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For the Florida crowd,, Be Prepared to leave,, possibly the state...
Most of the models show the storm turning right when it gets to the Keys,, So... Escape routs to the North will be backed up.. The Disney area is not safe.
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Cat 5 Irma now with 175mph winds.
Spaghetti Models from tropicaltidbits.com show the gradual shift to the west overnight.
It is important to also show the EURO and GFS ensembles from weathernerds.org. EURO has trended more to the west and the GFS more the east.
Still several members take Irma to possible east coast states so don't stop watching GA/SC/NC/VA.
It is coming down to an expected turn. When that happens is a big factor on who gets what. Hurricane Warnings are posted for VI/PR and the northern Lesser Antilles. Watches up for DR.
Keys and southern Florida should be getting a little anxious. Timing puts potential Irma there as soon as Saturday afternoon/night.
I will be going live at 9am eastern to talk more. Everything you need on Hurricane Irma on my site and APP: www.spaghettimodels.com
Mikes Weather Page APP,
Gods speed, Prayers out..
Prayers out to all in Florida and the surrounding areas!
I don't wish hurricanes on anyone in the US! I have learned to hate them!
Old Dog New Trick
09-05-2017, 11:41
Echo the thoughts and prayers out to everyone in the path of this.
Don't get lulled into thinking you'll be alright. Take whatever measures are necessary to protect life.
I think with the rapid succession of two major disasters and several States ablaze the President should have an action plan in place over the next 24-hours. And that should include the military. I'd love to see the largest and best prepared humanitarian assistance and security organization the world over used for something other than fighting other people's wars. I have no problem with my tax dollars being used by the single largest salt/freshwater navy and vertical lift air capacity to reach places impacted by these storms.
The storms have not gotten worse nor are they bigger than the past but more people than ever live in harms way from them. We should have a better plan in place because you can't change Mother Nature only what happens after she's done. You also are not going to change human nature, only pick up the pieces and maintain security until security is provided again.
I'd love to see the largest and best prepared humanitarian assistance and security organization the world over used for something other than fighting other people's wars. I have no problem with my tax dollars being used by the single largest salt/freshwater navy and vertical lift air capacity to reach places impacted by these storms.
The storms have not gotten worse nor are they bigger than the past but more people than ever live in harms way from them. We should have a better plan in place because you can't change Mother Nature only what happens after she's done. You also are not going to change human nature, only pick up the pieces and maintain security until security is provided again.
ODNT, sir, I agree. I'm a fire Captain and have my degree in Emergency Management, so know that there are legal limits on the use of US military, stateside; however, I would love to see the power of our military used to save our own people. FEMA and its resources are certainly stretched thin and local emergency resources will be overwhelmed, quickly. My department is 600 miles north of Houston and we have several assets helping with rescues and recovery there.
You are spot-on, too, that we have created much of our own misery. We live in places not suited to habitation (most often the poor, because it's cheaper or the rich, because they can). Some of the misery in Houston could have been prevented if government and insurance didn't under-write construction of homes in, otherwise, hazardous locations.
My prayers are with any and all of you that may be affected.
Any PS.COM members vicinity Gulf Breeze who would be available to help pack a Ryder truck Friday / Saturday for a few hours please PM me.
Don't know if the path will enter the Gulf, but having shoveled out of IVAN (the Terrible) and DENNIS (the Menace) I'd like to see if I can minimize effects of Irma if she shows up.
Take care of your family first, I'm just looking for single soldier assets or those safely north should the need arise.
Thanks.
rsdengler
09-06-2017, 04:39
My mom is in Bonita Springs Florida, and I have two sisters about an hour north. I need to contact the family and see if they are prepared. I know my mom, she is pretty stubborn so I hope she is ready to move just in case.
Take care all, thoughts and prayers
Mike's Weather Page, 41 minutes ago
NHC latest track shifts to the east some... as overnight EURO and GFS do the same. Still smack dab down the middle of FLA. Watching if continuing trend. FL to VA need to watch. Pressure down to 914mb with winds 185mph. Going live at 9am eastern with another post before then. www.spaghettimodels.com / Mikes Weather
Let there be no doubt, this storm is foretast at Cat 5.
The last Cat 5, to hit Florida, was Andrew.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hurricane+andrew+pictures&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjms8aptpDWAhWG1CYKHZnUDtQQsAQIOQ&biw=1367&bih=615
Andrew cut across South Florida, Miami to the West Coast.
If Irma drives North, the damage could be xx factor in scale..
You should be executing your egress plan now..
ref: Mike's Weather Page is about the best source. He combines the input from several sources into a composite. I have used the site for years.
http://spaghettimodels.com/
Also on FB
https://www.facebook.com/mikesweatherpage/
Might have some refugees from Key West coming up to stay with us a few days.
All depends on track and evacuation requirements.
Pete
Warn them that the LEO's shut down the bridges when the winds hit 45MPH, for fear the trucks will be flipped and block traffic..
Also they block all vehicles with trailers with boats and campers, for the same reason.
They've been down there over 30 years. We offered and they accepted - but they are keeping a close eye on things.
Wonder if CDS has a class running right now?
Never liked a place with a 90 mile driveway.
Irma has a little sister tagging along right behind her.
Here is an interesting graphic of winds vs temps: https://www.windy.com/?26.215,-70.884,5
Stay safe.
Key West military operations are closed and people are to be evacuated. Only 50 to 60 folks will remain behind to man essential functions.
http://ktla.com/2017/09/05/u-s-navy-to-evacuate-5000-as-military-preps-for-hurricane-irma/
Ret10Echo
09-06-2017, 18:03
Folks out there are getting pummeled. Hope they are hanging tough
Attached the order activating the Guard...as they prep....interesting tidbit on seizure of weapons and ammunition included.
R10
I sure hope u'll are prepared..
Prayers out..
This is interesting: List of Retired Atlantic Hurricane Names. (http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutnames_history.shtml) Scroll down a little and check out the years ending in "5" column, 19 retired names. The "5" and "4" column have, by far, the most retired names (meaning the most destructive). The Sun is on an 11-year cycle.
I lived in Beaumont, TX, for Audry just 2 days before my 7th birthday.
Pat
rsdengler
09-08-2017, 13:41
I have not been able to get in touch with my Mother for 2 days now. I heard from my sister that she is "staying put". Now I am worried, staying put is not too safe where she lives. I feel like driving my ass down there and picking her up. I hope that she is aware of the danger and takes shelter when she can. All I can do now is wait and see.
PedOncoDoc
09-08-2017, 16:46
I have not been able to get in touch with my Mother for 2 days now. I heard from my sister that she is "staying put". Now I am worried, staying put is not too safe where she lives. I feel like driving my ass down there and picking her up. I hope that she is aware of the danger and takes shelter when she can. All I can do now is wait and see.
Sometimes a good cocktail or 3 can help make the waiting less unpleasant. ;)
I have not been able to get in touch with my Mother for 2 days now.
Where is she?
and your sister?
rsdengler
09-08-2017, 17:16
Where is she?
and your sister?
My mom is in Bonita Springs, not too far from Naples. She just called me and said they are going to stay put, I hope she still has a home after this. She is being stubborn, sounds just like me. LOL My sister is now near Venice Beach, a place called "Rotunda" West.
Abu Jack
09-08-2017, 17:17
Ditto what JJ BPK asked....saw your answer.
Oldrotorhead
09-08-2017, 19:26
Here is something to help visualize the hurricane winds. You can make changes if to go to the box "Earth".
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/patterson=-84.81,26.35,3000/loc=-55.089,56.839
CloseDanger
09-09-2017, 00:35
Have not the time to list everything yet.
Three channels need Guidance and Leadership:
Zello channels Florida Rescue Florida
Florida Navy Hurricaine Navy
Florida Rescue 911
Cajun Navy
My interest is in people helping each-other un-impeaded by Internet trash and anti-whatevers.
My mom is in Bonita Springs, not too far from Naples. She just called me and said they are going to stay put, I hope she still has a home after this. She is being stubborn, sounds just like me. LOL My sister is now near Venice Beach, a place called "Rotunda" West.
That area is under mandatory evacuation..
:mad::mad::mad:
COLLIER COUNTY
All county residents living west and south of U.S. 41 have been placed under a mandatory evacuation effective immediately.
The City of Marco Island has issued a mandatory evacuation order effective immediately.
Mandatory evacuations will go into place at 1 p.m. on Friday for Goodland, Everglades City and Chokoloskee.
Residents of mobile homes throughout Collier County, especially those east of Collier Boulevard, are strongly advised to evacuate to a hardened structure or to an emergency shelter.
UPDATE (9/8)--Collier County has issued a new mandatory evacuation for areas west and south of U.S.-41.
http://www.fox4now.com/weather/hurricane/full-list-of-evacuations-in-southwest-florida-due-to-hurricane-irma
Prayers out..
That area is under mandatory evacuation..
:mad::mad::mad:
Prayers out..
My thoughts and Prayers are out as well!!!
(Rita, big huggs from me, hope your family stays safe.)
Holly
A little bit of info..
Irma is moving very slow,,
It is forecast to have a duel time in-excess of 24 hours.
Hurricane Andrew blow by in less than 6 hours......
Irma is something like xx times larger than Andrew..
It's not the damage, it's the lives..
:mad::mad::mad::mad:
rsdengler
09-09-2017, 05:44
That area is under mandatory evacuation..
:mad::mad::mad:
Prayers out..
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ_BPK View Post
That area is under mandatory evacuation..
My thoughts and Prayers are out as well!!!
(Rita, big huggs from me, hope your family stays safe.)
Holly
She is about 6 miles from the beach, I did tell her to make sure they head to a secure, concrete structure which offers better protection, and to bring necessities. They live in one of those manufactured home retirement communities. I am pretty sure those structures are not hurricane sound. My sister wanted them to come up to their place, and they refused. Makes me want to scream with frustration. :confused:
Thanks guys for the thoughts and prayers.
Prayers out for all in the area.
Rita, et all
A list of shelters..
https://www.irmashelters.org/
Golf1echo
09-09-2017, 09:31
When I think of the many hurricanes I have been through it's amazing how they all seemed to have distinct personalities...The location might surprise one as well (Up along the Eastern Continental Divide in WNC) we got them coming and going from any of 3 directions. Once again the predicted path of Irma is heading for that area.
The one hurricane that was like an artillery attack more than any other was Hurricane Opal, Ivan a close second. Usually a hurricane will loose it's energy when it is no longer over warm water but Hurricane Opal had much of it's energy high up in it's top so not only did it slam in to our 3500' elevation with most of it's force still intact we could smell the salt water...a few residents even claimed shells were deposited. It's hard for me to see how high the energy is in Irma but very clear there is a lot of it.I see that energy is usually stated in Millibars but usually illustrated in an overhead view vs a cross section. The wind direction and water bands play a big part in how much destruction that area will get so 50 miles one way or another can matter...Prayers for those in the path and organizing for a trip just in case.
MacDill AFB closed. High winds and located in a flood zone - sticking out into Tampa Bay - storm surge is going to be a bitch.
Riding this thing out is going to be an adventure.
ETA add link to SW FL webcams below (and many others which may be of some interest).
http://www.nbc-2.com/category/170898/webcams
Key West Live Cam,
Conch Train Station..
https://www.sassnet.com/forums/index.php?%2Ftopic%2F266103-key-west-live-cam%2F
Key West Live Cam,
Conch Train Station..
https://www.sassnet.com/forums/index.php?%2Ftopic%2F266103-key-west-live-cam%2F
Great camera...and it begins.
Key West Live Cam,
Conch Train Station..
https://www.sassnet.com/forums/index.php?%2Ftopic%2F266103-key-west-live-cam%2F
JJ years ago there used to be a power plant near the Big Fleet (country bar back in the day) and the Coast Guard Station.
Does Key West make it's own electricity or does it come from the mainland?
I assume most of the Key West cams will go dark when the power goes out.
My wife's friend, daughter and granddaughter made it up to Fayetteville and are staying with old friends - but the husband and SIL decided to stay and ride it out. At least the Hemingway Cats and their "servants" have got 18 inch limestone walls to hide behind.
Does Key West make it's own electricity or does it come from the mainland?
No, Starting after Georges, 98 the power grid was completely rebuild. The towers, cables, & insulators were all Super-Sized. It comes from the mainland.
When We left in 2012, they were still beefing up the grid in the "rural" areas. My old house was 3 miles from US 1... During Wilma, they had power to the island in 2 days, but we had to wait a week..
I assume most of the Key West cams will go dark when the power goes out.
Not necessarily. Again, After Georges, county & state code was changed and most business that serve the public most have gens sets that support the business at least a week?? (I think it's a week)
My wife's friend, daughter and granddaughter made it up to Fayetteville and are staying with old friends - but the husband and SIL decided to stay and ride it out. At least the Hemingway Cats and their "servants" have got 18 inch limestone walls to hide behind.
If the walls hold. This is more storm than the Keys have had for a very long time.. The house is on the South side, only a couple blocks from the Southern Moist (sic) Point.. As it stands,, the surge may make it into the yard//
PS: Just recived a note, a friends truck was crush in his yard in TAMPA.. This is going to be a doozy..
PS: Just recived a note, a friends truck was crush in his yard in TAMPA.. This is going to be a doozy..
That be me. I'll post a pic when I can. Hunkering down in Tampatown. :eek:
Old Dog New Trick
09-09-2017, 21:18
Y'all be careful and smart.
Joker, glad it was only an empty truck.
This storm is gonna leave a mark.
ETA: reiterate what I said earlier, on top of the nearly 10,000+ NG troops being activated to assist in the humanitarian response and security post storm. The President and Governors ought to be thinking of ways to bring in personal and equipment generic to the active duty side. The scale of coordination and air traffic control alone will quickly overwhelm local civilian capabilities.
If someone was in the drivers seat, they would be dead. It was parked in front of my house and I was going to move it to my parking pad after the rain stopped.
I drove it away.
Old Dog New Trick
09-09-2017, 21:57
If someone was in the drivers seat, they would be dead. It was parked in front of my house and I was going to move it to my parking pad after the rain stopped.
I drove it away.
Happy you weren't- in the drivers seat.
I see the latest has this monster moving even further west. Good for Florida bad for Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi and possibly Louisiana.
Less than six hours to make up its mind.
Happy you weren't- in the drivers seat.
I see the latest has this monster moving even further west. Good for Florida bad for Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi and possibly Louisiana.
Less than six hours to make up its mind.
Not really,, She will pick up more water and push more storm surge.
The Golf is shallow and WARM, out over 100 miles. (c chart) Irma may pickup strength, back to a 4 or 5..
At the current speed, Irma is going to rake Florida's West coast for at least 36 hrs..
REF: link: Gulf Map, with zoom.. (http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/3200/f3285/f3285z.htm)
Old Dog New Trick
09-09-2017, 22:49
Not really,, She will pick up more water and push more storm surge.
The Golf is shallow and WARM, out over 100 miles. (c chart) Irma may pickup strength, back to a 4 or 5..
At the current speed, Irma is going to rake Florida's West coast for at least 36 hrs..
REF: link: Gulf Map, with zoom.. (http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/3200/f3285/f3285z.htm)
Oh don't get me wrong this bitch is going to wreak havoc on Florida but I'm of the opinion that Florida is better prepared for hurricanes over other States in the gulf coast. My fear would be if she stays over that warm water and slams into Mississippi.
I drove it away.
Good job, but I'm not sure that you'll be able to buff that out. Maybe, though. ;)
Stay safe!
Pat
rsdengler
09-10-2017, 04:37
If someone was in the drivers seat, they would be dead. It was parked in front of my house and I was going to move it to my parking pad after the rain stopped.
I drove it away.
OMG....I am sorry about your truck, at least you were not in it or near it. Please be safe down there, it is bad enough I have to worry about my mom and sisters, now I have to worry about all you guys who are down there :o Please take care, and stay "hunkered down".......Rita
Looks like Irma has picked up a bit. She is currently running the outer reef, between Big Pine Key and Key West (30mile stretch). I lived in BPK for 16yrs.. Not able to make comms with the hold outs?? :mad::mad:
Interesting set of charts with the winds and storm surge estimates..
Prayers out..
Most of the Key West web cams went dark between 0200 and 0300.
Now showing no signal or showing looped pictures from yesterday. There's one of a fire station that keeps repeating a guy turning and resetting a camera.
Abu Jack
09-10-2017, 05:47
Hunkered Down in Valrico. About 20 Miles East of Tampa. 6 People, 8 Cats and 3 Dogs. Portable Generator with transfer switch to run electricity in the house. Water pump, Refrig,kitchen lights and outlets will be hot while the gen is running. 150 gallons of gas in cans and multiple vehicle. Enough food for a week. We'll see if it was enough.
Wasn't able to get ply wood. However was able to board up some with scrap plywood and metal roof leftovers.
Good Luck to all the others down here!
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/9028213
Napels Florida live stream just north of key west still works.
people still driving on the road.
link for live feeds if you want to follow the storm
https://www.earthcam.com/mapsearch/?id=a6f3c137777cb03338351d5b6ba6776a
she is right on top of key west spinning
https://miamidade.weatherstem.com/rsmas
PSA
If your interested. This link is the weather channel's live radar loop. Updates every 5 minutes. Put the zip code your interested in and watch.. Big Pine Key is zip 33043..
The eye of the storm is over BKP right now..
https://weather.com/weather/radar/interactive/l/33043:4:US?layer=radar&overlays=currtrafficspeed&animation=true&zoom=9
ref
Marco Island 34114
Naples 34104
Cape Coral 33914
Port Charlotte 33981
Saint Petersburg 33948
Crystal River 33705
Hunkered Down in Valrico. About 20 Miles East of Tampa. 6 People, 8 Cats and 3 Dogs. Portable Generator with transfer switch to run electricity in the house. Water pump, Refrig,kitchen lights and outlets will be hot while the gen is running. 150 gallons of gas in cans and multiple vehicle. Enough food for a week. We'll see if it was enough.
Wasn't able to get ply wood. However was able to board up some with scrap plywood and metal roof leftovers.
Good Luck to all the others down here!
Stay safe Brother......
miclo18d
09-10-2017, 11:39
Joker
Abu Jack
And I know a few others are probably in the AOR.
i will monitor this thread. If you need any help afterwards, just let me know and when I can I'll be there for ya'll.
I'm to the north in LOL.
rsdengler
09-10-2017, 11:58
You guys be careful I won't be able to get in touch with my mom for quite some time
Abu Jack
09-10-2017, 12:09
Joker
Abu Jack
And I know a few others are probably in the AOR.
i will monitor this thread. If you need any help afterwards, just let me know and when I can I'll be there for ya'll.
I'm to the north in LOL.
Same here thanks!
All OK at the friend's home in Key West. Had one window broken and power is out but cell phones are working.
Joker
Abu Jack
And I know a few others are probably in the AOR.
i will monitor this thread. If you need any help afterwards, just let me know and when I can I'll be there for ya'll.
I'm to the north in LOL.
Good copy. I'm in Brandon.
miclo18d
09-10-2017, 15:06
All OK at the friend's home in Key West. Had one window broken and power is out but cell phones are working.
That's great news!
I just read Made landfall as Cat 3 at St Marco Is, already downgraded to Cat 2. Predicted to be Cat 1 somewhere around Bradenton, south of the Bay.
We have some RV/Boating friends and acquaintances in the area. The friends are in Savanah and hunkered down but the acquaintances, new to boating, were in Marathon, FL. They secured their boat as best they could and retrieved their converted bus and hightailed it AL. They left their security cam on and turned on the marine radio and monitored it through the night. About 0400 they heard a stay-aboard call that another boat broke loose and rammed his and he was taking on water. The CG said that there was nothing they could do and advised that he get to shore. He said that he didn't have any PFDs and the CG suggested a cooler or fenders. That was the last that they heard from him.
Stay safe, all!
Pat
Abu Jack
09-10-2017, 23:03
We made it through. Two trees downed on our property. No damage to the house and the electricity is on. It was off for an hour or two then came back on.
miclo18d
09-10-2017, 23:11
We made it through. Two trees downed on our property. No damage to the house and the electricity is on. It was off for an hour or two then came back on.
Great news! I think we have about another 30 mikes to 1 hour to go! Still a lot of wind.
We have electricity and moderate wind, no Internet or cable.
rsdengler
09-11-2017, 04:45
It is nice to see that you guys (and your families) are alright, I guess I will try to contact my sister and mother to see if they came through it OK. Phew.....this weekend has been a dozy.....
miclo18d
09-11-2017, 05:23
No damage, but no electricity. Good to see everyone safe!
No damage, but no electricity. Good to see everyone safe!
That was what made me buy a 5 kw generator years back when a hurricane knocked out power for a couple of days in our Fayetteville neighborhood.
I swore then that I would always have the capability to run a window air unit, frig and entertainment center. I hate heat and humidity together and want a cool place to retreat to after cleaning up outside.
Of course - since I bought it we've never been without power for more than an hour. But it's there if needed.
All you without one watch the big box home stores starting in a days. People who bought one will be returning them and the stores will be selling them at a steep discount. But look it over real good and check the oil first.
No damage, but no electricity. Good to see everyone safe!
Great news......
Old Dog New Trick
09-11-2017, 05:57
Really glad everyone seems to have weathered the storm, at least I hope so. The clean up begins in the wake. Also happy to see this hurricane peter out once making landfall. I can't think of a better ending to this particular hurricane.
Couple videos from the Keys
Looks like chunks of US 1 were washed out in the Fiesta Key, MM 70, to Indian Key, MM 77, area.. Unconfirmed, but shows on video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KXEJbgEAs0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jesYSXBMZh0
Update: It now appears that another wash-out, between Big Pine Key and Bahia Honda State Park, at MM 33..
No damage, but no electricity. Good to see everyone safe!
I'd bring you some electricity in my truck but...
Abu Jack
09-11-2017, 06:52
No house damage. Electricity is on. Two trees damaged. Here is the big one. Just missed the house.
I'm glad that it missed your house !!
look on the bright side... that's one less tree to worry about in the future... and you didn't have to pay anyone to cut it down
that is way to close for comfort - again - glad it missed
PedOncoDoc
09-11-2017, 08:42
No house damage. Electricity is on. Two trees damaged. Here is the big one. Just missed the house.
Close call - glad you had no significant damage. Looks like you'll have plenty of firewood after getting that tree broken down and the wood seasoned.
From a KW source:
MILITARY STATUS UPDATE
US Coast Guard Sector Key West
We received word Captain Janszen who stayed behind in Key West.
Here is the summary:
1. The military folks who stayed in Key West during the hurricane are all ok.
2. Key West has no electricity, running water, cell phone service nor emergency services. They haven't accessed Trumbo, Truman Annex or Sigsbee housing areas yet, but hope to do soonest.
3. They went to the Naval Air Station at Boca Chica and the airfield only sustained minor damage. Good news for getting people and supplies to Key West.
4. They still expect more storm surge. Several boats that were on mooring balls and at piers are on land. "It's definitely not safe to return"!
5. Some essential military personnel will be returning soonest without families to help with the recovery efforts.
6. All military families must wait for permission before returning.
7. He could not confirm if any bridges were out, and is waiting for that report himself.
8. The Navy PAO is attempting to get a video up on the NAS Key West and CG Sector Facebook sites as soon as possible.
Will post more info when I get it. #HurricaneIrma
Ret10Echo
09-11-2017, 10:21
No house damage. Electricity is on. Two trees damaged. Here is the big one. Just missed the house.
Good to hear you dodged anything major... That tree is going to take some effort to get cleared though.
Abu Jack
09-11-2017, 10:41
We already had our tree people out here. They'll need a bob cat to support the trunk. 1800 to remove everything and I can keep what ever I want for firewood. I think it's a bargain.
miclo18d
09-11-2017, 10:54
I'd bring you some electricity in my truck but...
The fact that you can even joke about it is OMG!
No house damage. Electricity is on. Two trees damaged. Here is the big one. Just missed the house.
That was close! Is that a cypress?
Of all the things, that's what I was scared of happening. I have a pretty big oak close enough to do some damage if it were to go.
For Joker:
Abu Jack
09-11-2017, 11:26
Live Oak. It was rotten at the bottom. Couldn't tell from the outside though.
Badger52
09-11-2017, 13:08
Extremely glad those here seem to have fared relatively ok (less truck, oak tree repurposing, etc.).
A gen-set is a good thing. With the wife's needs now am looking hard at that as well, hurricane-country or not. (Blizzards & micro-bursts can take care of trees & power-lines too.)
rsdengler
09-11-2017, 13:30
I just heard from my sister, they drove down to Bonita Springs to check on my mom and said the place looked like a tornado went through their community. But they are fine, no electricity, no cell phone service, and not sure about their home right now. But they still won't leave and stay with my sister. My mother is acting like a child :o At least they are OK.
This is a long read but near the end they talk about Hwy 1 being blocked. Notice the POed folks statements about that's the last time they evacuate.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article172537476.html
miclo18d
09-11-2017, 14:40
This is a long read but near the end they talk about Hwy 1 being blocked. Notice the POed folks statements about that's the last time they evacuate.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/weather/hurricane/article172537476.html
I think South Florida took the brunt of the storm. It probably absorbed enough of the storm's energy to keep Tampa safer. We got pretty lucky with the storm bands too. Seems God's hand was over us.
On a good note. Our power was just restored!
Badger52
09-11-2017, 14:46
Just got word from the NG that our TF that does SAR (indiv first responder members from various counties) is on its way down there, along with a couple puppy handlers from the down the road by Volk ANGB. Imagine several other states have deployers to the area as well. Keep your wits about you & your feet under you.
I just heard from my sister, they drove down to Bonita Springs to check on my mom and said the place looked like a tornado went through their community. But they are fine, no electricity, no cell phone service, and not sure about their home right now. But they still won't leave and stay with my sister. My mother is acting like a child :o At least they are OK.
Glad everyone is alive!!! The video on the tv looks ominous...hope everyone is able to get back to normal soon.:(
Holly:o
Old Dog New Trick
09-11-2017, 19:12
Rita, good to hear your family is okay.
rsdengler
09-12-2017, 04:48
Rita, good to hear your family is okay.
Thank you :o, and I am glad everyone else made it thru the storm just fine. Except downed trees, a smashed truck, and in my mom's case, scattered porch awnings, carport pieces, siding, smashed in door, and trash all over..LOL...
It is great to know that there are still people out there that show so much support, and concern for others, even if they don't know them. This is how it should be....and I am glad to know that you guys/and gals on this site never waver, and have always shown great respect, and you really care, and it is genuine and thoughtful. You guys are just awesome.....:D
bblhead672
09-12-2017, 07:55
Glad to hear that the affected QP's and forum members and their families are all safe.
Old Dog New Trick
09-13-2017, 11:52
Although in the hours after the storm swept through and devastated St. Martin, survivors of the French and Dutch island began picking up anything they could find...it didn't matter if it belonged to them or anyone. This is just a survival instinct...I found it you lost it.
Then in the days following, the impoverished local residents began picking up more than just the scattered property of others...they began looting and robbing people at gun or knife point. Breaking into stores and retail shops taking higher end items. Items that may or may not ever be useful. (Who needs a 65" 4K SHHD TV when you have no electricity, cable service or TV providers?)
It takes a week...before lawlessness begins and a society breaks down to the lowest common denominator.
The governments of France and the Netherlands have deployed fewer than 2500 (2000 French - 200 Dutch) military personnel to restore order and perform humanitarian assistance. The population of St. Martin before Irma was ~77,741. That relates to approximately 1:38 ratio of protector to protected and if the military and local law enforcement have the duties and responsibilities to distribute food, water, and shelter, well, there isn't much left for providing security and law enforcement.
Anyone of us who have ever been tasked with restoring order and rule of law in an impoverished country know it takes an overwhelming presence or use of force to control the situation.
When the local residents run out of food...the temporary and upperclass residents and tourists who have not left will feel the impact and wrath of those who had little before the storm and have nothing after the storm.
If St. Martin and the Dutch and French governments are not careful and make mistakes and missteps the wealthy will leave for their safety and the locals will be thrown bones from a hapless humanitarian disaster assistance program that ultimately be ineffective and inept.
St. Martin the next Caribbean Haiti.
It takes a week...?
Looters don't ever seem to loot work boots...Red Wing shoe store is probably safe...
SO far it looks like all hands are accounted for. We still don't have comms with most, but those with cell are relaying msgs.
Just found out a friends home is lost. He evac'd to Ft L and stayed with family. Looks like a couple chunks of internal walls remain. The "open water" in the lower left used to be two(2) 60ft lots, now completely washed away..
:mad::mad::mad:
NOAA has started posting the sat photos of the Key's.. You need to zoom all the way in. Still waiting on the lower Key's where the eye crossed,, also where I lived for 16yrs.. I suspect they will load other areas as available..
http://storms.ngs.noaa.gov/storms/irma/index.html
Looters don't ever seem to loot work boots...Red Wing shoe store is probably safe...
They aren't looters....
they are simply rescuing valuable items from the flood waters
They aren't looters....
they are simply rescuing valuable items from the flood waters
This article suggests there's a whole lot of rescuing going on...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4882252/Cops-catch-Florida-looters-trying-steal-POWER-POLE.html
Scimitar
09-13-2017, 23:23
It takes a week...?
Truly interesting.
Thanks ODNT
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rsdengler
09-14-2017, 04:39
LOL...all I have to say is that at the next midnight street basketball game in your everyday druggy neighborhood, a lot of people will have nice, new, white Nike's on their feet.....:munchin
No, to be serious, that is just wrong. Those idiots have no care, or compassion for others in need; except their own. Yea, let's loot a Nike store so we look good in our freaking white sneakers .....Ass Wipes..Oh, and hey, let's steal a utility pole.....really? A freaking 30 foot metal pole on the top of your stupid redneck vehicle won't give you away? Moron Sucking Scumbags.....
miclo18d
09-14-2017, 05:01
This article suggests there's a whole lot of rescuing going on...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4882252/Cops-catch-Florida-looters-trying-steal-POWER-POLE.html
Meth is a truly tragic drug. Stealing a metal light or sign pole. What in the EFF are you going to do with that?
"I Think I'll build a porch! I never done that before, but I really think I can do it!"
Meth is a truly tragic drug. Stealing a metal light or sign pole. What in the EFF are you going to do with that?
"I Think I'll build a porch! I never done that before, but I really think I can do it!"
They were on their way to fabricate the World's largest crack pipe. :D
Meth is a truly tragic drug. Stealing a metal light or sign pole. What in the EFF are you going to do with that?
"I Think I'll build a porch! I never done that before, but I really think I can do it!"
One (if not both) of these yahoos has a history of selling scrap metal, the pole is aluminum - lots of beer cans...
miclo18d
09-14-2017, 17:27
One (if not both) of these yahoos has a history of selling scrap metal, the pole is aluminum - lots of beer cans...I've got a crapload of bad scuba tanks I'll give those 2 douchebags! It's not worth my time to cut scuba tanks to pieces to get the $10 in scrap for them?
But then......I'm not a meth addict! :D
Golf1echo
09-15-2017, 03:10
ODNT
Ah the cauldron off humanity...
You bring up several things to think about, in general I'm reminded of a term used in white water rafting or kayaking..." The Yard Sale" When your craft flips upside down or tacos and all your stuff goes floating by that is called a yard sale. It seems there are just a few components when it comes to stuff, acquiring it, maintaining it, and securing it.
Similar to "Locks being for honest people" It takes a few other components to living in a society where the folks around you respect and look out for their neighbors. My understanding is there are already a fair share of dynamics at play in some of the locals you refer to.
I used to get upset about stories of the same houses being replaced storm after storm but honestly in places like Florida and along the coast lines I see it more like everyone is just camping...some are camping harder than others.
It is an interesting idea to juxtapose a week of the hurricane scenario with the physical. mental, and emotional expenditures of the survivors aka how many meals/shelter/security separate one from devolution?
I've got a crapload of bad scuba tanks I'll give those 2 douchebags! It's not worth my time to cut scuba tanks to pieces to get the $10 in scrap for them?
But then......I'm not a meth addict! :D
When I work at the dive shop on BPK, we sold our tanks to an outfit in Miami for the going price of aluminum. I think it was around 35-40 USD a tank?? The Al used is very high quality..
miclo18d
09-16-2017, 05:38
When I work at the dive shop on BPK, we sold our tanks to an outfit in Miami for the going price of aluminum. I think it was around 35-40 USD a tank?? The Al used is very high quality..
There are a few people (long time customers) we give them to that make bells out of them.
Scrap companies require you cut it into pieces, which adds to the pain of scrapping them ourselves. Just added work to an already busy day.
Here are some examples of the bells and one of our instructors likes the steel tanks and is making BBQ grills with them.
Here are some examples of the bells and one of our instructors likes the steel tanks and is making BBQ grills with them.
Steel tanks make great door bells..
Or Bar Bells??
Or Bells for Bars??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz73Y6DqH6U
PSA:
I don't think using galvanized tanks for BBQ is healthy??
Be careful, torching galvanized steel can kill you with the fums...
https://www.hunker.com/12349925/the-dangers-of-cutting-galvanized-steel
:munchin
miclo18d
09-16-2017, 15:34
Steel tanks make great door bells..
Or Bar Bells??
Or Bells for Bars??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz73Y6DqH6U
PSA:
I don't think using galvanized tanks for BBQ is healthy??
Be careful, torching galvanized steel can kill you with the fums...
https://www.hunker.com/12349925/the-dangers-of-cutting-galvanized-steel
:munchin
WOW! Did not know that! I'll let him know!