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Chelsea Manning to Remain in Army, Receive Health Care Benefits
Chelsea Manning will remain on active duty following her release from military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas on May 17, the U.S. Army said Sunday.
Manning will be an unpaid soldier and will be eligible for health care and other benefits, USA Today reported. Army spokesman Dave Foster told the paper that she will remain a private in the Army.
"Pvt. Manning is statutorily entitled to medical care while on excess leave in an active duty status, pending final appellate review," Foster said.
Manning was granted clemency in the final days of the Obama administration. She thanked former President Obama last Tuesday in her first statement since being granted clemency.
"For the first time, I can see a future for myself as Chelsea," she said in the statement. "I can imagine surviving and living as the person who I am and can finally be in the outside world. Freedom used to be something that I dreamed of but never allowed myself to fully imagine."
Manning, a former intelligence analyst in Iraq, was convicted in 2013 of leaking more than 700,000 secret military and State Department documents and battlefield video to WikiLeaks. She served nearly seven years of her 35-year sentence at Fort Leavenworth. She was known as Bradley Manning before transitioning in prison.
Manning, a native of Crescent, Oklahoma, was convicted in a military court martial of 20 counts, including six Espionage Act violations, theft and computer fraud. Manning was acquitted of the most serious charge of aiding the enemy.
Manning acknowledged leaking the materials, saying she wanted to expose the U.S. military's disregard about the effects of war on civilians. She also said she released information that she didn't believe would harm the U.S.
Manning was arrested in 2010, and came out as transgender after being sentenced. She filed a transgender rights lawsuit and attempted suicide twice last year, according to her lawyers.
Her attorneys said Manning was subjected to violence in prison and argued the military mistreated her by requiring her to serve her sentence in an all-male prison, restricting her physical and mental health care, and not allowing her to wear a feminine-style haircut.
--The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/05/15/chelsea-manning-to-remain-in-army-receive-health-care-benefits.html
Team Sergeant
05-16-2017, 08:25
I would not sweat it, "it" will probably attempt to suck start a .38 in the near future.
Need help..
If berry commuted his sentence,, NOT pardoned..
Where is the fortitude of ALL pay and dishonorable discharge??
from wikipedia: Commutation
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The judge, Army Colonel Denise Lind, ruled in January 2013 that any sentence would be reduced by 112 days because of the treatment Manning received at Quantico.[191] On February 28, Manning pleaded guilty to 10 of the 22 charges.[30] Reading for over an hour from a 35-page statement, she said she had leaked the cables "to show the true cost of war". Prosecutors pursued a court-martial on the remaining charges.[192]
The trial began on June 3, 2013. Manning was convicted on July 30, on 17 of the 22 charges in their entirety, including five counts of espionage and theft, and an amended version of four other charges; she was acquitted of aiding the enemy. The sentencing phase began the next day.[1]
Manning's offenses carried a maximum sentence of 90 years.[196] The government asked for 60 years as a deterrent to others, while Manning's lawyer asked for no more than 25 years. She was sentenced on August 21 to 35 years in prison, reduction in rank to private (private E-1 or PVT), forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and a dishonorable discharge.[2] She was given credit for 1,293 days of pretrial confinement, including 112 days for her treatment at Quantico, and will be eligible for parole after serving one-third of the sentence.[2] There may also be additional credit for good behavior, which means she could be released after eight years.[196] She is confined at the United States Disciplinary Barracks (USDB) at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas.[34]
In January 2017, a Justice Department source said that Manning was on President Obama's short list for a possible commutation.[206] On January 17, 2017, President Obama commuted all but four months of Manning's remaining sentence; she is scheduled to be released on May 17, 2017.[35][6] In a press conference held on January 18, Obama stated that Manning's original 35-year prison sentence was "very disproportionate relative to what other leakers have received" and that "it makes sense to commute—and not pardon—her sentence."[6][7]
On January 26, 2017, in her first column for The Guardian since the commutation, Manning lamented that President Obama's political opponents consistently refused to compromise, resulting in "very few permanent accomplishments" during his time in office.[207] In response, President Donald Trump condemned Manning as an "ungrateful traitor" and said that she should "never have been released."[208]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning
WTH?:mad:
Holly
Cannot get this phone thing to edit. Sorry, and thank you B.O.��
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President has the power to commute or pardon anyone convicted of a FEDERAL law including treason
Okay, but do they also have the power to predict the outcome of the pardon?
OBAMA SUCKED as a President f the United Stats of America, so what power of recourse does anyone have? You know, for those that are chomping at the bit....
Holly:confused:
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Pardon and Commuted sentence are two diffrent things.
Pardon= fresh start no more conviction get all rights back
Commuted sentence is get out early card, conviction still stands. I am not an expert but I think he can predict outcome ie no more time, cut time in half, no more dishonorable discharge etc. You would have to ask a lawyer about that part of it. It could be that the way it was written was basically gets out now, conviction stands no more punishment and the judge ruled like this. It could be the judge just pissed all over current law and inject personal bias like they have been for some time now.
No matter what the POS should not get off so easy.
You and I can agree on that B.O.!!!:mad:
This guy should be pulling bed-pan duty at Walter Reed, with no breaks, no lunch, and no transport. Make him walk a damn mile that other more honable Soldiers can't.
I think this is all much ado over nothing. IIRC, his pay and allowances go into abeyance until the final review - nothing new here. If he's granted a new trial based upon fault or legal error, it starts all over again. Until the final review, he will be able to utilize military medical care for his hormones, etc (unless you are a straight, hetero-sexual male requiring hormones due to jump/range/training accident). I suspect that the review will occur fairly quickly and he'll collect his DD and be on his way to Ross for a kicky new outfit.
I've been out of Crim-Law for a bit and just getting back up to speed on the new stuff so maybe Two-Guns will chime in.
PedOncoDoc
05-16-2017, 13:34
I think this is all much ado over nothing. IIRC, his pay and allowances go into abeyance until the final review - nothing new here. If he's granted a new trial based upon fault or legal error, it starts all over again. Until the final review, he will be able to utilize military medical care for his hormones, etc (unless you are a straight, hetero-sexual male requiring hormones due to jump/range/training accident). I suspect that the review will occur fairly quickly and he'll collect his DD and be on his way to Ross for a kicky new outfit.
I've been out of Crim-Law for a bit and just getting back up to speed on the new stuff so maybe Two-Guns will chime in.
If he's granted a new trial, can they convict him all over again and undo the commutation, or would this be a "double jeapordy" situation? :confused:
bblhead672
05-16-2017, 15:00
Hell, give him a General Other than Honorable discharge with no VA benefits and let him walk. Like someone else said, chances are he'll off himself before long. (Unless he somehow crosses the Clinton gang and they'll kill him)
Justice...wherefore art thou?
Obama is like a fart in a spacesuit. It never goes away!
Maybe it could be sent to the front lines of Syria to play.
Badger52
05-17-2017, 11:20
"Pvt. Manning is statutorily entitled to medical care while on excess leave in an active duty status, pending final appellate review,"Can't sell it back so when all the accrued leave is burned then comes the Dishonorable & bye-bye benefits? Guess I don't get, even under these circumstances, how someone can accrue leave in a non-pay status.
Latest t-cell moved on so will fire up the mower; at least that will be cut & dried when finished.
bblhead672
09-14-2017, 14:15
Harvard makes convicted spy Chelsea Manning a 'fellow,' igniting firestorm (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/14/harvard-under-siege-for-making-convicted-spy-chelsea-manning-visiting-fellow.html)
Bradley gets a new career at Harvard speaking on "the social, technological and economic ramifications of Artificial Intelligence." Is he/she/it offended at being named a "fellow"?
Former CIA Acting Director Michael Morell on Thursday announced his resignation as a senior fellow at Harvard after the university named U.S. Army soldier-turned-convicted felon Chelsea Manning a visiting fellow. Senior leaders in our military have stated publicly that the leaks by Ms. Manning put the lives of U.S. soldiers at risk," Morell said. "I have an obligation in my conscience -- and I believe to the country -- to stand against any efforts to justify leaks of sensitive national security information."
Team Sergeant
09-14-2017, 14:20
Harvard has lost my respect long ago. Hiring the convicted felons to teach our nations children is beyond reprehensible. Totally disgusting if you ask me.
rsdengler
09-14-2017, 15:13
OK, what a BS Statement:
"She speaks on the social, technological and economic ramifications of Artificial Intelligence,” the Harvard announcement said. “As a trans woman, she advocates for queer and transgender rights as @xychelsea on Twitter.”
OMG...stop calling "It" a "She" He/She does not know, or could possibly feel like we do as real women; especially our freaking emotional hissy fits (like I have been having for a bloody year). The F'ing insanity of it....and FU Harvard for siding with a bloody traitor....:munchin
frostfire
09-14-2017, 16:41
Director Morell is a patriot with solid conviction. Salute!!!
I am hoping military leadership, and myself, will have the courage to follow suit when the circus arrives at our AO
The Ivory Towers of higher education are going to hell in a hand basket.
Harvard makes convicted spy Chelsea Manning a 'fellow,' igniting firestorm (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/14/harvard-under-siege-for-making-convicted-spy-chelsea-manning-visiting-fellow.html)
Bradley gets a new career at Harvard speaking on "the social, technological and economic ramifications of Artificial Intelligence." Is he/she/it offended at being named a "fellow"?
Further proof that crime does pay. "Artificial Intelligence " is there any other kind of intelligence at Harvard?
Badger52
09-14-2017, 19:26
The Ivory Towers of higher education are going to hell in a hand basket.The High Church of Akademia (franchises available) has actually been well on its way for quite some time, with isolated exceptions. All part of the plan. Folks, if you want kids/grand-kids to get a "Classic" liberal arts education* that produces a really productive person you have to think smaller size, smaller population in its location, bigger expectations that the student will really work their butt off, and bigger bak-sheesh from the wallet. But places like that are still around, you have to look a bit harder & forget the big names. And they're worth it.
* assuming that's actually needed. It's not for everyone, and the trades are clamoring for people to train.
And, oh yeah... fuck Harvard.
TOMAHAWK9521
09-14-2017, 20:40
"It" seriously needs to crawl back into the storm drain to resume "Its" life in the sewer where "it" used to be known for terrorizing children. Then again, maybe "it" should get a good taste of the curb, with some assistance of a size 11 or larger, while enroute to "its" lair and thus spare the rest of the country from "its" continued existence. :mad::mad:
The High Church of Akademia (franchises available) has actually been well on its way for quite some time, with isolated exceptions. All part of the plan. Folks, if you want kids/grand-kids to get a "Classic" liberal arts education* that produces a really productive person you have to think smaller size, smaller population in its location, bigger expectations that the student will really work their butt off, and bigger bak-sheesh from the wallet. But places like that are still around, you have to look a bit harder & forget the big names. And they're worth it.
* assuming that's actually needed. It's not for everyone, and the trades are clamoring for people to train.
And, oh yeah... fuck Harvard.
Small and PRIVATELY FUNDED is what I am thinking.
a cyber-traitor with gender dysphoria, speaking on the social, technological and economic ramifications of Artificial Intelligence
think about that for a second.................................
WarriorDiplomat
09-15-2017, 07:24
disregard duplicate post
WarriorDiplomat
09-15-2017, 07:30
a cyber-traitor with gender dysphoria, speaking on the social, technological and economic ramifications of Artificial Intelligence
think about that for a second.................................
You guys are focusing on the trans person .......freak...... the libtards are focusing the knowledge.....bullshit.....she.,...it....brings to higher learning.......liberal genius also known as mental retardation.......you see we need people to speak about injustices such as imprisoning of this innocent person.....thing......that merely blew the whistle.......committed treason....and in lib speak her......it's....fine work is an expose.....exposed classified secrets and insight.......ideally she......it.......should go live in a country like China,N.Korea or Iran and experience the freedom....oppression and horror.....of living in a country her....its.....whistle blowing helped....so that she.....can....appreciate the good living countries like these has to offer
bblhead672
09-15-2017, 07:45
Harvard Withdraws Fellowship Invitation To Chelsea Manning (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/15/551151607/harvard-withdraws-fellowship-invitation-to-chelsea-manning)
The Institute of Politics at Harvard Kennedy School announced Wednesday that Chelsea Manning would be one of its visiting fellows, but less than two days later, the school's dean withdrew the invitation.
Apparently there is some small shred of sanity and decency left at Harvard. Or else too many financial backers pledged to be former financial backers.
PedOncoDoc
09-15-2017, 07:56
Apparently there is some small shred of sanity and decency left at Harvard. Or else too many financial backers pledged to be former financial backers.
My guess was the latter. The only way to stop some of these morons is to cut off their access to everyone else's money.
All about the money or else Elmendorf wouldn't have felt the need to apologize to "her" - the retraction has nothing to do with sanity and decency
I actually have LESS respect for the University for buckling under.
...no decency in extending the invitation, no courage in standing up for the move, no sincerity in being apologetic
WarriorDiplomat
09-15-2017, 08:46
PI would not sweat it, "it" will probably attempt to suck start a .38 in the near future.
According to a psyche at the Mayo clinic who had been an advocate this is a mental disease that cannot be cured by surgery and trannies as a result have one of the highest suicide rates of all mentally ill categories even after reassignment......so yeah there's hope.....I think once it quits getting attention the Obama-nation will kill himself
Badger52
09-15-2017, 09:02
Small and PRIVATELY FUNDED is what I am thinking.Yessir; no strings going back to the puppeteer. I'm thinking along the lines of places like Hillsdale College in MI. (No connection; just happen to be familiar with that one as I know an Econ prof there.) Things you would see: Rational arguments as to why certain things in history still do/don't work on their merits & support of rightful liberty. Things you'll never see: Thugs in pussy hats allowed to disrupt free-speech or the faculty & admins held hostage over creation of "safe spaces." Spendy; they do have scholarships they'll award from a variety of similarly resolute benefactors & how the student pays for their education is up to them but the school itself doesn't really play that "give me my Gubmint money" thing.
rsdengler
09-15-2017, 11:03
LOL....At least we are all on the same page calling the He/She....IT! :D And can we add "mentally challenged" as well......
Team Sergeant
09-15-2017, 13:49
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According to a psyche at the Mayo clinic who had been an advocate this is a mental disease that cannot be cured by surgery and trannies as a result have one of the highest suicide rates of all mentally ill categories even after reassignment......so yeah there's hope.....I think once it quits getting attention the Obama-nation will kill himself
What males that like to dress up as females? A mental issue.......... :rolleyes:
And we still trust some of our most classified information to males that like to dress and act as women.......... very disturbing.
Next we will be bowing to the Furries........... http://www.whatisfurry.org/
Pedophiles will soon be speaking at our nations colleges and universities, oh, wait, they already are..........
Harvard Withdraws Fellowship Invitation To Chelsea Manning (http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/15/551151607/harvard-withdraws-fellowship-invitation-to-chelsea-manning)
Apparently there is some small shred of sanity and decency left at Harvard. Or else too many financial backers pledged to be former financial backers.
I've explored a number of research fellows programs at leading universities and took a course at the JFK school. Research fellows programs are highly selective.
The decision to accept Manning was nothing short of an academic, ethical, intellectual, and moral failure.
When you look at this clinically and remove the transgender equation and remove the espionage/sedition/treason equation, you are left looking at a person who failed at everything they ever did, including failing to pass a single first semester course at community college.
An observer is left with the conclusion that Manning was accepted solely for being a transgender traitor/spy due to there being zero credible support for Manning to be accepted.
And if a university accepts a person into a prestigious research fellows program based entirely on being a transgender spy, it completely destroys the credibility of the university, and even worse, the work of every research fellow who has actually created genuine value.
Team Sergeant
09-15-2017, 15:37
I've explored a number of research fellows programs at leading universities and took a course at the JFK school. Research fellows programs are highly selective.
The decision to accept Manning was nothing short of an academic, ethical, intellectual, and moral failure.
When you look at this clinically and remove the transgender equation and remove the espionage/sedition/treason equation, you are left looking at a person who failed at everything they ever did, including failing to pass a single first semester course at community college.
An observer is left with the conclusion that Manning was accepted solely for being a transgender traitor/spy due to there being zero credible support for Manning to be accepted.
And if a university accepts a person into a prestigious research fellows program based entirely on being a transgender spy, it completely destroys the credibility of the university, and even worse, the work of every research fellow who has actually created genuine value.
Had to reread that, thought you were talking about barry soetoro.......... :munchin
When you look at this clinically and remove the transgender equation and remove the espionage/sedition/treason equation, you are left looking at a person who failed at everything they ever did, including failing to pass a single first semester course at community college.
So he failed at everything then the Army took him, I sure hope those standards have been raised.
What males that like to dress up as females? A mental issue.......... :rolleyes:
And we still trust some of our most classified information to males that like to dress and act as women.......... very disturbing.
Next we will be bowing to the Furries........... http://www.whatisfurry.org/
Pedophiles will soon be speaking at our nations colleges and universities, oh, wait, they already are..........
Pedophiles will become a new class and pedophilia will become normalized and legal.........NMAP said it would happen years ago.
Had to reread that, thought you were talking about barry soetoro.......... :munchin
Hahaha.
I would place the Manning debacle by Harvard in a similar category to that of the Weather Underground terrorists who were hired to teach at Columbia U and U of Chicago.
At least Manning got sacked before starting.
Serious criminal offenses and/or a total lack of minimum necessary educational/life experience SHOULD be easy filters to prevent rubbish from making it in.
Weather Underground were educated terrorists.
Manning is a dangerously naive, uneducated, simpleton, traitor/spy.
Personally, I don't see how its possible to legally mitigate the left's defensible position in much of academia.
It seems to me looking from the outside in that elements right of center have defensible positions over slices of Wall Street & defence while elements of the left have defensible positions over slices of academia and media and making considerable inroads in tech.
It's like a domestic cold war.
So he failed at everything then the Army took him, I sure hope those standards have been raised.
There have been a few credible-ish posts on the net about Manning's less than stellar career in the Army from Basic.
"Failing fast" and learning from it is an important characteristic of a high performing culture.
But NOT when it comes to recruiting. You just can't afford to fail in recruiting.
Pedophiles will become a new class and pedophilia will become normalized and legal.........NMAP said it would happen years ago.
In a better world that should create another new protected class...parents protected from prosecution after going medieval on a predator preying on children.
There have been a few credible-ish posts on the net about Manning's less than stellar career in the Army from Basic.
"Failing fast" and learning from it is an important characteristic of a high performing culture.
But NOT when it comes to recruiting. You just can't afford to fail in recruiting.
I worked at a recruiting station for 3 months in New Jersey, one of the first things I was told was that it was not my job to determine anyone's fitness to serve. A vegan was recruited who was concerned with the food that would be served in basic. Three weeks after reporting to BCT he was phoning his recruiter he wanted to come home.
read through everything again...
Harvard has not changed anything of substance; manNing is still being invited to speak.
Elmendorf clearly stated that the invitation to speak at the school stood. All the school did was back-pedal on calling it a fellowship and if one was to pay attention to the way the apology was delivered, it would seem as if there was no apology for the action. The apology was primarily offered to "it"
Just another example of the slimy members of academia trying to talk their way out of a tight spot.
Fuck haRvard.
When her son was released from prison, Mrs. Manning ran to him and said, "Bradley, dear, is that really you?"
I worked at a recruiting station for 3 months in New Jersey, one of the first things I was told was that it was not my job to determine anyone's fitness to serve. A vegan was recruited who was concerned with the food that would be served in basic. Three weeks after reporting to BCT he was phoning his recruiter he wanted to come home.
That sucks.
I'm currently dealing with one that lacks the necessary resilience required to be an effective infantry soldier.
The soldier was feeling too unwell to shoot on the range.
I'm sorry, but every self respecting infantry soldier I know would rather be feeling sick shooting live rounds on the range than feeling sick in bed.
Team Sergeant
09-16-2017, 07:28
That sucks.
I'm currently dealing with one that lacks the necessary resilience required to be an effective infantry soldier.
The soldier was feeling too unwell to shoot on the range.
I'm sorry, but every self respecting infantry soldier I know would rather be feeling sick shooting live rounds on the range than feeling sick in bed.
Sounds like the "International Snowflake Union"........... :rolleyes:
Sounds like the "International Snowflake Union"........... :rolleyes:
Well we do have a few, a brave new Millenial World and such.
But we have far more youngsters who grew up working hard on the farm, spending their free time climbing through our mountains and bush hunting for game, comfortable in our outdoors.
turboprop
09-16-2017, 18:56
Well we do have a few, a brave new Millenial World and such.
But we have far more youngsters who grew up working hard on the farm, spending their free time climbing through our mountains and bush hunting for game, comfortable in our outdoors.
Our millennials grew up in the GWOT.