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60+ Tomahawks.
IMHO, not really all about Syria.
1. Message to Russia that we don't need their permission
2. Stage setter for tomorrow's discussion with the Chinese re: DPRK.
3. Message to the wored that we don't f**k around
Main audience is the Chinese re: DPRK
60+ Tomahawks.
IMHO, not really all about Syria.
1. Message to Russia that we don't need their permission
2. Stage setter for tomorrow's discussion with the Chinese re: DPRK.
3. Message to the wored that we don't f**k around
Main audience is the Chinese re: DPRK
I think that this was a mult-tiered response, agreed. Apparently the missiles were in flight while President Trump was at dinner with the Chinese president. Lots of messaging with this one. We'll see what comes next and if Assad wants to double down.
I think that this was a mult-tiered response, agreed. Apparently the missiles were in flight while President Trump was at dinner with the Chinese president. Lots of messaging with this one. We'll see what comes next and if Assad wants to double down.
Another message...for domestic consumption: This Administration is not a lacky for Putin.
This IMHO, is no shit big-boy Grand Strategy in action.
But on a more somber note...Trump the nu SF I Ness man is now in full understanding of his role as POTUS. He has the power of life or deathave over people. Tonight he goes to bed a killer, although someone else aimed the weapons. How does this affect him?
Would love to see the radar tracks as 60 1000 pounds of explosives rained down on one airfield. :lifter
Monsoon65
04-06-2017, 21:19
Would love to see the radar tracks as 60 1000 pounds of explosives rained down on one airfield. :lifter
I agree. I can only imagine some Syrian radar operator on that base, watching 60 Tomahawks come blazing his way.
I agree. I can only imagine some Syrian radar operator on that base, watching 60 Tomahawks come blazing his way.
And Russian.
Mustang Man
04-06-2017, 22:34
Tonight he goes to bed a killer, although someone else aimed the weapons. How does this affect him?
It makes him look like a hypocrite sell out... Throughout his entire campaign his stance was to leave Syria alone, America first, and no more bs regime change.
I can't get behind this becuase the "moderates" we're backing are absolute monsters. Also, it's already been confirmed the 2013 gas attack was launched by Turkey & Al-Qaeda and NOT Assad. The link below at 4:04 has VA Senator Richard Black's detailed explanation on the 2013 gas attack.
https://youtu.be/0FNtEWfay_8
The White Helmets were the first on the scene to report this week's "gas attack." Interesting enough they were immediately on the scene with cameras ready and minimal protective gear. These guys are not to be trusted, are Al-Qeada/ISIS supporters, and propaganda outlets.
White Helmets Al-Qaeda with a Facelift
https://youtu.be/8aAaReVn2I4
White Helmets Side by Side with Al-Qaeda
https://youtu.be/Es7oBV6b43Y
Why would Assad gas some random village with no strategic value while winning the war, knowing the risk of international involvement? If he were to use them, it would be at a strategic battle as a desperate measure.
These "gas attacks" have been false flag attacks to dupe us into removing Assad. If the secular pro-western Assad falls, we will have another Al-Qaeda/radical Islamist controlled state prompted up in the Middle East. How does removing Assad benefit the United States?
Apologies, I don't mean to rant but I've always known and had a history with Syrians and want to see them with a free prosperous country.
Hopefully nothing escalates past these missiles. What they accomplished was give Al-Nursah (Al-Qaeda) an opening for an offensive.
Best thing that can be said about Syria is it is a Hot Mess.
2018commo
04-07-2017, 04:51
Best thing that can be said about Syria is it is a Hot Mess.
and headed toward becoming a dumpster fire.
It makes him look like a hypocrite sell out... Throughout his entire campaign his stance was to leave Syria alone, America first, and no more bs regime change.
I can't get behind this becuase the "moderates" we're backing are absolute monsters. Also, it's already been confirmed the 2013 gas attack was launched by Turkey & Al-Qaeda and NOT Assad. The link below at 4:04 has VA Senator Richard Black's detailed explanation on the 2013 gas attack.
https://youtu.be/0FNtEWfay_8
The White Helmets were the first on the scene to report this week's "gas attack." Interesting enough they were immediately on the scene with cameras ready and minimal protective gear. These guys are not to be trusted, are Al-Qeada/ISIS supporters, and propaganda outlets.
White Helmets Al-Qaeda with a Facelift
https://youtu.be/8aAaReVn2I4
White Helmets Side by Side with Al-Qaeda
https://youtu.be/Es7oBV6b43Y
Why would Assad gas some random village with no strategic value while winning the war, knowing the risk of international involvement? If he were to use them, it would be at a strategic battle as a desperate measure.
These "gas attacks" have been false flag attacks to dupe us into removing Assad. If the secular pro-western Assad falls, we will have another Al-Qaeda/radical Islamist controlled state prompted up in the Middle East. How does removing Assad benefit the United States?
Apologies, I don't mean to rant but I've always known and had a history with Syrians and want to see them with a free prosperous country.
Hopefully nothing escalates past these missiles. What they accomplished was give Al-Nursah (Al-Qaeda) an opening for an offensive.
Agree or disagree with the limited strike, but this is in no way regime change, and not a precursor to a large invasion, endless occupation and impossible nationwide rebuilding project.
I believe this to be a master stroke by Trump. Sends messages to all who need to hear them. Most importantly the Chinese whom he is talking with right now and North Korea. THAT is the real ROI of those 60 tomahawks.
I believe this to be a master stroke by Trump. Sends messages to all who need to hear them. Most importantly the Chinese whom he is talking with right now and North Korea. THAT is the real ROI of those 60 tomahawks.
I would love to see the live satellite images of the impacts. 60t'y dropped in 30 seconds,, OR 30 - wait 20min, then 30 more?? :munchin
Golf1echo
04-07-2017, 07:23
Using chemical weapons got a little less casual, something that has been important to us up until the last administration. I wonder if the liberal left will be able to process this?
Will others...
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SouthernDZ
04-07-2017, 07:36
60+ Tomahawks.
IMHO, not really all about Syria.
1. Message to Russia that we don't need their permission
2. Stage setter for tomorrow's discussion with the Chinese re: DPRK.
3. Message to the wored that we don't f**k around
Main audience is the Chinese re: DPRK
Not to mention a little fat guy in North Korea....
I've been reading this from both sides. The left says "of course! Same ol same ol", libertarians - "we have no business meddling in other countries business", the right - "false flag, this sarin attack is staged".
While I have nothing to contribute, I do echo Mustang Man's trepidation and I do have some doubt that the attacks happened, and I also wonder if Assad pulled the trigger, as it were.
I would love to see the live satellite images of the impacts. 60t'y dropped in 30 seconds,, OR 30 - wait 20min, then 30 more?? :munchin
News reports that it took 30min to launch them all from two ships.. missiles loitered so that all achieved a near simultaneous TOT. 1 failed to reach target.
Nothing on the news but, because it is not, we can assume that theRussian AS400did not fire to shoot down any missiles.
RomanCandle
04-07-2017, 09:10
It makes him look like a hypocrite sell out... Throughout his entire campaign his stance was to leave Syria alone, America first, and no more bs regime change.
I can't get behind this becuase the "moderates" we're backing are absolute monsters. Also, it's already been confirmed the 2013 gas attack was launched by Turkey & Al-Qaeda and NOT Assad. The link below at 4:04 has VA Senator Richard Black's detailed explanation on the 2013 gas attack.
https://youtu.be/0FNtEWfay_8
The White Helmets were the first on the scene to report this week's "gas attack." Interesting enough they were immediately on the scene with cameras ready and minimal protective gear. These guys are not to be trusted, are Al-Qeada/ISIS supporters, and propaganda outlets.
White Helmets Al-Qaeda with a Facelift
https://youtu.be/8aAaReVn2I4
White Helmets Side by Side with Al-Qaeda
https://youtu.be/Es7oBV6b43Y
Why would Assad gas some random village with no strategic value while winning the war, knowing the risk of international involvement? If he were to use them, it would be at a strategic battle as a desperate measure.
These "gas attacks" have been false flag attacks to dupe us into removing Assad. If the secular pro-western Assad falls, we will have another Al-Qaeda/radical Islamist controlled state prompted up in the Middle East. How does removing Assad benefit the United States?
Apologies, I don't mean to rant but I've always known and had a history with Syrians and want to see them with a free prosperous country.
Hopefully nothing escalates past these missiles. What they accomplished was give Al-Nursah (Al-Qaeda) an opening for an offensive.
I concure. If Trump wants to send a message he'd do well to send it directly and not via a strike on a country he is not at war with nor one that has attacked his country.
Who is going to take a missile for the over 500 civilians massacred last month in Mosul?
It makes him look like a tool and either too stupid to tell the difference between propaganda or too happy to use fake news for an agenda.
Hillary at least is smiling for the first time in months.
bushmaster11
04-07-2017, 12:10
Why is Trump getting credit for an attack that was denied Obama? Obama was chastised when he faced to same situation. By congress and even Trump, so he did not pull the trigger. Is this going to be a war president? I am not bleeding heart leftist, but I do look for fairness.
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Quartz_MJC
04-07-2017, 13:02
The air strike has less to do with Syria and more to do with sending a message to N Korea, Russia, et al -that there is a foreign policy paradigm shift. The gas attack, which I believe was not ordered by the Assad regime but by other bogger eaters in Syria , provided the perfect excuse to let the "others" know a new Sheriff is in town. POTUS needs to manage the conversation on this and not be drawn into the next thing in Syria (i.e regime change and escalation of combat troops. POTUS should sit back and let NKorea, Russia, et al soak up what this means. In Syria , let Russia handle that hot mess and we will see how long until they get burned- oh like in St. Petersburg. Speaking of which waiting for Russia's big response against ISIS and friends.
Lblanch40
04-07-2017, 14:09
Just read that the Syrian airforce used this air strip to launch a new attack on rebels. Someone that is more learned than me, help me understand how 60 Tomahawks didn't completely obliterate this air field. Some talking head on the news this morning said these cruise missiles didn't cause craters. Thought that was the whole purpose.
..... Someone that is more learned than me, help me understand how 60 Tomahawks didn't completely obliterate this air field. Some talking head on the news this morning said these cruise missiles didn't cause craters......
You never hung around the Engineers on your team and talk about demolitions - like blowing up a bridge abutment?
Airfields are very large and the runways are thick concrete. Want to go after the runway and you'd want a high angle weapon that could get some penetration.
Runways can be patched pretty quick. Equipment, buildings and planes take longer to replace.
Golf1echo
04-07-2017, 18:51
News reports that it took 30min to launch them all from two ships.. missiles loitered so that all achieved a near simultaneous TOT. 1 failed to reach target.
Nothing on the news but, because it is not, we can assume that theRussian AS400did not fire to shoot down any missiles.
I read your post earlier but spent some time thinking about it this afternoon. So a call or two comes in about the time a faint buzz is heard, there are some murmurs about bogies, the sky fills up, it gets louder and they all pounce at once... That would make one think about a thing or two.
Some BDA.
Russians said only 23 hit their targets. I suspect those were actually the unidentified radar contacts that intruded into their SA-6 controlled airspace before the radar went out for unknown reasons.
New satellite imagery released by ImageSat International shows the damage 59 US Tomahawk missiles inflicted at Syria’s Shayrat airfield.
The United States says Assad forces used the airfield to conduct Tuesday’s chemical weapons attack on rebel-held Khan Sheikhoun, leaving at least 86 townspeople dead.
“Initial indications are that this strike has severely damaged or destroyed Syrian aircraft and support infrastructure and equipment,” said Pentagon spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis. “[They] targeted aircraft, hardened aircraft shelters, petroleum and logistical storage, ammunition supply bunkers, air defense systems, and radars.”
Satellite imagery provided by ImageSat International reveals the extent of that damage, in comparison to previous records. It was not clear Friday how soon after the strikes the images were recorded.
(more)
http://wtkr.com/2017/04/07/satellite-images-show-before-after-us-strikes-on-syrian-base/
The Reaper
04-07-2017, 21:14
You never hung around the Engineers on your team and talk about demolitions - like blowing up a bridge abutment?
Airfields are very large and the runways are thick concrete. Want to go after the runway and you'd want a high angle weapon that could get some penetration.
Runways can be patched pretty quick. Equipment, buildings and planes take longer to replace.
Precisely. A massively cratered runway is a day or two repair, given engineers and equipment. And no cluster bombs.
The Russians can transfer as many planes to Syria as they want to in fairly short order.
The Russians have even been known to lend their own pilots to the right clients.
TR
Precisely. A massively cratered runway is a day or two repair, given engineers and equipment. And no cluster bombs.
The Russians can transfer as many planes to Syria as they want to in fairly short order.
The Russians have even been known to lend their own pilots to the right clients.
TR
Precisely indeed, GO TRUMP GO! :lifter
Holly
How odd, Assad always portrayed as the evil monster. One of the few ME countries that got along and protected Christians. As I recall, Quaddafi was portrayed the same. Libya was stable, common folks doing OK. Evil, evil, evil, they said, and took him out. Now chaos, and a bad-rag haven. For answers, look at the nation states who's who of Sunni and Shiite...
frostfire
04-13-2017, 08:53
It makes him look like a hypocrite sell out... Throughout his entire campaign his stance was to leave Syria alone, America first, and no more bs regime change.
I can't get behind this becuase the "moderates" we're backing are absolute monsters. Also, it's already been confirmed the 2013 gas attack was launched by Turkey & Al-Qaeda and NOT Assad. The link below at 4:04 has VA Senator Richard Black's detailed explanation on the 2013 gas attack.
https://youtu.be/0FNtEWfay_8
The White Helmets were the first on the scene to report this week's "gas attack." Interesting enough they were immediately on the scene with cameras ready and minimal protective gear. These guys are not to be trusted, are Al-Qeada/ISIS supporters, and propaganda outlets.
White Helmets Al-Qaeda with a Facelift
https://youtu.be/8aAaReVn2I4
White Helmets Side by Side with Al-Qaeda
https://youtu.be/Es7oBV6b43Y
Why would Assad gas some random village with no strategic value while winning the war, knowing the risk of international involvement? If he were to use them, it would be at a strategic battle as a desperate measure.
These "gas attacks" have been false flag attacks to dupe us into removing Assad. If the secular pro-western Assad falls, we will have another Al-Qaeda/radical Islamist controlled state prompted up in the Middle East. How does removing Assad benefit the United States?
Apologies, I don't mean to rant but I've always known and had a history with Syrians and want to see them with a free prosperous country.
Hopefully nothing escalates past these missiles. What they accomplished was give Al-Nursah (Al-Qaeda) an opening for an offensive.
Here we go....
Syria chemical attack 'fabricated' - Assad
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39588876