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Divemaster
11-20-2016, 14:03
She just wants to be one of the boys. Two quick questions:

1. Does this mean male PT standards?
2. Do y'all think Trump and his new SECDEF will put an end to this?

A transgender Marine comes out, tests military's new policy
By Emanuella Grinberg, CNN
Updated 2104 GMT (0504 HKT) November 19, 2016

(CNN)Lance Cpl. Aaron Wixson is looking forward to the day he can attend the annual Marine Corps Ball in the outfit he feels most comfortable in.

Last Friday, he wore female Dress Blues to the gala at Pechanga Resort and Casino in Temecula, California. But next year, Wixson hopes to trade in the female uniform for the iconic Dress Blues worn by men -- the gender he identifies with even though it's not the one on his birth certificate.
"I will feel that I am finally seen as who I really am," Wixson told CNN, going public for the first time with his gender transition, which is ongoing. "I will be 100 times more comfortable, physically and mentally -- which will allow me to really enjoy the ball."
He's getting closer to his goal thanks to the new military policy that allows transgender people to serve openly. The 20-year-old field artillery radar operator is one of the first transgender Marines to be formally recognized by his command as a man.

The rest of the article here: http://cnn.it/2g81kgC

cbtengr
11-20-2016, 15:25
I hope and pray that this asinine policy that allows this to happen can be reversed. it's time for common sense to come back in regards to our military. DRAIN the SWAMP President Trump!

The Reaper
11-20-2016, 15:29
. But next year, Wixson hopes to trade in the female uniform for the iconic Dress Blues worn by men -- the gender he identifies with even though it's not the one on his birth certificate.
"I will feel that I am finally seen as who I really am," Wixson told CNN, going public for the first time with his gender transition, which is ongoing. "I will be 100 times more comfortable, physically and mentally -- which will allow me to really enjoy the ball."

They all seem to say that and then, once they have changed, find that it is not really what they want either.

I think there is a reason that their suicide rates are so high.

TR

Box
11-20-2016, 16:28
i wish HER the very best. i hope SHE eventually finds happiness within the skin that SHE was born with. i hope HER parents are proud of their DAUGHTER

Kat
11-20-2016, 17:05
They all seem to say that and then, once they have changed, find that it is not really what they want either.

I think there is a reason that their suicide rates are so high.

TR

The rates are higher for those who have undergone the transition than those who remain "intact" so to say. The fact remains you are never changing your gender, your DNA and other markers remain male/female. Argue as they may that they "feel" better the suicide rates beg to differ.

I do wonder how they can justify it as far as standards for MTF, they will always be stronger even after hormonal replacement. Interested in the time/resources that will be wasted on this farce.

CloseDanger
11-20-2016, 17:42
None of this has any business detracting from the mission. People in these battles are focused on themselves, so much so that you already know without batting an eye that you don't want that in your foxhole or holding up your training schedule for whatever it is they need.

Whats more, is they end up being shuffled into leg army, taking college, and then managing your branch positions from some LEG garrison job because instead of going to war, they went to the brownnose side on the already fatted shelf of dumbf****s that believe the Military to be some kind of petri dish where they may dump their bacteria anywhere they want with no consequence.

I have empathy, but there are some jobs you should just not take if you have a battle inside as rife within the 1/4 of your life that is your identity. It is a personality disorder and not only are you confused, but your teammates will be doubly so.

It assisinates authority and good order and it will never work even if your hearts wish it to be so.

If we do not get sanity back into the Pentagon....

I see dead people.
I see them everywhere.


Send in Mattis.
Go hard or go home.

sinjefe
11-20-2016, 21:03
CNN referring to a biological female as a he. Bizarro world. :rolleyes:

PedOncoDoc
11-21-2016, 02:46
CNN referring to a biological female as a he. Bizarro world. :rolleyes:

Yes these are the same people that scream up and down that the science is settled on man-made climate change. Genetics is a hard and reproducible science - these people seem all too happy to deny it.

Peregrino
11-21-2016, 03:27
CNN referring to a biological female as a he. Bizarro world. :rolleyes:

No; just the truth as progressives see it. If given the opportunity to repeat it often enough, (almost) everyone else will see it their way too.

cbtengr
11-21-2016, 05:35
No; just the truth as progressives see it. If given the opportunity to repeat it often enough, (almost) everyone else will see it their way too.

Regarding that third image "No to War" have we been at peace for the last 8 years and I did not know about it? Following the election all these idiots on th left were claiming Trump would get us involved in a war. I have been reminding these morons about the lives lost and the sacrifices still being made by our military, these people are clueless. We are not at peace and have not been at peace for a long time. We are a nation of Effin Idiots.

Old Dog New Trick
11-21-2016, 05:53
I'm just glad the Army doesn't have Balls.

And, if they did, it wouldn't be the most important reason to exist.

sfshooter
11-21-2016, 13:17
They all seem to say that and then, once they have changed, find that it is not really what they want either.

I think there is a reason that their suicide rates are so high.

TR


Ask any psychologist and they will tell you this is a mental illness...hence the suicide rates. This is something that should be screened for at MEPS.....psychological problems should be a flag for someone considering entering the military!
There are obviously those (mental disorders) that slip through but a lot of them are discovered in basic training and are discharged from service.

Stop the social engineering in the military Trump!:mad:

ddoering
11-22-2016, 06:50
i wish HER the very best. i hope SHE eventually finds happiness within the skin that SHE was born with. i hope HER parents are proud of their DAUGHTER

Such hate speech.

bailaviborita
12-02-2016, 11:55
Vignettes for upcoming training:

Vignettes:

Lieutenant Marty changed his gender marker in the Service personnel data system from female to male after completing an approved transition plan. Lieutenant Marty has not had sex reassignment surgery as part of the transition plan and is working with his MMP on a plan to start a family. Lieutenant
Marty approached his commanding officer a few weeks ago and mentioned
he was pregnant.

It is the semi-annual swim test and a female to male transgender Service member who has fully transitioned, but did not undergo surgical change, would like to wear a male swimsuit for the test with no shirt or other top coverage.

Following her transition (which did not include any sex reassignment surgery) and gender marker change in the Service personnel data system from male to female, Petty Officer Kelleher was assigned to a Coast Guard cutter and provided quarters in female berthing. Shortly after her arrival aboard the cutter, several females in Petty Officer Kelleher's berthing area complained to the Command Senior Chief about being uncomfortable around Petty Officer Kelleher as she still has male genitalia. The Command Senior Chief approached the commanding officer with these complaints hoping to achieve some sort
of resolution.
- An initial approach to the complaints may entail meeting with the Command Senior Chief as well as the complaining members of the berthing area to determine the exact nature of their complaints. You should inform them that Petty Officer Kelleher's assignment to female berthing is required regardless of her physical appearance and that their lack of comfort is not reason to prevent Petty Officer Kelleher from residing in female berthing or make her subject to treatment different from others.

A Service member has been undergoing transition for the last three months, from male to female, and his gender marker has not been changed in the Service's personnel data system. Only the immediate chain of command is aware of this transition. The Service member desires to attend an off-post unit event dressed as a female.

A Service member has been undergoing transition for the last three months, from male to female, and has not yet changed his gender marker in the Service's personnel database system. The unit is aware of his transition. He is preparing to begin his RLE after duty hours (i.e., wearing make-up, wigs, and female clothing) and would like to do so in his barracks room, unit day room, and
on the military installation. He is still using the male facilities.

cedsall
12-02-2016, 12:16
Your Post

I know the rules of the site encourage discussion, but...

HOLY F****NG S**T, WHAT THE F**K?!?!

(Sorry, had a 20 year relapse into my AD SFC days)

PRB
12-02-2016, 13:03
Oxymoron.......just had to get that out there :)

Box
12-02-2016, 14:36
You've just attended DoD mandated transgender education training and you are returning to your automobile when you realize that you have lost all situational awareness due to your confused state; you regain your senses when you hear the air-brakes of the semi-truck lock up as he skids towards you........

You have just been released from the hospital after walking into traffic on the way out of your first session of transgender awareness training when you see the female to male transgender service member that had fully transitioned, but did not undergo surgical change (the one that went topless during the swim test) playing beach volleyball with a male to female transgender service member that has not undergone surgical change but has completed the gender marker change in the Service personnel data system from male to female. The male to female transgender service member that has not undergone surgical change but has completed the gender marker change in the personnel data system is not wearing a shirt. You realize that the 'man' without a shirt has breast while the 'woman' without a shirt does not - this reminds you of Tom Cruise's oddly scripted homoerotic volleyball scene in the movie 'Top Gun' and while your mind is wandering you step in front of an LMTV.........

You have just recovered from several months of critical care repairing your facial bones after being hit by the LMTV; you have been medically boarded out of the army and while you are at the John Cochran VA Medical Center in St. Louis getting dental work to fix your broken teeth you realize that the dentist is a female to male transgender service member that had fully transitioned, but did not undergo surgical change and that 'he' is not wearing a bra...

While you are looking at the "male" dentist's huge, bra-less chest, you hear a CNN news report that says over 1800 patients at the John Cochran VA Medical Center may have contracted hepatitis B, hepatitis C and human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) after visiting the medical center for dental work...


You have stopped taking your pain pills because you believe that the events of the last several months of your life are just an opioid induced hallucination...
The pain wont go away and you can't wake up from your 'dream'......

tonyz
12-02-2016, 15:17
Months later...the pain just won't go away and you begin the next and inevitable phase of such a nightmare...you begin to date a Kartrashian.

WarriorDiplomat
12-02-2016, 16:12
Vignettes for upcoming training:

Vignettes:

Lieutenant Marty changed his gender marker in the Service personnel data system from female to male after completing an approved transition plan. Lieutenant Marty has not had sex reassignment surgery as part of the transition plan and is working with his MMP on a plan to start a family. Lieutenant
Marty approached his commanding officer a few weeks ago and mentioned
he was pregnant.

It is the semi-annual swim test and a female to male transgender Service member who has fully transitioned, but did not undergo surgical change, would like to wear a male swimsuit for the test with no shirt or other top coverage.

Following her transition (which did not include any sex reassignment surgery) and gender marker change in the Service personnel data system from male to female, Petty Officer Kelleher was assigned to a Coast Guard cutter and provided quarters in female berthing. Shortly after her arrival aboard the cutter, several females in Petty Officer Kelleher's berthing area complained to the Command Senior Chief about being uncomfortable around Petty Officer Kelleher as she still has male genitalia. The Command Senior Chief approached the commanding officer with these complaints hoping to achieve some sort
of resolution.
- An initial approach to the complaints may entail meeting with the Command Senior Chief as well as the complaining members of the berthing area to determine the exact nature of their complaints. You should inform them that Petty Officer Kelleher's assignment to female berthing is required regardless of her physical appearance and that their lack of comfort is not reason to prevent Petty Officer Kelleher from residing in female berthing or make her subject to treatment different from others.

A Service member has been undergoing transition for the last three months, from male to female, and his gender marker has not been changed in the Service's personnel data system. Only the immediate chain of command is aware of this transition. The Service member desires to attend an off-post unit event dressed as a female.

A Service member has been undergoing transition for the last three months, from male to female, and has not yet changed his gender marker in the Service's personnel database system. The unit is aware of his transition. He is preparing to begin his RLE after duty hours (i.e., wearing make-up, wigs, and female clothing) and would like to do so in his barracks room, unit day room, and
on the military installation. He is still using the male facilities.

GEN Mattis the next SECDEF will end this insanity fix this stupidity, he should be kicked out to pursue his mental sickness and twisted debauchery on his own dime. Send him where discipline and camaraderie don't matter off to the kingdom of California with thee.

frostfire
12-02-2016, 18:11
GEN Mattis the next SECDEF will end this insanity fix this stupidity, he should be kicked out to pursue his mental sickness and twisted debauchery on his own dime. Send him where discipline and camaraderie don't matter off to the kingdom of California with thee.

Is it realistic though? Would he (and Trump & crew) dare to withstand the backlash/wrath from the LGBYTQXYZ + sympathizing & the tolerant at all cost communicties after 8+ years of entrenched overreaching influence?

FWIW, I have worked with various deviant of all sorts. As other medical professionals on this board would attest, we leave our politics, opinion, etc. at home. With no qualms and full professionalism, I've knelt in front of and "rod" a "flaming" soldier after his week of unprotected fun. Sometimes I wonder if the medical community is enabling

sfshooter
12-02-2016, 18:37
After reading Billy L's post I couldn't help but fall over laughing.....okay, it could be the assistance of a few beers....and thinking this should be in the comedy section.
The sad part is that this sh** is real!
I remember when the woman assaulter, Blow Job Clinton, set the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. That sent our military on the downslide with morality (and funding too).
I am desperately hoping that with the Executive change of command, and with the announcement of Maddis as SecDef, that this crap will get fixed. Our military doesn't stand a chance playing with these foo foos like this!!!

Divemaster
12-02-2016, 19:48
In Tranny Marine related news, U.S. Army former POW Bowe Bergdahl is asking Commander in Chief Barack Obama for a pardon for becoming a POW.

bailaviborita
12-03-2016, 01:31
Just in case anyone thought I was joking, those vignettes are from an actual DoD mandatory training brief that all commanders must get.

Old Dog New Trick
12-03-2016, 04:57
IMO - I don't see them reversing direction but quietly enforcing long standing military standards of conduct, physical fitness and gender neutrality in combat arms. In other words there is one standard for all and there are no special expenditures to accommodate the different sexes when it comes to privacy or personal issues. There can be no privacy issues because combat arms are just that - your foxhole/battle buddy is going to become intimately close - too close is a command issue to solve not a social issue.

If after zero or nearly zero success rate in "integration" the military can say this experiment failed and will no longer make any special efforts to accommodate for selection, training and assignments anyone other than those who make the cut on their own and without political or special favors.

WarriorDiplomat
12-03-2016, 08:21
Is it realistic though? Would he (and Trump & crew) dare to withstand the backlash/wrath from the LGBYTQXYZ + sympathizing & the tolerant at all cost communicties after 8+ years of entrenched overreaching influence?

FWIW, I have worked with various deviant of all sorts. As other medical professionals on this board would attest, we leave our politics, opinion, etc. at home. With no qualms and full professionalism, I've knelt in front of and "rod" a "flaming" soldier after his week of unprotected fun. Sometimes I wonder if the medical community is enabling


Yes it is absolutely realistic did anyone think there would be coed bathrooms?? the military has a smaller budget than it did several years ago the military should not be spending money on such endeavors when we have a superpower requirement. The LGBT stranglehold is getting face time because of the administrations objective the media has given them free reign this is called tyranny of PC. Obama allowed these people like Eric Fanning to get into positions to give a very small community a very loud voice at the expensive of the military they also empowered the feminist in the same way hopefully the WISR is eliminated as well. The backlash needs to be put into perspective compared to real and imminent issues such as good order and discipline and military strength and discount the notion/lie of strength through diversity. Suffocating and punishing the media for its deliberate bias and inciting social tension. Free speech and ethics go hand in hand the media has glorified this tyrannical attitude that the LGBT crowd should create rules for the people to abide by and place the burden of their mental illness on society. Soldiers get reclassified all the time and the female combat arms can be reclassified and openly homosexual specifically the flamboyant types should be counselled for their public displays that embarrasses the military institution and undermines the perception of professionalism and strength. If you have a vagina/penis&gonads and you identify as a male/female then take your illness somewhere else you dress/undress/serve within capacities that fits your physical reality. The fact is there is no proof of this being anything other than a mental issue but regardless if its real then why should society pay for it and DoD give up needed money for this this should be grounds for non entry or immediate release/ if its mental then non entry, if they come forth after entry then UCMJ should accompany dismissal.

The LGBT community has the freedom to live life as they choose but the military preserves freedom and being a soldier is not the practice of these freedoms. I have no personal issues with gay people but when their lifestyle was imposed on the military I took sides because I know that gays have always served but no tiny group ever had so much power over military commanders. A commander should never be afraid to confront a service member in his command because they are gay but this is the very real backlash. The same with females in combat units a very small group of females can bring a command to its knees over real or perceived harassment all these issues are detrimental to warfighting. Who believes that there are not OSINT units in every country monitoring the issues with the strength of country specifically military and economics?? These issues no doubt being so public assists other countries strategic timing for example as social agendas became prevalent the big 4 China, Russia, N. Korea and Iran got far more militarily and economically aggressive. The gains these countries made was right underneath the noses of Ambassadors and COCOM's who were forced to implement these policies and secondly their former primary mission of security and stability.

The people that Trump is appointing can definitely take the wind out of the sails of the social justice minorities and put the power back into the hands of the productive majority.

NurseTim
12-04-2016, 14:29
I have never seen a transgender Pt. Without other comorbid psych diagnosis's, ever. That is a problem. It is delusional, they want to be something they are not and play pretend, that is not normal.

doctom54
12-04-2016, 14:53
I have never seen a transgender Pt. Without other comorbid psych diagnosis's, ever. That is a problem. It is delusional, they want to be something they are not and play pretend, that is not normal.

I concur! That has been my experience also.

Box
12-05-2016, 03:39
Smoke and mirrors... I don't expect any of this to change.

Politicians in unWashedington DC aren't going to direct anyone to stop.
...military leaders in the Pentagram aren't going to ask for a mulligan.


The best you can do is think through the vignettes, and ponder what you will do when LT Marty tells you he is pregnant and cant deploy with his infantry platoon.



People need to realize that pregnant men and topless non-surgical swimmers with male gender markers are the order of the day.
Get used to it.
...or "eat your peas" as the current POTUS might say.

CloseDanger
12-05-2016, 14:54
No. This must end almost immediately.
I don't care who you are or what you do, but the world will not re-arrange around your exploitation of yourself in political manner when WE ARE AT WAR.

Keep it under wraps on your own dime and time, fine. But never expect the trust required to be part of a Team with your special selves this way.

It's Mission first

To hell with all 8 years of mangling these assets.

It is hard enough to manage missing slots to deploy with, harder more with the out of office or field visits for special needs. This, none of this is permissible.

At all.