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Divemaster
09-17-2016, 22:42
Something, intentional according to NYPD, goes high order in Manhattan. They won't call it terrorism...yet. However, 29 people at the blast site were injured.
Zero, none, nil, officials are linking this to the Seaside Park, New Jersey bomb that went off along the route of the Marine 5K charity run.
Personally, I am tremendously relieved. I would hate to think that two bombings on the American east coast, not that far apart, might possibly be part of a coordinated terrorist plot.
I should probably ignore that CNN report (live right now) that says LE has recovered a pressure cooker device in Manhattan with a cellphone attached.
Divemaster
09-17-2016, 23:05
Thankfully, it is so much more difficult to make a bomb/IED composed of high explosives in the United States.
Most of us here know the difference between a kitchen sink device (yes, Boston was that), and something much more potent. New Jersey and NYC were kitchen sink size blasts. As to the trigger, I don't know yet.
So far these turds aren't able to take out entire blocks (like the police did against MOVE in 1985).
Wait, NYPD hasn't called this terrorism. Sorry for being an alarmist.
But, it's the religion of peace (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMUGJZrR9Jg&t=0m31s) don't ya know. ;)
Pat
Divemaster
09-17-2016, 23:16
But, it's the religion of peace (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMUGJZrR9Jg&t=0m31s) don't ya know. ;)
Pat
Thankfully the religion of peace, or religion of anything, has trouble obtaining HE here in the US. We are very unlikely to face a VBIED full of military grade explosives. However, I do believe the sophistication of the triggers will be the ultimate clue as to the foreign terrorism connection.
sfshooter
09-17-2016, 23:19
How scared our communist, eh, I mean government officials are, to warn people of terrorism type acts so they might take action to prepare themselves for the possibility of follow on actions. What a phobia they are placing on the citizenry!
We are very unlikely to face a VBIED full of military grade explosives.
I was talking to my wife tonight about exactly that. All of the on-the-horizon self driving vehicles will make great VBIED devices even with less sophisticated explosives. Plus, no video of who placed them. We clearly live in interesting times.
Pat
I was talking to my wife tonight about exactly that. All of the on-the-horizon self driving vehicles will make great VBIED devices even with less sophisticated explosives. Plus, no video of who placed them. We clearly live in interesting times.
Pat
More dependency on technology leads to more vulnerability.
Divemaster
09-17-2016, 23:36
I was talking to my wife tonight about exactly that. All of the on-the-horizon self driving vehicles will make great VBIED devices even with less sophisticated explosives. Plus, no video of who placed them. We clearly live in interesting times.
Pat
PSM, that is so unlikely as to not even concern yourself about. Even with today's bombings (NYC & NJ), the most likely event the average American will encounter is street crime.
A sophisticated VBIED would be the MDCOA, or Most Dangerous Course of Action. However, it is also the least likely COA. Tesla is not going to take out your block. :D
PSM, that is so unlikely as to not even concern yourself about. Even with today's bombings (NYC & NJ), the most likely event the average American will encounter is street crime.
A sophisticated VBIED would be the MDCOA, or Most Dangerous Course of Action. However, it is also the least likely COA. Tesla is not going to take out your block. :D
I ain't concerned, I live in the desert of Arizona, but I am hoping that Tesla continues to develop cheaper, better, smaller batteries. :D
Pat
Divemaster
09-18-2016, 00:00
Meanwhile, 29 people in Manhattan are reported as wounded. Most are likely to be our fellow Americans.
Let's not get wrapped around the axle about NYPD not calling this terrorism. They won't do so until there is actual evidence that without a doubt points that way.
However, just now, still on CNN, they were telling me about a multiple stabbing at a mall where the blade wielder "referred to Allah".
"May you live in interesting times", my ass. We're living in an interesting weekend.
Interesting to note the "B" word is being studiously avoided at this point. It was an intentional explosion, not linked to terrorism.
A device designed to explode intentionally.
If only we had a word for that.
Or a word for setting one off in a residential area.
Huh.
So let me get this straight, 3 devices in NJ & 2 more in Manhattan, as well as a knife attack in MN, but "there is no evidence at this point of a terror connection"???...move along....nothing to see here....
How could this be anything other than a terrorist act, regardless of who perpetrated it?
...I just hope nobody refers to this explosive devise as a "bomb" before some really detailed research is done on what this may have been.
This may not have been a "bomb"
...it could have been an improvised device of some sort.
We just dont know.
...more important than things that may or may not be bombs, when is Trump going to apologize for apologizing for the birther movement.
Team Sergeant
09-18-2016, 09:09
I'm surprised the New York Police Dept didn't call it a "firecracker".
So what does a trillion dollars a year of intelligence gathering and invading the rights of "Americans" get you?
Absolutely nothing.
We sure need a real leader, this muslim in the White House is not working out.
The Reaper
09-18-2016, 09:22
You don't need military grade anything if you use enough of it in the right place.
Look at McVeigh, and he had less resources than any of the organized Muslim extremists.
They sure didn't hesitate to call his device a bomb, captured, tried, convicted and executed him in what would be record time in the modern USA.
It is only a matter of time before one of these assholes pulls a similar op.
IMHO, the terrorists should be laying low and hoping that Hitlary gets elected and adopts a kinder, gentler position on the religion of peace.
TR
ddoering
09-18-2016, 10:36
Probably Trump supporters trying to influence the election. They are mostly disgruntled white males.
Golf1echo
09-18-2016, 11:02
Before Snake Plissken there was some idiot named Bill De Blasio
Blacklight...
Badger52
09-18-2016, 15:48
So what does a trillion dollars a year of intelligence gathering and invading the rights of "Americans" get you?
Absolutely nothing.
We get to hear that they are interviewing person or persons of interest who have been "on our radar for quite some time"™ in 3.... 2....
:rolleyes:
Aw hell, they (The Dem/Lib/Prog/Soc Party) have been working on this for the past 8 years ...
http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22381&highlight=packed+nicely
:rolleyes:
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/777832615533477888/photo/1
Amed Khan Rahami(1/23/88) 28 years old. I can't post a picture for some reason...someone might want to.
Wanted in connection with bombings.
Military age Muslim male...
Sem sem in MN knife attack.
What a surprise.
The Reaper
09-19-2016, 08:42
Military age Muslim male...
Sem sem in MN knife attack.
What a surprise.
Roger, clearly, we need to allow the unrestricted immigration of at least 100,000 of these muldoons per year in order to stop this. :rolleyes:
TR
Unfortunately, there are many people who -- regardless of who does these bombings -- will always believe they are "lone wolves" and are simply acting on their own and not under a bigger authority or umbrella.
Many of them are "keyboard commados," but, with that said, people need to get their heads out of the sand and understand that their are ME connected groups here who want to do bad things to innocent people.
Roger, clearly, we need to allow the unrestricted immigration of at least 100,000 of these muldoons per year in order to stop this. :rolleyes:
TR
Unfortunately, you don't even have to look very far to further support your point TR.
Our current political "leadership" is incompetent.
Immigrants Who Should Have Been Deported, Given Citizenship Instead
An internal government watchdog report says immigration authorities mistakenly granted citizenship to more than 800 immigrants who had been ordered out of the country.
By ALICIA A. CALDWELL, Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. government has mistakenly granted citizenship to at least 858 immigrants who had pending deportation orders from countries of concern to national security or with high rates of immigration fraud, according to an internal Homeland Security audit released Monday.
The Homeland Security Department's inspector general found that the immigrants used different names or birthdates to apply for citizenship with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services and such discrepancies weren't caught because their fingerprints were missing from government databases.
US News
Sept. 19, 2016, at 9:07 a.m.
<snip>
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-09-19/more-than-800-immigrants-mistakenly-granted-citizenship
According to Mrs. Clinton this morning, we tend to overlook the millions of immigrants and naturalized citizens here in this country that are not trying to kill us. In other words a few bad apples can't be allowed to spoil the whole bunch. Her and O are delusional in regards to immigration in this country. All the more reason she must be stopped.
She says those things from the position of a life-long "protected" person. It's amazing how wrong everyone else is when you are consistently encircled by a protective ring.
lets not jump to any conclusions...
...we might still find out that this guy is just a returning veteran radicalized by hyper-patriotism
bblhead672
09-19-2016, 11:47
Thankfully the religion of peace, or religion of anything, has trouble obtaining HE here in the US. We are very unlikely to face a VBIED full of military grade explosives. However, I do believe the sophistication of the triggers will be the ultimate clue as to the foreign terrorism connection.
Good thing that southern border is so tight. Don't have to worry about anyone smuggling HE into the country.
TacOfficer
09-19-2016, 11:50
According to Mrs. Clinton this morning, we tend to overlook the millions of immigrants and naturalized citizens here in this country that are not trying to kill us. In other words a few bad apples can't be allowed to spoil the whole bunch. Her and O are delusional in regards to immigration in this country. All the more reason she must be stopped.
But when it comes to Police, given a few bad apples, we all are "Deplorables" .
It's sad to say but I would wager even this putz stood when they played The Star Spangled Banner.
Golf1echo
09-19-2016, 12:07
Roger, clearly, we need to allow the unrestricted immigration of at least 100,000 of these muldoons per year in order to stop this. :rolleyes:
TR
Not that the left would understand the lessons of Classic Literature or real world scenarios.
The guerrilla must move amongst the people as a fish swims in the sea.
Mao Zedong
Essay on Guerrilla Warfare
But when it comes to Police, given a few bad apples, we all are "Deplorables" ....
If you want to go there we can.
TacOfficer
09-19-2016, 13:03
The point I was attempting to make was that they (the left) readily throw some under the bus to appease a constituency, yet excuse others that have an ideology to destroy us. By no means did I intend to equate the Police with terrorists.
That is all. 😀
ddoering
09-19-2016, 17:47
I'm just shocked it was a Muslim. I thought for sure it would be a disgruntled middle aged white former military male. That is who we are watching after all, isn't it?
Badger52
09-19-2016, 19:40
The idiots are keeping to their lone wolf, no outside help story. From a Fox article:
Two sources said the FBI is now focused on Rahami's overseas travel, and at least three trips to his native Afghanistan. A law enforcement source said the frequency of the trips was not suspicious at the time because of his family ties, and the number of trips did not suggest Rahami had outside help to pay for the flights.Sounds like the literal implementation of TDYPFO.
I have a couple of questions about these last incidents.
1. Other than the fact that Tannerite is a legal binary explosive and it is easy to purchase, why would this (or these) terrorists use such a small quantity of low explosive. The video of the bomb robot detonating one of the bombs shows a very minimal explosion. I guess they could already have conducted interventions that lessened the explosion, but I've seen fireworks make as big of a blast. If, as some reports have stated, the pressure cooker bombs are identical to the Boston marathon bombs, they obviously didn't use the same explosives. The Boston bombs appeared to be, from my untrained eye, higher order with much more damaging effects.
2. Why do I feel like we're not being told the truth about the "witnesses" who removed the plastic bag and pressure cooker Bomb from the duffel? What would be the reasoning for not saying that they were invoked in the operation? Is it because they're gone and can't find them or the LEOS/FEDS don't want people to know that, in fact this is a terror "cell"?
I hope y'all don't mind the questions. Thanks.
If you want to go there we can.
I'd be interested in "going there"
When we are talking about bringing in a horde of unknowns from areas that are rife with conflict, we are preached to by the self-righteous that we cannot judge the whole by its parts.
It doesn't stop with the immigration problem either - we have plenty of our own problems like crime and corruption that are treated with kid gloves unless you are a non-democrat.
...cops are bullies/racists by nature
...returning veterans are the most likely threat to security
...conservative minded people are labeled as deplorable.
Based on what I have observed in the media over the last two years, the comment from TacOfficer seemed like a reasonable charge.
ddoering
09-20-2016, 12:40
Now Billy. You must be conveniently forgetting the domestic terrorists that rampaged thru Oregon and murdered a citizen. I'm sure most of them were white former military types.
Golf1echo
09-20-2016, 14:20
Noted that the wife and mother left for the Mid East days before the event. Also noted, while different events the so called lone wolf attack in France with the Truck on Bastille Day has netted 14 related arrests to date. Let alone the coinciding knife attack in Minnesota. It gets harder and harder to conceive of these incidents as independent lone wolf attacks even for a Liberal mind....OK strike that last part.
Gotta love the image of Afghani Chicken Boy in Pakistan...avoiding drones by thermal masking perhaps or just snarfing some goat meat...either way the voices tell me they do not have our best interests at heart.
Team Sergeant
09-20-2016, 17:44
barry soetoro, "We'll import thousands more daily!"
Get used to the islamic terrorist bombings, shootings and stabbings, they're here to stay.
Divemaster
09-20-2016, 18:44
I'd be interested in knowing if anyone is taking another look at that limb removing firecracker in Central Park.
Badger52
09-20-2016, 18:51
barry soetoro, "We'll import thousands more daily!"
Get used to the islamic terrorist bombings, shootings and stabbings, they're here to stay.Yup. Check the resettlement areas & see if the sexual assault rates eventually track with such idyllic places as Sweden...
:munchin
New York bombing suspect Ahmad Khan Rahami said he received instructions from 'terrorist leaders... to attack non-believers'
UK Telegraph
Barney Henderson, new york
21 SEPTEMBER 2016 • 2:08PM
The New York bombing suspect said that he had received instructions from "terrorist leaders... to attack non-believers where they live", as he was charged on Tuesday night with the use of weapons of mass destruction.
Ahmad Khan Rahami's journal revealed that he accused the US of slaughtering Islamist fighters in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and the Palestinian territories.
The document ends: "The sounds of the bombs will be heard in the streets. Gun shots to your police. Death To Your OPPRESSION."
<snip>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/20/new-york-bombing-suspect-ahmad-khan-rahami-said-he-received-inst/
ddoering
09-21-2016, 10:56
New York bombing suspect Ahmad Khan Rahami said he received instructions from 'terrorist leaders... to attack non-believers'
UK Telegraph
Barney Henderson, new york
21 SEPTEMBER 2016 • 2:08PM
The New York bombing suspect said that he had received instructions from "terrorist leaders... to attack non-believers where they live", as he was charged on Tuesday night with the use of weapons of mass destruction.
Ahmad Khan Rahami's journal revealed that he accused the US of slaughtering Islamist fighters in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and the Palestinian territories.
The document ends: "The sounds of the bombs will be heard in the streets. Gun shots to your police. Death To Your OPPRESSION."
<snip>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/20/new-york-bombing-suspect-ahmad-khan-rahami-said-he-received-inst/
Barry is giving them instructions now....
What the uninformed general populace doesn't get is the fact that whether they physically meet with someone or simply indoctrinate themselves via the Internet...they are getting their "instructions" from "terrorists."
What else is new?
What the uninformed general populace doesn't get is the fact that whether they physically meet with someone or simply indoctrinate themselves via the Internet...they are getting their "instructions" from "terrorists."
What else is new?
Kinda shoots a big hole in the media's preoccupation with the lone wolf theory, huh?