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Team Sergeant
09-21-2015, 08:58
Who thought it was a good idea to give 15-16 year olds a drivers license?
We can't drink until 21. But we can die for our country at 18.
And we can kill others with cars at 15-16.
Add a mobile phone to a teenager and a car doing 45+ and see what happens. (I see and avoid it almost daily now)
I've got to get out of this big city ASAP, or buy an MRAP to drive.
blue02hd
09-21-2015, 09:04
Location, location, location,,,,
My cousins in Missouri were driving at 14. Of course they were also bailing hay, plowing fields, and running 35hp johnny boats on the Missouri to check trout lines, but yeah my uncle would be in the boat. With a cold Coors, and some sort of firearm.
Now they run their own businesses in construction.
Not all apples fall from the same tree.
x SF med
09-21-2015, 09:10
It would be nice if the US went to a scaled license like that used in Germany... learner's permit, 18 mo of training, then a novice license in grades until one has enough driving experience to pass the test as a fully licensed driver.
Any violations during leaner/novice and it's back to the beginning and all of the associated costs... which, btw, are VERY expensive.
Team Sergeant
09-21-2015, 09:35
Location, location, location,,,,
I agree 100%.
Here in the Phoenix area we have the "Driving Dead" and we have the "Driving Cellphone Idiots".
Well, we just had a 64 year-old woman drive into a flooded wash, on Sat., just 1/4 mile from us. She still hasn't been found. I'm not sure age is the problem.
Pat
Roguish Lawyer
09-21-2015, 11:17
Lighten up, Francis. Jeez, you are turning into a serious fuddy-duddy. :eek:
Obtaining (and retaining) a drivers license should require passing a test which measures intelligence and common sense.
blue02hd
09-21-2015, 12:37
Obtaining (and retaining) a drivers license should require passing a test which measures intelligence and common sense.
You can't have higher standards for driving than you do for voting, thats simply Un American.
You can't have higher standards for driving than you do for voting, thats simply Un American.
We already have that.
Team Sergeant
09-21-2015, 14:06
You can't have higher standards for driving than you do for voting, thats simply Un American.
What was I thinking....... :D
therunningwolf
09-21-2015, 15:17
First wreck I ever worked was a lady running a stop sign on a small road deep out in the county onto one of our highways. She hit a VW on the passenger side, about two foot in front of the passenger side seat and a 11-12 year old girl. Spun the WV around and it finally stopped with the help of a tree. The driver's vehicle did about four flips before hitting the tree line. Broke the mothers hip and messed the little girl up pretty bad. As I was walking over to check on the lady that ran the stop sign (she was going about 70 or so) I stopped and noticed her phone glowing in the ditch from having just received a reply, it was setting right next to about 1/4 of her brain. Guess she learned her lesson on texting and driving...
Had a Mother two weeks ago flip her car with her 3 and 4 year old and 4 month old in the back seat. Trying to pass on a narrow road, with oncoming traffic, and send a text all at once, talk about multi-tasking. How, I don't know, but the kids all made it dangling from the roof in their car seats. The mother may be an idiot, but she knows how to put her kids in a car seat the right way.
We have laws on the book in my state now where we can write tickets for texting and driving. The only problem is that the SO has to pay money for every ticket for texting and driving that we write, who ever came up with that piece of stupidity needs to be slapped.
We've shown pictures of the wrecks to god only knows how many teens and adults and they still never get the picture, no text is worth your or anyone else's life, just pull over (completely off the roadway) if it is that important. But alas they never learn...Stupidity should be a chargeable offense, we can call it "Felony- Stupid in General"
Team Sergeant
09-21-2015, 19:56
Lighten up, Francis. Jeez, you are turning into a serious fuddy-duddy. :eek:
I have a very low tolerance for stupid. And an even lower tolerance for stupid that results in others possibly getting harmed.
mojaveman
09-21-2015, 20:11
I'm back in a commercial vehicle for right now and can see quite a bit from up there. No lie, while driving down a street in the Los Angeles area recently I saw a young female LEO in a marked PD cruiser texting on her personal phone while driving. I wish I would have been on the passenger side with someone else driving because I would taken a picture of her and sent it to her department or maybe even made a video and put it on You tube. :D :p
I have a 16 y/o Daughter that will start driving by herself next Month. I will say this, getting a drivers license is WAY to EASY for a teenager. I feel, like many other Countries it is just to easy because getting one is just way to cheap.
States are looking for money, then raise the drivers license permit drivers driving text/exam up, and raise the drivers license fee up. But drop it for 18 y/o or older.
Yes I'm worried about cell phones and my daughter. Only so much I can tell here, it's about growing up. I did tell her, she wrecks the car, she will be driving a wrecked car till she graduate. If she totals it, find a friend for rides!!
Now on the Location, location, location,,,, YES if the family has a farm and has the need for the kids to get a drivers license at 14 y/o. Then I say yes.. now some urban city family looking for their 14 y/o kid to start working sooner or giving a reason of "I need for XYZ to pick up their sibling or take their sibling to... I SAY NO.
1stindoor
09-22-2015, 06:19
Since we're venting here...along with people trying to text...I can't stand to see the little (or big) dogs sitting on the driver's lap. Ever see a dog that went through a windshield? Not a pretty sight.
You can't have higher standards for driving than you do for voting, thats simply Un American.
Driving is like voting - it's always the other guy's fault for causing the situation we're facing.
Richard
Team Sergeant
09-22-2015, 10:17
Driving is like voting - it's always the other guy's fault for causing the situation we're facing.
Richard
I'm guessing you've never worked or ridden with the cops.....:munchin
I've actually been thinking about a vehicle cam to get these idiots on tape and would have but, it would get ripped off in a heartbeat thanks to the few million undocumented democrats in the Phoenix area.
Cell phones are killing folks at a very rapid pace.
Well, we just had a 64 year-old woman drive into a flooded wash, on Sat., just 1/4 mile from us. She still hasn't been found. I'm not sure age is the problem.
Pat
(Removed. They have not found her yet.)
Pat
NurseTim
09-27-2015, 00:58
I'm guessing you've never worked or ridden with the cops.....:munchin
I've actually been thinking about a vehicle cam to get these idiots on tape and would have but, it would get ripped off in a heartbeat thanks to the few million undocumented democrats in the Phoenix area.
Cell phones are killing folks at a very rapid pace.
As long as it's the stupid ones, this would be a problem how?
I would dearly love to PIT drivers that text.
I drive the 101 north daily, fully half are texting or checking emails.
As long as it's the stupid ones, this would be a problem how?
I would dearly love to PIT drivers that text.
I drive the 101 north daily, fully half are texting or checking emails.
Because they hit innocent people.
I was stopped at a red light in an '83 Trans Am and an 18 year old girl driving a Ford Ranger going about 50 MPH hit me without touching her brakes. It knocked me 86 feet into the intersection. Everything designed for safety worked in the car but my back is still being treated.
You can guess what she was doing, texting while driving.
Karma caught up with her and she was killed about two-years later in a car wreak by a distracted driver.
Last weekend the trail ragtop hummwv of one if my convoys was hit while rolling down the interstate. They were going 60ish and got ass ended by a car going 80-90mph. Car partially submarined under and caused the hummer to spin 2-21/2x. Force of imact broke the veh CDR's seat belt. His forehead hit the radio mount hashing his head. Good fortune in the direction of spin or he probably would have been ejected. All 3 occupants were treated at the hospital for cuts bumps leg and neck pain and RTD.
Driver of car was texting
Bleed Green
09-27-2015, 08:41
My sympathies to you TS for driving the Phoenix 500 daily. Last time we drove through PHX I saw something I have never seen before unless it involved a black and white. A woman in the HOV lane talking away on her cell until she decided to start merging with the regular traffic which cause her to perform a perfect PIT maneuver with the first car she encountered. Lucky for me and the girls that I watch my mirrors and knew a quick lane change could be safely done without the same result.
I got my driver's license the day after my 16th birthday in 1956. I've driven over a million miles without causing an accident. I've had a cell phone since 1985, and have never sent or read a text message while driving. :munching
I see more adults texting or talking on their hand held cell phones while driving than I do teens.
TS - we actually went and got a dash cam for that very reason. It was some Romanian version for 40 bucks. Works like a charm!! Bovi...?? I think is the name.
I have had it in my truck for a couple of years and it has saved me a few times already. A couple of road rage incidents that got quieted down real quick, fast and in-a-hurry when I pointed to the camera.
I am in LA now (lower Alabama) and I have NEVER seen so many people texting and driving. It is chronic.
Having just spent a week in Phoenix, I fully believe that the drivers there are worse than almost every other city.
I wasn't out much, yet my car was almost hit 10+ times, most requiring evasive action on my part, and I had two rear-end accidents happen right in front of me on I-10.
Guymullins
09-28-2015, 03:31
What is worse. In my country, the day you are allowed to drive is the day you are allowed to drink. 18 is the deadly age and it doesn't make much sense to coincide the two.
Bleed Green
09-28-2015, 07:33
Since we're venting here...along with people trying to text...I can't stand to see the little (or big) dogs sitting on the driver's lap. Ever see a dog that went through a windshield? Not a pretty sight.
If we are venting, please let your loved ones know that riding with their feet on the dash is not a good idea if the air bag fires. Saw that happen one time when a ladies' husband fell asleep and they ran out of road. What was an otherwise survivable crash was a tragedy instead.
Golf1echo
09-28-2015, 16:14
Here in the city it is dismaying to see how some people drive, the latest pattern I see lately are drivers and passengers invisibly vaping The thing that makes me cringe about the thought of texting and all the multitasking driving is the speeds have increased significantly and the distance traveled during a 5 second text might be a football field http://www.distraction.gov/
Many years ago I ran across Bob Bondurant's book " High Performance Driving" very good read on driving, just driving both the knowledge of it and the joy. I see he has schools to this day and have an eye on sending someone I know to one.
If we are venting, please let your loved ones know that riding with their feet on the dash is not a good idea if the air bag fires. Saw that happen one time when a ladies' husband fell asleep and they ran out of road. What was an otherwise survivable crash was a tragedy instead.
Indeed you are correct about the riding with feet on the dash. I can't tell you the ones I've seen where their knees are where their hips should be and their legs went from four feet long to two feet.
Crashes defy the laws of gravity...problem is, those texting, putting on their make-up, and reading the morning paper while driving simply don't realize that until it's too late.
Many years ago I ran across Bob Bondurant's book " High Performance Driving" very good read on driving, just driving both the knowledge of it and the joy. I see he has schools to this day and have an eye on sending someone I know to one.
Bondurant's school and AAA have teamed up for teen driving instruction here in AZ: http://www.bondurant.com/pit-row/news/bondurant-safe-teen-driving-old-story
Pat
This will end as technology adapts to voice recognition software, but then we are going to need a new form of population control. I mean look at all the 3rd world countries, the population is expanding exponentially, causing mass migrations, wars, all kinds of stupid shit that even "jobs" can't solve. We need to send those M"fkers cars and cell phones. They have the gas.