Female RANGERS

[bailaviborita]

The advocates want to change the culture. The next steps are:

1- if women don't volunteer for combat arms, blame sexist recruiters and commanders and make the next boogeyman to be the entire sexist military system
2- institution-wide investigation into why more homosexuals have not come out of the closet in combat arms. Blame heteronormative and homophobic combat arms culture and leadership
3- trans everything into combat arms. If there are any problems, blame leadership for being cisgendered.

They could care less about women in combat arms- although many will push for that- as much as they are culture change.

BL: if something is seen in the military as advantageous to heterosexual men who are type A, like football, like to hunt, have guns, and favor God and the nuclear family- then it contributes to dominant Herero male advantage and must go.

[PedOncoDoc]

The advocates want to change the culture. The next steps are:

1- if women don't volunteer for combat arms, blame sexist recruiters and commanders and make the next boogeyman to be the entire sexist military system
2- institution-wide investigation into why more homosexuals have not come out of the closet in combat arms. Blame heteronormative and homophobic combat arms culture and leadership
3- trans everything into combat arms. If there are any problems, blame leadership for being cisgendered.

They could care less about women in combat arms- although many will push for that- as much as they are culture change.

BL: if something is seen in the military as advantageous to heterosexual men who are type A, like football, like to hunt, have guns, and favor God and the nuclear family- then it contributes to dominant Herero male advantage and must go.

Thanks for this. It is a wonderful summary of how our leaders have gone full retard with regards to gender and sexuality.

[Team Sergeant]

If I was a units CDR or CSM I'd send every female I had to Ranger school.

Makes them better soldiers right?




(Just remember, when it starts the lists you need are in the city "voter registration" departments.)

[Chairborne64]

Here is a pretty interesting take at the "Havok Journal." It sure does sound like the fix was in.

http://www.havokjournal.com/nation/ranger-records-cop-out-cover-up-or-let-it-die-already/1/

[Richard]

Dear Ma and Pa,

I am well. Hope you are. Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer being in a Ranger unit beats working for old man Minch by a mile. Tell them to join up quick before all of the places are filled.

I was restless at first because you get to stay in bed till nearly 6 a.m. But I am getting so I like to sleep late. Tell Walt and Elmer all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot, and shine some things. No hogs to slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay. Practically nothing.

Men got to shave but it is not so bad, there's warm water. Breakfast is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, etc., but kind of weak on chops, potatoes, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie and other regular food, but tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit by the two city boys that live on coffee. Their food, plus yours, holds you until noon when you get fed again. It's no wonder these city boys can't walk much.

We go on "route marches," which the platoon sergeant says are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it's not my place to tell him different. A "route march" is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then the city guys get sore feet and we all ride back in trucks.

The sergeant is like a school teacher. He nags a lot. The Captain is like the school board. Majors and Colonels just ride around and frown. They don't bother you none.

This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep getting medals for shooting. I don't know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a chipmunk head and don't move, and it ain't shooting at you like the Higgett boys at home. All you got to do is lie there all comfortable and hit it. You don't even load your own cartridges. They come in boxes.

Then we have what they call hand-to-hand combat training. You get to wrestle with them city boys. I have to be real careful though, they break real easy. It ain't like fighting with that ole bull at home.

I'm about the best they got in this except for that Tug Jordan from over in Silver Lake. I only beat him once. He joined up the same time as me, but I'm only 5'6" and 130 pounds and he's 6'8" and near 300 pounds dry.

Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join before other fellers get onto this setup and come stampeding in.

Your loving daughter,

Alice

:D :D

Richard

[Old Dog New Trick]

Dear Ma and Pa,

I am well. Hope you are. Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer being in a Ranger unit beats working for old man Minch by a mile. Tell them to join up quick before all of the places are filled.

I was restless at first because you get to stay in bed till nearly 6 a.m. But I am getting so I like to sleep late. Tell Walt and Elmer all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot, and shine some things. No hogs to slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay. Practically nothing.

Men got to shave but it is not so bad, there's warm water. Breakfast is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, etc., but kind of weak on chops, potatoes, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie and other regular food, but tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit by the two city boys that live on coffee. Their food, plus yours, holds you until noon when you get fed again. It's no wonder these city boys can't walk much.

We go on "route marches," which the platoon sergeant says are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it's not my place to tell him different. A "route march" is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then the city guys get sore feet and we all ride back in trucks.

The sergeant is like a school teacher. He nags a lot. The Captain is like the school board. Majors and Colonels just ride around and frown. They don't bother you none.

This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep getting medals for shooting. I don't know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a chipmunk head and don't move, and it ain't shooting at you like the Higgett boys at home. All you got to do is lie there all comfortable and hit it. You don't even load your own cartridges. They come in boxes.

Then we have what they call hand-to-hand combat training. You get to wrestle with them city boys. I have to be real careful though, they break real easy. It ain't like fighting with that ole bull at home.

I'm about the best they got in this except for that Tug Jordan from over in Silver Lake. I only beat him once. He joined up the same time as me, but I'm only 5'6" and 130 pounds and he's 6'8" and near 300 pounds dry.

Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join before other fellers get onto this setup and come stampeding in.

Your loving daughter,

Alice

:D :D

Richard

Thank you Richard. Pulitzer material right there.

[MtnGoat]

Dear Ma and Pa,

I am well. Hope you are. Tell Brother Walt and Brother Elmer being in a Ranger unit beats working for old man Minch by a mile. Tell them to join up quick before all of the places are filled.

I was restless at first because you get to stay in bed till nearly 6 a.m. But I am getting so I like to sleep late. Tell Walt and Elmer all you do before breakfast is smooth your cot, and shine some things. No hogs to slop, feed to pitch, mash to mix, wood to split, fire to lay. Practically nothing.

Men got to shave but it is not so bad, there's warm water. Breakfast is strong on trimmings like fruit juice, cereal, eggs, bacon, etc., but kind of weak on chops, potatoes, ham, steak, fried eggplant, pie and other regular food, but tell Walt and Elmer you can always sit by the two city boys that live on coffee. Their food, plus yours, holds you until noon when you get fed again. It's no wonder these city boys can't walk much.

We go on "route marches," which the platoon sergeant says are long walks to harden us. If he thinks so, it's not my place to tell him different. A "route march" is about as far as to our mailbox at home. Then the city guys get sore feet and we all ride back in trucks.

The sergeant is like a school teacher. He nags a lot. The Captain is like the school board. Majors and Colonels just ride around and frown. They don't bother you none.

This next will kill Walt and Elmer with laughing. I keep getting medals for shooting. I don't know why. The bulls-eye is near as big as a chipmunk head and don't move, and it ain't shooting at you like the Higgett boys at home. All you got to do is lie there all comfortable and hit it. You don't even load your own cartridges. They come in boxes.

Then we have what they call hand-to-hand combat training. You get to wrestle with them city boys. I have to be real careful though, they break real easy. It ain't like fighting with that ole bull at home.

I'm about the best they got in this except for that Tug Jordan from over in Silver Lake. I only beat him once. He joined up the same time as me, but I'm only 5'6" and 130 pounds and he's 6'8" and near 300 pounds dry.

Be sure to tell Walt and Elmer to hurry and join before other fellers get onto this setup and come stampeding in.

Your loving daughter,

Alice

:D :D

Richard

Funny.. Richard.. But I throw the BS Flag on the second sentence. What Army Combat Arms unit sleeps in till 0600?? I say they are all out in PT Formations at 060. Now Ranger Units, they are running by then. :D

[Box]

I've never met an Alice. I met a few that grew up near her, but never Alice.

[Chairborne64]

So to answer my own question it looks like about 6 showed up Monday give or take. The ARTB is being very tight lipped.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/11/04/without-fanfare-ranger-school-officially-opens-female-soldiers.html

[Team Sergeant]

I would also like to see the records of those "volunteering" for Ranger units and Ranger school.....

I'm betting less and less will be wanting a Ranger Tab added to their uniform.

The ultra-left wing could not have picked a better military target to destroy military morale.

Special Forces & SEAL Teams are next. :munchin

[MtnGoat]

I would also like to see the records of those "volunteering" for Ranger units and Ranger school.....

I'm betting less and less will be wanting a Ranger Tab added to their uniform.

The ultra-left wing could not have picked a better military target to destroy military morale.

Special Forces & SEAL Teams are next. :munchin

You know it TS....

SEALS are the first, I don't remember the start date.

SFAS is RUMINT to be in April 2016.

So if SEALs are the first, and SF next. So when will the first 18X Female be signing up and processed through MEPS??

[bailaviborita]

Timeline for SF:

-SECDEF announces decision JAN
-congress does 30 day notification
-April, first SFAS class
-2018 they get to teams
-2022 they come back to SWCS as instructors to help- I mean mentor -other female SFers in the pipeline as mandated by DoD

So, first ones through only get 3 years on a team before they will be instructors.

[Dusty]

I'll never hang my head for being heteronormative.
Matter of fact, I wish you could get an "I'm Heteronormative and Proud" flag or coffee cup or something on Café Press.

[bailaviborita]

It's basically immoral to be heteronormative or ableist in most colleges today- if not de facto illegal. Soon the same for the military...

[MtnGoat]

Timeline for SF:

-SECDEF announces decision JAN
-congress does 30 day notification
-April, first SFAS class
-2018 they get to teams
-2022 they come back to SWCS as instructors to help- I mean mentor -other female SFers in the pipeline as mandated by DoD

So, first ones through only get 3 years on a team before they will be instructors.

36 months has long BEEN the STANDARD for Group that MUST fulfill their Group Requirements for SWC Positions.


Also what is the status on Female Officers?? Has SWC or SWTG changed their "regulation" on females attending the SFQC 18A Course? I ask because of Kate Wielder and what was done after her.

Thanks for the update. SMH = mandated by DoD

[bailaviborita]

36 months has long BEEN the STANDARD for Group that MUST fulfill their Group Requirements for SWC Positions.


Also what is the status on Female Officers?? Has SWC or SWTG changed their "regulation" on females attending the SFQC 18A Course? I ask because of Kate Wielder and what was done after her.

Thanks for the update. SMH = mandated by DoD

Not yet. Waiting on SECDEF "decision." I've heard either before Thanksgiving or right after the New Year. Either way- don't think it will be a surprise what his decision is...

[MtnGoat]

So to answer my own question it looks like about 6 showed up Monday give or take. The ARTB is being very tight lipped.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/11/04/without-fanfare-ranger-school-officially-opens-female-soldiers.html

Well 5 females started this Ranger class

3 failed day 1 - AFPT??!!! Hello!!

For the two remaining females.... both failed road march, then they all had to retesting land nav.

So for the first week ... no more females in this Ranger class

Sorry I got that other females receiving up to 8 months of special training. This just shows Irrefutable proof that this was not fair to these women and other women who go to Ranger school.

Also this does add to the fact that the 1st group of females "train-up" made a difference!!

[Team Sergeant]

Well 5 females started this Ranger class

3 failed day 1 - AFPT??!!! Hello!!

For the two remaining females.... both failed road march, then they all had to retesting land nav.



The DoD needs to lower those standards!!!!!

APFT, Landnav, road marches, who really needs all that in combat anyway? :munchin

[GreenSalsa]

... other females receiving up to 8 months of special training....

I know its a blinding flash of the obvious, but you know something just occurred to me. If you take that eight months of prep and the "four month long" course, the women have effectively spent 5% of their military career preparing for or in a SINGLE school.

I find that astounding...

[Chairborne64]

Well 5 females started this Ranger class

3 failed day 1 - AFPT??!!! Hello!!

For the two remaining females.... both failed road march, then they all had to retesting land nav.

So for the first week ... no more females in this Ranger class

Sorry I got that other females receiving up to 8 months of special training. This just shows Irrefutable proof that this was not fair to these women and other women who go to Ranger school.

Also this does add to the fact that the 1st group of females "train-up" made a difference!!

Glad to hear it. I was pretty confident that without special treatment there was no way they would make it. Even with special treatment 3-5 recycles and 5-6 months to pass. I think most females will take a pass on that. As Team SGT says though, time to lower the standards. Who needs to carry a ruck anymore or land NAV.

[MtnGoat]

The DoD needs to lower those standards!!!!!

APFT, Landnav, road marches, who really needs all that in combat anyway? :munchin

We have GPS's and Vehicles in today's Army!! Vehicles have the Computers for us to use too!!

[Razor]

Unit cohesion and small unit bonding are on the endangered species list anyhow, so what more harm can introducing the sexual tension dynamic do? I mean, the Army is just another job, right?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/05/opinion/from-army-of-one-to-band-of-tweeters.html?_r=0

[PRB]

Unit cohesion and small unit bonding are on the endangered species list anyhow, so what more harm can introducing the sexual tension dynamic do? I mean, the Army is just another job, right?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/05/opinion/from-army-of-one-to-band-of-tweeters.html?_r=0

I agree with the author...the constant email/tweet/cell connection take the guy out of the zone and 'make's him deal with issues at home...a foot in both is dangerous.

A few more Rangerette's and then we can have 'small unit bondage' instead. Ok, bad play on words.

[Team Sergeant]

So Riddle me this:

When "women/females" become the "combatants" what then are we fighting for?

:munchin





While America is going full retard, I'll be fishing.

[glebo]

So Riddle me this:

When "women/females" become the "combatants" what then are we fighting for?

:munchin





While America is going full retard, I'll be fishing.

Well now, it's for your brother or "sister" next to you I suppose...

[bailaviborita]

We'll be fighting to give the rest of the world the same rights that have made this country great: the right for a man who thinks he's a woman to go to the women's bathroom, the right to never be offended or feel bad, the right to feel safe because of gun-free zones, the right to self actualize, the right to have others pay for women to have sex, the right to have others pay for you to never have to live with the consequences of your actions, the right to be supported from cradle to grave, ...

The rest of the world needs those same things, once we have openly serving transsexuals and females in combat arms- want to bet we'll start vetting units and countries on the basis of how they treat their women and trannies? No more JCETs to more than 7/8ths of the world...

To free the oppressed takes on a new meaning...

[cbtengr]

So Riddle me this:

When "women/females" become the "combatants" what then are we fighting for?

:munchin





While America is going full retard, I'll be fishing.

I guess Mom and apple pie, unless they completely lift age requirements.

[ElevenBravo87]

Over the Memorial Day weekend I spent some days in the the north Georgia mountains, and the shortest path to where I like to camp is through the public lands that are used as the training area around Camp Merrill. One particular section of trail is a bit twisty and rocky and pretty damn steep. I was easing along in the early morning, and low and behold I roll by a platoon of ranger candidates doing some sort of administrative halt. About 4 humvees perched on the side of the road along one of those nasty ridges.

My first thought was to see if I could see any female candidates, but the sweat smeared facepaint and the massive rucks made that impossible. My second thought was jeesus, this is some steep ass terrain for a halt. I got a few nods back from the RIs, and up the road a bit, the PL was getting reviewed, and it didn't sound like it was going to be a go from what I heard when I rolled by. I humped a ruck a bit in that area, but never went to the school. I am still in awe of anyone's ability to get up and down those ridges with that kind of weight. Made me appreciate the beer and food all the more when I got to camp.

Since I got back I had been wondering if any more females had made it through since the first three. Some quick googling showed some failed out in Nov15, but nothing for 2016. I wonder if that's because there are so few that can meet the standard, or if they are just keeping it quiet compared to the overall women in the combat arms initiative.

[Chairborne64]

If you go back a few weeks to the army's testimony before the house they had to admit their has been 10 that have tried since last year. None have made it out of the first 3 days.

[Mills]

If you go back a few weeks to the army's testimony before the house they had to admit their has been 10 that have tried since last year. None have made it out of the first 3 days.

Need to get those flag officers out there to walk more patrols!

What a coathanger abortion. Not a single leader during this whole social experiment had the balls to fall on the sword and stand up to comrade zero and his radical agenda.

[glebo]

Need to get those flag officers out there to walk more patrols!

What a coathanger abortion. Not a single leader during this whole social experiment had the balls to fall on the sword and stand up to comrade zero and his radical agenda.

Oh, they usually do...AFTER they retire. Then they seem to grow a set...go figure..:eek:

[Mills]

Oh, they usually do...AFTER they retire. Then they seem to grow a set...go figure..:eek:

Panetta is a prime example.

He is now writing books and jumping on the "I told him so........" bandwagon.

Fuck them, Fuck all of them.

[Sohei]

I like the way they were cowards in office, yet after they leave...they gain backbones of titanium.:rolleyes:

[Chairborne64]

So today 10 females should have started Ranger school. All recently graduated from IBOLC. Does anybody have any visibility. I am very curios to see how they fare. They have had the exact same training that male Infantry officers have so they should do the same right? :rolleyes:

[Joker]

So today 10 females should have started Ranger school. All recently graduated from IBOLC. Does anybody have any visibility. I am very curios to see how they fare. They have had the exact same training that male Infantry officers have so they should do the same right? :rolleyes:

10 Disgusted Honor Grads from Ranger school, in record time.

[Box]

So Riddle me this:

When "women/females" become the "combatants" what then are we fighting for?

:munchin


...more paid maternity leave ?

[The Reaper]

...more paid maternity leave ?


12 weeks, when they get knocked, and SecDef is pushing for spousal maternity leave as well.

Bet that goes over great in the team room when they are getting ready to deploy, and New Daddy asks for time off with his new baby, and mama won't make the deployment at all.

Hey, remember when the purpose of the Army was to deter by threat of killing the enemy and breaking things?

I don't think we will get too much global street cred under these new policies.

TR

[Badger52]

May not a problem with all the gays and transsexuals they are letting in. Heterosexual men no longer welcome.Adoption leave in 3, 2....

[Box]

You guys are getting all worked up about nothing. The Army's senior leaders have this under control.
Everything is going to work out.



Now get out there and vote for a more diverse, more inclusive, big hearted aMErica !!!
...clint0n for president

[cbtengr]

May not a problem with all the gays and transsexuals they are letting in. Heterosexual men no longer welcome.

Are you under the impression those folks don't have children?

[Hand]

Are you under the impression those folks don't have children?

*puke*

Evan Hempel started taking hormones in 2003 to physically become a transgender man, but he never lost the desire to carry a baby.

So five years ago, Hempel and his partner, a woman, decided that he would stop his testosterone injections and start trying artificial insemination with donor sperm. After a few failed attempts, Hempel became pregnant in late 2015, and gave birth to a son in the spring. His sister, Jessi, detailed the complicated relationship between masculinity as a transgender man and the feminine act of giving birth in this week’s issue of TIME.

[Mustang Man]

Evan Hempel started taking hormones in 2003 to physically become a transgender man, but he never lost the desire to carry a baby. So five years ago, Hempel and his partner, a woman, decided that he would stop his testosterone injections and start trying artificial insemination with donor sperm. After a few failed attempts, Hempel became pregnant in late 2015, and gave birth to a son in the spring. His sister, Jessi, detailed the complicated relationship between masculinity as a transgender man and the feminine act of giving birth in this week’s issue of TIME

Wait, so was the "he" a "she" before? Or "she" turned into a "he" and gave birth? Is the article accommodating the pronouns for the tranny?

I'm so confused, I want off this ride...

[frostfire]

*puke*

Evan Hempel started taking hormones in 2003 to physically become a transgender man, but he never lost the desire to carry a baby.

So five years ago, Hempel and his partner, a woman, decided that he would stop his testosterone injections and start trying artificial insemination with donor sperm. After a few failed attempts, Hempel became pregnant in late 2015, and gave birth to a son in the spring. His sister, Jessi, detailed the complicated relationship between masculinity as a transgender man and the feminine act of giving birth in this week’s issue of TIME.

*projectile vomitting*

why in the blankety blank did you post that? As if this election is not nauseating enough :mad:

Having been one to pick up the slack when coworker left for maternity, and then pick up another slack for post-maternity complication/child care....never mind, chivalry comes with a price

It still aggravates me though to remember conversation among LT and CPT of getting knocked up to get out of a challenging assignment :boohoo

[Chairborne64]

Well, maybe some of this silliness will now come to an end! TRUMP!:lifter

[PRB]

I know a guy might be in the running for SecDef...and yes, the social engineering would come to a screeching halt.

[Chairborne64]

My guess is that LTG (R) Flynn will be on a short list for SECDEF. I don't actually know him but we cannot get any worse. Actually from what I have heard about him I think it would be an awesome pick.

[PRB]

My guess is that LTG (R) Flynn will be on a short list for SECDEF. I don't actually know him but we cannot get any worse. Actually from what I have heard about him I think it would be an awesome pick.

Could be but I'm seeing Flynn in some kind of intel position...CIA/NSA etc. his core competency....who knows...as long as Ash goes south quickly.

[JimP]

My guess is that LTG (R) Flynn will be on a short list for SECDEF. I don't actually know him but we cannot get any worse. Actually from what I have heard about him I think it would be an awesome pick.

he's a pretty liberal guy; registered Dem.

[Chairborne64]

he's a pretty liberal guy; registered Dem.

Again, I don't know the guy. But it cannot get any worse. Actually, the more I think about it I think a retired officer has to be out of uniform for either 5 or 7 years before they can be SECDEF. PRB is probably correct though that he will get some sort of INTEL billet or maybe National Security Advisor.

[JimP]

Again, I don't know the guy. But it cannot get any worse. Actually, the more I think about it I think a retired officer has to be out of uniform for either 5 or 7 years before they can be SECDEF. PRB is probably correct though that he will get some sort of INTEL billet or maybe National Security Advisor.

Concur on not being any worse. can only get better. The current clown is all about getting trannies in the force and further reducing our combat-effectiveness.

[Chairborne64]

Looks like Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions is the inside bet on the next SECDEF. He is a very conservative guy. I am sure the fun & games will come to an end under his watch.

[doctom54]

Again, I don't know the guy. But it cannot get any worse. Actually, the more I think about it I think a retired officer has to be out of uniform for either 5 or 7 years before they can be SECDEF. PRB is probably correct though that he will get some sort of INTEL billet or maybe National Security Advisor.

The National Security Act of 1947 originally required an interval of ten years after relief from active duty, which was reduced to seven years by Sec. 903(a) of the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act.

I agree just about anyone would be an improvement.

[Badger52]

Looks like Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions is the inside bet on the next SECDEF. He is a very conservative guy. I am sure the fun & games will come to an end under his watch.13 yrs USAR and a Distinguished Eagle Scout, he's already over-qualified under the current "bar."
:D

[Chairborne64]

Not to hijack this thread back to its roots.:D But does anybody have visibility of the 8~10 Females who started Ranger school right before the election?

[TOMAHAWK9521]

A good buddy and his wife informed me that their daughter successfully completed basic, right after she ditched her crutches to prove she could drive on. How she got on the crutches baffles me. However, that's not the most troubling part of her start in the army.

The MOS she's going into isn't one she wanted but apparently she doesn't do well on tests and the ASVAB was no exception, so she's going into fueling operations to start out her career. Now one would think that she would be assigned to a basic training platoon where she would likely be among fellow recruits who would also be assigned to support units. No. Instead, she was assigned to an infantry basic training platoon, having to do everything infantry guys have to do. As a result, after graduation, she showed her folks how she lost all of her toenails due to cold injuries she incurred while in the field. This is one of the reasons why she was on crutches.

Now, I'm over in A-stan right now so I don't know how cold it was at Ft. Jackson this past fall. But I couldn't understand how in this touchy-feely day and age of the socially engineered military a recruit could suffer frost bite or some other cold injury. My questions as to 'where the hell the instructors were and didn't they monitor the trainees' could not be answered by her parents. Evidently, that basic training unit is under investigation for this and other issues. My friends are just proud that she proved to them that she could gut it out and drive on.

Then here mom asks if I got the email concerning the SHARPS incident that her daughter was unknowingly involved in. I told her I had not. She proceeded to fill me in on how two of the guys in her daughter's platoon have been arrested and charged with felonies for conspiracy to commit rape. I guess these two guys had been problem children for the platoon from the beginning and they were looking to broaden their horizons.

Although guys will boast about sexual conquests, these two were something else. They weren't subtle about their plans for my friends' daughter. Luckily, a handful of guys from the platoon confronted these two malcontents but they were apparently undeterred from their goal. So they were reported, investigated and arrested. One is already in prison and the other is awaiting trial. The young lady being targeted had no idea this was coming. She's as tough as she is pretty but I guess these guys had it all planned out.

Now, I have speculated as to why the army decided a very attractive 18 yr old female should be in an infantry basic platoon instead of putting her with her peers working towards similar MOSs. I believe she was meant to be a potential sacrifice on the altar of progressive ideology to further the agenda and damage the military. Whether or not the decision makers knew what was going to happen, I believe they set her up for failure. But by the Grace of God and the honorable actions of a few others, she was spared a horrifying experience.

I believe it was their daughter's AIT platoon sergeant who initiated the investigation of the basic training unit. He was understandably furious to find out what she had been put through just with the training and also that she was almost the victim of horrible conspiracy. I don't know if heads will roll but with the incoming administration, I hope no quarter is given with the parties responsible.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Wouldn't it be nice if "conspiracy to commit rape or sexual assault" went all the way to the top; and people like Ash-stain Carter and those under him were charged with a felony.

Glad to hear your friend's daughter didn't suffer because of this stupidity.

[Combat Diver]

I would question the Infantry basic as that is conducted at Ft Benning. Ft Jackson is support troops. Still good luck to the young lady.


CD

[PRB]

I would question the Infantry basic as that is conducted at Ft Benning. Ft Jackson is support troops. Still good luck to the young lady.


CD

This...all Infantry training is conducted at Ft. Benning. She may have meant she was injured during their field/Infantry combat orientation training.

[TOMAHAWK9521]

This...all Infantry training is conducted at Ft. Benning. She may have meant she was injured during their field/Infantry combat orientation training.

Yeah, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of an infantry basic training platoon anywhere but Benning. I think my friend's wife misspoke on that part. Her oldest son joined up a couple years ago and is in a scout platoon in the 82nd so I thought she would know the difference.

[TACJAM]

Yeah, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of an infantry basic training platoon anywhere but Benning. I think my friend's wife misspoke on that part. Her oldest son joined up a couple years ago and is in a scout platoon in the 82nd so I thought she would know the difference.

I have no idea how initial entry training works these days, but 30+ years ago, I went through BCT conducted by the 4th Infantry Training Bde. at Ft. Knox, though not as an 11 series. It was, perhaps informally, referred to as "Infantry Basic." At the time, Knox was otherwise One Station Unit Training (OSUT) for armor MOSs and Benning was OSUT for infantry MOSs. IIRC, my basic training class consisted of a hodge-podge of various combat support and combat service support trainees with MOSs that likely weren't numerous enough to have their own OSUT. So, we did our 8 weeks BCT then shipped out with the four winds to our various AIT stations.

Maybe something similar occurred with your friend's daughter.

[Badger52]

I have no idea how initial entry training works these days, but 30+ years ago...We can all go back to certain eras; in my case women in the Army were called WACs and only started life (IIRC) at Ft McClellan, AL. Apples, pomegranites & oranges and, to come...?

Back to apples, or some new "fruit du jour"? (which I doubt given the recent leadership choices by the PEOTUS).
:cool:

[Kat]

As usual, both articles spewed incorrect information and propaganda in regards to the whole situation and assessment process.

These women are NOT going through training for an "elite special forces branch" or actually attending Ranger School proper. Nor are they going to be assigned to serve as a Army Ranger/75th Ranger Regiment. Fricking clueless.

The people who wrote those articles are complete and total morons and obviously do not know how to conduct any type of credible research, as so-called journalists. But what can you expect, especially Cosmo?

Man, the whole thing gets my blood boiling. The day the first female actually "graduates" Ranger School, is the day the class prior can truly say: "Theirs Was The Last Hard Class".

Pro fem magazine, promoting the latest in G-spot searches and ways to "have adventurous sex with out feeling like a slut" is not going to understand much. That being said how about a decent interview, with real sources? The "nuances" of truth are lost on them obviously, very sad. Then this rubbish is repeated, recirculated and taken as truth everywhere.

[ElevenBravo87]

Wasn't sure this was worthy of a new thread, so I will just add it here. Came across my news feeds this AM with a release date of today, the 27th.

http://popularmilitary.com/us-army-opens-special-forces-women-enlist/

Salient part -

Just a week after the first female officer completed the selection process to join the Army’s Ranger regiment, the Army has officially opened Special Forces to women willing to enlist.

The US Army recruiting command (USAREC) informed its recruiters, via email, that the 18x (Special Forces) military occupation specialty (MOS) has been opened to females this morning.

Checked Goarmy.com and it shows 18x for females, but I don't know if it had already been showing that based on last year's information.

http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/intelligence-and-combat-support/special-forces-candidate.html

I thought maybe there would be someone here that could confirm the referenced USAREC email.

-Jay

[WarriorDiplomat]

Wasn't sure this was worthy of a new thread, so I will just add it here. Came across my news feeds this AM with a release date of today, the 27th.

http://popularmilitary.com/us-army-opens-special-forces-women-enlist/

Salient part -

Just a week after the first female officer completed the selection process to join the Army’s Ranger regiment, the Army has officially opened Special Forces to women willing to enlist.

The US Army recruiting command (USAREC) informed its recruiters, via email, that the 18x (Special Forces) military occupation specialty (MOS) has been opened to females this morning.

Checked Goarmy.com and it shows 18x for females, but I don't know if it had already been showing that based on last year's information.

http://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/browse-career-and-job-categories/intelligence-and-combat-support/special-forces-candidate.html

I thought maybe there would be someone here that could confirm the referenced USAREC email.

-Jay

Yes it is true females can try out to be Special Forces the first one quit in SFAS the next two are in the spring class not sure which one unless Jim Mattis reverses this stupidity. Note that no other have come close to graduating Ranger school an easier task IMO than the SFQC since the social agenda was first instituted and GEN Scott Miller isn't there to make sure its successful.

I suspect without the liberal establishment there may be no more pass as I am sure that Mattis will stand behind harder standards as it used to be and not gender neutral (easier for men) as it is now.

[18C4V]

Our SFRE/SFAD tryouts for 5-19th is open to females which mirrors the same life support as in SFAS. So far no takers yet.

[Chairborne64]

I just confirmed that of the 15 Female Infantry Officers (those that graduated IBOLC plus some others that were allowed to branch transfer) that the started Ranger school none made it to the mountains. That means they are 0-25 since the school has become "integrated." The only 3 to graduate were in the special "test" class.

[abc_123]

I just confirmed that of the 15 Female Infantry Officers (those that graduated IBOLC plus some others that were allowed to branch transfer) that the started Ranger school none made it to the mountains. That means they are 0-25 since the school has become "integrated." The only 3 to graduate were in the special "test" class.

People could really start jumping to conclusions if you keep posting facts like that.

[scooter]

Interesting that these women want to be Infantry Officers due to the perceived ability to go further in their careers.... Without a Ranger Tab, no Infantry Officer is going to be a Battalion Commander, full stop.

[abc_123]

Interesting that these women want to be Infantry Officers due to the perceived ability to go further in their careers.... Without a Ranger Tab, no Infantry Officer is going to be a Battalion Commander, full stop.

There are certain units where you won't even be a platoon leader without a Ranger tab.... or at least that's how it used to work.

[scooter]

There are certain units where you won't even be a platoon leader without a Ranger tab.... or at least that's how it used to work.

That's still the case for places like the 82nd or 101st, but where ever these ladies show up, they'll get platoons. Hell, they will probably get companies.

They will never, ever get BNs, presuming they even choose to stay around that long (which is a big if).

[abc_123]

That's still the case for places like the 82nd or 101st, but where ever these ladies show up, they'll get platoons. Hell, they will probably get companies.

They will never, ever get BNs, presuming they even choose to stay around that long (which is a big if).


never, ever.... ?? Somehow I can't share your degree of certainty.

[Box]

ha...

I expect just the opposite of never ever

[scooter]

ha...

I expect just the opposite of never ever

......Ever never?

[Chairborne64]

That's still the case for places like the 82nd or 101st, but where ever these ladies show up, they'll get platoons. Hell, they will probably get companies.

They will never, ever get BNs, presuming they even choose to stay around that long (which is a big if).

It was that way back in the day in the 7th ID(L). I remember as a student in the then Infantry Officer Basic Course. A battalion commander who was going to the pre-command course at Benning got all of us going to Fort Ord and basically told us don't even bother to show up unless we had a Ranger tab. Once I got out there it was true. There were zero line company commanders without the tab. You might get a rifle platoon but you were made fun of and expected to go back to Ranger school at the earliest opportunity.

[PRB]

Yes, but the rules have changed...it wouldn't be fair not to allow them a Company or Bn Command based simply upon a Tab. That would be applying a standard of some type and that's not fair.

[Divemaster]

It was that way back in the day in the 7th ID(L). I remember as a student in the then Infantry Officer Basic Course. A battalion commander who was going to the pre-command course at Benning got all of us going to Fort Ord and basically told us don't even bother to show up unless we had a Ranger tab. Once I got out there it was true. There were zero line company commanders without the tab. You might get a rifle platoon but you were made fun of and expected to go back to Ranger school at the earliest opportunity.

I got my Ranger School slot as an E-4 in a 7th ID(L) scout platoon. We even had guys from the mortars and TOWs getting slots. One interesting historical note from that time. At least for the enlisted guys, jump school would immediately preceed Ranger School, even though the guys going would come back to their leg duty positions. The leadership quickly figured out that some guys were getting their jump wings then (intentionally) failing the Ranger PT or swim test. So by the time I got to go, jump school was a follow-on reward for earning the tab. Ah, the joy of being a leg ranger for those three weeks.

[bailaviborita]

It will be interesting. Supposedly half go to the 82nd and half go to mech land- Hood I think- where you don't have to have a tab. So, yes, will be interesting if the 82nd changes. If they do- then everyone will know it's all talk and there won't be any respect until maybe they start putting in lots of tabless males and everyone forgets what it was like once.

[Razor]

It looks like Special K (Kristen Griest, the Army's 1st manufactured female infantry officer) has migrated from ARTB to be an A/S3 in 2-505. At least she has a tab, I suppose.

[Chairborne64]

It looks like Special K (Kristen Griest, the Army's 1st manufactured female infantry officer) has migrated from ARTB to be an A/S3 in 2-505. At least she has a tab, I suppose.

You are correct. The other one, Shaver I think, is also in the 82nd assigned to the 3rd BCT though it also lists her as a student in the Maneuver Captains Career Course so that might be her follow-on. Getting both of their precious Tabbed Females in the 82nd.

[Chairborne64]

I got my Ranger School slot as an E-4 in a 7th ID(L) scout platoon. We even had guys from the mortars and TOWs getting slots. One interesting historical note from that time. At least for the enlisted guys, jump school would immediately preceed Ranger School, even though the guys going would come back to their leg duty positions. The leadership quickly figured out that some guys were getting their jump wings then (intentionally) failing the Ranger PT or swim test. So by the time I got to go, jump school was a follow-on reward for earning the tab. Ah, the joy of being a leg ranger for those three weeks.


I remember when that happened. I had a couple of my troops go through that way. Where you one of the COHORT crew?

[Divemaster]

I remember when that happened. I had a couple of my troops go through that way. Where you one of the COHORT crew?

If my memory is correct, we the first battalion size COHORT, comprised of two basic training companies. In basic we even had 3/9 pt uniforms rather than the Army standard. I believe they had only done company sized cohorts previously.

[Razor]

You are correct. The other one, Shaver I think, is also in the 82nd assigned to the 3rd BCT though it also lists her as a student in the Maneuver Captains Career Course so that might be her follow-on. Getting both of their precious Tabbed Females in the 82nd.

Has Haver branch transferred to Infantry as well, or is she still an Aviation officer?

[Chairborne64]

No, she branched transferred. Isn't that special, of course no male would EVER be allowed to branch transfer from being an Apache pilot to an Infantry officer. Nice to know that they are being treated exactly equal. :mad:

[Old Dog New Trick]

So when these wimins get an unsatisfactory OER for performance or become mission incapable due to stress fractures or some other reason and cause a platoon or company to miss movement...

How is this going to improve their long term promotion eligibility? (Or is that not even a consideration - medically unqualified - 100% disability)

[bailaviborita]

Nothing that a one year tour as a generals aide or XO or some other special staff position wouldn't fix...

[Joker]

I have several that were very successful XOs for BGs, MGs, and LTGs not get promoted to the next rank and retire. I have even seen some CAG O6s (not that CAG, but Commander's Action Group) not get promoted.

But this one, this one, is Special...

[Razor]

No, she branched transferred.

Ah, so like Griest she too was "manufactured" as she didn't meet several of the branch transfer requirements codified in MILPER MSG 16-096, but the Army made it happen regardless:

1) Haver is YG 12; requirement established in MSG is YGs 14 & 15
2) Haver didn't attend IBOLC or ABOLC prior to attending MCCC as required in para. 4.B.
3) Haver didn't serve a minimum of 1 year as an Infantry PL prior to MCCC attendanced as required in para. 4.B.

I'm sure there's a square peg/round hole joke somewhere in all this.

[Chairborne64]

Ah, so like Griest she too was "manufactured" as she didn't meet several of the branch transfer requirements codified in MILPER MSG 16-096, but the Army made it happen regardless:

1) Haver is YG 12; requirement established in MSG is YGs 14 & 15
2) Haver didn't attend IBOLC or ABOLC prior to attending MCCC as required in para. 4.B.
3) Haver didn't serve a minimum of 1 year as an Infantry PL prior to MCCC attendanced as required in para. 4.B.

I'm sure there's a square peg/round hole joke somewhere in all this.

That is my point. She was treated EXACTLY like any male officer, NOT!!!:mad:

[Razor]

That is my point. She was treated EXACTLY like any male officer, NOT!!!:mad:

Yup, and that's why I repeat this story whenever possible--to ensure everyone knows and remembers the truth behind the Army's first two female Infantry officers, and understands that the promise that 'standards will not change to accommodate gender integration' isn't worth the hot air spent in lying about it.

[miclo18d]

Ah, so like Griest she too was "manufactured" as she didn't meet several of the branch transfer requirements codified in MILPER MSG 16-096, but the Army made it happen regardless:

1) Haver is YG 12; requirement established in MSG is YGs 14 & 15
2) Haver didn't attend IBOLC or ABOLC prior to attending MCCC as required in para. 4.B.
3) Haver didn't serve a minimum of 1 year as an Infantry PL prior to MCCC attendanced as required in para. 4.B.

I'm sure there's a square peg/round hole joke somewhere in all this.
WOW! It makes me think whoever pushed that through WANTS her to fail. She has already been through a third of her career without ONCE maneuvering a combat element (Ranger school is NOT an infantry maneuver course, it is a leadership suckfest). Has never set foot in a service school to even teach you (I'm going to date myself here) 7-8 or 7-10. She will be so far behind the power curve and her "peers" (I don't fully understand all that YG stuff) that she would probably fail whatever they call an ARTEP nowadays.

But, I'd bet she gives a damn good SHARP briefing and makes a fine cup-a-Joe!

[tst43]

I have a son who graduates and commissions into active duty (through ROTC) this May. He has a 3.6 GPA, has rave reviews from his instructors, and always scores 300+ on the PT extended scale. He desperately wanted to branch infantry, but was given ordnance instead (for reasons known only to Army branch personnel management, but some suggested it may have been due to shifting gender-preference sands within the combat arms branches). While he was disappointed, he told me that "the Army never promised me the branch of my choice, or active duty for that matter. The Army honored its commitment to me, I am going to honor my commitment to it by being the best ordnance officer I can possibly be." Its odd when a son teaches the father some things.

[Peregrino]

I have a son who graduates and commissions into active duty (through ROTC) this May. He has a 3.6 GPA, has rave reviews from his instructors, and always scores 300+ on the PT extended scale. He desperately wanted to branch infantry, but was given ordnance instead (for reasons known only to Army branch personnel management, but some suggested it may have been due to shifting gender-preference sands within the combat arms branches). While he was disappointed, he told me that "the Army never promised me the branch of my choice, or active duty for that matter. The Army honored its commitment to me, I am going to honor my commitment to it by being the best ordnance officer I can possibly be." Its odd when a son teaches the father some things.

That's his problem - if it had been a 2.6 GPA, he'd be a shoo-in for Infantry. :p

[CDRODA396]

I have a son who graduates and commissions into active duty (through ROTC) this May. He has a 3.6 GPA, has rave reviews from his instructors, and always scores 300+ on the PT extended scale. He desperately wanted to branch infantry, but was given ordnance instead (for reasons known only to Army branch personnel management, but some suggested it may have been due to shifting gender-preference sands within the combat arms branches). While he was disappointed, he told me that "the Army never promised me the branch of my choice, or active duty for that matter. The Army honored its commitment to me, I am going to honor my commitment to it by being the best ordnance officer I can possibly be." Its odd when a son teaches the father some things.

What was his major? Summer Camp score? Infantry believe it or not, is VERY competitive.

There is usually a good reason why someone gets hit out of the blue, it just may take some digging to reveal it.

Good for him for taking the right attitude. I work on the 18A Committee and besides seeing a lot of 11's come through, every class tends to have the one or two guys that got hammered with Chemical Corps, Ordinance, etc. So, in a few years he can always hit selection, but not if he doesn't do well as a LT.

[miclo18d]

I have a son who graduates and commissions into active duty (through ROTC) this May. He has a 3.6 GPA, has rave reviews from his instructors, and always scores 300+ on the PT extended scale. He desperately wanted to branch infantry, but was given ordnance instead (for reasons known only to Army branch personnel management, but some suggested it may have been due to shifting gender-preference sands within the combat arms branches). While he was disappointed, he told me that "the Army never promised me the branch of my choice, or active duty for that matter. The Army honored its commitment to me, I am going to honor my commitment to it by being the best ordnance officer I can possibly be." Its odd when a son teaches the father some things.

He can always go SPecial Forces no matter what his branch!

[The Reaper]

There is a pretty rigorous screening of officers in a very narrow window to get the opportunity to attend SFAS.

It is almost impossible for an officer to return if he doesn't make it the first time. The time line is too short.

It was possible, at one time, for a General Officer to personally select an officer to attend SFAS without being previously selected by the officer board. Still, that just got them a ticket to attend, not to be selected.

For the females, they will eventually get one to stay around long enough to complain that she was discriminated against and the politicians in uniform will make the exception. All standards can be lowered (or waived) over time. Or she will sue, like the only woman every to attend the SFQC did.

TR

[1stindoor]

That's his problem - if it had been a 2.6 GPA, he'd be a shoo-in for Infantry. :p

I would be angry and insulted...if my GPA would have been that high.

[Swoop]

[ Or she will sue, like the only woman every to attend the SFQC did.]

Actually she attended the SF Officers Course, the SFQC was for enlisted only back then but there's sure to be some lawsuits.

[tst43]

What was his major? Summer Camp score? Infantry believe it or not, is VERY competitive.

There is usually a good reason why someone gets hit out of the blue, it just may take some digging to reveal it.

Good for him for taking the right attitude. I work on the 18A Committee and besides seeing a lot of 11's come through, every class tends to have the one or two guys that got hammered with Chemical Corps, Ordinance, etc. So, in a few years he can always hit selection, but not if he doesn't do well as a LT.

You are absolutely correct, sir. It was very competitive. I think its been that way for quite some time now. He is hopeful that he will be assigned to the 82nd in a sustainment/ordnance unit, and hopefully get to go to Ranger school, so that if he makes selection, he will have some experience in an airborne unit. Any advice you could provide would not only be welcomed, but greatly appreciated.

[bailaviborita]

While he was disappointed, he told me that "the Army never promised me the branch of my choice, or active duty for that matter. The Army honored its commitment to me, I am going to honor my commitment to it by being the best ordnance officer I can possibly be." .

That's a good attitude for a youngster to have- although I'd say it's also naive to have it too long once he gets in. The Army is a bureaucracy and doesn't make decisions like a rational person would. The bureaucracy doesn't manage its personnel to best win wars - it manages personnel with a Taylorist industrial factory model wherein there are inputs and outputs and everyone is a number. The only exceptions it makes are when general officers request a bending of the rules - and even that sometimes doesn't break the bureaucracy 's will. Oh- or if there's political pressure to do something...

[Miles]

Two female Infantry officers set to graduate from Ranger School (http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/local/military/article141723384.html)



By Chuck Williams

Two female Infantry officers have completed U.S. Army Ranger School and are scheduled to be awarded the coveted tabs during Friday’s graduation ceremony at Victory Pond, a Fort Benning spokesman confirmed.

The Army did not release the names of the women, who will be among 119 soldiers to receive their tabs this week. The Army did confirm that they were both graduates of the Infantry Basic Officer Leaders Course.

“The Maneuver Center of Excellence focuses on training leaders every day through an array of professional military education and first-class functional training that results in increased readiness in the operation of the Army,” said Ben Garrett, Fort Benning spokesman. “We provide our soldiers with the necessary tools, doctrine and skill set so they are successful once they arrive at their units. This success is built on the quality of our instructions, professionalism of our instructors and the maintaining of standards in everything we do. The Ranger Course is an example of that commitment to excellence.”

They are the first women to complete the Army’s most demanding combat training school in almost 17 months.

Anyone with current contacts within the Ranger School have more info? How many women started RAP week vs made it through and started the course? How long it actually took for these two to make it through?
This was really kept close-hold.

[Joker]

They were formally known as Bob and Fred before gender reassignment.

Nope, they were Neil and Bob. :D

[frostfire]

He can always go SPecial Forces no matter what his branch!

Not for special branch unfortunately. JAG, amedd, chaplain.
...unless some general bends the rule

[Miles]

Nope, they were Neil and Bob. :D


Before I retired, that'd be a good joke. Now days? ewwww.

[Joker]

Before I retired, that'd be a good joke. Now days? ewwww.


It's a new Army, crap like that, and the subject of this thread, is now not only authorized but encouraged. :mad:

[JimP]

It's a new Army, crap like that, and the subject of this thread, is now not only authorized but encouraged. :mad:

Rog - I just read through the Transgender training requirements. I was pretty amazed. They are going (to make a pun) ram this down our throats.

Sadly, despite the rest of the world starting to understand the fraud that multiculturalism and integration of GILBERTS is, the military is pushing the toggles full-ahead. We have some interesting times ahead of us. It's no longer about man or woman, it is now about "gender identity markers" within DEERS.

I may try to get mine changed to "Dad". That will throw them.

Question: "What's your sex?"

Answer: "Dad".

Interviewer: "poor guy.....".

[bailaviborita]

https://areomagazine.com/2017/03/27/how-french-intellectuals-ruined-the-west-postmodernism-and-its-impact-explained/

HOW FRENCH “INTELLECTUALS” RUINED THE WEST: POSTMODERNISM AND ITS IMPACT, EXPLAINED

Postmodernism presents a threat not only to liberal democracy but to modernity itself. That may sound like a bold or even hyperbolic claim, but the reality is that the cluster of ideas and values at the root of postmodernism have broken the bounds of academia and gained great cultural power in western society. The irrational and identitarian “symptoms” of postmodernism are easily recognizable and much criticized, but the ethos underlying them is not well understood. This is partly because postmodernists rarely explain themselves clearly and partly because of the inherent contradictions and inconsistencies of a way of thought which denies a stable reality or reliable knowledge to exist. However, there are consistent ideas at the root of postmodernism and understanding them is essential if we intend to counter them. They underlie the problems we see today in Social Justice Activism, undermine the credibility of the Left and threaten to return us to an irrational and tribal “pre-modern” culture.

[PRB]

I have a son who graduates and commissions into active duty (through ROTC) this May. He has a 3.6 GPA, has rave reviews from his instructors, and always scores 300+ on the PT extended scale. He desperately wanted to branch infantry, but was given ordnance instead (for reasons known only to Army branch personnel management, but some suggested it may have been due to shifting gender-preference sands within the combat arms branches). While he was disappointed, he told me that "the Army never promised me the branch of my choice, or active duty for that matter. The Army honored its commitment to me, I am going to honor my commitment to it by being the best ordnance officer I can possibly be." Its odd when a son teaches the father some things.

He did nothing wrong....Mother Army decided a long time ago that the Infantry would not get all of the studs....they want all branches to have that type of Officer. When they make the 'stud' pile of records each branch gets a cut.

[tst43]

He did nothing wrong....Mother Army decided a long time ago that the Infantry would not get all of the studs....they want all branches to have that type of Officer. When they make the 'stud' pile of records each branch gets a cut.

CSM,

Your insight is greatly appreciated. As another esteemed member of this site pointed out, being an excellent Ordnance officer with excellent OERs can present him with some options. My hope at this point is that he gets to work with, and learn from, some excellent NCOs and Officers at his first duty station (which is thankfully Ft. Bragg).

[PRB]

CSM,

Your insight is greatly appreciated. As another esteemed member of this site pointed out, being an excellent Ordnance officer with excellent OERs can present him with some options. My hope at this point is that he gets to work with, and learn from, some excellent NCOs and Officers at his first duty station (which is thankfully Ft. Bragg).

A very good friend went O after 5 years enlisted, then ROTC...Ranger qual 11B P...Matt was a studs stud....on Commissioning he was also given an Ord. track.
He did great as an LT and young Cpt. then went SF and had a successful carreer retiring as an LTC.
Matt, imo, would have been competitive for 06 except for his age. The prior enlisted and ROTC put an extra 9 years in there.

[Team Sergeant]

Sure would like to see the stats on ranger school applications since a female passed....... ;)

[tst43]

A very good friend went O after 5 years enlisted, then ROTC...Ranger qual 11B P...Matt was a studs stud....on Commissioning he was also given an Ord. track.
He did great as an LT and young Cpt. then went SF and had a successful carreer retiring as an LTC.
Matt, imo, would have been competitive for 06 except for his age. The prior enlisted and ROTC put an extra 9 years in there.

CSM,

Thanks again. My son will be happy to hear that.