ISIS Threatening to behead former US Army Ranger.

[YM Cating]

It appears IS has captured a former Ranger who, after leaving the service, formed his own aid company and went back to the middle east. How and when he was captured appear to be unknown at this time.

Let's see if Obama can live up to No Man Left Behind! Correction, let's pray that he can.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/peter-kassig-u-s-soldier-current-aid-worker-threatened-isis-victim-article-1.1962652

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/islamic-state-beheads-second-briton-threatens-to-kill-ex-us-army-ranger/2014/10/03/bf8b12d4-4b38-11e4-a046-120a8a855cca_story.html

http://isisstudygroup.com/

[cbtengr]

I appreciate his prior service however that being said, he was over there on his own and obviously had not prepared for his own personal security. I liken this to the ebola situation if you are an adult and you choose to put yourself in harms way and end up in a less than desirable situation why is that our problem?

[Flagg]

I appreciate his prior service however that being said, he was over there on his own and obviously had not prepared for his own personal security. I liken this to the ebola situation if you are an adult and you choose to put yourself in harms way and end up in a less than desirable situation why is that our problem?

Well, he IS an American.

So it is an American problem isn't it?

Just a question of to what degree of a problem it is, and to what extent efforts are made to recover him, hopefully alive and intact.

I would agree that IF "Big Boys Rules" are applied at the micro level in this specific case, then they should apply to the enemy as well at both the micro and macro levels.

I'm guessing the October 3rd announcement by ISIS seems more than just coincidental in this particular case.

[YM Cating]

I appreciate his prior service however that being said, he was over there on his own and obviously had not prepared for his own personal security. I liken this to the ebola situation if you are an adult and you choose to put yourself in harms way and end up in a less than desirable situation why is that our problem?

That may be so, or his arrangements were overpowered. Clearly they know who he was. This is our problem because they have made it our problem. Their intentions are clear. And any American taken hostage by a terrorist organization in any part of the world deserves the full support of this nation. Especially when that organization means to see us all burn.

They are making a statement. "We can take your people without consequence." How long do you really think it will be until they come to our land to take us from our homes? How long? How many more beheading's in Oklahoma? Bombings in Boston? Or buildings being brought down in New York?

If we allow them to kill our citizens, and our soldiers unmolested than we as a country have failed.

[cbtengr]

That may be so, or his arrangements were overpowered. Clearly they know who he was. This is our problem because they have made it our problem. Their intentions are clear. And any American taken hostage by a terrorist organization in any part of the world deserves the full support of this nation. Especially when that organization means to see us all burn.

They are making a statement. "We can take your people without consequence." How long do you really think it will be until they come to our land to take us from our homes? How long? How many more beheading's in Oklahoma? Bombings in Boston? Or buildings being brought down in New York?

If we allow them to kill our citizens, and our soldiers unmolested than we as a country have failed.

They cannot take our people without consequence, of course we do get to decide the consequences. I do not have to wonder how long it will be before they are in our land, they are here. As far as taking our land goes we are not going to sit back and rollover like they are used to. They are a pretty brave bunch when it comes to going up against an under armed populace of women, children and old men. They have underestimated us as a country.

[Oldrotorhead]

Well, he IS an American.

So it is an American problem isn't it?

Just a question of to what degree of a problem it is, and to what extent efforts are made to recover him, hopefully alive and intact.

I would agree that IF "Big Boys Rules" are applied at the micro level in this specific case, then they should apply to the enemy as well at both the micro and macro levels.

I'm guessing the October 3rd announcement by ISIS seems more than just coincidental in this particular case.

This might be true and if it is true why is there a Marine in jail in Mexico with very little active help from the US Government? Clearly this treatment has been well below what would be afforded a Mexican in a US jail.

At what point do the consequences fall on the person that created the situation?

[YM Cating]

They cannot take our people without consequence, of course we do get to decide the consequences. I do not have to wonder how long it will be before they are in our land, they are here. As far as taking our land goes we are not going to sit back and rollover like they are used to. They are a pretty brave bunch when it comes to going up against an under armed populace of women, children and old men. They have underestimated us as a country.

And yet they are. They anticipated airstrikes and adapted accordingly. We're barely scratching them. They feint one way, and strike targets in another. They've had terror cells in multiple countries start pledging their allegiance. They fluidly move from insurgent warfare, to maneuver, back to insurgent. They have a propaganda campaign so effective this Al Baghdadi could be the new Hitler. And here we sit, in shock, waiting to see what they do next.

We have allowed the enemy to dictate our actions, our tempo. It is us who have underestimated them. If they were to try to apply the same tactics here they would surely fail, we are far too well armed and organized. But if they were to get in with the gangs, use the prison system to convert violent gang members to Islam, and then use that to take gangs and essentially turn them into terror cells...Well then we would have a very serious problem.

Insurgency is the biggest threat. The infrastructure (gangs) is in place. Given their success with social media and this guy Nolen, who was in the prison system, converted to Islam, and bought into their pitch. I'd say that served as an excellent test case. Now all they have to do is intentionally do it.

I think we need a serious show of force. We should start by finding this Ranger and getting him out, and wasting every IS mofo in the AO.

Playtime is over, let's go kick some ass.

[YM Cating]

This might be true and if it is true why is there a Marine in jail in Mexico with very little active help from the US Government? Clearly this treatment has been well below what would be afforded a Mexican in a US jail.

At what point do the consequences fall on the person that created the situation?

True accept for one thing...If the Mexican were Illegal, he wouldn't be in a jail. He'd be at the local strip club spending your money.

Remember, it's racist to throw illegals in jail.

[Oldrotorhead]

True accept for one thing...If the Mexican were Illegal, he wouldn't be in a jail. He'd be at the local strip club spending your money.

Remember, it's racist to throw illegals in jail.

I wouldn't think of throwing them in jail....................the river maybe, but not jail!:D And I MIGHT THINK about not giving them welfare.
Isn't is racist for thise greasers to keep an Italian American in jail?

[cbtengr]

And yet they are. They anticipated airstrikes and adapted accordingly. We're barely scratching them. They feint one way, and strike targets in another. They've had terror cells in multiple countries start pledging their allegiance. They fluidly move from insurgent warfare, to maneuver, back to insurgent. They have a propaganda campaign so effective this Al Baghdadi could be the new Hitler. And here we sit, in shock, waiting to see what they do next.

We have allowed the enemy to dictate our actions, our tempo. It is us who have underestimated them. If they were to try to apply the same tactics here they would surely fail, we are far too well armed and organized. But if they were to get in with the gangs, use the prison system to convert violent gang members to Islam, and then use that to take gangs and essentially turn them into terror cells...Well then we would have a very serious problem.

Insurgency is the biggest threat. The infrastructure (gangs) is in place. Given their success with social media and this guy Nolen, who was in the prison system, converted to Islam, and bought into their pitch. I'd say that served as an excellent test case. Now all they have to do is intentionally do it.

I think we need a serious show of force. We should start by finding this Ranger and getting him out, and wasting every IS mofo in the AO.

Playtime is over, let's go kick some ass.

And your MOS and the unit you are assigned to is ?? What ultimately happens to ISIS is not up to us. There is no WE here that I can see this is all in the hands of? Yes that's right the POTUS and he is no Harry Truman.

[The Reaper]

I have to say, if I were a guest of IS, I am pretty sure I would rather be hit with a JDAM than have my head sawed off on video.

YMMV.

TR

[Flagg]

This might be true and if it is true why is there a Marine in jail in Mexico with very little active help from the US Government? Clearly this treatment has been well below what would be afforded a Mexican in a US jail.

At what point do the consequences fall on the person that created the situation?

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-marine-mexico-20141002-story.html

It sounds like he MIGHT be coming home soon.

And it sounds like he may have lacked situation awareness for weapons carriage so close to a foreign and hostile country.

Aren't folks at risk of going to jail if they are pulled over legally carrying weapons in one state and illegally in the next?

What happens if someone accidentally crosses from Pennsylvania into New Jersey with a pistol and gets pulled over?

Does this differ from getting pinched by the Mexicans in Mexico?

While I agree with the "big boys rules" and I would think someone who served in Ranger Regiment( even just for a reasonably short period of time ) would have a better idea than most, I'd think a former Ranger working in a semi-to-non permissive area is probably going to be more effective at their role and less likely to be pinched by the bad guys than the average Peace Corps or NGO type.

So if those assumptions are reasonable, I'd be thinking he's worth investing FAR more in recovery than a piece of rubbish like Harmeet Singh Sooden.

[YM Cating]

And your MOS and the unit you are assigned to is ?? What ultimately happens to ISIS is not up to us. There is no WE here that I can see this is all in the hands of? Yes that's right the POTUS and he is no Harry Truman.

I am a citizen of this country, that makes it as much my problem and my responsibility as anyone else. I don't need to be in the military to understand that I have a duty to this country. So yes, there is a we. The preamble to the constitution states quite clearly that we the people are responsible for providing for the common defense of this nation, among many other things. This country was founded on "we." When push comes to shove it's everyone's fight. And that's not a choice.

Yes our POTUS is weak, but that doesn't mean we must follow in suit. We can still make demands of our government. Whether they go unheeded is another matter, but we must make those demands, if for no other reason than to act when they are not met.

Allowing an American, especially one who has served this nation, to die by the hand of an enemy because we did nothing, makes all of us responsible, you, me, the neighbor down the street. Everyone. We don't have to succeed in getting our government to fight for the principle that no man shall be left behind, but we have to try.

[Richard]

MOO, but any Westerner who willfully travels to such a conflicted area not on official "We, the people" governmental business, and in spite of the numerous reports and warnings, knowing full well the historical situation there and our limited influence and access, is telling our collective governments:

"Thank you very much for the information; I fully understand the risks but I'm checking the block which waives those reasonably implied 'guarantees' of my personal safety, absolving y'all of any responsibility in the matter, and going to do what I want to do anyway."

So be it.

RE: #4, #7 and #13. I may be in error, but it sounds to me as if the "we" being tossed around so freely, used in the context of such statements, means somebody else.

That being said, based upon my experiences, the supposition that "we" are doing little to nothing to attempt to resolve the dire straits in which this particular citizen placed himself, even if he checked that waiver box, is naive in the extreme.

Richard

[The Reaper]

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-marine-mexico-20141002-story.html

....And it sounds like he may have lacked situation awareness for weapons carriage so close to a foreign and hostile country.

Aren't folks at risk of going to jail if they are pulled over legally carrying weapons in one state and illegally in the next?

What happens if someone accidentally crosses from Pennsylvania into New Jersey with a pistol and gets pulled over?


Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, "Safe Passage" provision theoretically protects citizens briefly transiting states with a secured and unloaded firearm.
MOO, but any Westerner who willfully travels to such a conflicted area not on official "We, the people" governmental business, and in spite of the numerous reports and warnings, knowing full well the historical situation there and our limited influence and access, is telling our collective governments:

"Thank you very much for the information; I fully understand the risks but I'm checking the block which waives those reasonably implied 'guarantees' of my personal safety, absolving y'all of any responsibility in the matter, and going to do what I want to do anyway."

So be it.

RE: #4, #7 and #13. I may be in error, but it sounds to me as if the "we" being tossed around so freely, used in the context of such statements, means somebody else.

That being said, based upon my experiences, the supposition that "we" are doing little to nothing to attempt to resolve the dire straits in which this particular citizen placed himself, even if he checked that waiver box, is naive in the extreme.

Richard

Richard, I tend to agree with you on this one.

Same for our citizens or residents traveling to Ebola infested areas.

Daniel Pearl was the wake-up call. Everyone since has known the potential consequences.

TR

[Stobey]

I have to say, if I were a guest of IS, I am pretty sure I would rather be hit with a JDAM than have my head sawed off on video.

YMMV.

TR


I really like your style, TR! (And personally, I would agree - and take out not only me, but as many of the SOBs as possible! So I would call for a 6,000 pounder. Definitely preferable to a starring role in their next snuff muzzie-porno video.)

[1stindoor]

I don't need to be in the military to understand that I have a duty to this country.
You're right....BUT, I think you do have to be in the military at some point to appreciate the cost of that duty.

[YM Cating]

You're right....BUT, I think you do have to be in the military at some point to appreciate the cost of that duty.

Can't argue there.

[69harley]

Does anyone know how many Americans are currently being held by IS?

[T-Rock]

It appears the pedophilic savages have beheaded US Army veteran Peter Kassig :mad:

Link > http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/11/islamic-state-releases-video-showing-beheading-of-us-hostage-kassig

Edited to add....

Islam is the Petri dish that allows vile pathogens to grow and flourish..

Spencer was right, it wasn't up very long, however, if you want to know how they justify it, all you need to do is read the Quran...

The video is here. Warning: it is extremely graphic, and will not be up long. If you catch it while it is still up and want to skip the beheadings (there are many, not just of Kassig, then stop watching around the 9:30 mark, as the beheadings are shown in full, and then Kassig’s severed head at the feet of the British Muslim who issues the final warning. I put the link here because the video shows the Islamic State’s global aspirations, and how it justifies them by reference to Islamic teachings, and indeed how the Islamic State jihadis explain and justify everything they do by reference to Islamic texts and teachings — for example, the beheader says that Kassig fought against the Muslims as a U.S. soldier in Iraq, which means he is an “American Crusader” and can be lawfully put to death, despite his subsequent conversion to Islam.

To continue to ignore the Islamic State’s stated motives and goals, and to pretend that they are other than what they are, is nothing short of suicidal. This ideology has to be confronted, and it is held by more people than just the members of the Islamic State.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/11/islamic-state-releases-video-showing-beheading-of-us-hostage-kassig

[Five-O]

I have to say, if I were a guest of IS, I am pretty sure I would rather be hit with a JDAM than have my head sawed off on video.

YMMV.

TR

I would sign off on a document to that effect during pre deployment prep. That said, if it was possible "we" should have made an effort to recover him.

[Lighthouse]

LTC(R) Peters reminds of me of when TR was saying You don't tell them you don't have a strategy even if you don't really have one.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/11/16/new-isis-video-purportedly-shows-beheading-american-hostage-peter-kassig/

[echoes]

It appears the pedophilic savages have beheaded US Army veteran Peter Kassig :mad:...

Rest-in-Peace Soldier.

Hope the US military brings those responsible for this unthinkable act of terror to justice! And hope it is painful and long for them, and they cry out to their god when they see HELL!

Holly:(

[Lighthouse]

IMO, they were never going to do anything good with Peter Kassig. He was not only a Soldier but a Ranger who was aiding people in the ME. They couldn't let any example of good coming from westerners to remain. Wouldn't that hurt their cause?

[NurseTim]

Why is no one using his mooselimb name? He converted didn't he?

[The Reaper]

Why is no one using his mooselimb name? He converted didn't he?

Most of us probably would pretend to as well, if you were being tortured and mock executed multiple times per day.

You might want to do some reading on how they are treating their captives, and consider how you would react in that situation.

TR

[T-Rock]

Exactly. I don't care who you are or how bad you really are EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE has a breaking point.



Truth.....

I do not believe he converted to to the religion of pieces...

You gotta do what you gotta do to create an opportunity to get out of the situation at hand....

Requiescat in pace Ranger Kassig...

[Surgicalcric]

MOO, but any Westerner who willfully travels to such a conflicted area not on official "We, the people" governmental business, and in spite of the numerous reports and warnings, knowing full well the historical situation there and our limited influence and access, is telling our collective governments:

"Thank you very much for the information; I fully understand the risks but I'm checking the block which waives those reasonably implied 'guarantees' of my personal safety, absolving y'all of any responsibility in the matter, and going to do what I want to do anyway."

So be it.

RE: #4, #7 and #13. I may be in error, but it sounds to me as if the "we" being tossed around so freely, used in the context of such statements, means somebody else.

That being said, based upon my experiences, the supposition that "we" are doing little to nothing to attempt to resolve the dire straits in which this particular citizen placed himself, even if he checked that waiver box, is naive in the extreme.

Richard

Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986, "Safe Passage" provision theoretically protects citizens briefly transiting states with a secured and unloaded firearm.


Richard, I tend to agree with you on this one.

Same for our citizens or residents traveling to Ebola infested areas.

Daniel Pearl was the wake-up call. Everyone since has known the potential consequences.

TR

Well said Rickard and TR.

[craigepo]

I really hope that all of the Western Muslim apologists are watching IS's actions.

It is hard to imagine, in this day and time, a religion that endorses beheading people solely because they entertain different beliefs. Why is there no parade of moderate Muslims condemning this? Beheading an aid worker? Really?

If this type of belief is truly the shared belief of the Islamic State, then the civilized nations of the world, assuming they have a conscience, should be surrounding any areas with a concentration of IS troops and bombing the place to glass. Infantry should follow-on for mop-up operations. Think William Tecumseh Sherman to the 10th power.

These people are the most atrocious type of criminal-nothing more. They should be excised like a cancer from the face of the planet.

[MR2]

If this type of belief is truly the shared belief of the Islamic State, then the civilized nations of the world, assuming they have a conscience, should be surrounding any areas with a concentration of IS troops and bombing the place to glass. Infantry should follow-on for mop-up operations. Think William Tecumseh Sherman to the 10th power.

FIX, Bayonet!

[The Reaper]

You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out.

-W.T. Sherman

[Lighthouse]

I really hope that all of the Western Muslim apologists are watching IS's actions.

Most Western Clerics refuse to condemn any extremists actions deeming it as the will of Allah because the Koran teaches eye for an eye justice.

The Foreign policy of appeasement has already been shown historically as counterproductive. It's eerily similar to how Hitler came to power with ISIS.

[craigepo]

Most Western Clerics refuse to condemn any extremists actions deeming it as the will of Allah because the Koran teaches eye for an eye justice.


Just an educational point on the "eye for an eye" text. This rule is found in Deuteronomy 19. This entire chapter was to setup a part of the Jewish justice system, and this passage dealt specifically with people who bore false witness in court.

The entire text reads: "If a malicious witness takes the stand to accuse someone of a crime, the two people involved in the dispute must stand in the presence of the Lord before the priests and the judges who are in office at the time. The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a liar, giving false testimony against a fellow Israelite, then do to the false witness as that witness intended to do to the other party. You must purge the evil from among you. The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you. Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."

Placed into context, the "eye for an eye" statement makes a lot more sense, and shows that the common usage of the passage is historically ignorant.

Additionally, nothing the Islamic State does could be confused for justice in any civilized society.

[Lighthouse]

Just an educational point on the "eye for an eye" text. This rule is found in Deuteronomy 19. This entire chapter was to setup a part of the Jewish justice system, and this passage dealt specifically with people who bore false witness in court.

The entire text reads: "If a malicious witness takes the stand to accuse someone of a crime, the two people involved in the dispute must stand in the presence of the Lord before the priests and the judges who are in office at the time. The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a liar, giving false testimony against a fellow Israelite, then do to the false witness as that witness intended to do to the other party. You must purge the evil from among you. The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you. Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot."

Placed into context, the "eye for an eye" statement makes a lot more sense, and shows that the common usage of the passage is historically ignorant.

Additionally, nothing the Islamic State does could be confused for justice in any civilized society.

I never knew the roots of that saying. I knew it was religious connected but never knew or would have guessed it came from Judaism.

You're are right to point out my ignorant usage. I was attempting to simplify their way of thinking. I just watched a report on Anjem Choudary who not only refuses who condemn acts of violence from muslims from considers and teaches muslims any act of violence against westerners is justified by the invasion of iraq and afghanistan. This guy is just one example. New York City is beginning to look a lot like West England too. There are moving in and taking over slowly.

Articles like this freak me out http://speisa.com/modules/articles/index.php/item.347/the-muslim-brotherhood-launches-ita%80%99s-own-political-party-in-us-just-in-time-for-2016.html

Not saying that speisa.com is credible. Just the thought is enough to cause worry.

[angus mac]

:confused:Why is no one using his mooselimb name? He converted didn't he?

I was not in this situation;but I pray to my beloved Lord that He gives me the strength to keep my faith if and when my time comes.Yes I read where he converted and the rags failed to honor their own teachings."Bullshit,we ain't taking no prisoners".