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Jerry4463
10-31-2013, 19:01
I was wondering if anyone knows of a quality medical training group specializing in combat medicine. It seems that with all the private military training available these days (CRI, Academi, etc.) there is not a medical equivalent. Any information is appreciated.

JJ_BPK
11-01-2013, 05:50
The Special Forces 18D Medic's training approaches that of a Physicians Assistant, exceeds that of an RN. The breath of their education covers all medical emergencies, from wound trauma, to dental, to child birth, to animal husbandry. It takes years.

You are not going to find that caliber of medical education in a 2 week wanna-B-camp.

:lifter

You could take all the various courses that are offered to EMT rescue and you would end up with a good basic medical education.

Even the later will take years to accumulate.


You personally need to read and search the fora before you ask questions. This is not a good start.

Find "message to Garcia", understand the underlining complexities in the story, then do 500 push-up and ruck 20 miles..

Move out..

:munchin

Sdiver
11-01-2013, 12:12
Here, I'll give you a class in all you'll ever need to know (everything else is just flash).

There are only THREE rules you'll ever need to know ....

Rule #1 .... Air goes in and out. Blood goes round and round. Any deviation from the two, fix it.

Rule #2 .... If it's wet, sticky, and not yours, don't touch it.

Rule #3 .... You can't fix stupid.


Class dismissed.

:munchin

Team Sergeant
11-01-2013, 12:16
Here, I'll give you a class in all you'll ever need to know (everything else is just flash).

There are only THREE rules you'll ever need to know ....

Rule #1 .... Air goes in and out. Blood goes round and round. Any deviation from the two, fix it.

Rule #2 .... If it's wet, sticky, and not yours, don't touch it.

Rule #3 .... You can't fix stupid.


Class dismissed.

:munchin

He asked a serious question and we answered in a serious manner. Take heed, or next time I'll take away your keyboard.

Trapper John
11-01-2013, 13:15
The Special Forces 18D Medic's training approaches that of a Physicians Assistant, exceeds that of an RN. The breath of their education covers all medical emergencies, from wound trauma, to dental, to child birth, to animal husbandry. It takes years.

You are not going to find that caliber of medical education in a 2 week wanna-B-camp.

:lifter

You could take all the various courses that are offered to EMT rescue and you would end up with a good basic medical education.

Even the later will take years to accumulate.


You personally need to read and search the fora before you ask questions. This is not a good start.

Find "message to Garcia", understand the underlining complexities in the story, then do 500 push-up and ruck 20 miles..

Move out..

:munchin

Roger that JJ....Ditto from me :lifter There are no short cuts!

I would say "exceeds" the PA training. PA's don't need to practice their craft in hostile environments or at least not until O'care is fully implemented anyway. ;)

BMT (RIP)
11-01-2013, 14:10
Sometime in '71 WRAMC sent a team to Bragg test some of our medics.
Most of the guys tested had at least 1 tour in VN.
These guy's were tested 4 or 5 times before WRAMC was happy.

This was the start of the Army PA program.
The first PA class was 37 guys, 36 of these came from SF.

BMT

Brush Okie
11-01-2013, 15:22
The basic EMT is just that, basic. The civilian Paramedic program is much more extensive. Take a PHTLS and ACLS to add to your knowledge. PALS is another good one. You really learn after working in the field just how little the classes teach you, there is no better lesson than experience. First time you roll up on a man down and it was an unreported shooting due to bad drug deal with crap going down you will know if you are really cut out for that job or not.

There are no shortcuts. As was said before a three day or even week class will be less than you need to know. After all that look into Wilderness course and SWAT medic program. That should keep you busy in the civilian world for a couple of years.

Saying all that the 18D program is just that. I have known several SF medics (I'm not one) and as far as I know there are no civilian equivalents. You can always do down to the local recruiter and do the real program. Others here are a better guide than me on that aspect.

spottedmedic111
11-01-2013, 15:40
When I was a 18D student in '92 I was told that those of us with no prior training were the best students. Reason being that we had less to un-learn since the lessons come hard and fast. "Yeah but COSCOM does it like this" will get you shot!

If I were to advise anyone in preparation for SOCM, I'd recommend A&P and other related material. Technique related instruction (such as EMT-P) might pose trouble. They do stuff different. Ever watch a guy go through SLJM who's buddy taught him JMPI? Ugly....

SpikedBuck
11-01-2013, 20:46
Jerry,

Here is a thought...not sure where in WV you live, but many of the urban fire departments may allow you to do some training with them. Your question was related to combat medicine...I have found that some great hands-on training for our military medical professionals is done in urban settings...that being said, you should inquire with your local paramedics. It is good training for them as well.

Just my 2-cents.

-Spiked Buck
aka "retired medical guy"

Jerry4463
11-03-2013, 23:59
I appreciate all the replies and information.

JJ PBK:

Good copy on the message to Garcia thing, won't happen again. Certainly was not looking for a way to shortcut or undermine 18D training.

Brush Okie:

I greatly appreciate the insight and perspective. I will keep what you said regarding real world experience in mind.

spottedmedic111:

Thank you for the advice. I will definitely be looking into the study materials you mentioned. Seems as though I was getting a little ahead of myself. Wouldn't want to waste time and money learning something just to turn around and un-learn it.

SpikedBuck:

I'm a member of the local fire department in my schools town but its far from urban. Martinsburg is not that far away, I'll see what I can do as far as cross training with them. Thank you.

doctom54
11-04-2013, 05:28
Well they aren't "combat" oriented but the wilderness medical classes offered by several organizations are good classes for learning about medicine where you can't transport a patient immediately to a hospital.
Wilderness EMT would be a good start.
http://www.wildmed.com/wilderness-medical-courses/medical-professionals/emt-w.php

swatsurgeon
11-04-2013, 08:52
Could also look into a tactical medicine class

Red Flag 1
11-04-2013, 15:29
I was wondering if anyone knows of a quality medical training group specializing in combat medicine. It seems that with all the private military training available these days (CRI, Academi, etc.) there is not a medical equivalent. Any information is appreciated.

If you are in West Virginia, you may have access to Pegasus/UVA sponsored response net. There is an annual conference, I am there every year, and may have suggestions for training specific to your area. Drop me a pm if you'd like, and perhaps we can work something out.

RF 1

pjbluetogreen
03-03-2014, 10:01
There are several great training groups out there. I have trained with T1G in memphis, ISTM Tac Med in Palm Springs and with JTM in Vegas both are highly qualified to teach Combat/Tac Med and would recommend them to anyone looking to find a course for themselves or a group that the work with. Gryphon Group also does some medical training now. Just know that these courses are very pricey for an individual but well worth the cost IMHO. Most of the reputable Med training groups will build you a custom course if you have a large enough group.