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This is pretty bold talk coming from one of the few "conservative journalists" invited to the White House for an audience with the King.
Honor, tact and common courtesy have disappeared. We're observing the implosion of the political structure of the Country.
Again, I want to thank each and every one of you savants who voted for Obama. :mad:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/10/krauthammer-obama-bait-and-switch-on-gop-debt-ceiling-compromise/
Charles Krauthammer told viewers Thursday on “Special Report with Bret Baier” that President Obama’s reluctance to accept House Speaker John Boehner’s compromise proposal for a six- week clean debt ceiling increase amounted to a “bait and switch here on the part of the Obama administration.”
“Obama was quite clear on Tuesday where he said he had been demanding up until now, you give me a one year extension on the debt, or I'm not going to talk, ” said Krauthammer, a syndicated columnist and Fox News contributor.
“So, the President offered an off ramp, in which he said ‘I will accept any length of extension’ meaning: I'll accept just a technical one, a short one, a couple of weeks. And that offered a compromise so they could start negotiations. He gets a debt ceiling increase so he can say, ‘well, now I can talk.’ Boehner is able to engage in negotiations, with what would be a trivial extension.
“So, Boehner has his offer, he goes in to see the president, you would expect that he would then have a six-week extension and discuss all of these issues. What seems to have happened is there are now demands from the president, on the reopening of the government, which was not what they had said earlier in the week, which is why I think they are stuck now."
Krauthammer told viewers Boehner and his caucus should stand their ground. “I think the Republicans ought to stand fast on this. We're offering you six weeks, we're offering an opportunity for real negotiations on debt, the reductions, all kind of other stuff, eminently reasonable and I hope they don't budge on this,” he said.
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A house divided...
Is Red State America Seceding?
TownHall.com
Pat Buchanan | Oct 11, 2013
In the last decade of the 20th century, as the Soviet Empire disintegrated so, too, did that prison house of nations, the USSR.
Out of the decomposing carcass came Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Moldova, all in Europe; Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan in the Caucasus; and Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan in Central Asia.
Transnistria then broke free of Moldova, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia fought free of Georgia.
Yugoslavia dissolved far more violently into the nations of Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Kosovo.
The Slovaks seceded from Czechoslovakia. Yet a Europe that plunged straight to war after the last breakup of Czechoslovakia in 1938 and 1939 this time only yawned. Let them go, all agreed.
The spirit of secession, the desire of peoples to sever ties to nations to which they have belonged for generations, sometimes for centuries, and to seek out their own kind, is a spreading phenomenon.
Scotland is moving toward a referendum on independence from England, three centuries after the Acts of Union. Catalonia pushes to be free of Madrid. Milanese and Venetians see themselves as a European people apart from Sicilians, Neapolitans and Romans.
Dutch-speaking Flanders wants to cut loose of French-speaking Wallonia in Belgium. Francophone Quebec, with immigrants from Asia and the Third World tilting the balance in favor of union, appears to have lost its historic moment to secede from Canada.
What are the forces pulling nations apart? Ethnicity, culture, history and language -- but now also economics. And separatist and secessionist movements are cropping up here in the United States.
While many Red State Americans are moving away from Blue State America, seeking kindred souls among whom to live, those who love where they live but not those who rule them are seeking to secede.
The five counties of Western Maryland -- Garrett, Allegheny, Washington, Frederick and Carroll, which have more in common with West Virginia and wish to be rid of Baltimore and free of Annapolis, are talking secession.
The issues driving secession in Maryland are gun control, high taxes, energy policy, homosexual marriage and immigration.
Scott Strzelczyk, who lives in the town of Windsor in Carroll County and leads the Western Maryland Initiative, argues: "If you have a long list of grievances, and it's been going on for decades, and you can't get it resolved, ultimately [secession] is what you have to do."
And there is precedent. Four of our 50 states -- Maine, Vermont, Kentucky, West Virginia -- were born out of other states.
Ten northern counties of Colorado are this November holding non-binding referenda to prepare a future secession from Denver and the creation of America's 51st state.
Nine of the 10 Colorado counties talking secession and a new state, writes Reid Wilson of the Washington Post -- Cheyenne, Kit Carson, Logan, Morgan, Phillips, Sedgwick, Washington, Weld and Yuma -- all gave more than 62 percent of their votes to Mitt Romney. Five of these 10 counties gave Romney more than 75 percent of their vote.
Their issues with the Denver legislature: A new gun control law that triggered a voter recall of two Democratic state senators, state restrictions on oil exploration, and the Colorado legislature's party-line vote in support of gay marriage.
In California, which many have long believed should be split in two, the northern counties of Modoc and Siskyou on the Oregon border are talking succession -- and then union in a new state called Jefferson.
"California is essentially ungovernable in its present size," says Mark Baird of the Jefferson Declaration Committee. Baird hopes to attract a dozen counties to join together before petitioning the state to secede.
Like the western Maryland and northern Colorado counties, the northern California counties are conservative, small town, rural, and have little in common with San Francisco or Los Angeles, or Sacramento, where Republicans hold not one statewide office and are outnumbered better than 2-1 in both houses of the state legislature.
Folks on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, bordered by Wisconsin and the Great Lakes, which is connected to lower Michigan by a bridge, have long dreamed of a separate state called Superior. The UP has little in common with Lansing and nothing with Detroit.
While the folks in western Maryland, northern Colorado, northern California and on the Upper Peninsula might be described as Red State secessionists, in Vermont the secessionists seem of the populist left. The Montpelier Manifesto of the Second Vermont Republic concludes:
"Citizens, lend your names to this manifesto and join in the honorable task of rejecting the immoral, corrupt, decaying, dying, failing American Empire and seeking its rapid and peaceful dissolution before it takes us all down with it."
This sort of intemperate language may be found in Thomas Jefferson's indictment of George III. If America does not get its fiscal house in order, and another Great Recession hits or our elites dragoon us into another imperial war, we will likely hear more of such talk.
http://townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/2013/10/11/is-red-state-america-seceding-n1720999/page/full
A house divided...
Well, you can't reason with imbeciles.
Most of the Country wants Obamacare gone. Cruz tries to represent most of the people regarding that issue, and not only the socialist dems excoriate and villify him, a potload of RINOS are doing it, as well. Might as well secede.
Let's do it. :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll_k6F_-L78
lol, first gotta rescue the poor folks trapped in upstate New York and most of NH, western MD, etc., etc., !
lol, first gotta rescue the poor folks trapped in upstate New York and most of NH, western MD, etc., etc., !
Hey, they can relo. Gas is cheap, right now. ;)
I do not have faith in Boehner. I'm sorry he lost me as soon as the first tears started falling.
I don't trust that he will stand fast with that spine that he was forced to take.
The Reaper
10-11-2013, 12:05
Hey, they can relo. Gas is cheap, right now. ;)
Gas is up 100% in the last five years, since Obama took over.
And I agree, Boehner is a weak link who will fold at the first opportunity. He is the choice of the Repub establishment surrender monkeys, FWIW.
TR
Gas is up 100% in the last five years, since Obama took over.
TR
So's the deficit.
ddoering
10-11-2013, 13:41
I do not have faith in Boehner. I'm sorry he lost me as soon as the first tears started falling.
I don't trust that he will stand fast with that spine that he was forced to take.
He lacks a pair of nuts and a spine.
He lacks a pair of nuts and a spine.
.... and THAT right there is what Barry, Harry and Nancy will exploit. All they have to do is hunker down and wait.
I don't trust that he will stand fast with that spine that he was forced to take.
Boner could have played the role of the villager in Brave heart that said:
"No! We will run - and live!"
Boner could have played the role of the villager in Brave heart that said:
Au contraire. I can hear those brass balls clangin' all the way out here in Hillbillyville:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/11/House-GOP-Caves-Will-Lift-Debt-AND-Reopen-Government
:boohoo
Au contraire. I can hear those brass balls clangin' all the way out here in Hillbillyville:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/11/House-GOP-Caves-Will-Lift-Debt-AND-Reopen-Government
:boohoo
He can't be gone soon enough.
ddoering
10-11-2013, 21:01
I'm willing to vote democrat to see it done.
Fuck Boner
I'm willing to vote democrat to see it done.
Fuck Boner
You can accomplish that by merely staying home :D
The America of my time line is a laboratory example of what can happen to democracies, what has eventually happened to all perfect democracies throughout all histories. A perfect democracy, a ‘warm body’ democracy in which every adult may vote and all votes count equally, has no internal feedback for self-correction. It depends solely on the wisdom and self-restraint of citizens… which is opposed by the folly and lack of self-restraint of other citizens. What is supposed to happen in a democracy is that each sovereign citizen will always vote in the public interest for the safety and welfare of all. But what does happen is that he votes his own self-interest as he sees it… which for the majority translates as ‘Bread and Circuses.’
‘Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.
Robert Heinlein
Boehner and his ilk are worse than the noodle-armed French surrender monkeys...more worried about retaining their positions and status rather than standing their ground and doing what is right and in the best interests of the country and its long term viability, regardless of the political consequences incurred by themselves...
ddoering
10-12-2013, 07:28
You can accomplish that by merely staying home :D
I hate inaction.
It is interesting that the House passed a CR that defunded Obamacare and sent it to the Senate where it was added back in - which the House rejected.
The Dem's talk about compromise.....
So the House sends up a CR that only delays Obamacare for a year - which the Senate and President rejects.
The Dem's talk about compromise.....
So the House sends up a CR that only makes Congress subject to Obamacare - which the Senate and President rejects....
The Dem's talk about compromise.....
So the House sends up a CR that does everything the D's want except delays the Medical Device Tax for two years that they have to make up for in other area's - and that appears that it might go through if the R's will give a bit in other areas.
Compromise to the Dem's means total surrender for R's.
I hate inaction.
Me too. But sometimes lack of action send more of a message that active participation......like when only 2 people show for one of those Obama care parties
Me too. But sometimes lack of action send more of a message that active participation......like when only 2 people show for one of those Obama care parties
lol From annointed to ignored in five short years.
The Reaper
10-12-2013, 10:18
Hey, Speaker Boehner-
Turn in your man card and your balls.
What a waste. :rolleyes:
TR
Hey, Speaker Boehner-
Turn in your man card and your balls.
What a waste. :rolleyes:
TR
In order to turn them in he must first have a set. Boehner is and always has been a Unic :D
ddoering
10-12-2013, 10:31
Me too. But sometimes lack of action send more of a message that active participation......like when only 2 people show for one of those Obama care parties
Think of it at electoral jujitsu. Use your opponents weight and force against him. If they are going to drive us off a cliff eventually then I say let's accelerate. The sooner this train wreck occurs the sooner they will be discredited and booted out. Then the country can right itself.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/house-senate-saturday-session-government-shutdown-debt-ceiling-98218.html?hp=t1_3
Speaker John Boehner told House Republicans Saturday morning that his efforts to strike a deal with President Barack Obama are at a standstill.
There is no agreement, Boehner said in a room in the Capitol Saturday, and there are no negotiations between House Republicans and the White House, since Obama rejected the speaker’s effort to lift the debt ceiling for six weeks and reopen government while setting up a budget negotiating process.
With that, a familiar dynamic has resurfaced 12 days into the government shutdown and five days before Treasury says the nation runs out of borrowing authority: The pendulum has swung back to Senate Republicans, who now look more likely to cut a deal with Obama to end the first government shutdown since 1996, and avoid the first default on U.S. debt in history.
After the news that talks between Boehner and Obama have broken down, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) emerged on the floor to emphasize that the nation’s eyes are firmly fixed on the chamber.
“I was happy to see the Republicans engaged in talks with the president, the House Republicans. That’s over with. It’s done. They’re not talking anymore,” Reid said. “I say to my friends on the Republican side of this Senate, time is running out.”
House Republicans are, for the first time, acknowledging that reality. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) told the closed meeting of GOP lawmakers that, “Senate Republicans need to stand strong and fight,” according to sources in the room.
“It’s all good,” Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) said. “It’s now up to the Senate Republicans to stand up.” LOLOL
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To show where the D's stand a "compromise" bill by Collins (Big time RINO) was shot down.
The D's are saying "Everything or else..............."
To show where the D's stand a "compromise" bill by Collins (Big time RINO) was shot down.
The D's are saying "Everything or else..............."
It's up to Ryan, now...:boohoo
I am mad a hell that our congress and president can't govern rationally. However at this point there is no compromise. The R's cannot back down. The petty shit like closing parks and memorials pales in comparison to what will happen when/if we complete the lobotomy and transition to a European-style socialist state.
I'm glad that the Obamination gave Speaker Boner a second chance to find his balls. Best thing that could have happened to the R's. Now if only McCaian would go away...
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You know, Al I do not live in DC, but if I did, I would go. It was a big step for me, but now I do write to my congressmen/senators. It's the least that I can do. 20 yrs ago I never would have thought of doing that but now I realize that I must participate in the political process to at least counteract one one other dumb ass in this country.
Term limits are the only way out of this. The electorate is too stupid to be trusted.
You know, Al I do not live in DC, but if I did, I would go. It was a big step for me, but now I do write to my congressmen/senators. It's the least that I can do. 20 yrs ago I never would have thought of doing that but now I realize that I must participate in the political process to at least counteract one one other dumb ass in this country.
Term limits are the only way out of this. The electorate is too stupid to be trusted.
We will be organizing by region and state also to march on our elected officials throughout the year. :)
cat in the hat
10-13-2013, 10:19
Boehner and his ilk are worse than the noodle-armed French surrender monkeys...more worried about retaining their positions and status rather than standing their ground and doing what is right and in the best interests of the country and its long term viability, regardless of the political consequences incurred by themselves...
TANSTAAFL