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Silentium
10-10-2013, 15:53
So if you were to recommend classes and certifications for a civi if they wanted something similar to SF training but obviously not as intense. More survival reasons
Be it SF, Rangers, CCT, Para Rescue, MARSOC and all the other SOF disciplines - there is nothing like it.
PADI is not the same as Combat Diver, Sky Diving is not the same as MFF, camping is not the same as humping a ruck through the bush and living there a couple of weeks, breathing hard a time or three on a target range is not the same as running a patrol in Afghanistan.
You either do it - or you don't.
And if it's not intense why do it?
Pete
I am sure if he wants to pay a few of us we can put him through some realistic training to fill those needs.....:eek::eek::eek:
Dusty can do pre phase and phase 1
You can do the RTL and survival course
Reaper can do the Oh hell O's just supervise;)
TS can do the rucking and range work
Al can do the O&I training.
I can teach MFF
zonie can do the diving training.
We all get together for Phase 3 and PBR can do his graduation
It will only take 18 months and 1.8 million USD
We will start when the check clears....
blue02hd
10-10-2013, 20:45
So if you were to recommend classes and certifications for a civi if they wanted something similar to SF training but obviously not as intense. More survival reasons
Try 5 years in prison. That will just about bring your survival skills up to par with a brand new Long Tab.
Silentium
10-10-2013, 22:58
Note the part where I said "obviously not as intense"... Quiet professionals not Egotistic ones
Note the part where I said "obviously not as intense"... Quiet professionals not Egotistic ones
My friend, re read your opening comment/question.
It is akin to saying "I'd like to experience combat but where no one gets hurt".
A civilian survival school is as close to SOF/SF training as air soft combat is to a real fire fight.
Some times comments/queries just crack us up a bit....don't take it personal.
Damn, I'm in a mellow mood tonight.
Scimitar
10-10-2013, 23:07
Pete
I am sure if he wants to pay a few of us we can put him through some realistic training to fill those needs
Dusty can do pre phase and phase 1
You can do the RTL and survival course
Reaper can do the Oh hell O's just supervise;)
TS can do the rucking and range work
Al can do the O&I training.
I can teach MFF
zonie can do the diving training.
We all get together for Phase 3 and PBR can do his graduation
It will only take 18 months and 1.8 million USD
We will start when the check clears....
If there's a payment plan I'm in...with interest of course.
The real question is will you take bad knees. :D
S
So if you were to recommend classes and certifications for a civi if they wanted something similar to SF training but obviously not as intense. More survival reasons
To answer your question as to how it is written, might I suggest the Boy Scouts. They are very "survival" oriented and they would probably fit the needs that you're looking for.
ghp95134
10-11-2013, 00:25
Try Outward Bound (http://www.outwardbound.org/?gclid=CKfs3JqRjroCFaFxQgodvkUA3A). They have a 50-day seminar that sounds like something to whet your appetite/skills. Most courses seem to be 15 days.
Available programs (http://www.outwardbound.org/about-outward-bound/programs/).
Example: OB Wilderness (http://www.outwardbound.org/wilderness-expeditions/wilderness-courses/) -- 15 days
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Found this nice about the organization:
Veterans.
Outward Bound is incredibly proud to offer fully funded 5-7 day wilderness courses to veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Fully funded by generous donors, Outward Bound helps thousands of returning service members and military veterans readjust to life at home through the healing power of the wilderness and by reinforcing the gratification, confidence and self-worth that comes with working within a group. These courses build the skills necessary to successfully return to life after wartime service.
--ghp
You either do it - or you don't.
What Pete said..
There are a couple of "simulator schools" that are billed as "real
deal".
Don Shipley's Extreme SEAL Experience (http://www.extremesealexperience.com/1430.h.DON_SHIPLEY_NAVY_SEAL) comes to mind.
BUT they are not the real deal. You can only simulate. Things like no real bullets, no real bad guys, no real incoming, & no real ied's.
Beyond that the law would consider much of the real deal illegal and prosecutable as real deal crimes.
The Reaper
10-11-2013, 09:58
Note the part where I said "obviously not as intense"... Quiet professionals not Egotistic ones
Congratulations.
You have our attention.
You remember that old saying about asking a silly question?
TR
cat in the hat
10-11-2013, 10:42
Note the part where I said "obviously not as intense"... Quiet professionals not Egotistic ones
it's not egotistic, it is an attitude earned and validated by a harsh and unforgiving career.
I'll share a favorite anecdote to illustrate. I was installing some electronic devices in the home of a wealthy man and when finished was showing him how everything worked. his great room looked like he could have stocked a new Cabelas with his trophy mounts. He had all the big cats, cape buffalo, every imaginable african animal with horns or claws. He was holding court with his cronies about his new electronic toys and saw me eying his trophies. in a mildly condescending voice asked "do you hunt?".
without skipping a beat, i replied "not since Afghanistan, if they aren't shooting back, it just doesn't seem exciting anymore." the look on his "buddies" faces was more than worth explaining to my boss why the customer had a problem with my attitude.
blue02hd
10-11-2013, 10:51
Note the part where I said "obviously not as intense"... Quiet professionals not Egotistic ones
My ego not to your liking? My ego spent 24 years serving your country and earning the right to speak honestly, and it didn't need a "less intensive" civilian course. You want a more precise answer, refine your question please. I still stand by my prison option, but hey, to each his own.
Objective observation, take it for whats its worth:
The civilian world is teaming with former military and or active posers who will promise you the world in exchange for your hard earned dollars. Why, we may even have some instructors trying to elicit your dollars here?? After the check clears you may harbor buyers remorse. You can take as many classes as you can afford and may go broke, but the closest you will ever reach to the standard we train to will be between Airsoft Ninja and "weekend warrior". It's not cost efficient, nor LEGAL. If it were not you would not need a military.
No one here payed cash for our "intensity", it was developed over years and earned. I sense you are not liking the intensity of my posts, <yawn>. My Detachment is comprised of the very best we can train or they wouldn't be here. We improve everyday, and continue to learn and develop well after the initial expenditure of "basic training" that resulted in a Long Tab and began our individual journey.
You seem to be asking how to replicate it without investing years, incurring actual risk, and suffering consequence for failure? Your post is not specific enough to communicate specific intent, thus it can be considered a joke.
But you were serious?
Enjoy your stay.
it's not egotistic, it is an attitude earned and validated by a harsh and unforgiving career.
Exactly :lifter
I was installing some electronic devices in the home
Can you swing by and program Trappers VCR...
his great room looked like he could have stocked a new Cabelas with his trophy mounts. He had all the big cats, cape buffalo, every imaginable african animal with horns or claws. He was holding court with his cronies about his new electronic toys and saw me eying his trophies. in a mildly condescending voice asked "do you hunt?".
without skipping a beat, i replied "not since Afghanistan, if they aren't shooting back, it just doesn't seem exciting anymore." the look on his "buddies" faces was more than worth explaining to my boss why the customer had a problem with my attitude.
X-ring!
Silentium
10-17-2013, 22:21
Ok first, I'll apologize. You're right, you have earned the right to be sarcastic and condescending. I have no right to take that away from you.
HOWEVER, what you seem to think is that I was implying that you could become a full fledged Green Beret by joining the boy scouts. It's not at all what I meant.
I am planning a career in film/finance. I have a beautiful, amazing, loving girlfriend. I want to start a family. I have the utmost respect for anyone who devotes their time to serving our country, regardless of their initial reason of joining, etc.
But, if this relationship pans out, I want to start a family and be there for my wife and kids. Please don't take that as an insult either. I'm not saying it's wrong to leave. I'm saying that at this point in my life, it's not my goal. I'm happy where I am. And being totally honest, I don't think I'm ready. I could make it through basic I'm sure, but if I were serious about joining I'd want to be prepared both physically and mentally for the best.
I have a few family members, a marine, a pararescue (whom I am not able to reach at this time), and army communications.
Anyways, what I'm getting at is that I know that nothing will compare and I don't want to be able to tell my friends "yea i'm totally awesome look what i learned at pretend bootcamp." I want to learn survival skills one to be prepared and two to incorporate it into some film scripts.
I'd love to do movies based on actual stories like the Lone Survivor one coming out.
I'm sorry I said the egotistical bit but I stand by the fact that it'd be way more respectable not to downplay and ridicule someone just because of your past. The first test of a truly great man is in his humility.
So anyways, specifically, i'm looking for something that is survival based, and maybe some basic tactical shooting courses, as to better protect my family and write films.
I'm sorry if you feel that's silly but if there is anyone on here who doesn't, I'd really appreciate any advice. Obviously I'm a little too old for the boy scouts.
Write what you know! ;)
I'll bill you a percentage of your first script option! Really.
Pat
blue02hd
10-18-2013, 00:39
Good luck with your family, and your future career.
Team Sergeant
10-18-2013, 09:20
The "skill sets" you speak of comes with years of real training. These are skill sets you're not going to learn by watching the morons on the Discovery Channel. You want to learn to shoot like a Green Beret, take lessons from a Green Beret, you want to shoot like a cop, take lessons from a cop. One shoots offensively the other shoots defensively, you choose. My point is I don't think you even know what you're asking for as far as a skill set goes. What is it you want to survive? How do you wish to "defend" your family? Moving to a small town in South Dakota is a great start on defending your family, moving to South Chicago is not.
Situational awareness is a skill set that most Special Forces soldiers are born with and develop with years in Special Forces. It's not an easy skill set to teach.
You been answered by a dozen real Special Forces soldiers, try and figure out why they said what they said.
We've risked our lives for our skill sets and along the way some have fallen and got back up, some have not.
If you want to run with the big dogs, fine, have a go, if not there's always the Discovery Channel and its survival idiots.
Silentium
10-18-2013, 09:37
Thank you guys for taking time out of your day to reply. I really appreciate it. I think you guys are cool as hell too.
Do you know of any long term survival classes? Hell maybe even something to do with hunting might help with the survival aspects?
I am getting my concealed soon, one of my uncle's friends is retired-SF. He does the certification and wants to start teaching some advanced classes so I'm going to go talk to him soon.
Unless I completely change my career goals after I graduate I don't see myself joining and being privileged to train as well or as hard as you guys did. It's not that I don't think I could if I devoted myself to it, it's just that I don't think I'm going to devote myself to it. I respect you guys more than the attitude in my posts will ever show.
So, maybe this isn't the place to ask, but I thought if anyone knew of a some classes a civilian could take, it would be this community.
I'm asking here because although I will never be able to actually train similar to the SF unless I were to DO it, I know there are plenty of really bad fakes, like the morons on discovery channel, who will as you guys said, scam me out of my hard earned dollars.
However, it's my hope that there are SOME land nav, foraging, shooting, and tracking classes, and anything else you guys might suggest, to be a more prepared citizen.
Again, I know nothing is the substitute for real experience as you have, but that's not to say that training, even from a civilian standpoint, isn't important.
Thank you guys again for taking time to give advice to a nobody like me.
.....However, it's my hope that there are SOME land nav, foraging, shooting, and tracking classes, and anything else you guys might suggest, to be a more prepared citizen.......
I'll give one last shot about what we know and what you're asking to learn - and I'll keep it pretty low speed - something you can relate to.
Deals with SURVIVAL.
We survive because thats just part of the job learned over years. Sometimes we end up in what would be a survival situation for most but for us it's just a night or two of SUCK. In fact we wouldn't even consider it survival.
Now you can go off on some adventure land survival course and learn a lot about shelters, making fire and catching food- but did you ever "LEARN" anything about survival?
The first rule is "Don't place yourself in a Survival situation". Most place themselves in that situation. The missteps continue to cascade until they are dead or are found.
You may know how to built a fancy bush shelter and rub two sticks together to get fire but if you keep walking until after sunset because it's raining and you think you'll get out - you'll end up with no shelter, no fire and hugging a tree to keep warm.
It's just not the same...
Silentium
10-18-2013, 10:53
Now you can go off on some adventure land survival course and learn a lot about shelters, making fire and catching food- but did you ever "LEARN" anything about survival?
It's just not the same...
Okay great. Another passive aggressive insult. You tell me that I am the one who needs slow speed? How many times have I said I understand it won't be the same as what you go through?
I GET IT.
Do you know of any SPECIFIC "adventure land survival course(s)" that teach sound information?
I might not LEARN about survival in the military sense and attitude but I might be better prepared than I am now. Which is my point.
Jesus Christ sorry I asked.
The Reaper
10-18-2013, 11:21
You know, if you keep digging, eventually, you will find the bottom of the hole.
TR
Team Sergeant
10-18-2013, 11:38
Silentium, experts have calculated your survival time and have agreed it will be short lived.
Your "skin" is too thin to run with the big dogs and you cannot take advice from seasoned combat veterans. Your mouth is writing checks your ass cannot cash and when faced with a dangerous situation your mouth will get you in deep water very fast. Learn to control your emotions or they will control you.
And, never, never piss into the wind, step on Superman's cape, or argue with a Special Forces Sergeant Major.:munchin