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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/police-search-for-active-shooter-on-grounds-of-washington-navy-yard-in-southeast-dc/2013/09/16/b1d72b9a-1ecb-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html
(Workplace violence, again? ) :rolleyes:
Police say three shooters, including at least one in fatigues, have shot at least 10 people at the Washington Navy Yard.
Police said at least one of the shooters is “down,” but it was unclear whether that means the suspect has been arrested or shot. Two remain at large, and police believe they have pinned down one between the third and fourth floors of one of the buildings on the installation in Southeast Washington.
As hundreds of police officers from various agencies converged on the scene, officials at Reagan National Airport ordered all outgoing flights held.
Police on the scene said at least eight civilians were shot, along with the two police officers. One is a D.C. Metro Police officer who was shot two times in the leg and was evacuated on a helicopter that took off from a rooftop, police said. The other officer worked at the base. Except for the officer who was taken away by helicopter, all the other injured were being treated on the ground, police said.
A Navy Yard employee reached by telephone shortly before 10 a.m. said employees are still being told to shelter in place. She did not hear the shots, but described sirens, SWAT teams, Marines and a helicopter responding.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/16/active-shooter-at-washington-navy-yard/
But ... But ... But, how could this be possible ?!?!?! :eek:
Isn't DC a "Gun Free" zone ???? :confused:
The horror ..... the horrorrrrrRRRRRrrrrrrrrr
mojaveman
09-16-2013, 09:41
My first thought was that it was a disaffected member of the military who did the shooting but after learning that there were three shooters it now makes me believe that this could very likely have been a terrorist incident.
Two pretty good witnesses in this clip.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/dc-navy-yard-gunshots/index.html
CBS - #BREAKING: Federal sources tell CBS News that #NavyYardShooting suspect ID’d as civilian Navy employee; no evidence of 2nd shooter
medic&commo
09-16-2013, 10:31
Whoever, for whatever reason let's pray all surviving victims recover & families will have closure, unlike other incidents in the recent past.
m&c
Daily Mail report and photos.
Prayers out.
By JAMES NYE
PUBLISHED: 08:11 EST, 16 September 2013 | UPDATED: 11:24 EST, 16 September 2013
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2421980/Six-DEAD-12-injured-TWO-gunmen-rampage-Washington-Navy-Yard-Shooters-shot-dead-3-hour-manhunt.html#ixzz2f4ZkSowI
medic&commo
09-16-2013, 10:47
Already, the call goes out for stricter gun control; in DC, which is a "gun-free zone".
While DC burns, POTUS fiddles (with himself).
m&c
Prayers for the wounded and deceased. RIP..Prayers also for the LEO hunting down the shooter(s).
Hope no one else is harmed.
Ret10Echo
09-16-2013, 11:32
Already, the call goes out for stricter gun control; in DC, which is a "gun-free zone".
While DC burns, POTUS fiddles (with himself).
m&c
And any one of those employees... allowed to carry and properly trained in handling of a firearm.. could have ended this very quickly.
RIP...prayers for the families and friends.
This story has potential for tremendous spin...
I was on the parade field prepping a ceremonial gun salute adjacent to 197 when everyone got the word to evac. I aided in pulling outer security looking out for more potential shooters and after a while saw several injured personnel medevaced from the scene. That fucking spineless bitch got what he deserved. Praying for the families of the deceased and for those injured :mad:
Speedy recovery to those injured...and RIP to our dead.
May that POS shooter rot in hell.
Gunman kills at least 12 at Washington Navy Yard, gathering weapons along the way
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/16/20522196-gunman-kills-at-least-12-at-washington-navy-yard-gathering-weapons-along-the-way?lite
"....But law enforcement officials told NBC News they believed he arrived packing only the shotgun, which he bought last week from a gun dealer in Lorton, Va., about 20 miles from Washington....."
Used the shotgun to get the AR 15 and pistol. Not that it will make a difference to gun grabbers.
PedOncoDoc
09-17-2013, 05:31
Used the shotgun to get the AR 15 and pistol. Not that it will make a difference to gun grabbers.
I disagree and feel it will add a new argument to the arsenal: My guess is they will use this as an example of why no firearms should be available to the public. :mad:
Streck-Fu
09-17-2013, 05:47
Based on the last two rampages, we need to ban bald black male Navy Reservists from owning firearms.
This will not help with the concerns about the VA reporting veteran issues to the NICS....... LINK (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NAVY_YARD_SHOOTING_GUNMAN_MENTAL_HEALTH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-17-08-03-32)
Badger52
09-17-2013, 15:57
Apparently no AR, per CNN update by an FBI spokesperson.
Link citing the FBI's position:
http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/17/video-piers-morgan-and-the-scourge-of-the-ar-15-shotgun-or-something/
CNN's own what we know/don't know:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/17/us/navy-yard-shooting-knowns-unknowns/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
What I know:
Piers Morgan should put on his speedo and begin swimming eastward; I'll take care of the chum.
What I don't know (or care about): When CNN is gonna drop this ridiculous pompous ass from their line-up. Then again, he's one of Feinstein's "only ones."
:rolleyes:
The blood dancing is in full swing.
An insane lib terrorist uses a shotgun and the libs want AR's and handguns confiscated.
Thanks to another lib, BJ Clinton, nobody but the terrorist was armed.
:rolleyes:
ddoering
09-17-2013, 18:26
Didn't Joe Biden recommend the use of shotguns in the first place?
Apparently an AR wasn't even used.
So far it appears that this shooter just used a Remington 870 with 00 buck and a Glock handgun that he got off a guard he shot.
State Law Prevented Sale of Assault Rifle to Suspect Last Week, Officials Say
WASHINGTON — The suspect in the killing of 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday test-fired an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week but was stopped from buying one because state law there prohibits the sale of such weapons to out-of-state buyers, according to two senior law enforcement officials.
Instead, the suspect, Aaron Alexis of Texas, bought a law-enforcement-style shotgun — an 870 Remington pump-action — and used it on Monday as he rampaged through the navy yard, said the officials, who requested anonymity because the investigation was continuing.
“The gun was broken in half, and he had it in a bag,” one official said of the Remington. “He went inside the building and assembled it in a bathroom.”
The gunman then perched himself above an atrium where he fired down on people who had been eating breakfast, officials said, adding that he used shotgun shells that had roughly a dozen large ball-bearing-like shots in them, increasing their lethal nature.
“When he discharged, the pieces of lead would spread the farther they went,” the one official said. “It is similar to weapons used in bird shooting but on a more serious scale. These were not bullets but many small pieces of lead flying through the air.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-law-stopped-gunman-from-buying-rifle-officials-say.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
Didn't Joe Biden recommend the use of shotguns in the first place?
Yep. :munchin
Apparently an AR wasn't even used.
So far it appears that this shooter just used a Remington 870 with 00 buck and a Glock handgun that he got off a guard he shot.
Right, but look how DiFi and the other dimwits are spinning this event. It's still incredible to me that right-minded pols let them get away with it-especially the media.
Yahoo had a story where the slack-jawed reporter revealed that the terorrist had actually visited a gun range recently. !!!
These imbeciles know that the urban/suburban areas where the tightest gun laws are enforced (read DC, NY, Mil Bases, Connecticut, etc) are where the shooters are able to get in a bunch of hits BECAUSE THERE's NO ARMED CIVILIAN RESPONSE.
Look for another Executive Order.
Let's disarm responsible Citizens and arm terrorists, both domestic and abroad-yeah-that's the solution. :rolleyes:
...Yahoo had a story where the slack-jawed reporter revealed that the terorrist had actually visited a gun range recently. !!!.....
Well, he did visit a gun shop and even fired an AR 15. Didn't buy it but purchased IIRC an 870 and 15 rds.
A NY paper spun those facts into a fairy tail of how the death count would have been much higher if he had purchased the rifle he wanted but only the gun laws preventing same day pick up of semi auto weapons prevented him.
Of course the facts were he didn't want to buy the AR and there was no law that would have prevented him from buying it that day if he did.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good MSM rant.
I'm sure this will be on 60 Minutes, CNN, CBS, ABC, NPR and all over the NYT front page:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/17/20542864-navy-yard-shooter-aaron-alexis-was-not-happy-with-america-friend-says?lite
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"He felt like he had been cheated out of money from the contract and complained that he was mistreated because he was black, Kristi Suthamtewkal said.
"He felt a lot of discrimination and and racism with white people especially," she said."
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I'm sure this will be on 60 Minutes, CNN, CBS, ABC, NPR and all over the NYT front page:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/17/20542864-navy-yard-shooter-aaron-alexis-was-not-happy-with-america-friend-says?lite
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"He felt like he had been cheated out of money from the contract and complained that he was mistreated because he was black, Kristi Suthamtewkal said.
"He felt a lot of discrimination and and racism with white people especially," she said."
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I felt like that last week but I didn't go whack anyone.
The terrorist was reportedly on an SSRI drug regimen.
Won't hear much about that on NPR, ABC, CBS, CNN or NYT, though that's a valid link to other mass shootings.
Pretty thoughtful commentary, IMO by LZ Ganderson of CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/17/opinion/granderson-gun-control-fail/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
(CNN) -- Another day, another mass shooting in America.
More blood, more tears, more knee-jerk rhetoric about finding a solution for a bunch of different problems.
Those who knew Aaron Alexis -- the shooter who killed 12 and injured eight more at the Washington Navy Yard this week -- said he was a quiet, shy man.
At one point he was studying Buddhism and meditated often.
A little more digging, and we find he had several gun-related arrests and a pattern of misconduct in the Navy, but he was honorably discharged.
Pieces of a puzzle we may never fully put together.
But the fact that there is still so much we don't know about Alexis -- or the motive behind the shootings -- won't detour gun-control advocates from lumping his story in with that of Adam Lanza, the man police say is responsible for the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, along with the victims from gang- and drug-related shootings.
This is why after the tears have dried and the blood washes away, little, if anything, will change.
And because gun-control advocates so often try to cobble together every distinct narrative involving guns into a one-size-fits-all conversation, they are as much to blame for this merry-go-round as the gun lobbyists against whom they fight.
Gun shops are illegal in Chicago.
The city has bans on both assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. And yet each week people continue to die in the streets from gunshot wounds.
This conundrum is just one example why making note that more Americans have died from gun violence here at home since Newtown than in the nine years fighting a war in Iraq is the kind of factoid that grabs our attention but undermines the true goal: curtailing the violence.
Not all deaths involving guns are the same -- therefore trying to address each incident from the same point of view is futile. Until we learn more about Alexis -- the events leading up to the shootings and the motive -- the tragedy in Washington should not be used as catalyst for a conversation about gun control.
Instead, we should mourn and wait for more information.
Far too often assumptions surrounding the details of tragedies such as the one in Washington are made, and well-intentioned stances fall apart when additional facts come to light.
The guns James Holmes was charged with using in Aurora were purchased legally. Beyond the presence of a gun, the crimes committed in the movie theater are not at all similar to what happens in the streets of our large cities. And each time a politician or gun-control advocate tries to use these two very different examples interchangeably, the entire conversation and argument are compromised.
This happened after Newtown.
It happened after Aurora.
And it will keep continue to happen until the advocates accept that ridding the country of guns is a hopeless -- and unconstitutional mission -- and that the real goal should be addressing the factors that lead to the various forms of gun violence: factors such as poverty, mental health and failing schools.
Last month the nation breathed a sigh of relief after Antoinette Tuff, a bookkeeper in an elementary school in suburban Atlanta, prevented a man with an AK-47-type weapon and nearly 500 rounds of ammunition from hurting anyone.
It was not the time to talk generally about gun violence in this country. It was the time to discuss specifics such as cuts to mental health and its impact on services, given that the suspect, 20-year-old Michael Brandon Hill, has a long history of mental disorders. Hill's storyline is similar to that of Lanza, and there are questions whether Holmes, the admitted shooter in the Aurora movie theater, is insane.
The folks spraying our cities with bullets are not NRA members or even legal gun owners.
Public debates with Wayne LaPierre and attacks on the National Rifle Association have proven to be an ineffective way to prevent gun violence. In the wake of the Washington Navy Yard killings, perhaps a new strategy, one that doesn't involve playing on the nation's emotions or challenging the relevance of the Second Amendment, should be employed. That's not saying the NRA has won -- in fact, I think LaPierre should step down because each time he opens his mouth, he steps in it -- but at the end of the day the organization is more of an agitator than the enemy.
There is no one enemy.
Thus there is no one solution.
Because like it or not, the folks spraying our cities with bullets are not NRA members or legal gun owners. And despite the tendency to tie it all together, they have nothing to do with the Adam Lanzas of the world.
And it's too early to know how Alexis fits in the conversation.
According to a count by USA Today, more than 900 people have been killed in mass shootings since 2006. The thousands of other victims of gun violence over the past seven years died from many different circumstances, requiring different conversations.
This is why gun-control advocates need to abandon the routine of using mass shootings to turn law-abiding citizens into social pariahs and instead focus on something that could work.
Streck-Fu
09-18-2013, 11:41
.......and that the real goal should be addressing the factors that lead to the various forms of gun violence: factors such as poverty, mental health and failing schools.
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Public debates with Wayne LaPierre and attacks on the National Rifle Association have proven to be an ineffective way to prevent gun violence.
I mostly agree with the author but I'm pretty sure they and Wayne LaPierre agree about poverty, mental health, and failing schools being more of contribution to the violence than the guns alone.
I hope this story is false
Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24153252
"One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal.
A tactical response team of the Capitol Police, a force that guards the US Capitol complex, was told to leave the scene by a supervisor instead of aiding municipal officers.
The Capitol Police department said senior officials were investigating............."
"....But multiple sources in the Capitol Police department have told the BBC that its highly trained and heavily armed four-man Containment and Emergency Response Team (Cert) was near the Navy Yard when the initial report of an active shooter came in about 8:20 local time.
The officers, wearing full tactical gear and armed with HK-416 assault weapons, arrived outside Building 197 a few minutes later, an official with knowledge of the incident told the BBC.........."
I hope this story is false
Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24153252
"One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal.
A tactical response team of the Capitol Police, a force that guards the US Capitol complex, was told to leave the scene by a supervisor instead of aiding municipal officers.
The Capitol Police department said senior officials were investigating............."
"....But multiple sources in the Capitol Police department have told the BBC that its highly trained and heavily armed four-man Containment and Emergency Response Team (Cert) was near the Navy Yard when the initial report of an active shooter came in about 8:20 local time.
The officers, wearing full tactical gear and armed with HK-416 assault weapons, arrived outside Building 197 a few minutes later, an official with knowledge of the incident told the BBC.........."
It is probably true. There were so many agencies/LE officers on the scene IMMEDIATELY that the S.W.A.T. team would have possibly hampered interior operations, but I don't know for sure. Being told to stand down completely would have been a mistake due to more possible shooters. I know a few of the officers that exchanged fire with the perp who was killed, and they tell a different story than the media has been leading people to believe. Take it all with a grain of salt, because this is not over.
I know a few of the officers that exchanged fire with the perp who was killed, and they tell a different story than the media has been leading people to believe. Take it all with a grain of salt, because this is not over.
What-you were sworn to silence, or something? What are you talking about, different story?
What-you were sworn to silence, or something? What are you talking about, different story?
Nothing like that, but OPSEC is an issue because they're still searching for others that "may" have been involved, and possibly blended in with the crowd thus escaping. It is still an active crime scene. The media is already sold on the lone gunman theory because that's apparently what they've been privy to so far. Not that I've been privy to much, but enough to keep me on my toes when I get back there tomorrow.
Nothing like that, but OPSEC is an issue because they're still searching for others that "may" have been involved, and possibly blended in with the crowd thus escaping. It is still an active crime scene. The media is already sold on the lone gunman theory because that's apparently what they've been privy to so far. Not that I've been privy to much, but enough to keep me on my toes when I get back there tomorrow.
Oh. I wondered what happened to the black suspect with the sideburns.
I want to express my disdain for something I witnessed during this event. Why in the f*** was the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) Jonathan Greenert the FIRST individual (along with his wife) to be evacuated from the scene while all this went down? I thought that the Captain was supposed to go down with his ship? Definitely not the case here.
Albeit I am unfamiliar with dignitary operations while in the middle of a crisis, but I thought it to be in poor taste that the CNO left in such a hurry. Is this SOP for dignitaries or does that question violate some OPSEC issue that I'm not aware of? Whatever happened to C2?