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Aljazeera picked this up, but our media outlets haven't ...... Interesting.
Keep up the fight boys and girls. If Barry, DiFi, Bloomy and their minions get their way, this is where we're headed.
:munchin
Bill allows prison sentences of up to 20 years for any civilian convicted of illegally carrying or selling a fire arm.
Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro signed a gun control bill into law in a bid to rein in the country's runaway violent crime.
"I hereby sign into law this gun control law, for peace in our nation," Maduro said on Friday in an address in Vargas state.
The bill will allow sentences of up to 20 years in prison for any civilian convicted of illegally carrying or selling a firearm.
It also restricts the sale of ammunition to civilians, and bans weapons from being shown in public places.
"Any arm that is confiscated will be destroyed immediately ... the sales of weapons and ammunition also ends," said National Assembly President Diosdado Cabello.
There are some exceptions: people are allowed to use weapons to protect their property and themselves when in danger, and security personnel can use them when transporting valuable items.
The bill was promoted by late president Hugo Chavez, a leftist-populist in power since 1999 who died on March 5.
The ruling socialist party, or PSUV, and two opposition parties approved the bill.
In the first quarter of 2013, there were 3,400 murders. That followed another year of bloodletting that saw about 16,000 homicides nationwide in 2012, according to government data.
There were 15 million firearms - legal and illegal - in a country of 29 million in 2009.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2013/06/201361625721431960.html
Keep up the fight boys and girls. If Barry, DiFi, Bloomy and their minions get their way, this is where we're headed.
:munchin
lol I just don't see it, irregardless of the socialist BS Obama and the liberaces have foisted upon us to date. Not enough time.
We're fortunately looking at a Conservative renaissance in the 2014 elections.
lol I just don't see it, irregardless of the socialist BS Obama and the liberaces have foisted upon us to date. Not enough time.
We're fortunately looking at a Conservative renaissance in the 2014 elections.
Dude, I wish I could believe you, but I'm not really seeing (or believing) anything like that, especially after the last election when we ALL thought that Romney was a shoe in.
Like when Barry killed OBL, I won't believe OBL's death till I see the body. "I don't want to hear OBL dead ... I want to see OBL dead !!!"
lol I just don't see it, irregardless of the socialist BS Obama and the liberaces have foisted upon us to date. Not enough time.
We're fortunately looking at a Conservative renaissance in the 2014 elections.
Probably not enough time to grab all the guns and complete their dreamed progressive utopia, and we will likely see an uptick in common sense and conservatism.......BUT plenty of time to divide the country even further and there is the chance that they will succeed in bringing in a new highly fertile voting block through amnesty and refugees, which they can disperse in strategic areas throughout the US.
Of the two sides of the same coin we have to battle Jebulon and the Bush Dynasty and Rove, and Bipartisan, opportunistic ass kissers like Boner, McSham, Graham, McConnell, Cornyn and Rubio.
On the opposite side of the coin, the one we are less likely to get in any meaningful number are Cruz, Paul and West.
All in all it doesn't matter because whatever they say during the run up is 99.9999999% bona fide chin bogie once the smoke clears.
Dude, I wish I could believe you, but I'm not really seeing (or believing) anything like that, especially after the last election when we ALL thought that Romney was a shoe in.
Like when Barry killed OBL, I won't believe OBL's death till I see the body. "I don't want to hear OBL dead ... I want to see OBL dead !!!"
Good points.
1. Who knew in the two years prior to the re-election that Conservative grassroots votes were being suppressed by the IRS (Obamacare's enforcement arm)?
2. IMO, UBL's been dead for over a decade.
It's a different story with gun control. There are too many liberaces who like guns.
They're targeting the civvy ammo supply. (If anybody thinks that's tinfoil, go to Midway Ammo and see how much 9mm and .45 ACP you can buy.)
From the cited article.
"The bill will allow sentences of up to 20 years in prison for any civilian convicted of illegally carrying or selling a firearm."
20 years prison time...20 years...for carrying?
They're creating an incentive to just off those Marxist Venezuelan gun grabbers...prolly get 10 years with good behavior...or get away. ;)
Old Dog New Trick
06-16-2013, 14:09
These are the numbers to watch as time marches on...
In the first quarter of 2013, there were 3,400 murders. That followed another year of bloodletting that saw about 16,000 homicides nationwide in 2012, according to government data.
Little change.
No change.
Increase in change.
Decrease in change.
Go Devil
06-16-2013, 14:12
We will never see another constitutionally aligned president of the republic again.
Ever.
The Republican Party is dead.
Anything offered with the stamp of the Republican Party will be a collaborator to the core.
The Electoral College is now owned by the communists and will continue to be so.
If you still believe that you can vote yourself out of this, go slam your head in your car door until you come to your senses.
The communist persuasion reached a tipping point 8 years ago. The winning recipe is now known.
Marxism's Useful Idiots outnumber sensibilities.
Your best option now is to breed exessively and train your offspring to be warriors.
We will never see another constitutionally aligned president of the republic again.
Ever.
The Republican Party is dead.
Anything offered with the stamp of the Republican Party will be a collaborator to the core.
The Electoral College is now owned by the communists and will continue to be so.
If you still believe that you can vote yourself out of this, go slam your head in your car door until you come to your senses.
The communist persuasion reached a tipping point 8 years ago. The winning recipe is now known.
Marxism's Useful Idiots outnumber sensibilities.
Your best option now is to breed exessively and train your offspring to be warriors.
Both parties and the process are little more than a charade of their former selves.
I wouldn't go as far as saying we will never see a constitutionally aligned President, but I do believe the chances are slim to none without some extreme measures. Useful idiots vs Sensibilities is about a 50/50 split and thus the end result might resemble something as we are seeing in Colorado where part of the state wishes to remove itself from the liberal cancer.
Then again it may all even out....but I wouldn't bet on it.
It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.
The Republican Party is dead.
Anything offered with the stamp of the Republican Party will be a collaborator to the core.
The Electoral College is now owned by the communists and will continue to be so.
If you still believe that you can vote yourself out of this, go slam your head in your car door until you come to your senses.
The communist persuasion reached a tipping point 8 years ago. The winning recipe is now known.
Marxism's Useful Idiots outnumber sensibilities.
Your best option now is to breed exessively and train your offspring to be warriors.
lol So, you're a "glass half-empty" type o' guy?
You'll feel different when we get the Senate, too.
Couple of young studs out there who could give us a good start getting out of this mess.
Don't laugh, but one of them is Jeb Bush.
Trapper John
06-16-2013, 16:07
lol So, you're a "glass half-empty" type o' guy?
You'll feel different when we get the Senate, too.
Couple of young studs out there who could give us a good start getting out of this mess.
Don't laugh, but one of them is Jeb Bush.
I really hope you are right Bro! I can't tell you how much I hope that you are right!
lol So, you're a "glass half-empty" type o' guy?
You'll feel different when we get the Senate, too.
Couple of young studs out there who could give us a good start getting out of this mess.
Don't laugh, but one of them is Jeb Bush.
If Uncle Jeb and Da Party Boyz wanna go with the flow on immigration reform there will be a whole lot of people that will no longer participate in the election process.
Why, because by casting a vote you are assisting in your own demise and legitimizing their misdeeds.
lol So, you're a "glass half-empty" type o' guy?
To mis-paraphrase Jimmy McMillan and PS.com’s ussfa344, "The glass is too damn big!” :D
Don't laugh, but one of them is Jeb Bush.
'Splain, por favor. :confused:
Patricio
If Uncle Jeb and Da Party Boyz wanna go with the flow on immigration reform there will be a whole lot of people that will no longer participate in the election process.
Why, because by casting a vote you are assisting in your own demise and legitimizing their misdeeds.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/will-republicans-listen-to-jeb-bush-about-immigration-reform/
Jeb Bush is trying his best to convince his fellow Republicans that immigration reform is good for the party, despite concerns among some that there is little to gain politically from allowing a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.
“It’s always: immigrants don’t like Republicans. Why? Why do we assume that?” Bush lamented today at a Bipartisan Policy Center event on immigration. “Why do we assume it’s always going to be that way because it currently is that way?”
Bush is ardently making the case that Hispanic and Asian American voting patterns, which currently favor Democrats, won’t always be that way if Republicans do something about it.
According to the former Florida governor, the answer lies in creating a more optimistic, aspirational message that resonates more with recent immigrants.
“So I would argue that Republicans win when we are positive and hopeful and aspriational. And we draw people towards our cause when we do that,” Bush said. “If we just play the game that we’re for less government … that message is not aspirational, it’s not very hopeful, it’s not particularly optimistic, and we could lose.”
But if Rep. Michelle Bachmann’s warnings are any indication—that immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship will mean the end of the Republican Party—Jeb Bush has a lot of convincing to do.
“This is President Obama’s number one political agenda because he knows we will never again have a Republican president ever if amnesty goes into effect,” Bachmann told conservative website World Net Daily this week. “We will perpetually have a progressive liberal president, probably a Democrat and we will probably see the House of Representatives go into Democrat hands and the Senate will stay in Democrat hands.”
“So you’ll have a permanent liberal progressive Democrat class. And you will never again be able to see the country go back to its constitutional foundation. That’s what is at risk right now,” the Minnesota Republican continued.
Bush, who said he supports the Senate’s immigration reform plan, which prescribes a 13-year pathway to citizenship, seems to believe that cooler heads will prevail among Republicans and that the party stands a chance of winning over future recent immigrant voters.
“My guess is that the messaging will change and that we could garner significant support amongst immigrants from Africa, from Asia, from Latin America,” Bush said.
In the House, Bachmann is working hard to raise the alarm that the opposite is true. She, along with Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), are also circulating a petition this week calling for a special conference meeting in the House that would force additional debate on an immigration bill, her office confirmed to ABC News.
It’s unclear how many House Republicans will sign the petition, but it could be an indication of how steep the climb toward a comprehensive bill– especially one with a pathway to citizenship–will be in the House.
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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/06/will-republicans-listen-to-jeb-bush-about-immigration-reform/
Jeb Bush is trying his best to convince his fellow Republicans that immigration reform is good for the party, despite concerns among some that there is little to gain politically from allowing a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants.
“It’s always: immigrants don’t like Republicans. Why? Why do we assume that?” Bush lamented today at a Bipartisan Policy Center event on immigration. “Why do we assume it’s always going to be that way because it currently is that way?”
Bush is ardently making the case that Hispanic and Asian American voting patterns, which currently favor Democrats, won’t always be that way if Republicans do something about it.
According to the former Florida governor, the answer lies in creating a more optimistic, aspirational message that resonates more with recent immigrants.
“So I would argue that Republicans win when we are positive and hopeful and aspriational. And we draw people towards our cause when we do that,” Bush said. “If we just play the game that we’re for less government … that message is not aspirational, it’s not very hopeful, it’s not particularly optimistic, and we could lose.”
But if Rep. Michelle Bachmann’s warnings are any indication—that immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship will mean the end of the Republican Party—Jeb Bush has a lot of convincing to do.
“This is President Obama’s number one political agenda because he knows we will never again have a Republican president ever if amnesty goes into effect,” Bachmann told conservative website World Net Daily this week. “We will perpetually have a progressive liberal president, probably a Democrat and we will probably see the House of Representatives go into Democrat hands and the Senate will stay in Democrat hands.”
“So you’ll have a permanent liberal progressive Democrat class. And you will never again be able to see the country go back to its constitutional foundation. That’s what is at risk right now,” the Minnesota Republican continued.
Bush, who said he supports the Senate’s immigration reform plan, which prescribes a 13-year pathway to citizenship, seems to believe that cooler heads will prevail among Republicans and that the party stands a chance of winning over future recent immigrant voters.
“My guess is that the messaging will change and that we could garner significant support amongst immigrants from Africa, from Asia, from Latin America,” Bush said.
In the House, Bachmann is working hard to raise the alarm that the opposite is true. She, along with Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) and Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Texas), are also circulating a petition this week calling for a special conference meeting in the House that would force additional debate on an immigration bill, her office confirmed to ABC News.
It’s unclear how many House Republicans will sign the petition, but it could be an indication of how steep the climb toward a comprehensive bill– especially one with a pathway to citizenship–will be in the House.
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Yes indeed, its a knife that cuts both ways. Damned if you , damn if you don't no way around it. This is the predicament you find yourself in after decades of playing avoid the consequences by compromising your morals and ethics.
Both parties have been playing the death by a thousand cuts game for some time now. At this point in the game they are both bleeding out. They are both going to die, it just a matter of which one keels over first and who is the last party to hold the burning bag of shit they created.
“My guess is that the messaging will change and that we could garner significant support amongst immigrants from Africa, from Asia, from Latin America,” Bush said.
The message will change as it always does, it is all about crafting it for the moment......at the next stop, in the next speech, for the next audience, etc, etc, etc.
Casting a vote for either party is like handing a heroin addict another needle so they can shoot up. Just one more fix and I promise I will quit.....
Go Devil
06-17-2013, 07:25
Like I stated, collaborators.
The only intended result in pandering to the immigrant is to secure power for themselves.
Tell me what a sub culture with a high birth rate and an expepected low wage is going to garner but a massive addition to welfare and social security costs laid upon my back?
Like I stated, the Republican Party is dead and thus ineffectual.
The Reaper
06-17-2013, 15:40
So old Jeb wants to let the Hispanics in and give them amnesty, then woo them into the Republican party, like they have attracted black voters.
Hmm. :rolleyes:
Looks like about 10,000,000 new Democratic voters to me, with an open invitation for more. Write Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Florida off the electoral map for the Repubs, permanently. Alta Mexico returns.
Great strategy.
TR
So old Jeb wants to let the Hispanics in and give them amnesty, then woo them into the Republican party, like they have attracted black voters.
Hmm. :rolleyes:
Looks like about 10,000,000 new Democratic voters to me, with an open invitation for more. Write Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Florida off the electoral map for the Repubs, permanently. Alta Mexico returns.
Great strategy.
TR
Same attitude I had until I thought it all the way through.
If a 200-mph racecar driver knows he's going into the wall at some point, sometimes it causes less damage to avoid centrifugal momentum and drive into it immediately.
Assimilation of these illegals is 100% imminent. This Country will never be able to take the correct action of rounding them up and deporting all of them. Next best thing is to make Conservatives out of them; or try to.
It's just one of those irreversible events such as homo Scouts and Soldiers, female grunts, Plan B, ad nauseum.
All we can hope for is to minimize the damage until we get the communists out of political control.
The plan is for the bill to die in the House, to be used by the dems as propaganda for the "Republicans are hater racists" programs in the 2014 Congressionals.
Caveat...as long as the borders are secured first.
Suicide!
In 2012, President Obama famously won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote to Mitt Romney's 27 percent. If all other factors remained the same, how large a percentage of the Hispanic vote would Romney have had to win to capture the White House?
What if Romney had won 44 percent of the Hispanic vote, the high-water mark for Republicans achieved by George W. Bush in 2004? As it turns out, if Romney had hit that Bush mark, he still would have lost, with 240 electoral votes to 298 for Obama.
But what if Romney had been able to make history and attract 50 percent of Hispanic voters? What then? He still would have been beaten, 283 electoral votes to 255.
What if Romney had been able to do something absolutely astonishing for a Republican and win 60 percent of the Hispanic vote? He would have lost by the same margin, 283 electoral votes to 255.
But what if Romney had been able to reach a mind-blowing 70 percent of the Hispanic vote? Surely that would have meant victory, right? No, it wouldn't. Romney still would have lost, although by the narrowest of electoral margins, 270 to 268. (Under that scenario, Romney would have won the popular vote but lost in the Electoral College; he could have racked up huge numbers of Hispanic votes in California, New York and Texas, for example, and not changed the results in those states.)
According to the Times' calculator, Romney would have had to win 73 percent of the Hispanic vote to prevail in 2012. Which suggests that Romney, and Republicans, had bigger problems than Hispanic voters.
Full article: http://washingtonexaminer.com/byron-york-winning-hispanic-vote-would-not-be-enough-for-gop/article/2528730
That ain't going to happen.
Pat
So old Jeb wants to let the Hispanics in and give them amnesty, then woo them into the Republican party, like they have attracted black voters.
Hmm. :rolleyes:
Looks like about 10,000,000 new Democratic voters to me, with an open invitation for more. Write Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Florida off the electoral map for the Repubs, permanently. Alta Mexico returns.
Great strategy.
TR
I concur with you 100% on your assessment Reaper -Sir!
With the current welfare state firmly in place in the U.S., all of those illegal aliens are going to vote for the party that promises them the "good life". (They don't stop to think about what happens when the welfare well runs dry!) In addition, with "chain migration" you are talking about, what, maybe 30 million or more new Democrats?
There is a reason why this is Obummer's No. 1 priority. It will establish a permanent Democrat majority; and his ACORN-types won't have to go all out with voter fraud to win future elections.
If you'll pardon my crudity, Jeb Bush has his head up his ass, and is NO friend of this Republic. Remember the huge mistake Ronald Reagan made back in 1986? "Amnesty with secure borders"? We got the amnesty alright; but we never got the secure borders. We are STILL waiting for that to happen. There are those among us who see the sovereign nation-state as a thing of the past; and I'm afraid the entire Bush family is among them.
Remember the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership) boondoggle back in 2005?
Yes, that's the one that would have essentially erased the borders between the United States, Canada and Mexico. President George Bush was front and center on that with then Mexican president, Vicente Fox, and the then current president of Canada. Pres. Bush even went so far as to call the "minutemen" watching our southern border and reporting what they were seeing to the Border Patrol, as "vigilantes".
No, it appears obvious that some - if not most - of these "elites" do not want our borders secured. That leads to loss of sovereignty. In my book that makes them traitors. (This was a page taken directly from the CFR handbook. The same sort of page back in 1957 - the Treaty of Rome - that set in motion the plans for the European Onion - OK "Union". We see how well that has worked out haven't we? This was supposedly all about TRADE. Well as some of us have been able to figure out, it was NOT all about trade - it was about consolidation of power. As far as I'm concerned, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.)
The only newsman who even mentioned this back then was (old marine) Lou Dobbs on CNN. No-one else breathed so much as a word about it - not Sean Hannity, not Bill ("we're looking out for you") O'Reilly, nobody. Two years later, in 2007, Glenn Beck raised the subject as if it was breaking news. No, that news was 2 years old.
Anymore, I watch carefully what these politicians DO, not what they say. All too often they have a habit of doing serious damage to what is left of the Republic.
I'm still hopeful that Allen West might be able to run for president. He seems to be a man with his eyes open, with no politically correct illusions, and a true patriot.
Same attitude I had until I thought it all the way through.
If a 200-mph racecar driver knows he's going into the wall at some point, sometimes it causes less damage to avoid centrifugal momentum and drive into it immediately.
Assimilation of these illegals is 100% imminent. This Country will never be able to take the correct action of rounding them up and deporting all of them. Next best thing is to make Conservatives out of them; or try to.
It's just one of those irreversible events such as homo Scouts and Soldiers, female grunts, Plan B, ad nauseum.
All we can hope for is to minimize the damage until we get the communists out of political control.
The plan is for the bill to die in the House, to be used by the dems as propaganda for the "Republicans are hater racists" programs in the 2014 Congressionals.
Caveat...as long as the borders are secured first.
There is some truth in your 200 mph analogy, however in this case you better have a plan in place for after the smoke clears and you had better have a plan that sets you apart from your competition. Secondly, amnesty is nearly 100% assured but assimulation into society is not.
At present I see the Repubs as a party of oppourtunists that changes direction at the slightest breeze.
If you'll pardon my crudity, Jeb Bush has his head up his ass, and is NO friend of this Republic.
There's probably nobody on this board more Conservative-leaning than myself, but sometimes you have to be pragmatic without capitulating. Suppose you have a choice between Jeb and Hillary; you have 3 actions to take:vote for him, vote for her, or don't vote at all. Which would you? If the third choice, you give Hillary a half-vote. Then, we're screwed for 4 more years.
Similarly, we need both sides of Congress in 2014; immigration reform is going to take place, regardless of how strongly you and I oppose it. As long as the borders are secured first as part of the bill, we honestly don't have anything to lose with regard of the rest of it that measures up to the loss of the House in 2014 because we'll be construed as racists for opposing it.
There is just gonna be some legislation that we have to live with, and will never be able to change by being the Party in power, e.g. the female vote.
I think most people would be surprised to learn why the dems want the bill passed, anyway (apart from the election strategy).
Did you read Hanson's take on it?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/351213/illegal-immigration-elite-illiberality-victor-davis-hanson/page/0/1
ddoering
06-17-2013, 19:11
There's probably nobody on this board more Conservative-leaning than myself, but sometimes you have to be pragmatic without capitulating. Suppose you have a choice between Jeb and Hillary; you have 3 actions to take:vote for him, vote for her, or don't vote at all. Which would you? If the third choice, you give Hillary a half-vote. Then, we're screwed for 4 more years.
Similarly, we need both sides of Congress in 2014; immigration reform is going to take place, regardless of how strongly you and I oppose it. As long as the borders are secured first as part of the bill, we honestly don't have anything to lose with regard of the rest of it that measures up to the loss of the House in 2014 because we'll be construed as racists for opposing it.
There is just gonna be some legislation that we have to live with, and will never be able to change by being the Party in power, e.g. the female vote.
I think most people would be surprised to learn why the dems want the bill passed, anyway (apart from the election strategy).
Did you read Hanson's take on it?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/351213/illegal-immigration-elite-illiberality-victor-davis-hanson/page/0/1
I will vote for Hillary and prepare for the chaos that will ensue. These assholes are taking the country to hell in a handcart and I believe we should all help them pump. When the money dries up and they can't deliver on their promises the mob will turn on them and I will watch from a safe location. Think of it as political jujitsu.
There's probably nobody on this board more Conservative-leaning than myself, but sometimes you have to be pragmatic without capitulating. Suppose you have a choice between Jeb and Hillary; you have 3 actions to take:vote for him, vote for her, or don't vote at all. Which would you? If the third choice, you give Hillary a half-vote. Then, we're screwed for 4 more years.
Similarly, we need both sides of Congress in 2014; immigration reform is going to take place, regardless of how strongly you and I oppose it. As long as the borders are secured first as part of the bill, we honestly don't have anything to lose with regard of the rest of it that measures up to the loss of the House in 2014 because we'll be construed as racists for opposing it.
There is just gonna be some legislation that we have to live with, and will never be able to change by being the Party in power, e.g. the female vote.
I think most people would be surprised to learn why the dems want the bill passed, anyway (apart from the election strategy).
Did you read Hanson's take on it?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/351213/illegal-immigration-elite-illiberality-victor-davis-hanson/page/0/1
Thank you for the link to Hanson's article. I think it is excellent.
What nobody addresses is what are all of those business owners - especially agribusiness - going to do when all of the illegal aliens (now) become legal? Does anyone think that those newly-legalized are going to want to remain picking fruit & vegetables, or working as hotel maids, or in the (what was once GOOD work) meat industry for the paltry wages they currently receive? Hell no! Neither would you, or I, or anyone with a brain in their heads. They are going to look for better jobs, with better pay and better benefits - and with affirmative action, and other "race-based" set-asides and preferences, they will get them; most likely ahead of American citizens who are more qualified.
Then the country will need even MORE illegal aliens to "do the jobs that Americans just won't do" (for the slave wages, lousy working conditions and NO benefits).
And we STILL will not see our southern border secured! These "elites" seem determined to create a permanent underclass, into which more and more of what used to be the "middle class" will fall into, as good jobs become even more scarce than they are already. And the once-great United States will start to resemble, more and more, a third class banana republic. We are already well on our way.
Last November, I held my nose and voted for Mitt Romney, even though he was certainly not the best man for the job. Unfortunately, as other posters have noted, we are essentially given the choice of THE LESSER OF TWO WEEVILS come election time; because only those "vetted" by the "elites" ever make it to that level in national politics. Anybody outside of Oklahoma ever hear of Sen. Inhofe? Not many. Nor will they, because he seems to be an honest conservative; and as such has already reached the "glass ceiling" in politics beyond which most can never go. (And the "handlers", like Karl Rove, will see to it that not many hear of him - or anyone like him. And boy did the Rinos in Congress ever do a job on Michele Bachmann, who is not going to run for re-election.)
Conversely, before 2008, did many people (outside of the activist circles of Chicago) ever hear of Barack Hussein Obama? Nope. How did HE, as a pissant junior senator, get to become the Democratic front-runner for the 2008 presidential election?? You gotta wonder. Something definitely stinks - and it isn't just in Denmark - it's right here in the good old U.S. of A.. And it has been for some time now.
If you want a good read try "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time" by Carroll Quigley. Try to get a version printed in Taiwan if possible; because shortly after the book was printed the powers that be thought that Quigley revealed a little too much of their game plan. They had all the copies they could recalled and heavily edited, then re-issued.
And, with all due respect, sir, if all of that sounds a little too tinfoil-hat for you, consider this quote from Benjamin Disraeli: “The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.”
That was from one who knew.
Then the country will need even MORE illegal aliens to "do the jobs that Americans just won't do" (for the slave wages, lousy working conditions and NO benefits).
And we STILL will not see our southern border secured! These "elites" seem determined to create a permanent underclass, into which more and more of what used to be the "middle class" will fall into, as good jobs become even more scarce than they are already. And the once-great United States will start to resemble, more and more, a third class banana republic. We are already well on our way.
Yep and that is how it works.
20-30 years ago there was a booming business in family owned pork and chicken in Dusty's AO. You can still see the vast remnants of this this thriving business up and down the highway.
With the assistance of the USDA and EPA, Tyson's bought these businesses or put them out of business and they put the farm kids and their knowledge to work. In the beginning they paid a good wage with benefits, then at some point they started bringing in Mexicans for cheaper labor and after that they brought in cheaper Somali's refugees to work at the poultry plants.....as noted below.
NOEL, Mo. — The Elk River makes the turn under the overhanging cliffs at the edge of this Ozarks town to flow just below the quaint business district.
On a recent afternoon, customers shopped for fresh eggs and calf feed in Landon’s Feed & Seed. A man touched his brim to two women coming out of the cafe. Senior citizens chatted in front of the post office.
Then a young man’s shout filled the street: “F… you, n…..r!”
He jumped in a pickup where a friend waited and sped away. Inside an old storefront, now an Islamic mosque, those preparing to pray carried on.
It happens here, the n-word. Other slurs for other people, too. From the heart they come — loud, with spit.
And the river keeps rolling. Doing what it’s done for decades — bring visitors to pretty little Noel, nicknamed the Christmas City…
…“Some people don’t hide the fact they don’t like what’s going on here,” said Mayor James Carroll, who tries to keep things calm.
There’s no denying a seething undertone of discomfort bred by a mixing of cultures. The town gets too quiet, with too many stares. Some people are scared.
In recent years, hundreds of immigrants have come to Noel to work in a Tyson Foods chicken plant…
…Two other people told The Star they wouldn’t care a lick if the Tyson plant and its 1,500 jobs burned to the ground. Some here think more of those jobs should have gone to locals.
Last October, about 130 mostly Somali workers walked out of the plant during a dispute with officials over prayer time. As they gathered on Main Street, fear grew that the incident could turn violent. Several armed local men were stopped by law enforcement, according to Carroll, the mayor.
A dozen Highway Patrol troopers and sheriff’s officials arrived in force…
…Today, nearly a thousand of the plant’s 1,500 workers are considered minorities, Sparkman said. Hourly wages run from $9.05 to $10.70, with the average on the high end.
The plant, next to the River Ranch Resort and across from Rosa’s Mexican Store, runs 24/7, three shifts. Tractor-trailers constantly run in and out — live chickens going in, packaged legs, thighs and boneless breasts headed out.
The processing work is hard, dangerous, cold, and, according to workers, a little nasty. But it is meat processing. Nasty is on the menu.
Still, workers appreciate Tyson for giving them jobs. Whatever the duty, it is better than what they had before.
“Somalis come from a place of civil war,” said Farah Burale, who works at Tyson and helps foreign workers get accustomed to working in America. “There was no government. No police. Kids with AK-47s. They all know somebody killed there.
“Here, they work, make money to live and even send some home.”
Noel works better for them than a large city. Rent here is usually only $450 or so. They live cheap.
Plus, as Burale said: “Chicken plants don’t need English.”
It is all true, what they don't tell you is that Noel has become a Company Town and a scarey no mans land of violence and illegal activity that the locals don't like. The Mexicans sell drugs and the Somalis......aside from their religious rituals they don't mention that prior to this incident the FBI busted a terrorist cell with bomb making materials.
On the other side of the 71 highway, they have a Baptist Church with a Black Ethiopian Minster to an all white congregation.
It's not as much about about race as it is about the non-assimilating scourge that Tyson's and others have brought into the community.
Cheap always comes with a hidden price.
I don't condone instant legality/citizenship/rights. I'm aware how detrimental that would be.
I'm saying we can't fight that battle head-on. We need to reacquire the power inherent in the posession of both Houses in combination with the Presidency, and we have to get the Senate in 2014 in order to do that. We won't do that if the dems are able to pull the race card, again.
Sure; it's a distasteful strategem, and desperate. The times call for that type of action.
Badger52
06-18-2013, 06:28
When the money dries up and they can't deliver on their promises the mob will turn on them and I will watch from a safe location. Think of it as political jujitsu.("No Time for Sergeants" in the Purple Grotto.)
"Ya want some keroseeeeene, ya get some keroseeene."
Hand 'em a match & listen for the flashoff.
I don't condone instant legality/citizenship/rights. I'm aware how detrimental that would be.
I'm saying we can't fight that battle head-on. We need to reacquire the power inherent in the posession of both Houses in combination with the Presidency, and we have to get the Senate in 2014 in order to do that. We won't do that if the dems are able to pull the race card, again.
Sure; it's a distasteful strategem, and desperate. The times call for that type of action.
Concur - this is distasteful.
If we must reward law breakers (and IMO, lawful residency in the US is still a reward) - a pathway to lawful residency not citizenship (no voting rights) unless and until they duly apply and qualify as a citizen is a reasonable approach.
But, we must fix the leak first (secure the border) or at least simultaneously with this or any similar program or we face the same shit in a decade or so.
But, we must fix the leak first (secure the border) or at least simultaneously with this or any similar program or we face the same shit in a decade or so.
It'd be necessary to do everything possible to make that happen, regardless.