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I not sure if I should cry or laugh.
Cry: This is a stupidly expensive toy that looks to have "average" accuracy.
Laugh: Because they probably have a line out the door with fools throwing money on the table to get one,, or more..
Don't get me wrong, I can see the technology coming down the road,, but these guys are a bit to proud of their toys..
Has anyone played with one??
Bullseye from 1,000 yards: Shooting the $17,000 Linux-powered rifle
ARM CPUs, lasers, and Wi-Fi make firing this weapon an experience like no other.
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/03/bullseye-from-1000-yards-shooting-the-17000-linux-powered-rifle/
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Not sure how user friendly a rifle will be if it sends the round downrange only after further target alignment when you pull the trigger.
When I line up a target and squeeze, that firing pin better be on the way most ricky tick. :D
With ver 1.0, You must wait until jag-sheeple review the ROE on their ipads..
In ver 2.0, jag pulls the trigger.. :D
mark46th
04-23-2013, 14:54
Kinda takes the fun out of shooting....
Oh, I can see the skit now.
Guy tags someone beforehand. Walks up, starts talking junk. All of a sudden everyone pulls out a gun. He's busy swinging the gun around like crazy hoping he can get it to align properly for the kill shot. Meanwhile the other guy just blows his brains out.
:D
theis223
04-23-2013, 15:26
Not only does it takes the fun out of it but why the hell would you want something that looks like a damn video game?:confused::rolleyes:
longrange1947
04-23-2013, 15:43
I have played with a bunch of systems that is supposed to "read the winds" and correct for you. NONE ever worked in winds above that required to knock you off target. IN other words, none worked.
I have not used this system, but the system reads winds at the shooter's location, i.e., scope. Not a good idea especially if in a house shooting out. No wind to big wind. Mountains, no wind your location BIG wind down by the notch in the mountains that your bullet must fly. How about this one, and this one I have been in too many times, very small amount of wind left to right your location, BIG wind right to left mid range.
Second problem mentioned by DocIllinois, I squeeze the trigger I expect things to happen. When lock time goes up so does the rate of shooter error.
Overall, I will be form Missouri and you need to show me, and not just on a calm day at a target about 200 to 400 meters away. Those are gimmee ranges! Our students shoot 3 second head shots at those ranges.
Badger52
04-24-2013, 05:12
Microsoft will never let this happen.
DIYPatriot
04-24-2013, 09:18
Microsoft will never let this happen. I was thinking something along those lines too. If MS latches onto this the phrase "Blue screen of death" will take on a whole new meaning! Joking aside, if I'm not mistaken didn't a hunting ranch in Texas try this around '05 in an online hunting venture? For some reason, I recall hearing about that and how the TX Game/Wildlife Agency didn't even have laws on the books to govern "online hunting". Im working from a handheld and on the road today so I'll have to look into it later. Im curious now
miclo18d
04-24-2013, 09:22
As far as future tech goes, if the sniper were to deploy to the location first could he set out wifi wind sensors out at certain ranges or fly a equipped raven to deploy such sensors? That might be an accurate weapon or should there be a hand held device for the spotter to input winds and info and even mark targets that would show up in snipers scope or automatically adjust the scope?
Just askin the pros here, I just pronounced them dead after you guys took the shot.
:D:D:D
I always thought that a similar system should be implemented for perimeter defense around bases. Systems should be mounted on water towers, antenna tower, even watch towers.
With known distances, day/night/LLTV/IR sights, known wind, known ammo, known temperature, it seems that a remotely operated electrically driven rifle would be like the M1 tank fire control system: point and shoot.
With all of the ballistics precomputed, once zeroed in and from a stable platform, a gunner could reach out and touch someone at a kilometer or so. All weather, day night, from a bunker control room. (Yes, much like a video game).
Not that it would replace the experienced and diligent Togo security in their watchtowers, but it would help. Modern LLTV and the same logic that automates the tracking of shoplifters in a mall or card cheats at a casino should be able to pick out a group of bodies assembling in an area too close to a perimeter fence.
I always thought that a similar system should be implemented for perimeter defense around bases. Systems should be mounted on water towers, antenna tower, even watch towers.
or mobile units??
link: Weaponized RipSaw-MS2 UGV (http://www.defense-update.com/products/r/ripsaw_ms2_141209.html)
Automated security - just what a OBL Jr. wannabe hacker needs to turn the things around...
longrange1947
04-24-2013, 11:31
As far as future tech goes, if the sniper were to deploy to the location first could he set out wifi wind sensors out at certain ranges or fly a equipped raven to deploy such sensors? That might be an accurate weapon or should there be a hand held device for the spotter to input winds and info and even mark targets that would show up in snipers scope or automatically adjust the scope?
Just askin the pros here, I just pronounced them dead after you guys took the shot.
Yes, that is how one group of charlatans got theirs to work. They put out sensors down range and read the winds at 200 meter intervals. Take care with things that send out signals though, they are like tracers, you can read them both ways. :eek: :munchin
There needs to be a device that the spotter can use to read winds ACCURATELY at all ranges. This is critical at the longer ranges, 800 and beyond. I hate to place a bunch of stuff in the shooters scope as it can become a distraction while shooting, especially if the winds are varible and he is trying to make shifts to compensate. A spotter can watch the wind changes and have the sniper fire on a change he is holding. One device was set up in quarter moa increments and that sucker was a constant buzz of movement. Told them to use quarter mil shifts and the observer can interrupte from there. I know some want the shooter to do all the work, but that is not a good way of doing business when he has to settle down to make the shot. Again I know, there will be the "I can do it", great, but most cannot and we need to set up for the most.
My 2 cents
frostfire
04-24-2013, 12:23
There needs to be a device that the spotter can use to read winds ACCURATELY at all ranges. This is critical at the longer ranges, 800 and beyond.
My 2
A satellite feed to the spotter scope/pda?
I'm sure there's algorithm out there already that transposes temperature/infrared scan to pressure gradient and in turn wind speed. The weather satellite and airline infrastructure should be able to provide the platform. Perhaps not in small increment but critiical spots ie. at shooter to 200m, half, then 2/3 (apogee of the trajectory? :D), and at stark shift of terrain feature
Also, for that linux system to work, shooter error in trigger squeeze should be eliminated via electronic trigger. During bullseye practice, an intl pistol olympic shooter showed me that set up fr his 50m small bore. Just touch and bang
perdurabo
04-24-2013, 14:07
As far as I can tell from the TrackingPoint (manufacturer) website, this thing is wholly marketed to civilians. They don't seem to be set up for government sales at all, at this time. Uses electronics components that would get torn up in the field. Nothing says the technology won't later be adopted for professional use, of course. But not in this iteration.
Seems like another entry in the "civilian operator" market. And if I hear another corny civilian use sniper lingo like "send it", I'm going to scream.
miclo18d
04-24-2013, 15:49
Yes, that is how one group of charlatans got theirs to work. They put out sensors down range and read the winds at 200 meter intervals. Take care with things that send out signals though, they are like tracers, you can read them both ways. :eek: :munchin
There needs to be a device that the spotter can use to read winds ACCURATELY at all ranges. This is critical at the longer ranges, 800 and beyond. I hate to place a bunch of stuff in the shooters scope as it can become a distraction while shooting, especially if the winds are varible and he is trying to make shifts to compensate. A spotter can watch the wind changes and have the sniper fire on a change he is holding. One device was set up in quarter moa increments and that sucker was a constant buzz of movement. Told them to use quarter mil shifts and the observer can interrupte from there. I know some want the shooter to do all the work, but that is not a good way of doing business when he has to settle down to make the shot. Again I know, there will be the "I can do it", great, but most cannot and we need to set up for the most.
My 2 cents
Okay my second "shot" :D
A ground based Doppler radar system/wind profiler/SODAR on each FOB/base/area that reads winds shoots the info to a sat transmitter and ground based sniper team has a device that picks up the feed they can put in their location, and the gun gives the direction of aim and the computer calculated windage using the downloaded real time wind velocities. For the sniper end it would be passive as they only receive the info from a SAT.
Sounds expensive no doubt. This system could also be transmitted to pilots for wx reports and field units for storms and such.
As far as in the scope objects. I was thinking that the spotter scope and sniper scope could be "coupled" where when the spotter or sniper see something they can mark it in their scope and the other can see it in theirs. Like an instant talk-on. You could mark reference points that would show up when they came in view and even mark other targets for follow-on shots. If its too cluttered in the scope have a kill switch that turns it all off for your shot.
Just laying out some thoughts. It got me thinking.
longrange1947
04-24-2013, 21:17
Okay my second "shot" :D
A ground based Doppler radar system/wind profiler/SODAR on each FOB/base/area that reads winds shoots the info to a sat transmitter and ground based sniper team has a device that picks up the feed they can put in their location, and the gun gives the direction of aim and the computer calculated windage using the downloaded real time wind velocities. For the sniper end it would be passive as they only receive the info from a SAT.
Sounds expensive no doubt. This system could also be transmitted to pilots for wx reports and field units for storms and such.
As far as in the scope objects. I was thinking that the spotter scope and sniper scope could be "coupled" where when the spotter or sniper see something they can mark it in their scope and the other can see it in theirs. Like an instant talk-on. You could mark reference points that would show up when they came in view and even mark other targets for follow-on shots. If its too cluttered in the scope have a kill switch that turns it all off for your shot.
Just laying out some thoughts. It got me thinking.
The radar would do no good for a distant sniper FFP. The wind can be radically different in just 800 meters, and even shorter in an urban and mountain environment. While it could work on a FOB environment, the warming created by the radar would be a learned warning that someone is being targeted.
MK262MOD1
04-25-2013, 16:52
Nothing can currently beat reading the winds with a mk1mod0 eyeball. Instead of paying for systems that can't accurately read micro weather and wind changes, buy some ammo go to the range, learn the weapon and its hold offs.
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(1VB)compforce
08-18-2014, 08:13
I would think that a spotting scope that would read the mirage and accurately model the flight of the round would be more effective than playing around on the weapon system itself. Let the shooter focus on holds or scope adjustments normally, but make the spotter the deadly accurate one. Most trained shooters can hit a man-sized sillhouette at 1000 yards IF they get a good call from the spotter (and winds don't gust during the shot or call) and they have the time to settle.
The spotting scope could use the same technology as a camera's autofocus to read the mirage. Start at 0 and bring the focus out slowly (for a computer) reading the mirage every 10 yards or so. Read the "motion" in the image to determine wind speed (the same way a person does). Just do it multiple times that would take too long for a human. Stop when the target is in focus. Throw out any statistical outliers that might be caused by a person or animal moving around. With a software package or module loaded via USB, with ammo, weapon and scope metrics, it could then call the adjustments for the shooter output on the reticle of the spotting scope. "small ball, 12U 4R/hold 1R" The spotter then gets a good call and the shooter can focus on shooting rather than reading the output. Of course there are other things that would come into play such as gusting winds that would require a longer calibration. There's also the question of moving targets and such.
A spotting scope like that would deal with midrange wind changes like valley shooting and remove human error from things like incorrect elevation or math. It would also be able (with a few additional sensors) of dealing with humidity and weather variables. The down side is it would be basically useless in the rain.
My thought has always been that the spotter is the one that makes the shot when paired with a shooter that knows how to shoot. That's where I'd focus on making it more efficient.
Just a pre-caffeine thought...
(1VB)compforce
08-18-2014, 08:20
Second problem mentioned by DocIllinois, I squeeze the trigger I expect things to happen. When lock time goes up so does the rate of shooter error.
How is that different from two stage triggers like in the M-21 system? We were taught (in the 80's) to generally get on target, pull the first stage, hold and correct/finalize aim then pull for the shot. Do you only consider the second stage "lock time"? Is that why they went to a single stage trigger in the M24 and variants?
Not a smart-ass question, I'm curious about how your statement applies to the way I was taught.
Guymullins
08-18-2014, 11:52
If I wanted to kill someone at such extreme ranges, my first choice would be a letter bomb. If I wanted to kill animals at such distances I would consider poisoning the waterhole.
If I wanted to kill someone at such extreme ranges, my first choice would be a letter bomb. If I wanted to kill animals at such distances I would consider poisoning the waterhole.
Guy
You're just a softy.. :D
frostfire
06-12-2016, 22:25
As far as I can tell from the TrackingPoint (manufacturer) website, this thing is wholly marketed to civilians. They don't seem to be set up for government sales at all, at this time. Uses electronics components that would get torn up in the field. Nothing says the technology won't later be adopted for professional use, of course. But not in this iteration.
Seems like another entry in the "civilian operator" market. And if I hear another corny civilian use sniper lingo like "send it", I'm going to scream.
Seems they're moving to gov sales, which makes sense if your product costs $15000 and up each.
I have to play with one to truly test the authenticity of the amazing feat on this vid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBlZH2Vi50I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKldy2YNAHk
http://tracking-point.com/sites/all/themes/trackingpoint_tao/images/tp-doctrine.pdf
If the U.S. Army testing of TrackingPoint 338LM, Yuma Proving Grounds, 29 October 2014 is accurate, this just might be the next game changer. Heck, now Call of Duty "veterans" can become effective leadslingers instantly with zero hour in BRM. Imagine the savings!
I remember it took Horus reticle a while for folks to warm up to.
Team Sergeant
06-13-2016, 09:41
Seems they're moving to gov sales, which makes sense if your product costs $15000 and up each.
If the U.S. Army testing of TrackingPoint 338LM, Yuma Proving Grounds, 29 October 2014 is accurate, this just might be the next game changer. Heck, now Call of Duty "veterans" can become effective leadslingers instantly with zero hour in BRM. Imagine the savings!
LOL, yeah, this is the US military where it takes decades to approve anything, especially if it's extremely lethal......