View Full Version : SS Admin to Purchase 174000 Rounds of Hollow Point Bullets
http://www.infowars.com/social-security-administration-to-purchase-174-thousand-rounds-of-hollow-point-bullets/
What's up with this? :munchin
First it was the Department of Homeland Security, then it was the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and now the Social Security Administration is set to purchase 174,000 rounds of hollow point bullets that will be delivered to 41 locations across the country.
A solicitation posted by the SSA on the FedBizOpps website asks for contractors to supply 174,000 rounds of “.357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition.”
An online ammunition retailer describes the bullets as suitable “for peak performance rivaling and sometimes surpassing handloads in many guns,” noting that the ammo is “a great personal defense bullet.”
The synopsis to the solicitation adds that the ammunition is to be shipped to 41 locations within 60 days of purchase. A separate spreadsheet lists those locations, which include the Social Security headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland as well as major cities across the country including Los Angeles, Detroit, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Denver, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Seattle.
Hollow point bullets are designed to expand as they enter the body, causing maximum damage by tearing apart internal organs.
It’s not outlandish to suggest that the Social Security Administration is purchasing the bullets as part of preparations for civil unrest. Social security welfare is estimated to keep around 40 per cent of senior citizens out of poverty. Should the tap run dry in the aftermath of an economic collapse which the Federal Reserve has already told top banks to prepare for, domestic disorder could ensue if people are refused their benefits.
Indeed, earlier this year the Department of Homeland Security ran a drill called Operation Shield which included turning the entrance of a Florida Social Security office into a checkpoint manned by Federal Protective Service officers armed with semiautomatic rifles.
“With their blue and white SUVs circled around the Main Street office, at least one official was posted on the door with a semiautomatic rifle, randomly checking identifications. And other officers, some with K-9s, sifted through the building,” reported the Daily Commercial.
A rash of solicitations by federal agencies for hollow point bullets in recent months has stoked fears that the government is preparing for civil unrest caused by a financial collapse on a scale similar or even larger to scenes already witnessed in Europe over the last two years.
As we reported yesterday, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has put out a contract for 46,000 rounds of hollow point bullets along with 500 paper targets.
Despite initially asking the bullets to be delivered to the National Weather Service, NOAA claimed this was a “clerical error” and insisted the ammunition was being sent to the Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement. Why powerful hollow point bullets that are designed to tear apart internal organs are needed for practice shooting at paper targets has not been explained.
Back in March, Homeland Security purchased 450 million rounds of .40-caliber hollow point bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage, prompting questions as to why the DHS needed such a large amount of powerful bullets merely for training purposes.
This was followed by another DHS solicitation asking for a further 750 million rounds of assorted bullets, including 357 mag rounds that are able to penetrate walls.
The DHS recently put out an order for riot gear in preparation for the upcoming DNC, RNC and presidential inauguration. The U.S. Army is also busy buying similar equipment.
The DHS also recently purchased a number of bullet-proof checkpoint booths that include ‘stop and go’ lights.
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That's the second time I've seen someone speculate that they are arming up for the elections this year and the 'civil unrest' that will occur regardless of who wins.
This was in the article (http://www.infowars.com/national-weather-service-follows-dhs-in-huge-ammo-purchase/) released yesterday about the NWS purchase:
The DHS recently put out an order for riot gear in preparation for the upcoming DNC, RNC and presidential inauguration. The U.S. Army is also busy buying similar equipment.
The DHS also recently purchased a number of bullet-proof checkpoint booths that include ‘stop and go’ lights.
The federal government is clearly gearing up for the likelihood of civil unrest on a scale that could outstrip what we’ve already seen in countries across Europe.
I've seen people suggest that if Obama looses, or is in fear of losing, that he could enact martial law. Surely this is stuff of tin-foil hat land, but still...
While the riot gear they ordered is in very small quantities (141-157 units ea. https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=dabe33998a35e613c0a2ed438e5966f7&tab=core&_cview=0), when you put it all together what do you have?
Dozer523
08-15-2012, 11:18
I've seen people suggest that if Obama looses, or is in fear of losing, that he could enact martial law. Surely this is stuff of tin-foil hat land, but still... when you put it all together what do you have?
Crap! they were all out of Catcher in the Rye at Barnes and Nobles! I'm gonna have to tape my eyes open!!!
Crap! they were all out of Catcher in the Rye at Barnes and Nobles! I'm gonna have to tape my eyes open!!!
Uh, oh. We must be running out of toilet paper, too! ;)
Pat
Full disclosure, I am a major investor in Alcoa Aluminum.
There is also the chance that the US Gvt. could be buying up the stocks/market of handgun ammo in order to deny availability to others... and/or to put out of business the smaller manufactures in order to consolidate the market, again in order to deny availability to others...
What's up with this? :munchin
It's the power of the internet being put to use.
An update from your source:
The Department of Homeland Security has redacted information relating to the quantity of bullets it is buying following a controversy concerning the agency’s purchase of over a billion rounds of ammo, which many fear is a sign the federal government is preparing for civil unrest in the United States. (http://www.infowars.com/dhs-classifies-ammo-purchase-following-controversy/)
Do we not have armed security guards on duty protecting the SSA buildings, too? I would think there are quite a few buildings, quite a few security guards, and quite a few rounds of ammo which are fired annually for practice.
Now - if the Pomegranate Growers for Obama/Biden or the Chimney Sweeps of Little Havana for Romney/Ryan were buying all that ammo... :rolleyes:
Do we not have armed security guards on duty protecting the SSA buildings, too? I would think there are quite a few buildings, quite a few security guards, and quite a few rounds of ammo which are fired annually for practice.
Now - if the Pomegranate Growers for Obama/Biden or the Chimney Sweeps of Little Havana for Romney/Ryan were buying all that ammo... :rolleyes:
It's been a while but the last time I was down to the IRS office on Green Street I didn't see any armed guards - same with the SSA office here in town.
Ain't for guards - it's for enforcement.
As a side note/question - at the buildings that do have guards - at they SSA/IRS employees or is building security contracted out?
It's been a while but the last time I was down to the IRS office on Green Street I didn't see any armed guards - same with the SSA office here in town.
Ain't for guards - it's for enforcement.
Enforcement is a good point - there are security guards at those govt office bldgs here in Dallas.
That's the second time I've seen someone speculate that they are arming up for the elections this year and the 'civil unrest' that will occur regardless of who wins.
This was in the article (http://www.infowars.com/national-weather-service-follows-dhs-in-huge-ammo-purchase/) released yesterday about the NWS purchase:
I've seen people suggest that if Obama looses, or is in fear of losing, that he could enact martial law. Surely this is stuff of tin-foil hat land, but still...
While the riot gear they ordered is in very small quantities (141-157 units ea. https://www.fbo.gov/?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=dabe33998a35e613c0a2ed438e5966f7&tab=core&_cview=0), when you put it all together what do you have?
This is the same crappola the Dems were putting out about Bush prior to the 08 election. That Bush would enact marshal law and find some way to ensure that the election didn't happen so he could remain in power.
Last time I checked, we had a peaceful transition of power. Maybe someone out there is just guilty of wishful thinking and by putting crap like this out there are hoping for a self fulfilling prophecy.
[W]hen you put it all together what do you have?A car unlike any other.
Ain't for guards - it's for enforcement.FWIW, the SSA's office of the inspector general's office of investigation provides information on its law enforcement activities here (http://oig.ssa.gov/about-oig/offices/office-investigations/our-work).
miclo18d
08-15-2012, 16:22
FWIW, the SSA's office of the inspector general's office of investigation provides information on its law enforcement activities here (http://oig.ssa.gov/about-oig/offices/office-investigations/our-work).
Good info, but you have to look hard it.
Look under careers/Criminal Investigator to see pamphlet. It says that only the Criminal Investigators are armed.
However...
From the SSA site.
We have a staff of approximately 600 employees, 70% of whom are criminal investigators and auditors. However, we also employ information technology specialists, attorneys, program analysts, and management analysts.
600 employees @ 70% (CI and Aud, just CI would be much less) = 420
174000/420 = 414.285714285714
That's about 400 rounds per person that runs a gun at the SSA, perhaps double that as only the CI's have guns. Barely enough rounds to keep them qualified; let alone come and get one of the posters on this site OR even to capture a group of monkeys that escaped from a local zoo for that matter.
I know we were taking 100's of thousands of Title X down to South America to train the LBG's every time I deployed. It was never enough.
600 employees @ 70% (CI and Aud, just CI would be much less) = 420
174000/420 = 414.285714285714
Leave it to the 'bean counters'... :D
miclo18d
08-15-2012, 16:44
:D Somebody has to be responsible...
That's about 400 rounds per person that runs a gun at the SSA, perhaps double that as only the CI's have guns. Barely enough rounds to keep them qualified[.]Does this analysis suggest that the question needs to be turned on its head from "Why so much ammunition?" to "Why so little?"
And from there, could this purchase add to the criticism -- coming from the right and the left -- that the current administration is simply not focused on providing good governance? (That is, the president wants more laws and regulations but has proven unwilling to make sure that the laws already on the books are enforced.)
Inflexible Six
08-16-2012, 05:58
I have to go to St Petersburg and help my mom find a place for the truckload of .40 HP that came with her Social Security check.
Enforcement is a good point - there are security guards at those govt office bldgs here in Dallas.
and I bet that Engrish is a 2nd language?? :eek:
:munchin
Badger52
08-16-2012, 06:26
As a side note/question - at the buildings that do have guards - at they SSA/IRS employees or is building security contracted out?Suspect largely contracted out. Retired buddy from agency across the river (same outfit attempting to find out who committed armed robbery of your cheese) UN-retired himself for a part-time gig with them at an IRS office.
Not to dilute the discussion, but there's a possibility that the ammo could get split out across other agencies and that the buy was simply executed by the agency that had a contracting vehicle in place to execute with. End of FY is fast approaching and those who spend the most get the most on 1 October....
Most here are familiar with that battle drill on some level.
jes' sayin'
promask7
08-16-2012, 08:49
Suspect largely contracted out. Retired buddy from agency across the river (same outfit attempting to find out who committed armed robbery of your cheese) UN-retired himself for a part-time gig with them at an IRS office.
Not to dilute the discussion, but there's a possibility that the ammo could get split out across other agencies and that the buy was simply executed by the agency that had a contracting vehicle in place to execute with. End of FY is fast approaching and those who spend the most get the most on 1 October....
Most here are familiar with that battle drill on some level.
jes' sayin'
That’s correct, I work for a security outfit that holds a federal contract with FPS(Federal Protective Service). I can say that all federal agencies within the state of Washington have at least one armed guard standing a post, in some cases several. I’ve worked SSA’s in the past in and around Seattle, and the fact that the ammo is .357 sig struck me as odd. It’s all .40 cal here.
miclo18d
08-16-2012, 08:55
Does this analysis suggest that the question needs to be turned on its head from "Why so much ammunition?" to "Why so little?"
And from there, could this purchase add to the criticism -- coming from the right and the left -- that the current administration is simply not focused on providing good governance? (That is, the president wants more laws and regulations but has proven unwilling to make sure that the laws already on the books are enforced.)
Not trying to change the OP or to suggest anything, just making an observation.
Observation is that 174.000 rounds of ammo for an agency that has (up to) 420 gun wielding Criminal Investigators, doesn't amount to so much ammo as to be able to purport a conspiracy of government take over. You pointed out the website and I noticed that many SSA officials ARE indeed armed which requires a basic load and rounds for training.
400 rounds for training isn't that much considering I have gone through certain courses where I shot probably more than 3000 9mm rounds in about a week and team training where 400 rounds of pistol ammo per person in one day would be a call for the Bravo's head, for not ordering enough ammo.
I am currently employed by the SSA. All Social Security field offices have "contract" security guards which provide security during hours when offices are open to the public. I asked several guards about the ammunition purchase. They said the ammunition is purchased by OIG and provided to the guards for their annual qualification. Three years ago they did carry .357 Sig, but have since changed to 9mm. I can't imagine a government entity not knowing what caliber it's security forces carry. ;)
Badger52
08-16-2012, 13:28
Three years ago they did carry .357 Sig, but have since changed to 9mm. I can't imagine a government entity not knowing what caliber it's security forces carry. ;)Actually I can absolutely imagine it but, putting them in the best light, perhaps it's a "buy" for someone else. Who else still carries .357 Sig? USSS I thought awhile back, perhaps some others, dunno.
(Not trying to reinforce my previous point necessarily, but it does happen in the G alot.)
"My contracting office is overloaded/I can't execute that big an amount/I can't write such'n'such sole-source justification/blah-blah :boohoo.
"BUT, Harry or Jean over at Agency-X could do it. Their $-execution rate looks better, and my $-obligation rate looks better - maybe we'll BOTH get our budget increases for FY13....and an AWARD" :lifter
...so it sometimes goes. It really isn't much ammo per armed person; hell I fire that at a weekend match.
WholeManin2010
08-16-2012, 18:24
Who else still carries .357 Sig? USSS I thought awhile back, perhaps some others, dunno.
FAMs did when my former unit trained with them last year. Pretty sure they still do.
Who else still carries .357 Sig?
Ziva's BUG is .357 Sig...
The Reaper
08-16-2012, 18:45
Dibs if they can't use it all!
TR
Ziva's BUG is .357 Sig...
That's so hot.
;)
Badger52
08-16-2012, 19:17
Ziva's BUG is .357 Sig...Ever the eye for what counts.
:cool:
The Social Security Administration posted a blog on Thursday to explain why it was planning to purchase 174,000 hollow point bullets.
SSA posted a “Request for Quote for Ammunition” on the FedBizOps.gov website on Aug. 7. The request listed the commodity that SSA desired as “.357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacketed hollow point pistol ammunition.” The quantity listed was “174 TH.”
The SSA’s Office of the Inspector General’s said it posted a new blog on the agency’s website, “Beyond the Numbers (http://oig.ssa.gov/newsroom/blog/2012/08/social-securitys-oig-responds-concerns-over-ammunition-procurement),” “as we strive to be a transparent and accountable government organization for all of our stakeholders.
“With those goals in mind, we thought it would be appropriate to address recent media reports regarding the organization’s purchase of ammunition for our special agents’ duty weapons,” the blog post states.
The blog states that the SSA has 295 special agents who work in 66 offices across the United States.
“These investigators have full law enforcement authority, including executing search warrants and making arrests,” the blog post states. “Our investigators are similar to your State or local police officers.
“They use traditional investigative techniques, and they are armed when on official duty,” the blog post states.
Concern expressed in some media reports about the type of ammunition ordered by the agency is unfounded, the blog states, explaining that the .357 Sig 125 grain bonded jacked hollow point pistol ammunition is “standard issue for many law enforcement agencies” and is appropriate for the work agents perform.
“Our special agents need to be armed and trained appropriately,” the blog post states. “They not only investigate allegations of Social Security fraud, but they also are called to respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees, and customers.”
The blog also links to another post about a fight that broke out near an SSA office in Massachusetts that required action by law enforcement officials.
“SSA is processing more applications than ever, which means more traffic in SSA office,” the blog states. “Employee and visitor safety is the highest priority for OIG, which, together with the Federal Protective Services and local law enforcement, has jurisdiction over SSA workplaces.”
Prior to the blog being posted, CNSNews.com had asked the agency specific questions about its ammunition order. Although some of those questions were addressed by the information provided in the blog, the agency did not say why it needed 174,000 bullets and if that quantity was customary or had increased from previous orders.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/social-security-administration-explains-plan-buy-174000-hollow-point-bullets
Destrier
08-17-2012, 16:41
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/17/agencies-tamp-down-speculation-over-hollow-point-ammo-purchases/
Last hard class
08-17-2012, 17:38
I'm not going to worry until the post office puts in their request.:D
LHC
I'm not going to worry until the post office puts in their request.:D
LHC
LMAO .... :D :D
Like that old joke ....
Q: What does it mean when the flag is half staff outside a P.O. ???
A: They're hiring.
This has even made the rounds (sorry for the pun) on the late night talk shows. Leno brought this up lats night.
His response was ..... "Well, the "Expendables" will be cashing in their S.S. checks here soon.