View Full Version : Top 10 Things to Know Prior to Army Special Forces Training
BMT (RIP)
07-27-2012, 06:42
http://military-fitness.military.com/2012/07/top-ten-things-you-should-know-prior-to-army-special-forces-training.html
BMT
Buffalobob
07-27-2012, 13:13
I think he missed several points by concentrating too much on the physical side of things.
It does not take a lifetime of preparation to succeed. What it takes is an iron will and resolve to not quit and that is first and foremost.
I think he seriously underestimates the need for a person to understand the bodies warning signs such as hydration and tendonitis so as to avoid injury.
He spends way to much time stressing muscle mass instead of mental acuity. But then the Seals go home halfway through medic training and the SF guys continue on hitting the books for another three months or so.
I don't think he knows how many guys wash out in Holding Company before SFAS.
mark46th
07-27-2012, 19:23
The process has changed since I went through in 1971. Back then it was about 40% physical, 30% field knowledge and 30%, FxxK you, I ain't quittin'.....
Dragbag036
07-27-2012, 19:58
My question is, why is Stew Smith, former Navy SEAL and fitness author, writing about my beloved Selection. Do they not have enough to write about with BUDS?:confused:
DB,
It's not personal - it's just business. ;)
I liked that he had this with the DUI:
Special Forces units perform seven doctrinal missions: Unconventional Warfare, Foreign Internal Defense, Special Reconnaissance, Direct Action, Combatting Terrorism, Counter-proliferation, and Information Operations. These missions make Special Forces unique in the U.S. military, because they are employed throughout the three stages of the operational continuum: peacetime, conflict and war.
Richard :munchin
I was just reading this and was throw off by "Ruck Runs". From what I understand from this web-sight ruck running should not be trained, it should be only used when behind in a timed event. Am I mistaken?
I already am to injury prone, so training safely is paramount to me.
x SF med
07-31-2012, 09:57
The process has changed since I went through in 1971. Back then it was about 40% physical, 30% field knowledge and 30%, FxxK you, I ain't quittin'.....
But, Mark.... those don't make him any money.... especially the; FU, I ain't quittin' part
I was just reading this and was throw off by "Ruck Runs". From what I understand from this web-sight ruck running should not be trained, it should be only used when behind in a timed event. Am I mistaken?
I already am to injury prone, so training safely is paramount to me.
I would like to know this too. That sounds painful to do on a regular basis.
I would like to know this too. That sounds painful to do on a regular basis.
If you browse through roughly 50-100 threads on this forum, most QP's HIGHLY recommend against it. With proper training you should be able to maintain a 13-14 minute mile pace, thus keeping you within your desired time goals.
The Reaper
07-31-2012, 16:51
Why should they bother to search and read, when they can just ask to have it repeated, again, just for them?
TR
Why should they bother to search and read, when they can just ask to have it repeated, again, just for them?
TR
My apologies, I forgot the "You owe me" generation is coming into adulthood.
I would like to know this too. That sounds painful to do on a regular basis.
That's exactly what my Jr. Demo guy said right before I fired him. :D
From what I understand from this web-sight ruck running should not be trained, it should be only used when behind in a timed event.
We never practiced any 'ruck running' - however - we constantly practiced 'ruck marching' as a regular part of our fitness program and that usually meant we wound up doing some 'ruck running' part of the time to make the time/distance goals we'd established for ourselves as a team or a unit.
Now y'all can do whatever you like, it's your call, but based on my experiences in Group, trying to take shortcuts with something like this will almost certainly lead to a "But...but...but..." NO GO situation.
Just sayin'...
Richard :munchin
We never practiced any 'ruck running' - however - we constantly practiced 'ruck marching' as a regular part of our fitness program and that usually meant we wound up doing some 'ruck running' part of the time to make the time/distance goals we'd established for ourselves as a team or a unit.
Now y'all can do whatever you like, it's your call, but based on my experiences in Group, trying to take shortcuts with something like this will almost certainly lead to a "But...but...but..." NO GO situation.
Just sayin'...
Richard :munchin
Agreed, but let me add, with shortcut mindsets like that you won't make it past the Gated marches in the SFQC. Not to mention just having to patrol with 90lb rucks in restricted terrain. SF stands for suck fest from what I was told in SFAS. Get used to it.
CH
mark46th
08-02-2012, 13:34
"We never practiced any 'ruck running' - however - we constantly practiced 'ruck marching' as a regular part of our fitness program and that usually meant we wound up doing some 'ruck running' part of the time to make the time/distance goals we'd established for ourselves as a team or a unit." Richard
True, Richard. IIRC< the only time I remember being timed with a ruck sack was a 5 mile with a time limit of 40 minutes in Phase I...
"We never practiced any 'ruck running' - however - we constantly practiced 'ruck marching' as a regular part of our fitness program and that usually meant we wound up doing some 'ruck running' part of the time to make the time/distance goals we'd established for ourselves as a team or a unit." Richard
True, Richard. IIRC< the only time I remember being timed with a ruck sack was a 5 mile with a time limit of 40 minutes in Phase I...
SFQC students are currently required to complete a 12 mile ruck march in 3 hours. IMO this is a very generous amount of time, however, we still have studs that fail it every class. This event is part of the new "Gated Events'' meaning if you fail to meet that standard you are immediately recommended for relief.
I agree that "ruck running" isn't something that you should add to your training plan. However, when performing battle drills, casevacs, etc as a SFQC student you will find yourself having to move at a high rate of speed with a ruck sack on your back. Not to mention the 70lb "T-Shirt" that all of tote around for 6-9 month deployments while on an ODA.
Get used to having to do what is necessary with whatever weight it is that you have to carry.
V/R
CH
greenberetTFS
08-03-2012, 19:44
Murphy's Laws of Combat.........:)
Big Teddy :munchin
True, Richard. IIRC< the only time I remember being timed with a ruck sack was a 5 mile with a time limit of 40 minutes in Phase I...
55 pounds?
The Reaper
08-04-2012, 17:03
55 pounds?
Naah, back then they ran 8:00 miles with a 200 pound ruck.
And it was uphill, both ways. In waist deep snow.
That was the last hard class though.
TR
I did hear that hell froze over when you went through Reaper...