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SouthernDZ
06-27-2012, 15:14
Go on the link below and watch this POS, unfriggin' believable....


"[Pat] Tillman has become such a complicated symbol of sort of Rorschached that you can almost take anything you want in this great American who turns down of millions of dollars to go fight for his country and then he's like, 'Wait a minute. I don't like Afghanistan. I don't believe in the mission we're fighting for. But wait a minute, I'm going to continue to fight just the same as if I did believe in the mission,'" MSNBC's cultural critic Toure said on the network today.

"You know, I mean, for the Army to have the most high-profiled soldier come out of the Army and perhaps criticize the mission would have been devastating for the military. So it's not quite clear what happened, actually, in Afghanistan. I mean, just a very complicated situation. I can see how many people could try to take it in the wrong direction," Toure surmised on the new MSNBC program "The Cycle."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/06/27/msnbcs_toure_did_the_military_purposely_kill_tillm an_to_shut_him_up.html

Team Sergeant
06-27-2012, 15:37
I expect nothing less from a 5th rate tabloid "news" media. Remember CNN and Tailwind......CNN never recovered from those lies.

greenberetTFS
06-27-2012, 16:03
What I got out of that brief video is that Tillmans wife wrote a book titled "The Letter" and insinuated in that book that he wasn't behind the war effort any longer and changed his mind regarding it's validity....... :eek: But was prepared to serve out his time and afterwords tell his side of this story...... :( Is that what you guys got out of that video?.......... :confused:

Big Teddy :munchin

Sigaba
06-27-2012, 18:51
Big Teddy--

My take is that Mr. Toure is trying to boost ratings of a new show by insinuating that others think Ranger Tillman was murdered by his brothers in arms as part of a wider conspiracy to kill him because he was going to speak out against OEF.

Barring any proof, Mr. Toure resorts to weaseling.

"So it's not quite clear what happened, actually, in Afghanistan. I mean, just a very complicated situation. I can see how many people could try to take it in the wrong direction," Toure surmised on the new MSNBC program "The Cycle."The use of the word "so" reflects the kind of asshat thinking that drives Alcoa's share price. It implies a causative link that cannot be disproved. Indeed, the absence of proof makes the argument more compelling to like-minded asshats.


This is also the argument of an intellectual weasel. "I'm not saying this, but others might.":rolleyes:

ZonieDiver
06-27-2012, 19:10
Bullshit!

I do not claim to be an expert on Pat Tillman. However, while most people became aware of him when he gave up a multi-year 3 million dollar contract to stay with the AZ Cardinals, I'd followed his career since he was an undersized LB at Arizona State. Before leaving for the Army, he had a chance to go to another NFL team, for more money, but chose to stay in AZ - because they took a chance on him when NO one else would.

Above all else, Tillman valued loyalty and privacy. HE insisted that his agent NOT publicize what he was doing when he enlisted, and insisted the Army do the same. No matter what he thought, IMHO, there is NO way he would have turned his back on his Ranger brothers - no matter what he thought about the war, the Army, or the President.

MOO/YMMV

Sigaba
06-27-2012, 19:18
MOO, there is overwhelming evidence here and "across the street" that Rangers are going to do their duty regardless of their personal views.

To me, this trait is a testimony to their professionalism, not an indictment of it.

It is absolutely shameful that a journalist would insinuate otherwise.

Dusty
06-27-2012, 19:27
The left loathes the Military, especially the mainstream media. They've been stirring up negative shit whenever possible for decades, and more than likely make shit up.

longrange1947
06-27-2012, 19:29
I find it even more shameful to hint that a Ranger would purposefully kill his Ranger Brother. :mad:

Richard
06-27-2012, 19:41
I saw an interview Monday with his wife talking about her book - she ain't a happy camper about what happened to who she makes out to be the most sensitive LB in the NFL.

Richard :munchin

cjwils3
06-27-2012, 20:29
MOO, there is overwhelming evidence here and "across the street" that Rangers are going to do their duty regardless of their personal views.

To me, this trait is a testimony to their professionalism, not an indictment of it.

It is absolutely shameful that a journalist would insinuate otherwise.

Amen. My brother is a member of that elite brotherhood, and your words are very much appreciated. I've increasingly come to expect low standards of journalism from much of the mainstream media, who it seems love to publicize sensitive information and cash in on grieving families in order to achieve ratings. :mad: :rolleyes:

chance
06-27-2012, 20:59
This is such BS, why can't people just let Ranger Tillman be remembered for the sacrifice he made both for his brother and his country.:mad:

Elder
06-28-2012, 00:43
This guy, "Tourč", is a coward. He feigns as if someone else just dropped a "big terd" in the middle of the table, when it was him.

He wrecklessly disparages the memory and sacrifices of those who didn't survive that day, while at the same time is willing to bring greater torture to the memories still lurking in the dreams and minds of those who did survive that day, including Tillman's understandably conflicted wife.

And he's willing to do so because - in order for some lower forms of life to to build themselves up, they must steal a bit of the nobility, the character and the essense of someone higher than themselves. Not just Tillman, but all of those on the field of battle that day.

And did you notice how they juxtaposed Touré's voice while they show a video of Tillman's mouth moving, almost as if it was Tillman speaking Touré's words.

There is no facet or player in this tragic event Touré isnt willing to exploit.*How pathetic!!!

afchic
06-28-2012, 06:27
Here is where I am confused. Everything I have read about Tillman said he supported the reasons why we were in Afghanistan. Hell that is why he enlisted. But did not support our reasons for going into Iraq. So right at face value, this ass clown doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

Secondly, as others have stated, I don't think there is any way on God's green earth that his brother Rangers turned on him, especially given that his brother was in the same unit. There is no way in hell the brother wouldn't have found out about it either before, which would make him culpable, or after the fact. You can't keep something like that hidden in a unit of that caliber.

I understand that the family is upset with DoD, and rightly so. They blatantly lied to the family's face, and then walked away with their tail between their legs when found out. But just because some GOs made a piss poor decision to release fabricated information on how he died does not mean his brothers in arms did it to keep him quiet.

Badger52
06-28-2012, 07:20
"So... I heard that MSNBC has refused to divulge what they REALLY know about Vince Foster."

:rolleyes:

morphodyte POS clowns

Richard
06-28-2012, 07:26
Everything I have read about Tillman said he supported the reasons why we were in Afghanistan. Hell that is why he enlisted. But did not support our reasons for going into Iraq.

He wasn't/isn't alone in that thinking - there were/are many who felt/feel that way.

Richard :munchin

Dusty
06-28-2012, 07:32
He wasn't/isn't alone in that thinking - there were/are many who felt/feel that way.

Richard :munchin

Yeah. The chihuahas.

afchic
06-28-2012, 07:40
He wasn't/isn't alone in that thinking - there were/are many who felt/feel that way.

Richard :munchin

Yep. Which makes me wonder why this ass clown is focusing on Afghanistan?

Tillman is the epitome of what it means for the military to serve under a civilian boss. There are many of us that don't agree with what our civilian leadership asks us to do. But we have sworn to uphold the CONSTITUTION, and do not swear fealty to a person. So whether we agree or disagree, it is our professionalism, and our bond with our Constitution that has us supporting things we may not politically agree with, as long as it is not illegal.

Why the naysayers can't see that is beyond me. It is one of the best things about our military.

afchic
06-28-2012, 07:43
Yeah. The chihuahas.

That is a rediculous statement. You are always going to have people in uniform that don't agree with a POTUS decison to send us into harms way. The thing that makes us stand apart is that we go anyway, because we are professionals.

I am proud of the fact that we have brothers and sisters in arms, that regardless of their political beliefs, follow the orders of our Commander in Chief, as long as they are legal. It is something to be admired, not chastized.

Richard
06-28-2012, 08:11
You are always going to have people in uniform that don't agree with a POTUS decison to send us into harms way. The thing that makes us stand apart is that we go anyway, because we are professionals.

I am proud of the fact that we have brothers and sisters in arms, that regardless of their political beliefs, follow the orders of our Commander in Chief, as long as they are legal. It is something to be admired, not chastized.

Agree. Consider this one.

Richard :munchin

F-16 pilot Was Ready To Give Her Life On Sept. 11
WaPo, 8 Sep 2011

Late in the morning of the Tuesday that changed everything, Lt. Heather “Lucky” Penney was on a runway at Andrews Air Force Base and ready to fly. She had her hand on the throttle of an F-16 and she had her orders: Bring down United Airlines Flight 93. The day’s fourth hijacked airliner seemed to be hurtling toward Washington. Penney, one of the first two combat pilots in the air that morning, was told to stop it.

The one thing she didn’t have as she roared into the crystalline sky was live ammunition. Or missiles. Or anything at all to throw at a hostile aircraft.

Except her own plane. So that was the plan.

Because the surprise attacks were unfolding, in that innocent age, faster than they could arm war planes, Penney and her commanding officer went up to fly their jets straight into a Boeing 757.

“We wouldn’t be shooting it down. We’d be ramming the aircraft,” Penney recalls of her charge that day. “I would essentially be a kamikaze pilot.”

For years, Penney, one of the first generation of female combat pilots in the country, gave no interviews about her experiences on Sept. 11 (which included, eventually, escorting Air Force One back into Washington’s suddenly highly restricted airspace).

But 10 years later, she is reflecting on one of the lesser-told tales of that endlessly examined morning: how the first counterpunch the U.S. military prepared to throw at the attackers was effectively a suicide mission.

“We had to protect the airspace any way we could,” she said last week in her office at Lockheed Martin, where she is a director in the F-35 program.

(Cont'd) http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/f-16-pilot-was-ready-to-give-her-life-on-sept-11/2011/09/06/gIQAMpcODK_story.html

ZonieDiver
06-28-2012, 09:22
That is a rediculous statement. You are always going to have people in uniform that don't agree with a POTUS decison to send us into harms way. The thing that makes us stand apart is that we go anyway, because we are professionals.

I am proud of the fact that we have brothers and sisters in arms, that regardless of their political beliefs, follow the orders of our Commander in Chief, as long as they are legal. It is something to be admired, not chastized.


Agreed, as well!

(And I ain't no effin' chihuahua! I kill and eat those little bustards on sight. I've only been bitten by ONE dog in my life, and it was a chihuahua.)

Utah Bob
06-28-2012, 09:59
Agreed, as well!

(And I ain't no effin' chihuahua! I kill and eat those little bustards on sight. I've only been bitten by ONE dog in my life, and it was a chihuahua.)

Takes at least two to make a decent meal though.

And regarding Toure ......Kiss my ass.:mad:

Razor
06-29-2012, 12:44
Agree. Consider this one.



Nice story. However, having seen multiple command AARs, sat in on presentations by those involved and spoken to folks sitting in the Mountain that day and immediately following, these great Americans weren't the only players in the air able to intercept, and more than a few of the others had the ability to go guns hot. Another 10th anniversary feel-good "coulda-shoulda-woulda" story (note the date).