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BMT (RIP)
02-26-2012, 12:58
You'll have to dig thru most of these to find the good stuff!!

BMT
http://www.specialforcesbooks.com/CCN1970.htm

http://www.foia.cia.gov/vietnam.asp

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/guide-to-sources-on-vietnam-1969-1975

http://www.specialforcesbooks.com/SOG-Adds.htm

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB248/index.htm

http://www.archives.gov/publications/ref-info-papers/90/part-2.html#rg472

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1408/MR1408.ch2.pdf

http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/virtualarchive/items.php?item=3670932001

BMT (RIP)
02-26-2012, 13:07
http://www.cc.gatech.edu/fac/Thomas.Pilsch/history.html

http://www.clemson.edu/caah/history/facultypages/EdMoise/macv.html

http://www.clemson.edu/caah/history/facultypages/EdMoise/micro.html

BMT

JYD73
02-26-2012, 21:20
Thanks much! Will start digging

SOF-A FutureSol
03-01-2012, 13:10
THIS IS MOTIVATING. Imma orint this ou and sho w my entir recruitin statin!

MAB32
08-06-2012, 20:14
Thanks BMT! There is some good stuff here. I am reading two SOG Books now. Will look at these later next month.





I now have a question for all men from SOG...


I was re-reading Franklin Miller's book again last week and I came across something that I am just a little confused about.. Here is why. Miller first fought with the 101st Air Mobility as a LRRP. How did he make the transition from there to SOG and did he half to go through the training that SF does or was it one of those cases that I have heard whereby SOG would be short on men doing Recondo that they would take more men from other sources such as LRRPs?

:munchin

bushmaster11
09-02-2012, 17:52
5th SFG(A) would accept personnel having a minimum of one tour in-country for assignment to one of the Command and Control detachments. If recommended by the C & C commander, CDR 5th Group could award special identifier "S" , and if otherwise qualified they would be eligible for further Special Forces assignments. These individuals performed admirably and while no attendance at the "Q" course, continued the professional SF tradition.

J R sends
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MAB32
09-02-2012, 22:43
Thanks JR as that is what I am looking for. One other item. Were they allowed to wear anything about SF, such as Berets, Tabs, etc., etc?

bushmaster11
09-03-2012, 11:11
Those troops assigned to 5th SF Group, and airborne qualified, were authorized to wear beret, full flash, oval, and patch. If on DEROS, completion of the tour, the individual had not been awarded the "S" identifier, then he was no longer authorized wear of SF items. The Exception was the SF Patch on his right shoulder.

There was another category. Those who had completed the "Q" by Correspondance Course, but had not done Robin Sage. Normally the "S" was awarded only after the completion of Robin Sage. The Viet Nam tour itself was considered as equivalent and the "S" was awarded.

J R sends
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MAB32
09-03-2012, 12:19
Again, thanks JR.

VVVV
09-03-2012, 12:30
Those troops assigned to 5th SF Group, and airborne qualified, were authorized to wear beret, full flash, oval, and patch. If on DEROS, completion of the tour, the individual had not been awarded the "S" identifier, then he was no longer authorized wear of SF items. The Exception was the SF Patch on his right shoulder.

There was another category. Those who had completed the "Q" by Correspondance Course, but had not done Robin Sage. Normally the "S" was awarded only after the completion of Robin Sage. The Viet Nam tour itself was considered as equivalent and the "S" was awarded.

J R sends
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Robin Sage didn't exist during the Vietnam era.

BMT (RIP)
09-03-2012, 13:08
SWS and SFTG class scheduling combined sometime in '70.

BMT

glenne
09-04-2012, 04:17
You'll have to dig thru most of these to find the good stuff!!

BMT
http://www.specialforcesbooks.com/CCN1970.htm

http://www.foia.cia.gov/vietnam.asp

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/guide-to-sources-on-vietnam-1969-1975

http://www.specialforcesbooks.com/SOG-Adds.htm

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB248/index.htm

http://www.archives.gov/publications/ref-info-papers/90/part-2.html#rg472

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1408/MR1408.ch2.pdf

http://www.vietnam.ttu.edu/virtualarchive/items.php?item=3670932001

The Vietnam archive has tons of stuff, click on Digital Materials, then the virtual Vietnam Archive..normally I use the Advanced search area.

Pete
09-04-2012, 04:43
...........There was another category. Those who had completed the "Q" by Correspondance Course, but had not done Robin Sage. Normally the "S" was awarded only after the completion of Robin Sage. The Viet Nam tour itself was considered as equivalent and the "S" was awarded.

J R sends
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There was a commo guy (Gonzales (SP)) on Big Jake's SCUBA Team and somewhere around 1977 somebody looked at his records and came down and said he wasn't SF qualified and had to go through Robin Sage.

Everybody got a big laugh out of it but he went and came back. Said it was no big deal and even some of the cadre got a chuckle out of it.

"Skip" Reid was in our Ph III class in 1974. Had served with SF as an 05B in VN but was going through Ph III with us to get his Full Flash.

MAB32
09-04-2012, 21:59
Were any of those guys allowed to go to "One-Zero" School?

Ambush Master
09-04-2012, 22:57
Were any of those guys allowed to go to "One-Zero" School?

Don't know when it was implemented, but in the '70-'71 time frame, you were not allowed to go across the fence without One-Zero School!! And after going to both......I understood why!!

tom kelly
09-08-2012, 22:33
The July 2012 Summer issue of "THE DROP" the quarterly magazine of The Special Forces Association give an excellent history of Robin Sage. A preview of the article states; Over the last 50 years, the Special Forces and Psychological Operations courses have held exercises to replicate an unconventional warfare guerilla situtation. Currently, the SFQC capstone exercise is called Robin Sage; however, over the years, it has gone through several iterations. What has evolved is a unique exercise that incorporates the particpation of local civillan volunteer role players in a complex unconventional warfare scenario unlike any in the Army. The story was written by 1st Battalion, 1st Special Warfare Training Group (Airborne).
I went thru the field trainning exercise in Sept. Oct. & Nov.1963 it was conducted in Uhwarrie National Forest. The exercise ended at noon. 22 Nov. 1963.
Tom Kelly.

bushmaster11
09-10-2012, 12:16
WCH is correct, it was CHEROKEE TRAIL in the late '60s. I should have should have used phase III to make it clear. Most QP online have been SF since '75 and could identify with ROBIN SAGE. Before ROBIN SAGE it was GOBBLER'S WOOD in the mid '70s and followed up with the current ROBIN SAGE.

For my Vietnam bona fides contact Steve Sherman.

J R sends
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MFFI115
09-12-2012, 06:02
Were any of those guys allowed to go to "One-Zero" School?

Yes

MAB32
09-29-2012, 08:47
Here is what seems to be another good site also:

www.macvsog.cc/1971.htm#1971http://www.macvsog.cc/1971.htm#1971

Mark

MAB32
09-30-2012, 06:55
One other item. I have a complete "Gung Ho" issue on SF with Bob Howard leading men and still winning the forced march and running. I wish I could scan it for all to see.:mad: