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NousDefionsDoc
09-20-2004, 15:31
Who's it going to be?
If POTUS is re-elected, I'm going with Rudy.
Roguish Lawyer
09-20-2004, 15:45
Who's it going to be?
If POTUS is re-elected, I'm going with Rudy.
If the nomination were made BEFORE the election, I'd agree.
I suspect he'll nominate Porter Goss to move up, assuming he gets confirmed at CIA first.
NousDefionsDoc
09-20-2004, 15:51
Never happen. Wanna bet? :munchin
Roguish Lawyer
09-20-2004, 15:57
Never happen. Wanna bet? :munchin
Nah, I don't have a strong view on it. But what are you talking about, the Czar nominee or Goss getting confirmed at CIA? I'd be surprised if Goss doesn't get that.
What do you all consider essential qualifications for the position?
NousDefionsDoc
09-20-2004, 16:02
Nah, I don't have a strong view on it. But what are you talking about, the Czar nominee or Goss getting confirmed at CIA? I'd be surprised if Goss doesn't get that.
Goss, will get confirmed at the Agency, but he'll never go any higher because they are already talking about his politics. The czar is supposed to have budget authority, so it will be a fight like naming a new SCOTUS Justice. They wouldn't dare vote against Saint Rudy, they'd lose NY.
NousDefionsDoc
09-20-2004, 16:06
What do you all consider essential qualifications for the position?
Confirmable in Congress.
A deft politician - has to bring together very unlike-minded groups.
Hard - not afraid to ruffle some feathers.
Trustworthy - He should have unprecedented power if they follow the plan.
Experience - running a large organization with turf wars. Doling out funds according to needs etc.
Roguish Lawyer
09-20-2004, 16:06
What do you all consider essential qualifications for the position?
1. Meaningful prior experience in this or a closely related field. Ideally, I'd want someone like Cofer Black.
2. Politico-bureaucratic skill. Someone who can win the battles within the beltway.
3. Correct political views regarding intelligence matters. Commitment to HUMINT, for example.
Roguish Lawyer
09-20-2004, 16:08
Confirmable in Congress.
A deft politician - has to bring together very unlike-minded groups.
Hard - not afraid to ruffle some feathers.
Trustworthy - He should have unprecedented power if they follow the plan.
Experience - running a large organization with turf wars. Doling out funds according to needs etc.
I like these too.
But I wouldn't let the Dems stop me from nominating the right guy for the job.
NousDefionsDoc
09-20-2004, 16:13
Cofer Black would piss everybody off the first day. He'd tell them all exactly what he thinks of them.
Sacamuelas
09-20-2004, 16:33
Cofer Black would piss everybody off the first day. He'd tell them all exactly what he thinks of them.
How come I wondered if this was the real name of The Reaper or the Team Sergeant when I read that??? ;) :p LOL
Hijack over... nothing to see here.... Back to thread... :lifter
Roguish Lawyer
09-20-2004, 16:56
Cofer Black would piss everybody off the first day. He'd tell them all exactly what he thinks of them.
My kind of guy! LOL
I'm just talking about experience, and he is a good example, I think.
The Reaper
09-20-2004, 18:00
Cofer Black would piss everybody off the first day. He'd tell them all exactly what he thinks of them.
If he had access to the files, as Hoover was reputed to, he could do that and confirmation would still be a breeze.
Of course, when your elected Representatives are Kennedy, Kerry, Frank, and Dukakis, not sure what you could reveal about them that would hurt them more than their own actions have.
TR
rubberneck
09-21-2004, 07:32
Confirmable in Congress.
A deft politician - has to bring together very unlike-minded groups.
Hard - not afraid to ruffle some feathers.
Trustworthy - He should have unprecedented power if they follow the plan.
Experience - running a large organization with turf wars. Doling out funds according to needs etc.
Another name lurking behind the glamor names is Gov. Frank Keating. Before becoming governor of Oklahoma Keating was a career FBI agent so one could say that he is a deft politician, trustworthy, hard and has experience running a large organization. Additionally he is very close to the President and has his complete trust. I don't know if he is "sexy" enough of a pick but he does have the background to be successful.
NousDefionsDoc
09-21-2004, 10:53
Another name lurking behind the glamor names is Gov. Frank Keating. Before becoming governor of Oklahoma Keating was a career FBI agent so one could say that he is a deft politician, trustworthy, hard and has experience running a large organization. Additionally he is very close to the President and has his complete trust. I don't know if he is "sexy" enough of a pick but he does have the background to be successful.
Negative. "Career FBI", the military and Agency will never stand for it and neither will I. Treating terrorism as a legal issue is partly what got us where we are today, remember Slick didn't take UBL because they couldn't build a case? Plus, a lot of people hate the AG and the conspiracy theorists would have a field day with "This is Ashcroft's subtle way of further circumventing the Constitution, blah, blah.". Next.
NousDefionsDoc
09-21-2004, 11:43
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040921/pl_afp/us_cia_goss_040921162657
US Senate intelligence committee approves Porter Goss as CIA chief
1 hour, 18 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US Senate intelligence committee confirmed the nomination of Republican Porter Goss to serve as CIA (news - web sites) director, despite Democratic doubts about his ability to be nonpartisan.
shootandloot
09-21-2004, 14:21
Who's it going to be?
If POTUS is re-elected, I'm going with Rudy.
I like the idea of Rudy...he's definetly liked by many people. The only downside to him could be his career as a U.S. Attorney. As you said, treating terrorism as a legal issue does not work and that was one of the down falls of Clinton. Other than that, I like him.
NousDefionsDoc
09-21-2004, 14:25
I think Rudy probably got past that idea on 9/11.
ghuinness
09-22-2004, 19:01
Who's it going to be?
If POTUS is re-elected, I'm going with Rudy.
Amazing. You are finally agreeing with me ! (http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2877) :lifter
ghuinness
10-30-2004, 16:21
New rumour:
Battle for Intel Job: Although he was critical of the 9-11 Commission's recommendation of an intelligence czar, Pentagon watchers say Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is now pushing Under Secretary of Defense Steve Cambone for the job Congress is expected to create when it finally passes legislation enacting the commission's recommendations. Some CIA watchers say Cambone does not have good rapport with the intelligence community and point to White House Homeland Security Director Fran Townsend as a better candidate for the job.
NousDefionsDoc
10-30-2004, 16:33
However, on May 27, Frances Fragos Townsend was named deputy national security adviser for Combating Terrorism. The announcement obscured the fact that she had been a Democratic political appointment who was partially blamed by erstwhile Justice colleagues for failure to investigate alleged Sept. 11 terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui. A White House official told me Townsend considers herself a career government employee and a "lifelong Republican," with no responsibility for the Moussaoui fiasco...
...Townsend began her government career in 1985 as a local prosecutor in Brooklyn, working under District Attorney Elizabeth Holtzman, a prominent liberal Democratic activist. Three years later, Townsend moved to the U.S. attorney's office in Manhattan -- notoriously liberal-laden amid a Republican administration. Townsend's boss and patron there was Jo Ann Harris, whose orientation was liberal Democratic.
When Attorney General Reno in 1993 summoned Harris to Washington as assistant attorney general running the Criminal Division, Harris immediately brought Townsend along as her aide. Townsend was promoted to oversee international law enforcement and then became counsel to the attorney general for terrorism and head of the Office of Intelligence Policy and Review (OIPR) -- a political Reno appointment for a supposed career slot.
The line between career and political appointments at Justice has been blurred, but Townsend was viewed by old timers at Justice as part of the Reno inner circle. Her critics partially blame Townsend for changes in operation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) that they claim inhibited sharing of information between intelligence and prosecution.
That shortcoming was corrected by Attorney General John Ashcroft, but not before the failure to investigate Moussaoui prior to Sept. 11. The White House official told me that Townsend had tried to correct FISA shortcomings, but that is not the version by former Justice colleagues. Ashcroft sent Townsend to the Coast Guard as assistant commandant for Intelligence, where she remained until her appointment as the president's adviser on counterterrorism.
by Robert Novak
Yeah, right.
NousDefionsDoc
03-05-2005, 23:21
Well, good thing the new plan resolved all the issues with intelligence.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/11/politics/11intel.html?th
I would disband the freakin' FBI if I was king.
Roguish Lawyer
03-06-2005, 13:16
I think they should merge the domestic and foreign intelligence functions. Makes no sense to separate them. May need to change some other laws to facilitate it, but I'd just take the counter-espionage mission away from FBI and let them focus on domestic crime.
just FYI - if anyone is still reading this thread:
http://www.cia.gov/cia/public_affairs/speeches/2005/Goss_address_09232005.html
NousDefionsDoc
09-26-2005, 19:03
Well, he certainly talks the talk...