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LOL These guys are starting early! :D
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-31/boehner-asks-obama-to-delay-jobs-speech.html
House Speaker John Boehner rebuffed President Barack Obama’s request to address a joint session of Congress on the same night as a Republican presidential debate in California.
Boehner, an Ohio Republican, cited a lack of time to prepare for the speech that Obama wants to deliver on Sept. 7 and instead asked for the address to be given a day later, according to a letter addressed to the president that was released by the speaker’s office.
Obama earlier in the day said he wants to deliver the address to announce his proposals to create jobs and jump-start the economy. A White House official speaking on condition of anonymity said the administration consulted with Boehner’s office before releasing the request and no objections were raised. Boehner spokesman Brendan Buck said the speaker’s office didn’t agree to the timing of the speech and that the White House "ignored" protocol for working out an agreeable time before making an announcement.
The unprecedented public dispute over the timing of the presidential address sets the stage for a battle to lead the political debate on the economy going into next year’s election. Obama is proposing measures he says would boost growth and bring down the 9.1 percent unemployment rate. He’s confronted by Republicans who won control of the House from Democrats in 2010 on a campaign that stressed criticism of Obama’s economic stewardship and the $830 billion stimulus he pushed through Congress in 2009.
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Snaquebite
08-31-2011, 17:17
Of course the Obama camp denies this was scheduled purposely to detract from the debate...I think they should just delay the debate until 9pm and then weigh in on whatever plan he reveals....
Of course the Obama camp denies this was scheduled purposely to detract from the debate...I think they should just delay the debate until 9pm and then weigh in on whatever plan he reveals....
lol I like the way you think.
Ret10Echo
08-31-2011, 17:45
Of course the Obama camp denies this was scheduled purposely to detract from the debate...I think they should just delay the debate until 9pm and then weigh in on whatever plan he reveals....
Whoa...whoa...whoa... You mean on-the-fly...respond...like without analysis by grad students, scripting, teleprompters or wardrobe change?
Aaaahh....I dunno.... It sounds pretty dicey. Somebody draw up a risk-matrix on this...
Snaquebite
08-31-2011, 18:04
Whoa...whoa...whoa... You mean on-the-fly...respond...like without analysis by grad students, scripting, teleprompters or wardrobe change?
Aaaahh....I dunno.... It sounds pretty dicey. Somebody draw up a risk-matrix on this...
Exactly. No teleprompters in the debate anyway. Have a select group of folks compile a list of questions from the President's speech/plan and present them to the debaters.
longrange1947
08-31-2011, 18:43
And not allow a piss ant liberal as the moderator. :munchin
CloseDanger
08-31-2011, 18:56
Of course the Obama camp denies this was scheduled purposely to detract from the debate...I think they should just delay the debate until 9pm and then weigh in on whatever plan he reveals....
Why not just hold the debate an hour earlier (at 7) so families that work get to see it and go to be early? Everyone already knows his plan.
Snaquebite
08-31-2011, 19:01
Why not just hold the debate an hour earlier (at 7) so families that work get to see it and go to be early? Everyone already knows his plan.
He has no plan...He's going to spout the same garble he's been doing.
CloseDanger
08-31-2011, 19:22
He has no plan...He's going to spout the same garble he's been doing.
The Corner reported on what the suspected plan (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/275912/we-expect-these-effects-be-negligible-andrew-stiles#more) will entail earlier today.
Spend more money we don't have, yawn...
The only thing I can see making some sense, which he has been pushing for some time, albeit without money we have to back it, is infrastructure upgrades, which are sorely needed, considering most of America's infrastructure is on average 50+ years old, and busting at the seams. Granted making certain segments work for their entitlements, and fixing our aging/ailing infrastructure at the same time would be a win-win, but that would be logical and would require said segment to actually do some work and earn something. :eek:
"Earn", that dirty four letter word...
Ret10Echo
08-31-2011, 19:52
:rolleyes:
How about if they actually do both at the same time, but superimpose the debaters' silhouettes on the Jobs speech and have the hopefuls provide commentary Ala Mystery Science Theater 3000 (http://www.mst3k.com/)?
Obama bows to Boehner; jobs speech will be Sept. 8
http://www.wral.com/business/story/10072214/
"WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has acceded to House Speaker John Boehner's wishes to deliver an address on jobs and the economy to a joint session of Congress on Sept. 8. The president had requested Sept. 7 for the long-anticipated speech................."
Another dustup over something that didn't need to happen.
Obama bows to Boehner; jobs speech will be Sept. 8
http://www.wral.com/business/story/10072214/
"WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama has acceded to House Speaker John Boehner's wishes to deliver an address on jobs and the economy to a joint session of Congress on Sept. 8. The president had requested Sept. 7 for the long-anticipated speech................."
Another dustup over something that didn't need to happen.
Another manufactured dustup.
Don't sell this guy short. He has a plan and can now deliver what will surely become his famous September 7th speech to Congress.
"Yesterday, September 7th, 2011, a date which will live in infamy..."
Polecatus Americanus Washingtonium.
Richard :munchin
Manufactured or not, its a win-win for him. Not only does he look like the peace maker, he gets to bash whatever is debated while delivering his messianic jobs plan. :munchin
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/31/wolffe_opposition_to_obama_speech_possibly_based_o n_skin_color.html
Paragrouper
09-01-2011, 14:46
Seems Bruce Almighty missed again.
Click me (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821deea9/article/white-house-working-to-avoid-clash-with-nfls-opening-game?module=HP11_headline_stack)
Seems Bruce Almighty missed again.
Click me (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821deea9/article/white-house-working-to-avoid-clash-with-nfls-opening-game?module=HP11_headline_stack)
http://www.nationaljournal.com//congress/obama-accepts-boehner-s-offer-to-address-congress-at-7-p-m-next-thursday-20110901
Mwaha!
Manufactured or not, its a win-win for him. Not only does he look like the peace maker, he gets to bash whatever is debated while delivering his messianic jobs plan. :munchin
A win-win? You lost me, there. Be patient...I'm trying to catch up...:rolleyes:
A win-win? You lost me, there. Be patient...I'm trying to catch up...:rolleyes:
Eh, let me re-phrase that: lose-lose, for us that is. How's that? :D
Eh, let me re-phrase that: lose-lose, for us that is. How's that? :D
IMHO, I think it was a street-level ploy that backfired. I don't see how it can bite anybody's ass but his.
If he's holding an ace, we'll know at app. 1930 hours that night; if not, he just let even more wind out of his campaign sails.
Once the mainstream press decides his campaign's a lost cause, they'll abandon ship, pile-on the GOP candidates, and find another Dem to run. This could be the tipping point.
Boehner made a good call, IMO.
Pretty good analysis on NPR this morning which makes one wonder if there's more to this ploy than it appears to be on the surface.
Richard :munchin
Democrats Urge Obama To 'Go Big' With Jobs Package
NPR, 2 Sep 2011
When a president asks for a prime-time slot to address a joint session of Congress, he is signaling to the country that he has something very important to say. Next Thursday President Obama will once again try to make a hard political pivot to the issue of jobs.
Obama will confront two big problems when he stands in the well of the House next week. The first is political: the loss of voters' confidence in his handling of the economy. The second is the economy itself. A new estimate released by the White House on Thursday shows the economy growing at an anemic 1.7 percent and unemployment staying at 9 percent in 2012.
"He has to push forward a plausible, credible jobs package that will target that rate and start to finally bring it down," says Jared Bernstein, the former top economist for Vice President Joe Biden.
Obama previewed the speech Monday, saying he would be "laying out a series of steps that Congress can take immediately to put more money in the pockets of working families and middle-class families, to make it easier for small businesses to hire people, to put construction crews to work rebuilding our nation's roads and railways and airports, and all the other measures that can help to grow this economy."
Possible 'Opening Gun' In 2012 Race
The president's jobs package will almost certainly include measures for payroll tax relief, business tax credits for hiring and infrastructure projects. Bill Galston, a former aide to former President Clinton, says he thinks the president needs to go even bigger and lay out a growth agenda that includes a solution to the mortgage debt crisis and a long-term vision for fundamental tax reform.
"By going big, he will do what he really hasn't done so far in 2011, and that is plant a flag and invite the people to rally around it," he says. "If you look at the speech that way, it really is the opening gun in the 2012 presidential campaign."
The president would, in effect, be telling Americans what he would do if he had a second term.
What his Democratic supporters desperately hope he does not do is lay out an agenda designed to win Republican support. AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka is one of Obama's liberal supporters who thinks the president has been too fixated on bipartisanship and finding the magic set of policies that will appeal to Republicans in Congress.
"I said to him, 'Do not look at what is possible. Look at what is necessary, and just because you think it's the only thing that's politically possible, that doesn't mean you should propose that,'" Trumka says. "If you only propose what you think they will accept, they control the agenda."
At this point, Republicans don't even seem open to proposals they once supported, like an extension of the payroll tax cut. Galston says it's time for the president to give up on his quest for economic solutions that are agreeable to both parties.
"Given where the energy is within today's Republican Party, the prospects of an agreement that is significant are almost zero," Galston says, "which means that the president not only has no choice but to state his own position clearly and in unvarnished terms, but also that he can only gain from that."
Obama can only "gain," Galston says, because he's in such a deep hole. The number of people who view him as a strong leader has plummeted over the last two months.
What He's Fighting For
Galston and other Democrats think the only way out of that hole is to propose a bold plan and fight for it — even if it has no chance of passing Congress.
"If he has to choose between rebuilding his reputation as a strong leader and ticking off a menu of relatively modest legislative successes, I think that he would be well advised to pursue the former even at the expense of the latter," Galston says, "because right now, even his friends are wondering what he stands for and what he's prepared to fight for, and if even your friends aren't sure, then you can bet that the people who are in the middle — the Independents and moderates who will decide the election — aren't sure either."
Ensuring the American people know what he's fighting for is really the biggest task for the president next week and in the weeks after the speech, Bernstein says, as the president campaigns for his plan against Republican opposition.
"He will regain his footing precisely by doing just that, and I think that's where he's pivoting. This president can be extremely effective when he fights for what it is that people care most about in their economic lives: their living standards, their paychecks, the quality of their schools," Bernstein says. "He lost his footing, he got distracted. He got sucked into a very destructive, self-inflicted, wounding debt-ceiling debate, and that's behind him now."
The debt ceiling debate — where the president emerged looking weak and Washington utterly dysfunctional — is over, but the political damage it did hasn't gone away. Thursday's speech maybe one of Obama's last big opportunities to reverse it.
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/02/140132005/democrats-urge-obama-to-go-big-with-jobs-package
IMHO, I think it was a street-level ploy that backfired. I don't see how it can bite anybody's ass but his.
If he's holding an ace, we'll know at app. 1930 hours that night; if not, he just let even more wind out of his campaign sails.
Once the mainstream press decides his campaign's a lost cause, they'll abandon ship, pile-on the GOP candidates, and find another Dem to run. This could be the tipping point.
Boehner made a good call, IMO.
Agreed, however, IMHO, the sheeple usually go for the last word, as whatever he attacks from the debate will have no *immediate* response; never underestimate the (bought) "voters" who can't(or won't) differentiate diarrhea whether it be from north or south. Then again, it looks like the Packers and the Saints will have the real last word... :D :munchin
ZonieDiver
09-02-2011, 09:33
:rolleyes:
How about if they actually do both at the same time, but superimpose the debaters' silhouettes on the Jobs speech and have the hopefuls provide commentary Ala Mystery Science Theater 3000 (http://www.mst3k.com/)?
I'd pay good money to see that!
GratefulCitizen
09-05-2011, 12:56
The president can yak all he wants, the game is over.
The jobs aren't coming back in any meaningful way until he's out of office.
Companies have plenty of hoarded cash, and the federal reserve has told them that cheap money will be available until after the next election.
They can afford to sit and wait for voters to throw out the bums.