View Full Version : Knife question to QP's....and all
mdpatterson
07-07-2011, 05:44
Have any QP's used/heard of this blade (Or talked to the maker?) It's from a local maker who seems like a decent guy. Prices are a crazy high, but some fairly unique designs (This model 'Jungle Fighter' is a bit too close to my 'Pacific'....and way out of my price range).
http://www.medfordknife.com/specials/jungle-fighter-s35vn#
I did ask Mr. Harsey's opinion first, but realized I was asking him to critique a fellow knife maker new to the industry (I apologize for that).
I'm only asking now as I know many QP's live in the PHX area, and might have some insight. It's advertised as (Copied from website):
"The Jungle Fighter was designed and adapted SF troops in the American military as a purpose built man fighting weapon."
Any input appreciated.
Mike
"The “hook-back” spine is for catching and drawing in tissue and material during sentry elimination techniques..."
WTF is that?:confused:
"The Jungle Fighter was designed and adapted SF troops in the American military as a purpose built man fighting weapon."
LMAO.
I always carried several knives - either a K-Bar or USN dive knife on my harness and a demo knife in my pocket - they were tools to be used for a slew of reasons...the least of which was to be used as a "man fighting weapon" let alone a "purpose built man fighting weapon." :rolleyes:
And $750 for a utility knife - no thanks.
Richard :munchin
Barbarian
07-07-2011, 06:26
This blade is a pure fighting weapon and not intended for general heavy field-craft use
Dumb idea.
Should go over well with your Sentry-Removal Specialists and whatnot.
longrange1947
07-07-2011, 07:13
DO NOT stab a man with a knife that has a saw tooth on it. You may not get your knife back. :D
I am with Richard, I carried a KBar for years with a Swiss army knife for small utility work and he KBar was my hatchet, digging tool, and machete. Never even thought about "sneaking up and stabbing, hacking, or slicing a sentry", that is what supressed pistols were created to accomplish with less mess. :munchin
If I were to use a blade for that purpose I would use the machete technique and hack his head off. I beleive that there is a group of famed knife fighters that believe in teh same technique.
I would never pay that much money for a knife as I am not a knife collector. :D
For $750, you could hire a squad of Gurkhas for 6 weeks.
For $750, you could hire a squad of Gurkhas for 6 weeks.
Or one QP for 10 minutes..
Less is more
:D
LibraryLady
07-07-2011, 11:34
We are the first manufacturer to use this fantastic steel which you will see others follow in 2011.
Oh, really? :munchin
LL
Papa Zero Three
07-07-2011, 12:12
Have any QP's used/heard of this blade (Or talked to the maker?) It's from a local maker who seems like a decent guy. Prices are a crazy high, but some fairly unique designs (This model 'Jungle Fighter' is a bit too close to my 'Pacific'....and way out of my price range).
http://www.medfordknife.com/specials/jungle-fighter-s35vn#
I did ask Mr. Harsey's opinion first, but realized I was asking him to critique a fellow knife maker new to the industry (I apologize for that).
I'm only asking now as I know many QP's live in the PHX area, and might have some insight. It's advertised as (Copied from website):
"The Jungle Fighter was designed and adapted SF troops in the American military as a purpose built man fighting weapon."
Any input appreciated.
Mike
I watched the embedded video and even read though the claims about the author being a CQB martial artist hand to hand yada yada guru. I think he should stick to just making his knives, as I am sure someone might like his designs, and refrain from talking/making videos. Personally, after hearing him in that video and his explanation, I wouldn't buy a knife from him.
mdpatterson
07-07-2011, 17:38
Thanks for the replies. He is a nice enough guy, but his claims (And prices) seemed a bit exaggerated.
CRUSADERSTEEL
07-07-2011, 21:20
Here's my problem with this knife.. Is it just me or is the profile almost exactly like the Yarborough?!! Even the how the tang sticks out from under the scales!! And "its being reviewed by Special Operations"? (or whateve the website said..)!! WTF does that mean... ? I think it's a double edged knock off of the Yarborough with a cheap spiny toothed hair do...
I would like to hear what qualifies as being reviewed by SOF too... his next door neighbor is probably a support dude and occasionally he lets him hold one..?!?!
I am kinda pissed.
Just my thoughts..
And "its being reviewed by Special Operations"? (or whateve the website said..)!! WTF does that mean... ?
That means it's being talked about on professionalsoldiers.com :cool:
Other than Wolfgang does anyone know anyone or know anyone who knew anyone who actually snuck up on someone from behind and took them out with a knife. 20 years in the military and I never met such a person.
Nope! You do what you have to do but so many knives are promoted as being designed for or being good for sentry elimination that you'd think it's common place and done on a frequent basis. You could just give me an old Sykes Fairbairn. It has a nice sharp blade and tip and goes in quick and easy. It would cut like butter for this purpose compared to the knife above.
19466
PS I did know a couple of people who used an E-tool to get the job done though.
I've always felt that if you have to pull out a knife to fight you've done SOMETHING wrong.
CRUSADERSTEEL
07-07-2011, 23:33
During my last deployment I bought one of DJ Urbanovsky's titanium sporks they have a nasty pointed end and I actually kept it on my kit everywhere I went and was determined to be the first person to kill a man with a SPORK!! DIdnt get that chance unfortunately:mad: I am quite sure though that if you are a terrorist and are killed with a spork you are DQ'd from getting any virgins and you are just called a pussy and reincarnated as pig that is butchered and sent to Taco Bell and then eaten with a spork and the cycle continues.... Possibly the same thing will happen if you spend 750 on that Yarborough knock off.;)
During my last deployment I bought one of DJ Urbanovsky's titanium sporks ...............
Titanium spork? I got one of those to "be cool & light". Took it to the woods one time - now it sits at home all lonely.
Out in the woods there is nothing really I need a fork for - and anything I need a spoon for the juice dribbles out.
So I'm back to an MRE spoon stuck in my shirt pocket.
Other than Wolfgang does anyone know anyone or know anyone who knew anyone who actually snuck up on someone from behind and took them out with a knife.
Not since they started issuing take-down bows, push daggers and headscarves, no.
Other than Wolfgang does anyone know anyone or know anyone who knew anyone who actually snuck up on someone from behind and took them out with a knife. 20 years in the military and I never met such a person.
North Tay Ninh Prov, RVN, 1970.. while sitting down for a brake, a large constructor type Mr No-Shoulders attempted to penetrate our defense, I executed a compact left roll PLF, whipped out me trusty Peinilla de la Pendejo (machete), severing the offending head,, resulting was fresh meat for supper..
Does that count??? :cool:
North Tay Ninh Prov, RVN, 1970.. while sitting down for a brake, a large constructor type Mr No-Shoulders attempted to penetrate our defense, I executed a compact left roll PLF, whipped out me trusty Peinilla de la Pendejo (machete), severing the offending head,, resulting was fresh meat for supper..
Does that count??? :cool:
lol "Peinilla de la Pendejo"!:D
longrange1947
07-08-2011, 20:57
North Tay Ninh Prov, RVN, 1970.. while sitting down for a brake, a large constructor type Mr No-Shoulders attempted to penetrate our defense, I executed a compact left roll PLF, whipped out me trusty Peinilla de la Pendejo (machete), severing the offending head,, resulting was fresh meat for supper..
Does that count??? :cool:
Which goes with my statement that you don't play pokey pokey stabby stabby with guys that have guns, or fangs.
Imagine you are sitting out in the jungle at night, a little "scared", and out of the corner of your eye you sinse movement. Can cause an attitude that someone may not be prepared for.
Shoot them with suppressed pistol, or whack their head off. :munchin :D
Papa Zero Three
07-08-2011, 21:12
I kilt a man once while in the ORP with my P-38. Sum-na-bitch tried to steal my gorilla cookies and a John Wayne bar I saved from my C-rats. I don't care who you are in the world, out here I'll bleed you real slow and quite like you try and steal my poggie bait.
:D:D:D:D:
Rob_0811
07-09-2011, 10:28
During my last deployment I bought one of DJ Urbanovsky's titanium sporks they have a nasty pointed end and I actually kept it on my kit everywhere I went and was determined to be the first person to kill a man with a SPORK!! DIdnt get that chance unfortunately:mad: I am quite sure though that if you are a terrorist and are killed with a spork you are DQ'd from getting any virgins and you are just called a pussy and reincarnated as pig that is butchered and sent to Taco Bell and then eaten with a spork and the cycle continues.... Possibly the same thing will happen if you spend 750 on that Yarborough knock off.;)
a kill with a spork would mean serious cool points.
Team Sergeant
07-09-2011, 11:36
Shoot them with suppressed pistol, or whack their head off. :munchin :D
My thoughts exactly..... I'll take the suppressed pistol everytime.....
Angry Mike
07-09-2011, 19:37
I am still trying to visualize you sporking somebody.
can't quite wrap my mind about how that one would or wouldn't turn out.
maybe a cage match over canned peaches?
ZonieDiver
07-09-2011, 20:12
Or pound cake! Mmmmmm, pound cake AND peaches...
longrange1947
07-09-2011, 20:32
................... Mmmmmm, pound cake AND peaches...
Trading material!!!! :D
Cigarettes were trading material - take my 3 cigs ration and I'll gladly take your John Wayne cookies, Kern's peanut butter and crackers, pound cake, peaches, pears, apple sauce, etc.
Richard :munchin
ZonieDiver
07-10-2011, 04:15
Cigarettes were trading material - take my 3 cigs ration and I'll gladly take your John Wayne cookies, Kern's peanut butter and crackers, pound cake, peaches, pears, apple sauce, etc.
Richard :munchin
So true! After the 4th or 5th day in the field, the fact that I didn't smoke - coupled with the fact that I actually liked "Ham and Claymores" - guaranteed that I'd eat like a king.
mdpatterson
07-10-2011, 04:28
Should this be moved to the Comedy Zone? I meant to start a thread based on my skepticism, but wanted real world experience (QP's opinions for example) in case I was off base.
If I never get in a "Knife Fight", I will consider myself a winner ;).
BTW, TS........school is over! When do you want to tear up the desert?, I'll bring plenty of silenced pistols and maybe one knife. You can teach me senrty removal techniques.....as long as it doesn't violate OPSEC :eek:
Thanks again for the replies.
Mike
Team Sergeant
07-10-2011, 11:24
Should this be moved to the Comedy Zone? I meant to start a thread based on my skepticism, but wanted real world experience (QP's opinions for example) in case I was off base.
If I never get in a "Knife Fight", I will consider myself a winner ;).
BTW, TS........school is over! When do you want to tear up the desert?, I'll bring plenty of silenced pistols and maybe one knife. You can teach me senrty removal techniques.....as long as it doesn't violate OPSEC :eek:
Thanks again for the replies.
Mike
School is over and I'm ready to do some shooting! I'd rather we wait until the local temps drop below 125 degrees......;)
Or not, let me know when.
Basenshukai
07-10-2011, 16:27
Other than Wolfgang does anyone know anyone or know anyone who knew anyone who actually snuck up on someone from behind and took them out with a knife. 20 years in the military and I never met such a person.
I met such a person recently. He teaches exclusively with one of the "contractor" business out there that is replete with our guys. He was not US military during his time in service, however. That's all I'll say on that.
However, from having trained with him recently (and that training included the use of very realistic "training aids"), I would not use a knife like that for "taking out a sentry", if such a thing were to occur. First of all, it is most likely that if one were to ever use it for combat, it would be because something else failed, so this becomes the next option; not because one is going to sneak up on someone. That being said, those little spines will get caught on something when you least want it to. We tried this during our training with a similar knife, and, sure enough, it got stuck inside the "training aid". As a survival/field knife, maybe the spines would be of use. But, that's another debate. Anyway, that's my opinion.
And, yes, it looks like a Yarborough ripoff.
longrange1947
07-10-2011, 17:48
Basen, could have told you that would happen, actually did earlier, already had the experience. :D
CRUSADERSTEEL
07-10-2011, 18:18
Cigarettes were trading material - take my 3 cigs ration and I'll gladly take your John Wayne cookies, Kern's peanut butter and crackers, pound cake, peaches, pears, apple sauce, etc.
Richard :munchin
Youre thinking of your prison time Richard.. ;)
CRUSADERSTEEL
07-10-2011, 18:34
Should this be moved to the Comedy Zone? I meant to start a thread based on my skepticism, but wanted real world experience (QP's opinions for example) in case I was off base.
If I never get in a "Knife Fight", I will consider myself a winner ;).
BTW, TS........school is over! When do you want to tear up the desert?, I'll bring plenty of silenced pistols and maybe one knife. You can teach me senrty removal techniques.....as long as it doesn't violate OPSEC :eek:
Thanks again for the replies.
Mike
Mike.. Apparently you didn’t realize Quiet Professional refers to the fact that we are only professional when we are quiet... I mean you bring us a 750.00 knife (*which in itself would incite violence), it's happens to look like it is a Yarborough knock-off *, the guys says it's being "reviewed by Special Forces without substantiating *, and then you ask us our .02 and we are all guys that like to give you a whole dollar and tell you to keep the change!! So I am not exactly sure what you expected.. I think overall, given the subject matter everyone behaved.. ;)
Besides, nobody who got a "Go" at the Apache Underwater Knifefighting Course is gonna violate OPSEC re: the Sentry Removal Techniques Class on an open forum.
mdpatterson
07-11-2011, 04:38
Mike.. Apparently you didn’t realize Quiet Professional refers to the fact that we are only professional when we are quiet... I mean you bring us a 750.00 knife (*which in itself would incite violence), it's happens to look like it is a Yarborough knock-off *, the guys says it's being "reviewed by Special Forces without substantiating *, and then you ask us our .02 and we are all guys that like to give you a whole dollar and tell you to keep the change!! So I am not exactly sure what you expected.. I think overall, given the subject matter everyone behaved.. ;)
The responses were pretty much exactly what I expected. I knew my opinion, but thought I would share with the group to get expert opinions (And a few laughs). Sorry, but I just couldn't resist :D. Everyone has behaved perfect in my opinion. I have enjoyed all the responses and hope they continue ;). One thing though.... you can clearly see a picture of "The Duke" donning the beret framed in his personal Dojo (Right above his washer and dryer in his videos) so he must be legit right :rolleyes:
***Side note, this maker also offers personal CQB lessons to anyone who buys a knife (Just in case anyone needed to brush up on sentry removal techniques with a true "Purpose built man fighting weapon" lol)***
TS, I can wait for the temperatures to go down a bit, or we could try an indoor range (Not affiliated with a certain little man at SGC).
Mike
Team Sergeant
07-11-2011, 09:18
Besides, nobody who got a "Go" at the Apache Underwater Knifefighting Course is gonna violate OPSEC re: the Sentry Removal Techniques Class on an open forum.
No comment......:D
tom kelly
07-11-2011, 13:17
My thoughts exactly..... I'll take the suppressed pistol everytime.....
"Those who live by the sword-GET SHOT- "By those who don't."
Regard's, Tom Kelly
Team Sergeant
07-12-2011, 09:38
Have any QP's used/heard of this blade (Or talked to the maker?) It's from a local maker who seems like a decent guy. Prices are a crazy high, but some fairly unique designs (This model 'Jungle Fighter' is a bit too close to my 'Pacific'....and way out of my price range).
http://www.medfordknife.com/specials/jungle-fighter-s35vn#
I did ask Mr. Harsey's opinion first, but realized I was asking him to critique a fellow knife maker new to the industry (I apologize for that).
I'm only asking now as I know many QP's live in the PHX area, and might have some insight. It's advertised as (Copied from website):
"The Jungle Fighter was designed and adapted SF troops in the American military as a purpose built man fighting weapon."
Any input appreciated.
Mike
Back to the question at hand,
"The Jungle Fighter was designed and adapted SF troops in the American military as a purpose built man fighting weapon."
The above sentence makes no sense to me. Funny how the knife looks very familiar........ knowing quite a few "knife makers" I've never heard of this guy.
Badger52
07-12-2011, 11:02
I am quite sure though that if you are a terrorist and are killed with a spork you are DQ'd from getting any virgins and you are just called a pussy and reincarnated as pig that is butchered and sent to Taco Bell and then eaten with a spork and the cycle continues.... Considering all the detritus from HQ this AM, thank you for re-raising the bar in terms of what launches coffee toward a monitor. Typical superb job, sir.
x SF med
07-13-2011, 19:32
Considering all the detritus from HQ this AM, thank you for re-raising the bar in terms of what launches coffee toward a monitor. Typical superb job, sir.
You did not just call Crusadersteel "sir", oh, man.... :eek: want to talk about high velocity detrius, that could cause it... ROFLMAO
I want my $750 back! :rolleyes:
Richard
Utah Bob
07-14-2011, 07:12
Nope! You do what you have to do but so many knives are promoted as being designed for or being good for sentry elimination that you'd think it's common place and done on a frequent basis. You could just give me an old Sykes Fairbairn. It has a nice sharp blade and tip and goes in quick and easy. It would cut like butter for this purpose compared to the knife above.
19466
PS I did know a couple of people who used an E-tool to get the job done though.
I've always felt that if you have to pull out a knife to fight you've done SOMETHING wrong.
I used to carry a Fairbairn for sticking people, a Randall #14 for heavy field work and a demo knife.
I never stuck anybody but myself with the Fairbairn (opening mail).
The Randall was a good hacker and would open c-rats in case of no P38.
The demo knife probably got the most work.
;)
What I'd like to see is a Fairbairn-Sykes style blade with saw teeth, a gut hook, hollow survival handle, laser pointer, magnifying glass and pliers made out of a special space age aluminum/platinum, kevlar alloy.:rolleyes:
Utah Bob
07-14-2011, 07:14
"The Jungle Fighter was designed and adapted SF troops in the American military as a purpose built man fighting weapon."
"Adapted" but not adopted.:D
Barbarian
07-14-2011, 07:17
What I'd like to see is a Fairbairn-Sykes style blade with saw teeth, a gut hook, hollow survival handle, laser pointer, magnifying glass and pliers made out of a special space age aluminum/platinum, kevlar alloy.
lol :D
Utah Bob
07-14-2011, 07:20
Or pound cake! Mmmmmm, pound cake AND peaches...
Damn! My mouth's watering.
Is that wrong?
:confused:
ObliqueApproach
07-14-2011, 07:36
Damn! My mouth's watering.
Is that wrong?
:confused:
Only if you start salivating over John Wayne bars....then there might be an issue!:D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuNSGopL-Fc
mdpatterson
07-14-2011, 08:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuNSGopL-Fc
http://www.waspknife.com/
I applied for the Apache Underwater Knifefighting Course, but they turned me down after hearing I was an expert at Hand to Teeth Underwater Sharkfighting ;).
I'm sure everyone here has seen the WASP before, but still interesting to me (Not enough to buy one, but I would like to handle one).
As long as the user doesn't deplete all of his/her Co2 on airsoft matches, could be a fun toy (If it was free).
Mike
x SF med
07-14-2011, 09:35
What I'd like to see is a Fairbairn-Sykes style blade with saw teeth, a gut hook, hollow survival handle, laser pointer, magnifying glass and pliers made out of a special space age aluminum/platinum, kevlar alloy.
What, no toothpick or tweezers? Wrong, just wrong, no super-duper combat knife is complete without toothpick and tweezers....:(
ObliqueApproach
07-14-2011, 09:37
What, no toothpick or tweezers? Wrong, just wrong, no super-duper combat knife is complete without toothpick and tweezers....:(
And the little scissors toooooooo!:munchin
x SF med
07-14-2011, 09:41
And the little scissors toooooooo!:munchin
I'm a medic, I have my cool "cut through a quarter" medic scissors....
Speaking of prison, I prefer to carry a sharpened tooth brush on my kit. Shiv the sentry. :D
I...was determined to be the first person to kill a man with a SPORK!!
"A spork, cousin? Why not an axe, or a sword?" :D
Which goes with my statement that you don't play pokey pokey stabby stabby with guys that have guns, or fangs.
Imagine you are sitting out in the jungle at night, a little "scared", and out of the corner of your eye you sinse movement. Can cause an attitude that someone may not be prepared for.
Shoot them with suppressed pistol, or whack their head off. :munchin :D
Reminds me of hunter a couple of years back who saw a Mt. Lion stalking him in Northwestern Montana.
Guy dropped his rifle to take out his pistol. When he couldn't get his pistol out in time he turned and ran. The cat hit him from behind into a tree and knocked him out. For some reason the cat decided it wasn't worth it. (no protein?) All kidding aside, cat hit the tree too. Lucky dude wearing a good backpack is the only thing that saved his dumbass.
I carry a high quality neck knife ($185, Wilson Combat or Spartan) clipped to my belt, parallel to it, and in Kydex for quick, no fumble either hand removal. Never falls out if setup right. Used for rope cutting, field butchering, gutting, digging, prying, etc. daily. It's light, out of the way, and scary sharp.
As someone else pointed out, if I have to pull it because a cat, bear, or somethin' else is on me, I messed up bad. If I can't bring it to bear in an eye blink then I also deserve the good beating that's on its way.
Reminds me of hunter a couple of years back who saw a Mt. Lion stalking him in Northwestern Montana.
Guy dropped his rifle to take out his pistol. When he couldn't get his pistol out in time he turned and ran. The cat hit him from behind into a tree and knocked him out. For some reason the cat decided it wasn't worth it. (no protein?) All kidding aside, cat hit the tree too. Lucky dude wearing a good backpack is the only thing that saved his dumbass.
I carry a high quality neck knife ($185, Wilson Combat or Spartan) clipped to my belt, parallel to it, and in Kydex for quick, no fumble either hand removal. Never falls out if setup right. Used for rope cutting, field butchering, gutting, digging, prying, etc. daily. It's light, out of the way, and scary sharp.
As someone else pointed out, if I have to pull it because a cat, bear, or somethin' else is on me, I messed up bad. If I can't bring it to bear in an eye blink then I also deserve the good beating that's on its way.
I don't understand your point.
Sorry Dusty, guess that is what happens when you're out in the woods too long alone.
The point: Why use a less useful and riskier tool when a better one is in hand or easily available.
To further clarify the story; Cat is 50yds away, better drop rifle and get handgun (or knife) that's strapped inside jacket. Because even if the rifle were empty (which it wasn't) the muzzle or butt wouldn't do much to end the event.
Who does that? Obviously not longrange.
Sorry Dusty, guess that is what happens when you're out in the woods too long alone.
Gotcha.:D
Thanks! had me wonderin' ;)
CRUSADERSTEEL
07-15-2011, 04:40
You did not just call Crusadersteel "sir", oh, man.... :eek: want to talk about high velocity detrius, that could cause it... ROFLMAO
Funny ... I used to get so much more respect from you when I had your Avatar hostage!!
For those of you that dont know.. this is what happens to a fallen troll who is left behind to fall into the hands of the enemy!
19546
Funny ... I used to get so much more respect from you when I had your Avatar hostage!!
For those of you that dont know.. this is what happens to a fallen troll who is left behind to fall into the hands of the enemy!
He has used this interrogation technique before...
http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2011/02/freeze-your-own-han-solo-in-carbonite-ice-or-chocolate/
The force is strong in this one...
:D
CRUSADERSTEEL
07-15-2011, 05:31
Well.. then he started whining that he was cold! So I wanted to be nice and warm him up! I know this may cause your avatars PTSD to flare but... I cant help myself HA HA..
x SF med
07-15-2011, 09:54
Well.. then he started whining that he was cold! So I wanted to be nice and warm him up! I know this may cause your avatars PTSD to flare but... I cant help myself HA HA..
I'm calling your wife and having her kick your butt... no more homemade ice cream for you...
DJ Urbanovsky
07-15-2011, 11:54
The fire isn't the bad part, it's how you've positioned him over the fire...
Well.. then he started whining that he was cold! So I wanted to be nice and warm him up! I know this may cause your avatars PTSD to flare but... I cant help myself HA HA..
x SF med
07-16-2011, 11:27
I'm beginning to hate you guys, just a little :mad:
CRUSADERSTEEL
07-17-2011, 23:38
The fire isn't the bad part, it's how you've positioned him over the fire...
The crazy thing is I left him alone for five min then find him up on that stick.. little wierdo.. I just built the fire around him.:eek: