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Another SWAT hit........
Just going after another hardened criminal.........
http://www.news10.net/news/article/141072/2/Dept-of-Education-breaks-down-Stockton-mans-door
Ya' really need to read the full story and watch the video.
1stindoor
06-08-2011, 07:34
College loans? Really? I imagine there's a ton of recent college kids across America right now scrambling to make payments.
Paragrouper
06-08-2011, 07:44
The Department of Education has a tactical team?
They really need the money out in Cali.
According to the Department of Education's Office of the Inspector General, the case can't be discussed publicly until it is closed, but a spokesperson did confirm that the department did issue the search warrant at Wright's home.
The Office of the Inspector General has a law enforcement branch of federal agents that carry out search warrants and investigations.
Now who knew this until now?
Office of the Inspector General
Mission Statement
To promote the efficiency, effectiveness, and integrity of the Department's programs and operations, we conduct independent and objective audits, investigations, inspections, and other activities. Anyone knowing of fraud, waste, or abuse of Department of Education funds should contact the OIG Hotline to make a confidential report.
LINK (http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/oig/index.html)
Ahhh, and here is where their authority comes from Statutory Law Enforcement Authority (http://www.ignet.gov/pande/standards/agleguidelines.pdf)
What an interesting department they have there. I wonder how many other departments are buried in the government who have the power to SWAT team your unsuspecting @ss.
The Reaper
06-08-2011, 08:57
Yep, a few years ago, people were asking why the Dept of Ed was issuing requests for purchases of M4s and breaching shotguns.
Now we know.
TR
Wow! I had no idea the Dept. of Ed. had this ability. In all of the law enforcement classes and seminars I have been to, I have never seen a DOE "officer". Dept. of Energy - yes; Dept. of Ed. - no.
What possible evidence could they have been looking for? If it was just to apprehend his ex-wife, a knock-and-talk would have been much more efficient.
On the brightside at least no one was shot 70 times over a student loan, (yet):(
Ironically, Stockton like Oakland leads the state in violent crime, city finances led to laying off tons of LEO, so the city lacks adequate coverge. Yet, if true, there are Dept of Education ordered SWAT teams hitting peoples houses over bad student loans?
Paragrouper
06-08-2011, 10:44
What possible evidence could they have been looking for? If it was just to apprehend his ex-wife, a knock-and-talk would have been much more efficient.
There you go, trying to apply logic to the Federal government again.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/department-of-education-swat-raid-for-unpaid-student-loans/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001010/SWAT-team-launch-dawn-raid-family-home-collect-womans-unpaid-student-loans.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/609535/s.w.a.t._team_breaks_down_doors_looking_for_studen t_loan_defaulters/
http://www.examiner.com/finance-examiner-in-national/failure-to-pay-back-student-loans-can-now-lead-to-arrests-by-dept-of-education
Here are several more interesting view points on this incident.
http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/department-of-education-swat-raid-for-unpaid-student-loans/
The first link had this at the bottom
This, along with the Jose Guerena case, demonstrates how the militarization of police terminology and tactics is incompatible with a free society. Police officers aren’t “operators” like Green Berets or Navy SEALs.
Its interesting to hear someone frame this story in that manner because it then exposes it to the Constitutionality of this practice. If memory serves correctly, there is a provision that 'military force' can not be used on citizens outside of the declaration of Martial Law.
Categorizing these agents as 'militarized' would seem to blur the legality of their actions.
Am I so far off target?
At least the subject of the loan shark's attention didn't pull a Cory Maye.
Sounds like we need another Beer Summit???
:munchin
The first link had this at the bottom
Its interesting to hear someone frame this story in that manner because it then exposes it to the Constitutionality of this practice. If memory serves correctly, there is a provision that 'military force' can not be used on citizens outside of the declaration of Martial Law.
Categorizing these agents as 'militarized' would seem to blur the legality of their actions.
Am I so far off target?
Many departments have trouble with the term "militarization". Some civilians take it so far as to apply it to the rank structure in a department. It may be a sad fact that todays crime and criminals require departments to address training and equipment in a more "military" style nature. It has nothing to do with the legality of it. It is a term used to polarize citizens attitudes against law enforcement. Unfortunantly, cases such as this lend credence to that attitude.
SWAT teams should be used in very specific circumstances. IMO, this one does not come even close to the threshold.
I think I had better hurry down to the library and pay my overdue book fine.....
Many departments have trouble with the term "militarization". Some civilians take it so far as to apply it to the rank structure in a department...............
Police forces and Fire Departments are examples of Paramilitary forces.
The average civilian in the US should understand the difference between military and paramilitary forces. But then........
While I understand the need for more militarized forces to deal with gangs the problem appears to be the expanded use of Militarized Police Units against regular folks. The D of Ed with a SWAT Team collecting student loans?
I know this was discussed a year or so ago...
Everyone else in the US government has guns why not the IRS?;)
This is probably a good time for the Dept of Education, Department of Commerce, Department of Human Services, Department of Labor and the CDC "Enforcement Divisions" to "kit-up" and get some good purchases on weapons and equipment.:rolleyes:
http://professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27464&highlight=INSPECTOR+GENERAL+OIG
Someone here has ESP:
Damn! There's my retirement job!!!! Department of Education, Enforcement Division.
<sound of door being kicked in>
<sound of Remington 870 with 14" barrel being racked>
There I stand in my tactical gear, with shotgun, and red grading pen resting over my left ear.
When you say "no-knock warrant," you mean like the IRS breaks into a home with a SWAT-team with no warning?
Sort of. I'm using the IRS as a proxy for any no-knock warrant situation. I'm assuming, but have not investigated, that the IRS deals with some pretty bad people and could possibly end up with that authority. What really interests me is, What would you do in the receiving end of a no-knock situation, especially in a castle doctrine state? This subject came up in one of my CCP classes, and I had not good answer.
The links on this story are getting yanked down ASAP!
wandering_idiot
06-08-2011, 12:38
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001010/SWAT-team-launch-dawn-raid-family-home-collect-womans-unpaid-student-loans.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Maybe the UK ones won't pull them.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=231532
And the YouTube direct link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8T9KgsmJTI
Mr Wright was later told by Stockton police that the order to send in the SWAT team came from The U.S. Department of Education who were looking for his estranged wife to collect defaulted loan payments.
Doesn't the enclosed link indicate the SWAT team was Stockton PD, acting on the orders of the Dept of Education?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001010/SWAT-team-launch-dawn-raid-family-home-collect-womans-unpaid-student-loans.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
ApacheIP
06-08-2011, 13:44
I think this indicates otherwise:
They did however confirm that their Office of the Inspector General had issued the search warrant.
The office has its own branch of federal agents that carry out search warrants and investigations.
Gannett. Was the orignal news station a Gannett company? Gannett is pretty Gung-Ho about going after any posting of copywrighted material.
My son is an officer with Stockton Police Department and it was NOT them who served the warrant, DOE had it done by others (unknown who).
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/09/unpaid-student-loan-raid-claim-refuted-as-feds-target-california-couple-in/?test=latestnews
Now the Feds are trying to say a student loan had nothing to do with it. The suspects were under investigation for other fraudulent activity. They won't release the details of the warrant though. This is going to be getting a lot more attention in the coming days I think.
"While it was reported in local media that the search was related to a defaulted student loan, that is incorrect," the statement read. "This is related to a criminal investigation. The Inspector General's Office does not execute search warrants for late loan payments."
Confirming that it WAS the OIG and not local PD.
Hamilton declined to comment on the specifics of the case, citing an ongoing investigation.
"We can say that the OIG's office conducts about 30-35 search warrants a year on issues such as bribery, fraud, and embezzlement of federal student aid funds," the statement continued.
Hamilton referred all further inquiries to DOE's Office of Inspector General. Catherine Grant, OIG's spokeswoman, declined to provide a copy of the warrant served on Tuesday.
Are embezzlement, bribery or fraud in relation to student aid funds sufficient crimes to warrant a visit from the OIG SWAT Team?
I wonder if there is more to this than meets the eye, of if the spin is because somebody's poor judgement has caught the ear of the press.
Confirming ....Are embezzlement, bribery or fraud in relation to student aid funds sufficient crimes to warrant a visit from the OIG SWAT Team? ................
Since they directed everyone off on the "embezzlement, bribery or fraud" path the next question for them should be "Do you consider failure to repay a loan as Fraud?"
Here is a story that I found interesting because members here have long before posted this information: <LINK> (http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/publius-forum/2011/06/more-dept-of-education-stormtroopers-they-are-armed-with-shotguns-seriously.html)
Strange that there are no new stories, no blog posts, nothing but crickets out there about this story today.