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Hmmmm.... I understand live feed being cut, but now all the cameras were turned off? Was the photo in the "war room" staged? Clinton in an interview said she was just covering her mouth due to a "spring allergy cough..."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Blackout-during-raid-on-bin-Laden-compound.html
Osama bin Laden dead: Blackout during raid on bin Laden compound
The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events.
Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off.
A photograph released by the White House appeared to show the President and his aides in the situation room watching the action as it unfolded. In fact they had little knowledge of what was happening in the compound.
In an interview with PBS, Mr Panetta said: "Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn't know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.
"We had some observation of the approach there, but we did not have direct flow of information as to the actual conduct of the operation itself as they were going through the compound."
Mr Panetta also told the network that the US Navy Seals made the final decision to kill bin Laden rather than the president.
He said: "The authority here was to kill bin Laden. And obviously, under the rules of engagement, if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn't appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him.
"To be frank, I don't think he had a lot of time to say anything. It was a firefight going up that compound. And by the time they got to the third floor and found bin Laden, I think it - this was all split-second action on the part of the Seals."
The President only knew the mission was successful after the Navy Seals commander heard the word “Geronimo” on the radio, a code word from commandos reporting that they had killed bin Laden.
The absence of footage of the raid has led to conflicting reports about what happened in the compound. According to Pakistani authorities one of bin Laden’s daughter’s, who was present during the raid, claimed that her father was captured alive before he was killed.
There was also growing doubt about the US claims that Pakistan’s intelligence agencies involved in the raid.
Lieutenant General Asad Durrani, former head of the ISI, Pakistan's intelligence service, said it was "inconceivable" that his government was unaware of the US raid on Osama bin Laden's compound.
He claimed his country was forced to deny any knowledge of the raid to avoid a domestic backlash. The ISI's official line has been that bin Laden's compound had "slipped off our radar" after it raided the building in 2003 while hunting for another senior al-Qaeda operative.The agency claims it was unaware that bin Laden was hiding there.
Lieutenant General Durrani, however, said that the denial was a "political" maneuver by the intelligence services to avoid claims that they were working too closely with the US.
He said: "It is more likely that they did know [about the raid]. It is not conceivable that it was done without the involvement of Pakistani security forces at some stage. They were involved and they were told they were in position.
"The army chief was in his office, the cordons had been thrown around that particular place. The Pakistani helicopters were also in the air so that indicates that it was involved.
"[There are] political implications back home. If you say that you are involved there is a large, vocal faction of Pakistani society that will get very upset because we are carrying out repeatedly these operations with the Americans."
The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events.
"Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations."
:D
1stindoor
05-05-2011, 10:55
Leon Panetta, director of the CIA, revealed there was a 25 minute blackout during which the live feed from cameras mounted on the helmets of the US special forces was cut off.
In an interview with PBS, Mr Panetta said: "Once those teams went into the compound I can tell you that there was a time period of almost 20 or 25 minutes where we really didn't know just exactly what was going on. And there were some very tense moments as we were waiting for information.
Penalty flag has been thrown.
Puhhhh-leeeze, you mean to tell me that there wasn't one single drone any where nearby to provide a live video feed?
GratefulCitizen
05-05-2011, 19:27
The head of the CIA admitted yesterday that there was no live video footage of the raid on Osama bin Laden's compound as further doubts emerged about the US version of events.
"To be frank, I don't think he had a lot of time to say anything. It was a firefight going up that compound. And by the time they got to the third floor and found bin Laden, I think it - this was all split-second action on the part of the Seals."
Well, there is this footage floating around of ubl's last stand.
Though it appears that they had to fight their way up 5 levels instead of 3.
(Seems to be a Pagoda, too.)
It appears he didn't say much.
The beard is a bit short, and he appears to be more than 6'4".
It also seems that he was unarmed and he did put his hands up at one point.
But he did resist.
Not sure if this footage is real.
The sound seems to be doctored.
The footprint should be verified.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSoX6qB9N0
"Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter accusations."
:D
I was thinking the same thing!!
Penalty flag has been thrown.
Puhhhh-leeeze, you mean to tell me that there wasn't one single drone any where nearby to provide a live video feed?
1stIN...
Come one you don't believe them..
POTUS does one thing right and he doesn't (nor the WH) know what they need to do or say. Typical of this WH. Wait tomorrow will be another flip of their coin.
I'm hoping somebody is relearning an olde rule of thumb - having pics/videos/copies of docs/recorded transmissions of everything is not always a good thing. ;)
Richard :munchin
Ret10Echo
05-05-2011, 19:44
Hmmmm.... I understand live feed being cut, but now all the cameras were turned off? Was the photo in the "war room" staged?
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I was going to say... Were they that transfixed by a blank screen? I mean, since there were no UAS feeds to watch.
Maybe it was Charlie Sheen's concert? Would that explain the hand over the mouth?
1stindoor
05-06-2011, 06:15
I'm hoping somebody is relearning an olde rule of thumb - having pics/videos/copies of docs/recorded transmissions of everything is not always a good thing. ;)
Richard :munchin
Agree 100%. I always told my guys that Predator was not your friend...it's a "spy" for higher...a way to Armchair Quarterback your op. If they were doing it for much much smaller ops 5 years ago...I know they were doing it on this one.
69harley
05-06-2011, 07:11
Is it possible that the live feed was not recorded?
Is it possible that the live feed was not recorded?
Sure. It's also possible that bin Laden wasn't killed because he's dead a while, so they don't want PHOTINT of a ruse.
I'm hoping somebody is relearning an olde rule of thumb - having pics/videos/copies of docs/recorded transmissions of everything is not always a good thing. ;)
Richard :munchin
Are you referring to President Nixon or a more modern example?
Are you referring to President Nixon or a more modern example?
I think he's prolly referring to the Alien Autopsy movie...:munchin
Ambush Master
05-06-2011, 16:34
Supposedly there was a total "Communications and Power" outage during the raid. Would a Rivet Joint Operation also disrupt Video equipment??
Utah Bob
05-07-2011, 07:14
I was going to say... Were they that transfixed by a blank screen? I mean, since there were no UAS feeds to watch.
Maybe it was Charlie Sheen's concert? Would that explain the hand over the mouth?
Maybe the kitchen just announced that they were out of Espresso and popcorn.
Maybe a picture of Bush at Ground Zero suddenly popped up on the screen.
Could be the bright white blank screen just held their attention. Like moths.
:rolleyes:
incarcerated
05-07-2011, 11:32
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cowboykpy
05-07-2011, 11:52
Good on ST-6! Just a thought, but i wouldn't be suprised if the GFC had a talk with the commo dude running the uplink that as soon as X happened the uplink needed to go down to prevent too much oversight and protect the team. A little self imposed commo outage never hurts when higher keeps wanting to micro manage, right? :D
Utah Bob
05-08-2011, 08:41
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Dammit! I stared at that in fascination for 5 minutes!
The Reaper
05-08-2011, 09:15
Dammit! I stared at that in fascination for 5 minutes!
Probably habit.
For our younger readers, that used to be all that was on TV after 2330 hrs.
TR
Probably habit.
For our younger readers, that used to be all that was on TV after 2330 hrs.
TR
I remember that, didn't they play the National Anthem as well? IIRC there were only 5-6 TV stations "back in the day".
Gads I am old. :D
I remember that, didn't they play the National Anthem as well? IIRC there were only 5-6 TV stations "back in the day".
Gads I am old. :D
At KZAZ, Tucson, we ran this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mQTPL6pbIk
Pat
At KZAZ, Tucson, we ran this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mQTPL6pbIk
Pat
That's pretty cool!
lonewolf726
05-10-2011, 07:06
I remember that, didn't they play the National Anthem as well?
Yes, they did.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/12/eveningnews/main20062410.shtml?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel
CBS News) WASHINGTON - A new picture emerged Thursday of what really happened the night the Navy SEALs swooped in on Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan.
CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports the 40 minutes it took to kill bin Laden and scoop his archives into garbage bags were all recorded by tiny helmet cameras worn by each of the 25 SEALs.
Officials reviewing those videos are still reconstructing a more accurate version of what happened. We now know that the only firefight took place in the guest house, where one of bin Laden's couriers opened fire and was quickly gunned down. No one in the main building got off a shot or was even armed, although there were weapons nearby.
Special Report: The Killing of Osama bin Laden
The SEALs first saw bin Laden when he came out on the third floor landing. They fired, but missed. He retreated to his bedroom, and the first SEAL through the door grabbed bin Laden's daughters and pulled them aside.
When the second SEAL entered, bin Laden's wife rushed forward at him -- or perhaps was pushed by bin Laden. The SEAL shoved her aside and shot bin Laden in the chest. A third seal shot him in the head.
The top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee went to CIA headquarters Thursday to view photos the SEALs took of bin Laden's body.
Lawmakers see bin Laden photos
"There were probably about maybe four, five or six photos," said Rep. C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger, D-Md. "There are just a couple body shots. He was like, in a white undershirt and a tan robe."
The electronic files the SEALs carted away from bin Laden's compound contain -- among many things -- the names of terrorist operatives which until now were unknown to U.S. intelligence. The files also contain a small, 12-page journal of bin Laden's handwritten notes about launching a major attack against the United States. He instructed against using Arabs because they arouse too much suspicion, to go after trains and to time the attack to coincide with the 10th anniversary of September 11.
Bin Laden wanted to attack U.S. on 9/11 anniversary
There are also messages to his senior lieutenants and to al Qaeda affiliates, urging them not to waste time on small, local operations and focus their efforts on the United States.
Ruppersberger said, "He kept all that information and he kept all of the data, computers, hard drives and this is what we're analyzing and it shows that his focus was clearly the United States."
U.S. officials cannot understand why bin Laden apparently left what amounts to the keys to his terrorist kingdom just lying around his compound in plain sight -- none of it rigged for self destruction.The killing of Osama bin Laden
Why didn't bin Laden protect his files? The best guess is he thought the United States would never find him.
How 'bout cause we have a Prez who loves Muslims?
Two pictures (among others) that might be interesting:
(1) The expression on Bin Laden's face when he heard that very first bump in the night that fateful evening; and
(2) the expression on his face when he suddenly realized that those were actual US troops about to unleash hell.
ApacheIP
05-12-2011, 19:55
There is so much info we just freely and openly provide about this action - I don't get it.
Curious as to what has been so freely and openly provided about this action...?
The "interesting" stuff is quiet. Like who whacked him, who wrecked helo, who killed the other three jihadist, who shot the woman, etc. As it should be and I hope it stays that way...for a loooong time. That is need to know and I don't need to know and neither does anybody else outside that team.
Still want to see a confirmed pic though. IMHO there has not been enough provided about this action in certain aspects (as long as there are no PERSEC and OPSEC issues)
The age in which we live of you tube, liveleak and 3 hour news cycles almost demands we know more. Sensitivity of mooslims be damned.
ApacheIP
05-12-2011, 20:59
How much info do I think is too much?
How many helo's were on the mission. Easily inferred, certainly wasn't just two and I bet there was even more we will not hear about for a while.
How many guys were on the misson. Also easily inferred, teams are a certain size and aircraft carry "x" amount and I would hazard a guess that there were was a QRF somewhere and that the four horsemen were slingloaded.
What units were on the mission. Yeah, kinda agree here. I think it more appropriate that our ninjas shot him in the face. I am seriously agreeing here.
Who shot who, where inside the house they shot them. Meh, Inshallah. The "who" is DevGru...there will be a book. I bet there is a video.
Now the video from the unit's involved is being reported about. Hot damn there is a video! 24-25 angry dudes with guns in a foreign country, fast roping and landing in stealth helicopters in the worlds most wanted terrorist compound....? Hell yes there better be a video with no gaps!!
I personally would be fine with "in the dark of night we shot him in the face." With our niinjas and here are the pictures.
Done. :D
The Reaper
05-13-2011, 08:16
How much info do I think is too much?
How many helo's were on the mission. Easily inferred, certainly wasn't just two and I bet there was even more we will not hear about for a while.
How many guys were on the misson. Also easily inferred, teams are a certain size and aircraft carry "x" amount and I would hazard a guess that there were was a QRF somewhere and that the four horsemen were slingloaded.
What units were on the mission. Yeah, kinda agree here. I think it more appropriate that our ninjas shot him in the face. I am seriously agreeing here.
Who shot who, where inside the house they shot them. Meh, Inshallah. The "who" is DevGru...there will be a book. I bet there is a video.
Now the video from the unit's involved is being reported about. Hot damn there is a video! 24-25 angry dudes with guns in a foreign country, fast roping and landing in stealth helicopters in the worlds most wanted terrorist compound....? Hell yes there better be a video with no gaps!!
I personally would be fine with "in the dark of night we shot him in the face." With our niinjas and here are the pictures.
Done. :D
I think that those were rhetorical questions.:rolleyes:
TR