View Full Version : Maher: Obama Not a Christian
This clown should know...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/12/maher_questions_obamas_christianity_i_just_dont_be lieve_it.html
dr. mabuse
02-13-2011, 10:24
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bandycpa
02-13-2011, 12:17
But it's interesting how Maher approached this, and how it contrasts with others that have questioned Obama's religious beliefs. Before, it was surmised that Obama was a Muslim. The obvious answer from his camp was "no, he's Christian." The answer was assumed to be on either side the two extremes.
Although Maher said he didn't think Obama was a Christian, he never argued that Obama was a Muslim either. Why would this create a different perception? Could it be that Obama not being a Christian (but being something else other than a Muslim) is not a big a deal as it would be if Obama was found to be Muslim? Could the Obama administration use this particular tactic to get people to lay off of his faith preference?
This would be a tremendous way to put this issue to rest for him as reelection time approaches.
Bandy
Although Maher said he didn't think Obama was a Christian, he never argued that Obama was a Muslim either. Why would this create a different perception? Could it be that Obama not being a Christian (but being something else other than a Muslim) is not a big a deal as it would be if Obama was found to be Muslim?
Obama is a Chameleon, he changes color as his agenda or surroundings require.
But it's interesting how Maher approached this, and how it contrasts with others that have questioned Obama's religious beliefs. Before, it was surmised that Obama was a Muslim. The obvious answer from his camp was "no, he's Christian." The answer was assumed to be on either side the two extremes.
Although Maher said he didn't think Obama was a Christian, he never argued that Obama was a Muslim either. Why would this create a different perception? Could it be that Obama not being a Christian (but being something else other than a Muslim) is not a big a deal as it would be if Obama was found to be Muslim? Could the Obama administration use this particular tactic to get people to lay off of his faith preference?
This would be a tremendous way to put this issue to rest for him as reelection time approaches.
Bandy
I wouldn't get my hopes up, Bandy.
Out of all the people I hate. Maher is the worst. His elitist attitude and disdain for this country make me sick. I would love to beat his ass. He was running his mouth on Leno the other night. He said Gun ownership is the same as being addicted to Drugs. Even the audience was like WTF over.
greenberetTFS
02-13-2011, 14:35
Out of all the people I hate. Maher is the worst. His elitist attitude and disdain for this country make me sick. I would love to beat his ass. He was running his mouth on Leno the other night. He said Gun ownership is the same as being addicted to Drugs. Even the audience was like WTF over.
I completely concur............:mad:
Big Teddy :munchin
dr. mabuse
02-13-2011, 14:39
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bandycpa
02-13-2011, 14:55
I wouldn't get my hopes up, Bandy.
Dusty, this isn't what I hope he does. Not at all, sir. I can just see this as being a way for Obama to distance himself from the Muslim issue by saying "I'm neither Christian *nor* Muslim. I'm secular-humanist (or insert name of religion here)."
When you're damned if you do or damned if you don't, the only way to keep from being damned at all is to make another way.
Dusty, this isn't what I hope he does. Not at all, sir. I can just see this as being a way for Obama to distance himself from the Muslim issue by saying "I'm neither Christian *nor* Muslim. I'm secular-humanist (or insert name of religion here)."
When you're damned if you do or damned if you don't, the only way to keep from being damned at all is to make another way.
I understand. My point is that the questions about him haven't been definitely answered after more than two years, so they probably won't before 2012.
I've got an idea, let's just ignore the ahole...on every issue, like 'you are dead to me'
olhamada
02-13-2011, 15:47
I understand. My point is that the questions about him haven't been definitely answered after more than two years, so they probably won't before 2012.
Obama himself indicates he is not a Christian. Referencing Stephen Mansfield's book, "The Faith of Barak Obama", and Obama's own books, Obama says, "The Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites." [She tried to embed in me] "a common set of beliefs about how you treat other people and how you aspire to act, not just for yourself, but also for the greater good."
In his book, Mansfield goes on to show that Obama believes that "Christianity is but one religious tree rooted in the common ethical soil of all human experience". He believes that there are many paths to God (as do 57% of evangelicals according to a recent survey by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life). He believes prayer is a way to check one's ego, take stock of oneself, and maintain one's moral compass. Regarding a conversation he had with his daughter about the afterlife, Obama states, "I wasn't sure what happens when we die, anymore than I was sure of where the soul resides or what existed before the Big Bang." When asked about eternal punishment, he said, "I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell."
Though Obama says he believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died for his sins and rose again, belief is not enough. His doubts about the exclusivity of Christ, original sin, eternal punishment and reward, inspiration and infallibility of scripture, ethical standards founded on the scripture, etc... make us question the genuineness of his belief and faith. The scriptures tell us that the devil believes - and trembles. Belief must take root in faith which then reveals itself in fruit as both Christ and the apostle Paul tell us.
So, after analyzing Obama's beliefs and background, though he may say that he is a Christian (as do upwards of 70% of Americans), he is not a follower of Christ in all that Christ is and teaches. He picks and chooses what he believes. In fact, he has done what many in our day do - he has created God in his own image returning the favor of God creating us in His. Obama's belief system proves to be rather pluralistic and pragmatic. In essence he is a secular humanist, but he is not truly a Christian. I am not trying to judge his heart, but I am looking at his fruit and making a general assessment based on what he says and how he lives his life. This is not saying he isn't a good man. I believe he is a good man (though with a depraved and dark heart like the rest of us). However, his words and life indicate that he does not know the Creator of the universe, our Lord and Saviour Jesus the Christ.
So as much as you may dislike Maher, I think he's right on this one.
olhamada
02-13-2011, 15:52
BTW, if he is indeed Muslim, he is as bad of a Muslim as he is a Christian (were he really Christian).
, I also believe he is a great leader with great vision.
Please list an example of either great leadership or great vision.:munchin
olhamada
02-13-2011, 16:03
Please list an example of either great leadership or great vision.:munchin
Please excuse that. :D
I actually wrote much of the above as part of a book review for Thomas Nelson Publishers before he was elected. After watching him in the Democratic Primary Debates, though i didn't like it, I knew he was going to be our next President because he was eloquent, black, the antithesis of Bush, and connected with the nation on an emotional level - in fact I blogged on that in November 2008. I hoped against hope that there was something there. i was sadly mistaken.
I'll edit that part out - because I do not believe it and never have - just hoped it was so.....besides, as a reviewer for TNP. I was trying to be PC. :-)
Even to this day, I'm surprised Bill Maher survived these comments:
Sept. 19, 2001, 9:00AM
Bill Maher calls U.S. cowardly; FedEx pulls ads from show
By MIKE McDANIEL
Copyright 2001 Houston Chronicle TV Editor
Federal Express ordered its ads removed from the ABC late-night series Politically Incorrect on Tuesday after the show's host referred to recent U.S. military actions as "cowardly."
After receiving complaints from around the country, including Houston, Federal Express reviewed Monday's edition of the show and decided to act, company spokesperson Carla Richards said.
Richards said she did not know how many complaints the company received, but that they were of sufficient quantity to merit the actions the company took.
"The (30-second) ad that runs during that show has been pulled for the indefinite future," Richards said.
Dinesh D'Souza, a panelist on Monday's show, quibbled with a reference made by President George W. Bush that the suicide bombers were cowards, noting that they gave up their lives for whatever may be their cause.
"These are warriors," D'Souza said, "and we have to realize that the principles of our way of life are in conflict with people in the world."
"We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away," said Bill Maher, the host of Politically Incorrect. "That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly."
"I was just appalled," said Dan Patrick, general manager of KSEV (700 AM) and host of a radio talk show. "When you call our men in the (armed forces) cowards and our military policy cowardly, and when you call these hijackers `warriors,' that should not be tolerated."
Patrick urged listeners to call KTRK and urge the station to stop carrying the "irresponsible" program. Other hosts of KSEV talk shows made the same request.
"The First Amendment gives us the freedom of speech, but it does not guarantee anyone a TV show or a TV camera or a radio show, for that matter," Patrick said. "If Bill Maher believes that Americans are cowards and hijackers are warriors, let him go out on the street corner and shout that. But Disney does not have to give him a TV show and Channel 13 does not have to air that show."
KTRK said it received a number of calls -- "in the low hundreds," the station said. The station said it receives triple that amount when it pre-empts a soap opera. It had no further comment.
ABC issued a statement saying, in part, that Politically Incorrect "celebrates freedom of speech and encourages the animated exchange of ideas and opinions. Understandably, this forum can oftentimes arouse intense emotions, especially during such a sensitive time.
"While we remain sensitive to the current climate following last week's tragedy, and continue to do our part to help viewers cope with unfolding events, we have an obligation to offer a forum for the expression of our nation's diverse opinions."
Mahler just has no idea what "stupid" really is.
Maher is waiting on the Obama / Biden super rail to OZ with all the other left wing anti Americans that the now generation has spawned.
The Reaper
02-13-2011, 16:59
IMHO, the books were written to help him win the popularity contest and get elected, and consequently, may or may not be factual of his personal experiences and beliefs.
I would love to meet Maher in person.
TR
A platter full of holier than thou crapola seasoned with a sprinkling of liberal rub, garnished with a sprig of mossy bias, and served up with its well-gnawed political bone of contention for public consumption.
Richard :munchin
A platter full of holier than thou crapola seasoned with a sprinkling of liberal rub, garnished with a sprig of mossy bias, and served up with its well-gnawed political bone of contention for public consumption.
That sums it up nicely, enough to make a feral pig vomit...
"We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away," said Bill Maher, the host of Politically Incorrect. "That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly."
I had not seen, nor heard, these words from Maher before - what a POS. I knew that he was an antagonist. I knew that he was controversial, but I did not know that he was a POS. When I read those words...never-mind.
bailaviborita
02-13-2011, 20:41
Obama is a Chameleon, he changes color as his agenda or surroundings require.
No! Obama is a politician. Wait- I repeat what you said... ;)
On the topic of us being "cowards"- it reminded me of a conversation in Kabul recently between 5 officers prior to a meeting:
"You know- if this was a movie set in a galaxy 'far far away', the crowd would be cheering on the poor, outgunned rebels and booing the imperial stormtroopers in their tie-fighters and unmanned drones raining death down from above."
"That's bullshit. We're fighting a bunch of women beaters and boy rapists. They deserve nothing less than to be frozen in carbonite and their dicks knocked off."
"They don't fight fair. Fuck 'em."
"What? Are you saying that IEDs, suicide vests, and civilian shields isn't fair- but overwhelming firepower from the air, vast technological superiority, an over 10 to 1 numbers advantage, and MRAPs ARE fair?"
"Okay- let's get this meeting started. Remember- the reason we're here is to go over the new FORCEPRO policy."
"Stormtroopers definitely didn't have FORCEPRO."
"Yes they did- don't you remember when they were looking for the two robots in the first movie? They could have wacked everyone in that town until they found them, but they didn't. Darth Vader had some fucked up ROE on those guys. He even told them if they came across a mullah to just repeat whatever he said!"
"Why are we developing new FORCEPRO again?"
"Because NATO is going to pull out if we lose any more non-combat troops."
"The stormtroopers didn't have NATO. THAT was the difference."