View Full Version : Daredevil Plunge From Outer Space Put on Hold
SouthernDZ
10-12-2010, 15:57
I'd have to give this some thought first....
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/10/12/red-bull-cancels-daredevils-plunge-outer-space/
Skydiving is dangerous. Skydiving from a plane in outer space is worse. But it's the lawsuits that'll really kill you, it seems.
For years, an Austrian daredevil named Felix Baumgartner has been planning to take a 23-mile plunge from the edge of space -- and in the process, become the first parachutist to break the sound barrier, plummeting toward the ground at 760 miles per hour. The engineers and scientists behind The Red Bull Stratos project, an effort to break the record for the highest freefall ever, billed the jump as more than a stunt. The leap from 120,000 feet was to yield volumes of data that would have been used to develop advanced life support systems for future pilots, astronauts, and even space tourists.
But a promoter feels that the jump was his idea, and filed a lawsuit in April to prevent the event from taking place. Daniel Hogan claims that Red Bull stole confidential plans he had developed for the stunt, which he pitched as “SpaceDive” to Red Bull in 2004. Due to the ongoing lawsuit, Red Bull has been forced to suspend the mission -- and put on hold Baumgartner's jump.
"Despite the fact that many other people over the past 50 years have tried to break Colonel (Ret.) Joe Kittinger's record, and that other individuals have sought to work with Red Bull in an attempt to break his record, Mr. Hogan claims to own certain rights to the project and filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit earlier this year in a Californian court," Red Bull wrote in a statement about the change.
"Red Bull has acted appropriately in its prior dealings with Mr. Hogan, and will demonstrate this as the case progresses. Due to the lawsuit, we have decided to stop the project until this case has been resolved."
In his complaint in Los Angeles Superior Court, Hogan claims the daredevil stunt would be worth $375 million to $625 million in advertising to any corporate sponsor.
What would it have felt like for Baumgartner to open the hatch of the custom space gondola suspended below the weather balloon that would have taken him to space? What would it have felt like to step out into 23 miles of nothingness?
"For about the first 30 seconds he's not going to feel anything," Mike Todd, a life-support engineer at Sage Cheshire Aerospace and a member of the Red Bull Stratos team, told FoxNews.com earlier this year. This is particularly dangerous because, even though the air is so thin that it won't feel like he's even falling, Baumgartner needed to get into exactly the right position -- the so-called delta position -- to attain the speed he wanted and simultaneously survive the five-and-a-half-minute descent.
Todd said Baumgartner would reach Mach1 somewhere between 100,000 and 90,000 feet. But it wouldn't have been overly uncomfortable, due to the thin air. At that altitude, Todd said, "It will feel like putting your hand out the window of a car going 35 mph."
Unfortunately, we may never know. Red Bull claimed it had merely suspended the project, rather than outright canceling it, but only time and the judges will tell. Daniel Hogan was unavailable for comment.
Nothing of nothing is - nothing.
Maybe he would like to volunteer to wear the suit and make the jump?
Utah Bob
10-12-2010, 17:31
Joe Kittinger continues to reign supreme.:D
The Reaper
10-12-2010, 17:53
Joe Kittinger continues to reign supreme.:D
And I am glad. :D
TR
Everybody wants a piece of the pie. I need to find something to sue someone for so I can make some money too.
Skydiver to jump from edge of space in record bid
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16922438
An Austrian adventurer is making the final preparations to jump from the very edge of space.
Felix Baumgartner will leap from a balloon 23 miles high at the very point where the atmosphere ends and space begins.
Pallab Ghosh reports.
Video at link - looks to be a go.
Guymullins
02-07-2012, 05:25
Although Joe Kittinger deployed a drogue-chute immediatly after exit (so cant claim the worlds longets free-fall) he may have broken the speed of sound in his decent. His speed was not accurately measured and his drogue was not large enough to materially slow him at the higher altitude in his jump.
greenberetTFS
02-07-2012, 06:45
Everybody wants a piece of the pie. I need to find something to sue someone for so I can make some money too.
Try this.......I'm thinking of suing PS.com for hurting my feelings by telling me to SEARCH first before I do any posting's.......:rolleyes::eek::p
Big Teddy :munchin
Try this.......I'm thinking of suing PS.com for hurting my feelings by telling me to SEARCH first before I do any posting's.......:rolleyes::eek::p
I do believe there is sufficient numbers for that to qualify as a class action suit...
Utah Bob
02-07-2012, 10:33
And I am glad. :D
TR
And he always will in my book!
Badger52
02-07-2012, 11:29
I do believe there is sufficient numbers for that to qualify as a class action suit...I believe one would first have to be a QP to have standing with the Court.
;)
Record-seeking skydiver makes 13-mile test jump
http://news.yahoo.com/record-seeking-skydiver-makes-13-mile-test-jump-233204849.html
"Skydiving daredevil Felix Baumgartner is more than halfway toward his goal of setting a world record for the highest jump.
Baumgartner lifted off Thursday for a test jump from Roswell, N.M., aboard a 100-foot helium balloon. He rode inside a pressurized capsule to 71,581 feet — 13.6 miles — and then jumped. He parachuted to a safe landing, according to project spokeswoman Trish Medalen................."
Even the test jump was pretty high up there.
Guymullins
03-16-2012, 08:22
Record-seeking skydiver makes 13-mile test jump
http://news.yahoo.com/record-seeking-skydiver-makes-13-mile-test-jump-233204849.html
"Skydiving daredevil Felix Baumgartner is more than halfway toward his goal of setting a world record for the highest jump.
Baumgartner lifted off Thursday for a test jump from Roswell, N.M., aboard a 100-foot helium balloon. He rode inside a pressurized capsule to 71,581 feet — 13.6 miles — and then jumped. He parachuted to a safe landing, according to project spokeswoman Trish Medalen................."
Even the test jump was pretty high up there.
I think the test jump broke the worlds freefall record. When I was planning an attempt on it with one of your countrymen some years ago it stood at 45 000 ft ASL. I had not heard that it had been broken in the interim.
Great Photographs
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/9148544/Base-jumper-and-skydiver-Felix-Baumgartner-and-his-Red-Bull-Stratos-challenge.html?frame=2169351
Try this.......I'm thinking of suing PS.com for hurting my feelings by telling me to SEARCH first before I do any posting's.......:rolleyes::eek::p
Big Teddy :munchin
Please feel free to submit the attach form to your local JAG office to continue with the law suit. LOL.
DIYPatriot
04-25-2012, 09:04
Please feel free to submit the attach form to your local JAG office to continue with the law suit. LOL.
Oh. Dear. Lord. That cracked me up!!! Awesome!
Please feel free to submit the attach form to your local JAG office to continue with the law suit. LOL.
MOST excellent!
Skydiver Fearless Felix jumps from 18 miles, sets personal best in test for record attempt
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/parachutist-fearless-felix-jumps-from-18-miles-sets-personal-record-in-test-for-record-try/2012/07/25/gJQAd1q08W_story.html
96,640 ft (estimated) today - not bad at all. Just a warmup for the big one.
The Reaper
07-25-2012, 16:33
Nice logbook entry.
Ans 3.5 minutes of freefall time as well. :D
TR
Skydiver Felix Baumgartner set to break sound barrier
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19860249
"..............Lift-off from Roswell airport will occur no earlier than 0730 local time (1330 GMT; 1430BST). .............."
Today's the day - maybe.
Weather hold due to high winds - at 700 feet - the top of the balloon.
http://www.redbullstratos.com/
Live stream: http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/
Pat
Dang - clock stopped for now.
It is being aired live on Discovery as of right now!
Well, they gave the go, slight delay in starting to fill the balloon and now with the wind slamming the balloon around it's aborted for today.
MK262MOD1
10-09-2012, 13:50
Any news when they will retry? How does the weather look out there for the week?
Dreadnought
10-09-2012, 13:51
That's pretty impressive. I wonder to what degree people will push the limits. It'd be amazing to see, or even theorize for, a human reentry from the lower limits of the ionosphere, and maybe even some day from LEO.
I'm sure it will happen. Just probably not in my life time, unfortunately
Any news when they will retry? How does the weather look out there for the week?
Radio news said Thursday, but the forcast calls for T-storms then and Friday. Saturday is clear, but breezy.
Pat
Reading through the site they stated the balloon is pretty much a one shot deal once it comes out of the box. The way it was banging on the ground today means that one is going in the trash can tonight.
That only gives them one shot with the spare balloon. If that is blown then they have to wait for two more to be made.
69harley
10-09-2012, 17:24
Maybe I missed it, but how long does it take a balloon to reach this kind of altitude?
Maybe I missed it, but how long does it take a balloon to reach this kind of altitude?
1 minute per 1,000 ft. Up higher may get to 1,400 per minute.
They have it figured pretty close up to the balloon float altitude. Where the balloon reaches maximum size and will go no higher based on the weight of the capsule.
I forget the exact time line but the jumper exits, after a period of time the capsule is cut free and returns to earth under a parachute while the balloon has it's vents opened and returns twisting and turning to earth where it is recovered.
The lift time should take just under 3 hours. about 1000ft per minute is correct however as the atmophere thins the air density will decrease thus causing the balloon to expand. This increases the drag on the balloon and will cause it to slow as it reaches higher altitudes. Inevitably the air will become so thin that the balloon will obtain nuetral bouyancy. For this experiment, they estimate that point to be between 120,000 and 130,000ft. I attached the formula if anyone is overly interested.
mark46th
10-10-2012, 11:53
Perfectly clear to me.
It goes up until it stops. Get out just before that happens.
Perfectly clear to me.
+1
Sunday around 0600 MDT - that's the next shot at the record.
Target launch time 1600Z (1000 MDT) but may launch sooner due to favorable winds.
Pat
Just launched .... 0929 MDT
Live stream: http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/
Pat
The link above still works .....
Past 19,000 ft.
I think I read somewhere the actual jump is going to be on a 20 sec. delay - just in cause.
50,000 ft
Yeah and redbull has said there will be a 20 sec delay incase anything goes wrong.
80,000! 2/3's of the way.
The Reaper
10-14-2012, 11:26
107,000'.
Faceplate defrosting problems right now.
TR
Looks like they gave him some nice soft sand dunes to land in. :D
Pat
at 122K. baloon has leveled off for the most part. Going thru pre-jump checklist. FOX picking up coverage. Just showed an update and said that they will have it back on live when he gets ready to jump.
Badger52
10-14-2012, 12:17
WOW
Simply amazing.
Watching him step out on to the platform with the world on the horizon was awesome.
:lifter
That was frickin' amazing...nice landing too...:lifter
127K and change.
The IR Camera seemed to show him in a flat spin for a while.
Face plate did fog up when he hit the colder air about 1/2 way down.
Looks like he let Kittinger keep the free-fall record. :lifter
Pat
Amazing.
he was spinning pretty good.
looks like Kittenger still has the record for longest free-fall. from the clock on the screen his chute opened at aoub 4:19ish. Think Kittenger fell for 4:30ish.
AMAZING !!!!!
Record(s) broken .....
Highest manned balloon flight.
Highest manned jump.
Possibly hitting MACH (on the same day Yeager broke the MACH barrier in 1947)
but ....
Kittinger still holds the record for longest freefall time.
I'm on BAF so I got to watch it. That was frickin' amazing!!!
Next time it's a Wall Locker jump!! :p
Felix,
Well Done!!
Congrats on a safe jump.
MK262MOD1
10-14-2012, 12:34
Damn good jump. I watched the whole thing in the airport at SFO on YouTube.
I was in the same AO as the MtnGoat.
My heart stuttered when he got into that flat spin.
Damn nice to see. Now someone get that boy a sammich, lord knows he needs it to replace all those calories burned from just being a badass!! :D
Oldrotorhead
10-14-2012, 13:46
Amazing.
he was spinning pretty good.
looks like Kittenger still has the record for longest free-fall. from the clock on the screen his chute opened at aoub 4:19ish. Think Kittenger fell for 4:30ish.
Does it matter that Kittenger used a drogue chute? Either way both men are studs.
MK262MOD1
10-14-2012, 14:07
It doesn't matter. Ask any tandem master if they are in freefall.
Press conference is about to start. Same link.
http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/
Pat
Mach 1.24 (833.9 MPH)!
Pat
Congrats to him and a big thanks for the diversion from the ills of the world if only for a brief time. It's nice to have some feel good news for a change.
Missed it anyone got a YouTube link to the whole jump? I could not find the jump, only the sim.
Old Dog New Trick
10-14-2012, 16:08
Missed it anyone got a YouTube link to the whole jump? I could not find the jump, only the sim.
http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/
I haven't got to a place to watch. Hope this is what you're looking for.
Badger52
10-14-2012, 16:20
Mach 1.24 (833.9 MPH)!
PatNow that is whistlin' right along. I didn't care for seeing that flat spin on the FLIR either. Not sure if the right word; does anyone know approximately at what altitude he stabilised?
Fittingly BG Yeager went supersonic again today. October 14th seems to be the day for gettin' loud.
http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/
I haven't got to a place to watch. Hope this is what you're looking for.
Went there. They have posted the jump yet. They only have the propaganda.
Old Dog New Trick
10-14-2012, 16:49
Went there. They have posted the jump yet. They only have the propaganda.
Try this one.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=MrIxH6DToXQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DMrIxH6DToXQ
I'm on low bandwidth and can't look. But find links.
Let me know
Oldrotorhead
10-14-2012, 16:55
It doesn't matter. Ask any tandem master if they are in freefall.
I just asked a question. I didn't intend to insult anyone and I don't know what the people that confirm records have for rules. I admit I don't know anything about tandem jumps my last FF was in the late 1960s.
Missed it anyone got a YouTube link to the whole jump? I could not find the jump, only the sim.
Give this one a shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Oq2Xl7oiws&feature=youtu.be
Give this one a shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Oq2Xl7oiws&feature=youtu.be
That one worked.... Thanks All
MK262MOD1
10-14-2012, 23:05
I just asked a question. I didn't intend to insult anyone and I don't know what the people that confirm records have for rules. I admit I don't know anything about tandem jumps my last FF was in the late 1960s.
No insult perceived. Just a statement of fact :)
Oldrotorhead
10-15-2012, 08:45
Here is some helmet cam stated as from the last jump last jump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1E9AGhWC7c
This is the full jump from exit to landing (there is a short commercial in the middle): http://gizmodo.com/5951563/first-human-supersonic-space-jump-live-coverage
Pat
Stargazer
10-15-2012, 11:46
It was both tense and exciting to watch! Congratulations to Felix.. he is one crazy dude! :)
Team Sergeant
10-15-2012, 13:20
It was both tense and exciting to watch! Congratulations to Felix.. he is one crazy dude! :)
No he's not... he had millions of dollars and NASA behind his "daring feat".
Crazy is the guy that was the "first" to jump without a parachute (and live). (Yeah, some moron did it without a parachute and died.)
Stargazer
10-15-2012, 15:05
No he's not... he had millions of dollars and NASA behind his "daring feat".
Crazy is the guy that was the "first" to jump without a parachute (and live). (Yeah, some moron did it without a parachute and died.)
I didn't mean to come across as disrespectful to the feat that Mr. Baumgartner achieved. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words as I wasn't being literal. The team assembled to complete his stratosphere jump is an impressive group of professionals with a wealth of expertise. Nor would I minimize the time, money and energy invested. I heard that his suit is being looked at my NASA as a foundation for future spacesuit designs.
I knew Col. Kittinger (Ret.) set his own jumping record from a high altitude balloon, but am unfamiliar with the other incident mentioned.
Now THIS is the best footage of yesterday's jump .....
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/15/watch-felix-baumgartners-space-jump-reenacted-with-legos/
Some absolutely incredible footage.
:munchin
Now THIS is the best footage of yesterday's jump .....
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/10/15/watch-felix-baumgartners-space-jump-reenacted-with-legos/
Some absolutely incredible shoots.
:munchin
AWESOME! Well, except for the face-plant landing. :D
Pat
AWESOME! Well, except for the face-plant landing. :D
Pat
Hey, the winds were out of the East at 5 to 10 knots .... errrrr ..... outta the West .... errrr .... coming from the ridge ..... ;)
Utah Bob
10-15-2012, 16:53
Mach 1.24 (833.9 MPH)!
Pat
Big deal! I did that coming down the Brauneck on a pair of White Stars once.
Didn''t get credit for it though.
Felix made a better landing than I did. I'm surprised he could do a stand up with balls that big. Congrats!
And yes, I was drunk.:D
Big deal! I did that coming down the Brauneck on a pair of White Stars once.
Didn''t get credit for it though.
Felix made a better landing than I did. I'm surprised he could do a stand up with balls that big. Congrats!
And yes, I was drunk.:D
Then you may fall into the category "Probably, but not verified" with Locheed test pilot Bill Weaver. ;) He and his test engineer had an SR-71 break up around them at 78,000' and Mach 3.2, also over New Mexico. He survived but the rear seater didn't.
http://www.barthworks.com/aviation/sr71breakup.htm
I lived in the area and remember it well.
Pat
Team Sergeant
10-15-2012, 19:10
I didn't mean to come across as disrespectful to the feat that Mr. Baumgartner achieved. Perhaps it was a poor choice of words as I wasn't being literal. The team assembled to complete his stratosphere jump is an impressive group of professionals with a wealth of expertise. Nor would I minimize the time, money and energy invested. I heard that his suit is being looked at my NASA as a foundation for future spacesuit designs.
I knew Col. Kittinger (Ret.) set his own jumping record from a high altitude balloon, but am unfamiliar with the other incident mentioned.
You didn't come off as disrespectful, it was just that I did think the feat was that great, it's been done before decades ago. Jumping with no parachute and expecting to live IMO is much crazier!
XngZeRubicon
10-15-2012, 21:28
You didn't come off as disrespectful, it was just that I did think the feat was that great, it's been done before decades ago. Jumping with no parachute and expecting to live IMO is much crazier!
Good point, Team Sergeant. I admit I was wowed. But then I am an Air Force type. :D
The Reaper
10-15-2012, 21:32
Hey, the winds were out of the East at 5 to 10 knots .... errrrr ..... outta the West .... errrr .... coming from the ridge ..... ;)
Spoken like a true Air Force spotter.
I think he must have been the DZSO for a jump or two I was on as well.
TR
Probably the greatest 'jump' in the history of 'jumps'....:)
Mr. Baumgartner was a guest on this morning's episode of Late Night with Jimmy Fallon. The video of the interview is here (http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/video/felix-baumgartner-102212/1421607/). He had a HD camera on his suit and they showed a few seconds of his spin.
The footage will be part of a National Geographic special that will air by and by.
The Reaper
10-23-2012, 16:54
Probably the greatest 'jump' in the history of 'jumps'....:)
I don't know, did he kill anyone when he hit the ground?
IMHO, there are a lot of paratroopers from WWII who would disagree with you.
TR
I don't know, did he kill anyone when he hit the ground?
IMHO, there are a lot of paratroopers from WWII who would disagree with you.
TR
That's true.