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Should misrepresenting one's military service disqualify a candidate from elected office?
Yes, the person who misleads isn't fit for the post
No, not when the person clears up the details
Maybe, if it's relevant to the job
Don't know, it depends on the intent
VoteView Results
Yes, the person who misleads isn't fit for the post92%
No, not when the person clears up the details3%
Maybe, if it's relevant to the job3%
Don't know, it depends on the intent2%
Total Votes: 34,087
Fox Poll 5/21/2010
I would consider it a lack of integrity and that would not be acceptable trait. So my opinion would be that it should disqualify them.
Team Sergeant
05-21-2010, 19:50
Should misrepresenting one's military service disqualify a candidate from elected office?
Yes, the person who misleads isn't fit for the post
No, not when the person clears up the details
Maybe, if it's relevant to the job
Don't know, it depends on the intent
VoteView Results
Yes, the person who misleads isn't fit for the post92%
No, not when the person clears up the details3%
Maybe, if it's relevant to the job3%
Don't know, it depends on the intent2%
Total Votes: 34,087
Fox Poll 5/21/2010
Yes.
Peregrino
05-21-2010, 20:21
It's an integrity issue. Calling a politician a liar is belaboring the obvious; therefore, lying must be a qualifying characteristic. Obviously, (No snide comments about the logic chain!), in order to be a politician, one must be a liar. So - lying about one's military service is a (modern) pre-requisite to elected office. :munchin
Utah Bob
05-21-2010, 21:58
Is misrepresenting the same as misspeaking? Misplacing an occasional word? I get so confused....:rolleyes:
So what are the Dems going to do now? Dump or Defend?
BrainStorm
05-21-2010, 22:57
It's an integrity issue. Calling a politician a liar is belaboring the obvious; therefore, lying must be a qualifying characteristic. Obviously, (No snide comments about the logic chain!), in order to be a politician, one must be a liar. So - lying about one's military service is a (modern) pre-requisite to elected office. :munchin
Lying politician. But then I repeat myself.
However, lying about military service always has been and always should be over the line.
NousDefionsDoc
05-21-2010, 23:16
Yes, it's an integrity issue
What caused the housing crisis? The oncoming Social Security and Medicare crisis? Other problems too numerous to mention?
Lies.
A river of problems flows from a single character defect, albeit one shared by many.
Still worse, those who lie about their military service will surely be found out. So not only is the individual a liar, they are stupid about it.
We do not need to elect stupid liars, IMO.
greenberetTFS
05-22-2010, 06:38
YES,absolutely. ................:mad::mad::mad:
Big Teddy :munchin
Red Flag 1
05-22-2010, 09:11
Yes.....no question about it!
RF 1
Utah Bob
05-22-2010, 10:16
Well Duh!
Bordercop
05-24-2010, 08:17
The link: http://www.nationalreview.com/the-feed/55931/kathleen-parker-blumenthal-real-marines-dont-lie
Who knows what motivated Blumenthal to stretch his truth? Perhaps it was survivor’s guilt.
“There is nothing that binds Marines together like combat and, if you missed it, I can understand that he [Blumenthal] may have actually convinced himself he was there,” my brother wrote in an e-mail.
“But those who served in combat consider Marines who did not the same brothers, regardless. We are a team and those in the rear are just as important as those on the line.”
The deception, as always, is something else. Blumenthal had every right under the law to seek deferments. He had every right to be proud of his service during the Vietnam era. But he did not have the right to build personal equity on the borrowed suffering of others.
Had he gone to Vietnam, as he apparently thinks he should have, he would have learned that, and this: Real heroes never brag, and real Marines don’t lie.
Yes it should disqualify the POS.
Team Sergeant
05-24-2010, 10:26
It seems democrats possess no moral high ground and readily accept this sort of extremely disgusting behavior.
It amazes me when a sitting president can receive oral sex in the White House and lies straight faced to the entire world is caught and nothing is done. The second president to ever be impeached. I bet Chelsea Clinton is very proud of her father.
Now this scumbag Blumenthal lies to the world and is caught red-handed and the Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine thinks it's just fine.
Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal you are a true scumbag and a bottom feeder. It's time you run for president of the United States, seems you have what it takes for the job.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/24/blumenthal-apologizes-inaccurate-claims-vietnam-service/?test=latestnews
Still, the top official in charge of electing Democrats said Sunday the controversy won't mar his reputation.
Democratic National Committee Chairman Tim Kaine said Sunday that Blumental was wrong to say that he had served in the Vietnam War, but that he's a known and reliable official for Connecticut voters.
"The interesting thing about Connecticut ... pretty intimate state. People tend to know their political leaders. And Attorney General Blumenthal has served for a lengthy period of time, got a very strong track record on military and veterans issues, for example," Kaine told "Fox News Sunday."
How about claiming taking imaginary sniper fire in Bosnia...? :confused:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5hg4&feature=related
And so it goes...
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Dozer523
05-27-2010, 15:48
How about claiming taking imaginary sniper fire in Bosnia...? :confused:
Richard's $.02 :munchin It was real, you have the air-brushed version. check this out.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc&feature=related
Oh the humanity . . .
The link: http://apnews.myway.com//article/20100603/D9G40M0O0.html
Lawmaker seeks to correct error in military bio
Jun 3, 4:05 PM (ET)
By KEVIN FREKING
WASHINGTON (AP) - The staff of Republican Rep. Gary Miller of California has taken steps to correct biographical information that misstated his military service.
Miller went through Army boot camp in 1967 and then was honorably discharged for health reasons in his seventh week of service because he had ulcers as a child, according to an Army document provided by Miller's office.
However, several publications over the years have reported that Miller served in the Army in 1967-68, the peak of the Vietnam War. The official House website contains the correct information, and Miller's own congressional website doesn't mention his Army stint.
The error in Miller's biography was first reported this week by Harper's Magazine.
Senate candidate Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut came under criticism recently for saying in 2008 that he served in Vietnam. He had said he meant to say during the Vietnam period and that the error was unintentional.
The error about Miller's Army stint has appeared in such publications as the California Legislature handbook for 1997, the website Project Vote Smart, and various materials from Congressional Quarterly, including its Politics in America guide.
Miller's spokeswoman, Jessica Baker, said Wednesday that she had no idea how the incorrect time frame started getting into some articles about the congressman. She also said that staff cannot be expected to peruse thousands of potential outlets that could have the wrong information.
"It's not something he's ever campaigned on or inflated," Baker said.
Harper's reported that Miller stated for a book about the Army service of lawmakers, "It has been a tremendous honor to have served in the U.S. Army." The entry in "Once a Soldier ... Always a Soldier: Soldiers in the 111th Congress," published in 2009 by the Association of the U.S. Army, doesn't mention his seven-week stint but lists the period of service as 1967.
For the book Miller added: "The leadership skills which I experienced in the U.S. Army allow me to take the lead on issues which promote a stronger defense, provide for better pay and quality of life care for the uniformed services and their dependents, and full benefits for our nation's veterans."
Congress.org, a Congressional Quarterly product, said it updated Miller's biographical page after being contacted by the congressman's staff on Tuesday.
David Meyers, Congressional Quarterly's managing editor of member information and research, said the incorrect date for Miller's time in the Army has been used since Miller joined Congress in 1998. While Miller's staff would have been contacted at that time, follow-up checks concerning military service "wouldn't have been something for us to keep following up on," Meyers said.
Miller is competing in a primary election on June 8 against three GOP challengers. Baker said that the questions raised about his biographical information should be viewed in that context.
"He's been put on the record as saying 1967, but we can't control what other websites are going to say," Baker said.
Buffalobob
06-05-2010, 18:15
Does smoking dope on Dauphin Island count as military service?
alright4u
06-05-2010, 22:15
The link: http://www.nationalreview.com/the-feed/55931/kathleen-parker-blumenthal-real-marines-dont-lie
Who knows what motivated Blumenthal to stretch his truth? Perhaps it was survivor’s guilt.
“There is nothing that binds Marines together like combat and, if you missed it, I can understand that he [Blumenthal] may have actually convinced himself he was there,” my brother wrote in an e-mail.
“But those who served in combat consider Marines who did not the same brothers, regardless. We are a team and those in the rear are just as important as those on the line.”
The deception, as always, is something else. Blumenthal had every right under the law to seek deferments. He had every right to be proud of his service during the Vietnam era. But he did not have the right to build personal equity on the borrowed suffering of others.
Had he gone to Vietnam, as he apparently thinks he should have, he would have learned that, and this: Real heroes never brag, and real Marines don’t lie.
Yes it should disqualify the POS.
Agree. I had the pleasure of knowing a Marine legend in our IOAC in 72-73. Clovis C. ( Buck) Coffman was a force recon legend. Just a Navy Cross and 25-26 ribbons. I do not think Buck would like this man.
Now that the mid-term elections are nearing, Blumenthal's opponent just began airing this ad. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q1I9PrxtE4
Richard :munchin
Normally when politicians and other wannabes misrepresent their service it is to claim falsely that they received certain decorations or that they served in elite units. I feel that a person who would steal valor, would steal anything. I mean what won't they steal if they stoop so low as to steal valor? Fit for office--hell, they are not fit to remain in this country!
De Oppresso Liber!
It does matter. Same ad the Richard posted, but this is featured in the WP a well note dem rag.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/senate/linda-mcmahon-bets-on-vietnam.html
Normally when politicians and other wannabes misrepresent their service it is to claim falsely that they received certain decorations or that they served in elite units. I feel that a person who would steal valor, would steal anything. I mean what won't they steal if they stoop so low as to steal valor? Fit for office--hell, they are not fit to remain in this country!
De Oppresso Liber!
"I was never in the Army and you can't prove it."
WD
Utah Bob
10-04-2010, 18:35
To win the race, McMahon must find a way to undermine the aura of honesty and trustworthiness that surrounds Blumenthal.
Well, showing the clip of him lying is a pretty good start I'd say.
drymartini66
10-04-2010, 22:49
Normally when politicians and other wannabes misrepresent their service it is to claim falsely that they received certain decorations or that they served in elite units. I feel that a person who would steal valor, would steal anything. I mean what won't they steal if they stoop so low as to steal valor? Fit for office--hell, they are not fit to remain in this country!
De Oppresso Liber!
Disqualifier, Yes.:mad:
….especially if they lack the skillz necessary to create jobs…
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jkU3RSfDGE :D
Should misrepresenting one's military service disqualify a candidate from elected office???
John Kerry would say NO...
alright4u
10-06-2010, 20:36
Normally when politicians and other wannabes misrepresent their service it is to claim falsely that they received certain decorations or that they served in elite units. I feel that a person who would steal valor, would steal anything. I mean what won't they steal if they stoop so low as to steal valor? Fit for office--hell, they are not fit to remain in this country!
De Oppresso Liber!
Put me around murderers before thieves and liars.
Bump - Richard Blumenthal the liar was elected to the Senate and this letter appeared in today's New London news in his home state of Connecticut.
FYI - the uncle the writer mentions in the letter was 1LT Jan Ulmer who was killed in a mortar accident while serving with A-322 at Katum, RVN, on 18 Apr 1968.
Richard :munchin
Electing Blumenthal shows truth irrelevant
Gordon Ulmer III, Lyme
It is a sad state of affairs in Connecticut as of late.
My uncle was a multiple-tour Green Beret when he was killed in action in Vietnam in April 1968.
Regarding the U.S. Senate race in Connecticut, I find it appalling and disturbing that Richard Blumenthal was successful. All politics aside, his winning the election demonstrates that facts do not count and, therefore, the truth does not matter with voters.
It remains a sad state of affairs in Connecticut.
http://www.theday.com/article/20101105/OP02/311059909/1080/rss16