View Full Version : The game changing speech, listen closely
The full simulcast of the Russia parade can be viewed here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxPAdmlZCHI&feature=player_embedded#!
If you advance the time line to Approximately 15:30 you will begin viewing and listening to the speech by the Russian President Medvedev……imo, it is the most significant speech to date of any world leader, and heralds a change of consciousness in confronting, once again, a code of belief which left us with one choice ”conquer the enemy, or become slaves”. 16:48
1. The symbolism attached to this 65th anniversary is extremely important with regard to current world affairs.
2. It reunites the allied force which defeated Nazism; “an end was put to an ideology that was to destroying the foundation of western civilization”. 15:57
3. “we (collectively) march today in single rank”… “our common readiness to defend peace” 18:19
4. The comparison to then and now is overwhelming.
5. Commitment 19:12 - 19:52
incarcerated
05-09-2010, 13:37
Was that a 1973 Buick convertible?
Why does some of the music sound like what you hear at the bullfights in Tijuana?
Evidence of economic subterfuge and unfair trade practices: the Russians must be controlling the world market for white-walls.
If you advance the time line to Approximately 15:30 you will begin viewing and listening to the speech by the Russian President Medvedev……
5. Commitment 19:12 - 19:52
Translation:
“Western powers, please allow me to invoke the war dead of decades past and preach peace from my Red Square bully pulpit. Look the other way as we invade or subvert our Russian neighbors as we restore our national strength. The USSR saved the world, therefore, overlook our incursions into the sovereignty of former Soviet Republics as we install puppet regimes, and perhaps we will think about lending you some assistance in dealing with Iran. But I will have to ask Putin what exactly he will allow me to do in that regard.”
The Russians are continuing a fine European tradition…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vacfs9ySMX8&feature=related
...namely, the demonstration of national power. (They’re a little short on the Cult of Personality dimension…but give them time.)
Peregrino
05-09-2010, 14:40
(They’re a little short on the Cult of Personality dimension…but give them time.)
First you need a personality on which to found the cult. The Medvedev sock puppet has a ways to go before it acheives the iconic stature of historic cult leaders. (Nice translation BTW. Do you do that kind of thing for a living? :p)
incarcerated
05-09-2010, 15:02
(Nice translation BTW. Do you do that kind of thing for a living? :p)
Well, not exactly. I possess no language skills. However, I am well known at work as a sarcastic pain in the a**. :D
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-565421/The-Red-Army-marches--I-fear-futures-says-Peter-Hitchens.html
lots of good insight from actual russians, and russian military strategists. Russia, it seems, is not all it's cracked up to be.
Utah Bob
05-09-2010, 17:24
Cut to the chase. Where are our troops?:p
Found it! They are at 30:41, albeit briefly, between the Brits and the French.:rolleyes:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-565421/The-Red-Army-marches--I-fear-futures-says-Peter-Hitchens.html
lots of good insight from actual russians, and russian military strategists. Russia, it seems, is not all it's cracked up to be.
I think the writer ( who is not Russian ) needs to understand that it is a MILITARY Victory day...that is why there is soldiers and tanks on parade.
I have been following all these Russian threads lately because I am surrounded by it at home. For the wife and in-laws ( Russians) today is a pretty big deal. We get a few channels from Russia and parade rehearsals and WW2 movies have been on 24/7 about a week now.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-565421/The-Red-Army-marches--I-fear-futures-says-Peter-Hitchens.html
Excellent article. Thank you, Newbie.
If I understand the responses correctly, none of you agree with my interpretation of this speech, or its relationship to the confrontation with radical Islam; am I correct?
If I understand the responses correctly, none of you agree with my interpretation of this speech, or its relationship to the confrontation with radical Islam; am I correct?
I guess I don't see much action by Russia against Iran - or, for that matter, other radical Islamic states. It's difficult for me to see the speech as targeted against radical Islam when I see so little evidence of strong action elsewhere. But perhaps I'm missing something?
If I understand the responses correctly, none of you agree with my interpretation of this speech, or its relationship to the confrontation with radical Islam; am I correct?
I would have to know if this speech was proof read by Putin or not. I take everything Medvedev says with a grain of salt. I would like to see what happens in 2012 and if Putin decides to run again. There is still ALOT of love for Putin for your average Russian that remembers the turmoil of the 90's and how he united the country.
alright4u
05-10-2010, 01:12
The full simulcast of the Russia parade can be viewed here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxPAdmlZCHI&feature=player_embedded#!
If you advance the time line to Approximately 15:30 you will begin viewing and listening to the speech by the Russian President Medvedev……imo, it is the most significant speech to date of any world leader, and heralds a change of consciousness in confronting, once again, a code of belief which left us with one choice ”conquer the enemy, or become slaves”. 16:48
1. The symbolism attached to this 65th anniversary is extremely important with regard to current world affairs.
2. It reunites the allied force which defeated Nazism; “an end was put to an ideology that was to destroying the foundation of western civilization”. 15:57
3. “we (collectively) march today in single rank”… “our common readiness to defend peace” 18:19
4. The comparison to then and now is overwhelming.
5. Commitment 19:12 - 19:52
Damn sure looks like goose stepping to me.
Utah Bob
05-10-2010, 08:26
I guess I don't see much action by Russia against Iran - or, for that matter, other radical Islamic states. It's difficult for me to see the speech as targeted against radical Islam when I see so little evidence of strong action elsewhere. But perhaps I'm missing something?
They are only in opposition to Radical Islam when it concerns them, as in some of their recalcitrant republics. If Al Queda or Iranians started blowing up Moscow trains it would be different. But until then they'll only pay it lip service.
If I understand the responses correctly, none of you agree with my interpretation of this speech, or its relationship to the confrontation with radical Islam; am I correct?
Penn I think you might be right. Sure hope so. I think radical Islam is a greater threat to them than us and they know it. I think we have poked the bear with a stick a little too much in the past but hopefully we can put that behind us.
I have no hard evidence, but I see a developing trend among the former allies to realign themselves, as an action of realpolitik. The following leads me further down this path co-operation.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2010/0513/Leaked-Russian-document-Could-Medvedev-era-tilt-more-pro-West
Leaked Russian document: Could Medvedev era tilt more pro-West?
A leaked Russian document lays out a major reappraisal of the country's foreign policy priorities under President Medvedev. The confidential Foreign Ministry report calls on the Kremlin to abandon the prickly, go-it-alone approaches of the Vladimir Putin era.
incarcerated
05-14-2010, 09:39
Translation:
“Western powers, please allow me to invoke the war dead of decades past and preach peace from my Red Square bully pulpit. Look the other way as we invade or subvert our Russian neighbors as we restore our national strength.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/237945
Russian Payback
The democratic revolutions in former Soviet republics like Georgia and Ukraine terrified Moscow. Now the Kremlin is turning back the clock.
By Owen Matthews and Anna Nemtsova
Newsweek Web Exclusive
May 13, 2010
Half a decade after a series of "colored revolutions" toppled Moscow-backed rulers across the former Soviet Union and replaced them with pro-Western ones, the Kremlin seems to be finally getting its payback. Already this year Russia can count two scalps—Ukraine's Viktor Yushchenko and Kyrgyzstan's Kurmanbek Bakiyev, both ousted by challengers friendlier to Moscow. While it would be a stretch to say that Russia was the sole architect and puppet master of Ukraine's February presidential election and Kyrgyzstan's messy coup in April, the country certainly played a key role. It sheltered and supported Kyrgyz opposition leaders and made it clear to Ukrainian voters that a victory for Viktor Yanukovych would usher in a new era of cheap gas and increased trade. Moreover, this year's strategic victories have inspired the Kremlin to encourage further regime change in what Russians still call their "near abroad."
....Despite such mishaps, though, the Kremlin is sticking to its strategy: to befriend and empower groups that oppose Moscow's enemies. Belarus's mercurial President Alexander Lukashenko could soon be on the Kremlin's target list after demanding rent for Russian military bases and sheltering the ousted Kyrgyz president. "Russia is terribly tired of Lukashenko and is looking for a decent leader to replace him," says Igor Bunin of Moscow's Center of Political Technologies. Moscow's candidate of choice could well be Andrei Sannikov, a veteran Belarussian opposition leader who is not too close to the West and has declared that he is "ready to embrace Russian help if it comes from the right people." Lukashenko, he says, "has been scared lately after he saw how Russia can support a revolution in former Soviet countries."
The silver lining in Russia's new strategy is that it could actually mark an end of Putin-era bullying tactics and the beginning of something more approaching real diplomacy. Instead of invading—as it did with Georgia in 2008—or cutting off gas supplies, as it has done to Ukraine in the past, the Kremlin is starting to cultivate relationships with regional opposition leaders not just on Russia's terms but on the basis of mutual interest. "We have been telling the Kremlin that if they do not stop treating neighbors like enemies, somebody else will come and win their hearts," says Alexei Malashenko of the Moscow Carnegie Center. "Moscow's new approach means, I hope, that they will start listening to different opinions with more respect." That may not sound as dramatic as orchestrating revolutions. But it could be the start of making the post-Soviet space a community, rather than a battleground.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/13/inside-the-ring-86422687/
The recent crash of a Polish military transport that killed most of Warsaw's senior civilian and military leaders was not only a human catastrophe for a key U.S. ally. NATO sources said that, in addition to the loss of nearly 100 pro-U.S. Polish leaders, the crash provided Moscow with a windfall of secrets.
The crash killed Polish President Lech Kaczynski in western Russia on April 10 and decapitated Poland's military, killing two service chiefs, key military aides and several national security officials, many of whom were carrying computers and pocket memory sticks that contained sensitive NATO data.
Perhaps the most significant compromise, according to a NATO intelligence source, is that the Russians are suspected of obtaining ultrasecret codes used by NATO militaries for secure satellite communications.
The compromise of the codes is considered what electronic spies call a "break" for Moscow code-breakers. New NATO codes almost certainly were issued to allied militaries immediately after the crash.
But if the Russian electronic intelligence service, known as the Federal Agency of Government Communications and Information, was able to recover and use the communication key code from the wreckage, electronic spies will be able to decode months' or perhaps years' worth of scrambled communications that are routinely gathered electronically for just such an occasion.
The coded communications, if decrypted, would reveal some of NATO's most intimate secrets, such as plans for defenses and even the identities of agents or allied eavesdropping sources.
Other Polish and NATO secrets also were believed to be aboard the jet, and so far Russia's government is refusing to cooperate fully with Poland's government in providing details on the cause of the crash, or even to turn over the Polish jet's black boxes.
Additionally, Poland's interim government has not pressed the Russians for answers to questions about the crash, such as why Russian aviation authorities, without any investigation, ruled that pilot error caused the crash minutes after the jet crashed short of the runway in fog at Russia's Smolensk airport. Polish security and aviation authorities also were denied access to the crash site.