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Utah Bob
02-25-2010, 09:02
I was watching a game show the other night and an E5 was a contestant. He was wearing the new blue ASU.
I read the new regs and other than the the CSIB, am I correct in assuming that there is no unit designation on the uniform? A trooper from the 13th Latrine Maintenance Bn. would be indistinguishable from one from the 1st Cav?
So my box full of colored shoulder patches will become very valuable as collectors items?:p
Tatonka316
02-25-2010, 09:45
I am not sure, but I think you are right. But, I can tell you that at COL Howard's funeral, there were a significant number of MACV and/or SOG warriors who I heard comment how wearing a Green Beret with the new "Class A's" JUST DID NOT LOOK RIGHT!!! And a young 5th SFG (A) warrior looked over and nodded his head "YES!!!":confused:
molon labe:lifter
Masochist
02-25-2010, 09:51
I read the new regs and other than the the CSIB, am I correct in assuming that there is no unit designation on the uniform?
Utah Bob,
You're correct in your assumption. In deciding to further make all soldiers the same (much like the black beret), the Army has stripped the SSI. The CSIB has been added to the front, along with tabs such as Ranger, Sapper, SF, etc.. IMHO, more clutter and bling up front instead of leaving well-enough alone.
Casually speaking with hundreds of soldiers about it since its inception, I have yet to find someone who is happy with this idea. YMMV
http://www.army.mil/asu/
http://www.army.mil/asu/
I get sick every time I look at this abomination.. :(:mad::(:mad:
Joe_Snuffy
02-25-2010, 11:03
I get sick every time I look at this abomination.. :(:mad::(:mad:
Amen. For the life of me I can't understand what's wrong with the Dress Green Uniforms. I wonder who is making the money off of this change.
Masochist
02-25-2010, 11:07
The new ASU looks like a tragic collision between a junior ROTC cadet, a Disney security guard and Kim Jong Il.
- Army Times user "mosby"
SOURCE: http://www.armytimes.com/community/opinion/army_opinion_forums_092908/
Reminds me of the time I was passing through the Atlanta airport and encountered a group of kay-dets from one of those ersatz military academies.
Richard
If it makes you feel better, the AF ABUs are the same, no unit patches. We sure don't want to enhance unit morale by doing something as simple as this do we????
Masochist
02-25-2010, 12:02
If it makes you feel better, the AF ABUs are the same, no unit patches.
As my mom used to say, two wrongs don't make a right. :cool:
Reminds me of the time I was passing through the Atlanta airport and encountered a group of kay-dets from one of those ersatz military academies.
Richard,,
Is that kid like the Sergeant Major of the Universe??
Bill Murray didn't have that many stripes..
:eek::eek:
The parasol is missing :eek:
Utah Bob
02-25-2010, 12:57
If it makes you feel better, the AF ABUs are the same, no unit patches. We sure don't want to enhance unit morale by doing something as simple as this do we????
I never understood why the AF did away with SSI. I guess they didn't want to look like the Army after they split.
of course the Marines have no SSI on their blues either. I guess I'm just too much of a dinosaur to think of an army dress uniform with no shoulder patch is a good thing.
I've read the threads regarding the change and no one seems to know what logic prompted it.
I guess it's not a huge deal seeing as how the dress uniform doesn't seem to be worn much anymore (and if that's the case, one wonders what prompted the change?)
Being a civilian I have no dog in the fight. I do still have my old Greens and even the dress blues from mi youth. The greens will be my burial duds.
As you can see, I'm shocked I still have em.:D
the squid
03-01-2010, 14:18
I commission in a few months, I just bought my ASU's.
I'm brand new to the game, but to me, Class A's with bloused jump boots rivaled the Marine's dress blues.
ZonieDiver
03-01-2010, 14:27
I comission in a few months, I just bought my ASU's.
I'm brand new to the game, but to me, Class A's with bloused jump boots rivaled the Marine's dress blues.
Rivaled??? I am NOT unbiased in this, but... Class A's with bloused jump boots and a green beret WAS the best dress uniform ever. (The only uniform that came close was TW's with same!) Marine dress blues are great - for the doorman at the Hyatt! :D
the squid
03-01-2010, 14:38
Rivaled??? I am NOT unbiased in this, but... Class A's with bloused jump boots and a green beret WAS the best dress uniform ever. (The only uniform that came close was TW's with same!) Marine dress blues are great - for the doorman at the Hyatt! :D
Sir, I am so green that I did not even know what TW's were until I googled them.
Khakis?
The Reaper
03-01-2010, 14:49
Sir, I am so green that I did not even know what TW's were until I googled them.
Khakis?
Tropical Worsteds, AKA, the Army Tan Uniform.
TR
ZonieDiver
03-01-2010, 14:51
Sir, I am so green that I did not even know what TW's were until I googled them.
Khakis?
Tropical Worsted... a "permanent press" version of Khakis. Khakis were great - until you sat down for a while - riding a bus, airplane, etc. Breaking starch on a heavily starched set of khakis was wonderful - as long as you walked and stood! :D
............I guess it's not a huge deal seeing as how the dress uniform doesn't seem to be worn much anymore (and if that's the case, one wonders what prompted the change?)..................
You are correct in this statement which makes for a bigger problem.
Why change a uniform that costs a good amount to replace that isn't worn much?
I've yet to see a person say they like them. I have a few guys that bought them and say that the damn things are just too damn bufugly.
I am unsure of the prices on the accoutrements for you racked and stacked fellas, but hell, that's what pro-pay is for.
Some of us only have a few things, and they are transferable.:D
I was in the 25th ID(L) when the black beret was required for wear. We just got (like 2 weeks prior) the authority to wear the boonie cap in BDU's. For a pasty kid, there was nothing better. I got my rearend chewed since I was the common head size as it seemed and there was a shortage in my size. This was no fun as a young SGT running around an Infantry Bn. with improper equipment. I finally got mine 3 weeks later and was relieved to not be berated, questioned and smoked. :D
Dozer523
03-01-2010, 16:23
Reminds me of the time I was passing through the Atlanta airport and encountered a group of kay-dets from one of those ersatz military academies.
Richard I don't think bad-mouthing that kid is wise. . . he's probably ruling a sub-Sahara nation or planning the coup TW's I got to wear them over on the plane to FRG and stand my first battalion picture in them before they went to the great closet in the sky.
I would think because we are a nation at war, that the duty uniform of the day would be battle dress.
Reasons for class A's would be, (in no particular order),
Taking the Col's wife to the movies,
dinner with the SGM's daughter,
the occasional promotion board review,
school graduation(s),
or a Delta, TWA, United, Southwest flight.
Well, at least the navy decided not to bring back those grey uniforms that FADM King liked so much....<<LINK (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=888&dat=19440621&id=aWc1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=004DAAAAIBAJ&pg=7062,2695260)>>
DevilSide
03-01-2010, 18:58
Green has been the traditional color on Army uniforms for a while last I checked. Someone up top spun the wheel and Murphy picked blue, when will the uniform crisis end eh? First the ACU now everything in the Army is "crossing into the blue".
Green has been the traditional color on Army uniforms for a while last I checked. Someone up top spun the wheel and Murphy picked blue, when will the uniform crisis end eh? First the ACU now everything in the Army is "crossing into the blue".
Okay.
Well, at least the navy decided not to bring back those grey uniforms that FADM King liked so much...
This one?
The USN grey unifrom amongst traditional khaki work uniforms.
Admiral of the Fleet King in grey uniform.
Richard
Joe_Snuffy
03-02-2010, 06:58
I got to say, that old khaki uniform looks a thousand times better than wearing camouflage around post. I've had this conversation several times with people high and low and most (a few of the greener Soldiers I've talked too are more on the fence about it or just don't care, but then again they didn't have to give up a functional uniform to wear this new one) agree that wearing ACUs around post for Garrison Duty or Off-Post errands hardly promotes a professional image.
Personally I'd love to see a return of a uniform like the Khakis (or some other similar uniform) for Garrison Duty and leave the camouflage in the field. It give the Army it's professional appearance back and instill some lost pride back into it's soul. It doesn't need to be as high brass and polish as the Class A's/Dress Blues or even have the ribbons. Name, rank and unit would more than suffice, and it could still have that crisp starched look that most of us miss seeing.
Then again, who wants to ask the actual Soldiers what they think?
Trip_Wire (RIP)
03-02-2010, 13:55
When I joined the US Army, we were issued WW II OD uniforms, boots and shoes. The majority of my active duty time I wore these uniforms. I then spent time in the Air Force Reserve and Air NG, wearing the AF uniforms.
When I came back to the Army in 1961 to get back on jump status and join the Special Forces Reserve I was issued the currant 'Green' Class A's.
Most of my time on active duty 1947 — 1953 the wearing of Civilian clothes were NOT authorized. Nor were fatigues, off post.
Uniform regulations were such, that a Class A uniform was to be worn off post and while traveling, etc.
All of time in the AF and Army the fatigues and/or battle dress uniforms were not authorized off post or in travel, etc. One could wear civilian cloths, except when traveling on orders, etc.
So, given that background, I'm a little biased.
I just don't like to see the currant way things are done now days! I dislike seeing people running around off post, traveling and even attending social events off post in ACUs, etc.
I like the switch to the Blue uniform to replace the' Greens.' I have some issues with the Class B Blue uniforms; however I think this will sort itself out in time.
IMO, the Head-shed should take a very close look at the currant uniform wear regulations and see if they can't make soldiers who are not on the battle field or in the field look like soldiers who are proud of the Service, Regiment, etc.
Just my .02 Cents!
MatthewD44
03-02-2010, 20:41
I'm with you on that TripWire... It really bothers me to see our local Army recruiters in their dang ACU's at school and then have the Marine Corp recruiter come in wearing his A's... doesn't seem to set much of a professional image that needs to be projected IMO
the squid
03-03-2010, 09:52
Okay.
From seeing a Changing of the Guard ceremony conducted in DC, I would say that those guys looked sharp in their Blues.
(Correct me if I'm wrong), but I think the only differences between the Blues and the new ASU's are the SSI-FWTS's worn on the breast pocket for the ASU's and smaller service stripes, and maybe a few others.
I think that if the Army were smart about trying to sell the ASU's they would gotten some guys from Ranger Batt to model it.
Martinjmpr
03-03-2010, 11:21
I think the SSI's days are numbered and it's very unfortunate. SSIs have been a distinctive and unique part of the US Army uniform since WW1 and have always set us apart from the other services.
But now that the new ASU has done away with SSIs entirely and on ACUs they are stuck on with velcro, I think sooner or later the Army is going to decide they're not worth the trouble.
Don't even get me started on the ASU. All I can say is I'm glad I retired with the dress greens. I was never a fan of the Army dress blues (and while I undestand the historical significance of the light blue pants/dark blue jacket thing, it still looksr awkward and goofy.) The only unit that ever made the blues look good was the Old Guard and that's because they wear it with a belt. Without a belted jacket the blues just look lame.
I really never could figure out why the Army uniform board couldn't just "let well enough alone." Almost everyone acknowledges that the Marines have the best looking dress uniforms (both their blues and their greens) and those uniforms have been virtually unchanged since the early part of the 20th century.
Utah Bob
03-03-2010, 19:03
Almost everyone acknowledges that the Marines have the best looking dress uniforms (both their blues and their greens) and those uniforms have been virtually unchanged since the early part of the 20th century.
Alomst everyone? You're kiddng right?? :eek: Those horseblanket greens? Puleeeeeze!
They are so ugly they almost counteract the splendiferousness of the Blues.
Utah Bob
03-03-2010, 19:05
Class A's with bloused jump boots and a green beret WAS the best dress uniform ever. :D
No argument here.
:lifter
This one?
The USN grey unifrom amongst traditional khaki work uniforms.
Admiral of the Fleet King in grey uniform.
RichardYes.
When I first read about these uniforms and FADM King's attachment to them, I could not help but to wonder if that great man had fallen back into some of his pre-war habits.