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Claemore
01-23-2010, 15:22
The Revolutionary Holocaust, the Glenn Beck special? On Youtube, it is a five part series. Well done. I think that as usual Mr. Beck over dramatizes the issue, but brings up history that is overlooked in our school systems.
HowardCohodas
01-23-2010, 15:26
The Revolutionary Holocaust, the Glenn Beck special? On Youtube, it is a five part series. Well done. I think that as usual Mr. Beck over dramatizes the issue, but brings up history that is overlooked in our school systems.
Glenn is beyond my comfort level in being theatrical for a presentation. Non-the-less, I watch or record his show daily. :)
I did, it was a re-cap of my High School World History class. I was disappointed that Beck didn't mention the Irish Potato Famine.
He is correct though in that most don't know enough about history, especially imo those born into the touchy feely, PC system.
Beck may be painting King O with too broad a stroke, but I think it is far to say that he is correct that if you accept, discount or embrace jovial chaps like Mao, Stalin, etc we are likely to travel that course.
Goggles Pizano
01-24-2010, 07:44
I watched it and agree it was nothing I have not studied before. Some additional information about Che was new for me, but I wish Beck would have spent more time juxtaposing historical fact with the liberal/progressive agenda. Also, spent too little time on Mao although he (Beck) did point out Administration officials lovefest with him.
Warrior-Mentor
01-24-2010, 09:58
PROMO LINKS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e_OFwtJMRY
http://www.youtube.com/user/GlennBeckVideos#p/u/0/ro5LCv__gmg
Looking for a link to the actual video?
FULL VIDEO HERE:
PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ8PLwHK6eA
PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw7DtjO4V6c
PART 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XLKNUJzMQ
PART 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMPWIqHli00
PART 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzWLkzcnwp4
HowardCohodas
01-24-2010, 10:00
For those of you who think you knew all this stuff before, I congratulate you. Most of the "well educated" young people I talk with today are ignorant of these facts.
Warrior-Mentor
01-24-2010, 10:38
One of the narrators, Jonah Goldberg, is the author of "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning"
Another one of the many books on my nightstand awaiting attention...
GET IT HERE:
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264351022&sr=8-1
For those of you who think you knew all this stuff before, I congratulate you. Most of the "well educated" young people I talk with today are ignorant of these facts.
I can thank the scary Mr. Dawson, History teacher, hardcore communist hater and extremely knowledgeable about nuclear devices and there effects. The only book we read in class was On the Beach by Nevil Shute. The standard curriculum book he briefly opened, then he literally cast it to the side and he explained that they were watered down version of the facts. From that point everything he did was off the cuff so to speak.
So we pretty much sit in class and listened to him speak, read from other references and look at charts and info be brought back from the Titain II project. Test were about Communism and nuclear war.
Today he would probably be considered a fear mongering, right wing propagandist.
There was also the sometimes tearful Frau Franke, a tiny Jewish lady who taught more than the standard German Language class.
Claemore
01-24-2010, 12:58
I can thank the scary Mr. Dawson, History teacher, hardcore communist hater and extremely knowledgeable about nuclear devices and there effects. The only book we read in class was On the Beach by Nevil Shute. The standard curriculum book he briefly opened, then he literally cast it to the side and he explained that they were watered down version of the facts. From that point everything he did was off the cuff so to speak.
So we pretty much sit in class and listened to him speak, read from other references and look at charts and info be brought back from the Titain II project. Test were about Communism and nuclear war.
Today he would probably be considered a fear mongering, right wing propagandist.
There was also the sometimes tearful Frau Franke, a tiny Jewish lady who taught more than the standard German Language class.
You were lucky. Even in 80s Wyoming we were going down the Propaganda path. Not once did I get a history teacher who was either enthusiastic, or willing to dispense with said propaganda. I made my kids watch it, and while they were unwilling at first, they came around, even asking questions.
Claemore
01-24-2010, 13:08
One of the narrators, Jonah Goldberg, is the author of "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning"
Another one of the many books on my nightstand awaiting attention...
GET IT HERE:
http://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fascism-American-Mussolini-Politics/dp/0385511841/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264351022&sr=8-1
I just joined the group, Warrior Mentor, thanks for the link!
YGBSM - this piece of historically shallow and inaccurate, politicized 'tripe' does exactly the same thing as what Mr Beck claims to be countering - I don't know where he received his self-proclaimed 'education' but he would not have received a passing grade where I went to school - I want back the five minutes of my life wasted on watching as much of this 'pap' as I could stand. :mad:
Richard
YGBSM - this piece of historically shallow and inaccurate, politicized 'tripe' does exactly the same thing as what Mr Beck claims to be countering - I don't know where he received his self-proclaimed 'education' but he would not have received a passing grade where I went to school - I want back the five minutes of my life wasted on watching as much of this 'pap' as I could stand. :mad:
Richard
I must admit the presentation was a bit rushed and only hit some high marks, but I don't believe you are arguing his facts into the killing in tens of millions these quaint chaps produced.
So please explain if you would Sir I would appreciate it.
So please explain if you would Sir I would appreciate it.
I only watched about the first five minutes and quit because I could see where it was heading as the narrative language sought to infer that:
Progressive = 'left' = 'Democrat' = bad (remember that Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive - http://www.ehow.com/about_5133172_definition-progressive-politics.html)
It is a negative to understand the context within which a Mao, Che, and Stalin might exist and to do so is to 'worship' them as 'icons of the left'
Ronald Reagan - the icon of the modern conservative movement - was for a smaller federal government (yet he greatly expanded both the government and its power during his administration)
Nazism was merely socialism ( a 'leftist' concept by inference) vice 'national' socialism (a much different animal although it entailed some aspects of most socialist movements as we understand them today)
We are taught genocidal dictators only come from the political right (I wasn't) vice far or ultra right and left (I was taught the concept that the political spectrum was circular rather than linear and the extremes of either professed movement actually met on the back side of the circle, exhibiting nearly identical behaviors in spite of their labeling).
But, at that point of Mr Beck's (and Goldberg's) 'lesson' - I lost interest and closed the program.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
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Progressive = 'left' = 'Democrat' = bad (remember that Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive - .......
A progressive is a left wing moonbat fluttering around gasping at every lib straw they can find while wearing Che loves Me T-shirts.
They changed their name to the Kinder & Gentler "progressive" after a bunch of focus groups said "Lib" was a bad word.
It fools those not paying attention.
I only watched about the first five minutes and quit because I could see where it was heading as the narrative language sought to infer that:
Progressive = 'left' = 'Democrat' = bad (remember that Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive - http://www.ehow.com/about_5133172_definition-progressive-politics.html)
It is a negative to understand the context within which a Mao, Che, and Stalin might exist and to do so is to 'worship' them as 'icons of the left'
Ronald Reagan - the icon of the modern conservative movement - was for a smaller federal government (yet he greatly expanded both the government and its power during his administration)
Nazism was merely socialism ( a 'leftist' concept by inference) vice 'national' socialism (a much different animal although it entailed some aspects of most socialist movements as we understand them today)
We are taught genocidal dictators only come from the political right (I wasn't) vice far or ultra right and left (I was taught the concept that the political spectrum was circular rather than linear and the extremes of either professed movement actually met on the back side of the circle, exhibiting nearly identical behaviors in spite of their labeling).
But, at that point of Mr Beck's (and Goldberg's) 'lesson' - I lost interest and closed the program.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Yeah TR was a progressive...which reminds of something I need to change.
And Yes the radicals from either side of the spectrum tend to met up on the backside as you say... Fred Phelps and Code Pink for example, that portion of the show I blew off because there are bad people across the spectrum.
I think you would agree you cannot do the subject justice in 30 to 60 minutes and Beck did himself a disservice trying to do do.
Regardless I agree with Beck that the deeds of Mao, Che, Castro and Stalin have been marginalized. Some wear them with pride on their T-Shirts and we accept it. Hell, King Zero had a Che poster up in one of his offices and the Mao ornament on the tree........seen any Hitler posters or ornaments lately? Nope, not even on Ebay! But you can find plenty items celebrating Che, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Stalin and Lenin which puzzle me because Hitler is no worse than the rest of them. I found a Robert Byrd T-Shirt but none of David Duke.
That is messed up IMO, you shouldn't find any of them!
I believe King O has put quite a few people in places of power that admire Mao, Che and Stalin, and that would have no issue modeling the US in their likeness....I tend to believe it is their dream.
Beck's point, if you marginalize these evil people you put yourself at risk. It is no different than marginalizing the corner crack dealer to your kids.
Yeah [Theodore Roosevelt] was a progressive....As were Wilson, Hoover, and FDR.
Moreover, military and naval historians point to the progressive movement as the foundation for much needed reforms in the army and navy after the Spanish-American War.
Hell, [the president] had ... the Mao ornament on the [White House Christmas] tree....To clarify, the ornament was made from a portrait of Mao done by Andy Warhol. From my reading of commentary on that portrait (http://www.artic.edu/artaccess/AA_Modern/pages/MOD_9.shtml), Warhol was hardly celebrating Mao. (Then again, he was not exactly celebrating modern American politics either.) The broader point here is that I think the message of that ornament is a bit more open-ended than many have concluded.
My own opinion is that, given the controversy surrounding Mao and the number of criticisms the president has received for being a communist, the fact that the ornament made it to the tree at all is yet more proof that amateur hour continues at the White House.
Then again, given my view of the president's intellect (I think he's excruciatingly stupid), I would not at all be surprised if he thought the irony of the ornament would be a "funny" way to thumb his nose at many American citizens.:rolleyes:
That is messed up IMO, you shouldn't find any of them!Your point raises a key question. Should free speech be limited because we find examples odious?:confused:
Your point raises a key question. Should free speech be limited because we find examples odious?:confused:
After posting I found myself pondering that as well. As much I hate to say it, no you cannot limit freedom of speech no matter how foul it appears. It is a really dicey issue in that you would merely be eliminating one problem for another.
Actually, my daughter and I had that conversation last year. She wanted a Che Tee , Che looked 'Hot' and 'it is only a T-Shirt Dad'.
So I asked my daughter if she who Che was, she answered ' he's the guy with the Beanie and Goatee on the T-Shirts'. Yes, but what did Che do? She said/asked 'Wasn't he a President, Soldier or something....I dunno'.
I told her to read up on him, she did and she changed her mind on the T-shirt.
My daughter also had a teacher that year who preached that Obama was going to save the world and change the USA.....REALLY??? 1. Ask your teacher when Obama become President of the World. 2. Ask her how Obama can make any changes without first going through the House and the Senate?
End result, she pissed the teacher off.
So maybe the solution is providing a thorough and better balance of education, and maybe re-runs School House Rock.
HowardCohodas
01-24-2010, 22:27
In China, even in Beijing, the amount of Mao paraphernalia one can find everywhere is astonishing... t-shirts, alarm clocks, posters, hats, etc
Local Chinese know how to make a buck. They see the demand, especially to mindless tourists. Mao'd be rolling in his grave, if he had one.
Ah, blessed capitalism...:D
Making choices based on ignorance is not reserved to <put in your own ists>.
If my daughter ever asks for a Che T-Shirt, this will be the one I get her:
http://www.thoseshirts.com/checap.html :D
RE Post #21 - ASTOUNDING (insert shaking head smiley here).
Richard
Warrior-Mentor
01-25-2010, 06:59
If my daughter ever asks for a Che T-Shirt, this will be the one I get her:
http://www.thoseshirts.com/checap.html :D
I'd go this way:
http://www.thoseshirts.com/lousy.html
But I share your sentiment.
Entire post.Broadsword2004--
I think familiarizing yourself with corporatism might help your analysis of the Nazi dictatorship's political economy.
HTH.
I think familiarizing yourself with corporatism might help your analysis of the Nazi dictatorship's political economy.
Ditto with Imperial Germany, Bismarck, the Industrial Revolution, and socialism.
Richard
Utah Bob
01-25-2010, 19:15
Beck is not on my Christmas card list.
That's all I'm sayin.:rolleyes:
It is a good book, also read the books by John Taylor Gatto on the history of American education, it kind of ties into this stuff.
Yes, Gatto explains where this educational system (indoctrination system) originated from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ogCc8ObiwQ
Claemore
01-27-2010, 15:19
What I liked about the show is this: it provided facts about parts of history that I wasn't taught. I can see why liberals get pissed off about Beck, Ann Coulter, etc. Why liberals get pissed off about me. Unfortunately I know a few more than I like. Because facts are presented and then aimed at people that are either liberal, or someone that liberals admire. These days, yes, liberals do, no one can deny it, popularize, admire, fondle, cover for, whatever scumbags like Che, Mao, Obama, er I mean Osama.
Liberals do not like to be wrong, but frequently are. They like to think of themselves as "intellectuals", but are usually devoid of life experience. If they do have life experience, then in a lot of cases they are in leadership positions, or in those positions that require them to hand out the kool aid.
[Liberals] like to think of themselves as "intellectuals", but are usually devoid of life experience. If they do have life experience, then in a lot of cases they are in leadership positions, or in those positions that require them to hand out the kool aid.IMO, the two sensibilities described in this comment are sides of the same coin. Both are overly broad generalizations used to dismiss out of hand the views, opinions, and experiences of those who have the temerity to disagree with each other.
YMMV.
Claemore
01-27-2010, 17:57
IMO, the two sensibilities described in this comment are sides of the same coin. Both are overly broad generalizations used to dismiss out of hand the views, opinions, and experiences of those who have the temerity to disagree with each other.
YMMV.
The way I set the comment up, yes. I do believe that "liberals" consider themselves "intellectuals", in terms of those that are not sitting on welfare, watching the hell out of Jerry Springer, and what have you. The ones that do have the criminal background, are on welfare, are cranking out babies, they are the admitted clueless and will continue voting with emotion instead of reason.
The way I set the comment up, yes. I do believe that "liberals" consider themselves "intellectuals", in terms of those that are not sitting on welfare, watching the hell out of Jerry Springer, and what have you. The ones that do have the criminal background, are on welfare, are cranking out babies, they are the admitted clueless and will continue voting with emotion instead of reason.
Your eyes are obviously brown - you should be quiet for awhile now.
Richard
HowardCohodas
01-27-2010, 19:58
Simply, he comes from a different place and has a different point of view. So, like Sigaba, I caution making such generalizations. They often do more harm than good.
However, YMMV.
Will
Is this an "anti-profiling" argument in disguise? ;)