View Full Version : 4 Killed, 9 Others Shot at Pittsburgh-Area Gym
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,537004,00.html
BRIDGEVILLE, Pa. — Investigators were trying to piece together the motive of a gunman who walked into an exercise class in suburban Pittsburgh and fired dozens of shots, killing three women and himself and injuring nine other women, authorities said.
Two women and the man believed to be the shooter died at the scene Tuesday night and another woman died on the way to a hospital, Allegheny County police Superintendent Charles Moffatt said at a news conference in the parking lot of the LA Fitness center in Collier Township early Wednesday.
Moffatt said police were not sure who the target of the shooting was but that the gunman went into the health club planning to shoot several people — firing "multiple" weapons "indiscriminately," Moffatt said — and did not say anything before unleashing a burst of bullets.
"He walked right into the room where the shootings occurred as if he knew exactly where he was going," Moffatt said.
The violence rocked Collier, a bedroom community of about 5,300 residents near Interstate 79, some eight miles southwest of downtown Pittsburgh.
Moffatt said the gunman was a member of the health club and had identification but that police needed to check fingerprints and speak to his family to confirm his identity. The Allegheny County Medical Examiner said three of the four victims had been positively identified early Wednesday, but their names would likely not be released before midmorning.
Moffatt said police recovered at least two guns from the scene and that a note was found in the shooter's duffel bag, but he would not say whether the shooter had written it.
"I don't think anyone could have stopped him," Moffatt said.
Five victims arrived in critical condition at UPMC Mercy Hospital, but three were upgraded to serious condition by early Wednesday. Two women remained in fair condition at Allegheny General Hospital, hospital officials said. Two female victims were in stable condition at St. Clair Hospital, spokesman Rich Sieber said Tuesday, but their conditions were not immediately available Wednesday.
By early Wednesday, Moffatt said two victims remained critical, two others were in surgery and two had reportedly been treated and released, with the others still hospitalized. Moffatt said police know the names of the wounded women, but aren't releasing them immediately, and he couldn't specify which victims were in which hospital.
Joann Gazzam, who was taking part in the weekly "Latin impact" dance aerobics class, saw the gunman walk to the back of the room near some weights, set down a bag and fumble with it for a few minutes before coming up with what appeared to be two guns and opening fire, according to her sister, Debi Wozniak, of suburban Dormont.
Gazzam told Wozniak that the instructor was among those who appeared to have been shot, and that the gunman had killed himself.
"She told me, 'Debi, I seen everything. Oh, my God, I seen everything. I seen him pull out the guns,"' said Wozniak, who usually attends the class but was running late Tuesday and didn't make it.
The gunman walked in the room, turned off the lights and, at first nobody knew what was happening, said Stacey Falk, 26, of Bridgeville, who was in the class.
"All of us girls were just ducking behind each other and it was just, you know, I was behind a girl, one of the girls in front to get hit, and when he was in the opposite corner shooting, I booked it," she told WPXI-TV.
Loretta Moss, 44, of McDonald, said she was exercising on a treadmill when she heard a popping noise.
"I didn't pay any attention, and the next minute, people were screaming," said Moss, who had come to the gym Tuesday night for the first time in a couple of weeks. She said she then heard more pops.
"There was like a whole spray of them. I'd say about 15 altogether, and then people started screaming and yelling and started running out the building," she said.
"We laid down, and then after the last set of ... gunshots, we got up, and someone said run."
Moss said she then saw two young women bleeding, one shot in the leg and one in the shoulder. She said she checked on the pulse of the lady shot in the leg.
"She was screaming, 'It's burning, just please call the ambulance,"' Moss said.
Richard Walker of Tulsa, Okla., who is in the area working on oil rigs, was playing basketball near the exercise room when he heard shots.
"The next thing I know, everybody's going, 'Run, run,"' he said. He said heard about 12 shots before he started moving and another eight or nine as he was leaving the building. He led a woman who had been shot in the thigh outside the building about 50 yards.
"She just kept saying, 'He's gonna kill me."' Walker said she didn't elaborate.
The fitness center, which opened last year, is in a strip mall called the Great Southern Shopping Center, where a few businesses were destroyed in a 2006 fire. The fitness center said in a statement: "Each of us in the LA Fitness family are shocked and saddened by the senseless acts of violence that took place."
Glad he was a piss poor shot.
Glad so many made it out and the deaths were so few.
Prayers for the wounded and family members.
What can you say?
Not too much. It was ugly. Mall security at this mall is practically non-existent.
First responders did an excellent job though. Local and county Law Enforcement, including the county superintendant of police responded very quickly to this tragedy.
EMS and ambulance personell, well, not enough can be said about their reactions. They definitely kept the body count down.
Pennsylvania Gym Shooter Plotted Attack in Online Diary Before Killing Four
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8255530&page=1
"The man who shot up a Pittsburgh-area gym, killing four and injuring as many as 15 others before apparently turning a gun on himself kept an online diary detailing his hatred for his domineering mother and brother and his lust for other women."
and
"Among those reportedly shot were Sodini's ex-girlfriend and the class instructor who had just told participants that she was pregnant, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Neither were among the dead."
From his on-line diary:
"Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told. Eternal life does NOT depend on works. If it did, we will all be in hell," Sodini apparently wrote, before adding later, "I was reading the Bible and The Integrity of God beginning yesterday, because soon I will see them."
Just another believer of one of those religions of peace... ;)
FWIW - I continue to fail to understand GOD's on-going entertainment venue - GOD appears to be hooked on Law and Order reruns and old Rambo movies. :confused:
Sad. :(
Richard's $.02 :munchin
...Just another believer of one of those religions of peace... ;)....
So which church leader was preaching this past Sunday to go out and do this?
From his on-line diary:
Just another believer of one of those religions of peace... ;)
FWIW - I continue to fail to understand GOD's on-going entertainment venue - GOD appears to be hooked on Law and Order reruns and old Rambo movies. :confused:
Sad. :(
Richard's $.02 :munchin
I’m afraid Mr. Murderer is in for a tragic realization!
“We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers”. – 1 John 3:14-16
Prayers out to the victim and their families.
Rest in Peace and a speedy recovery to the injured.
So which church leader was preaching this past Sunday to go out and do this?
He doesn't say - he just states:
Maybe soon, I will see God and Jesus. At least that is what I was told.
Seems as if he was literate enough to read the Book and its many contradictory passages offering justification for nearly everything for himself. Here are a couple to think about:
“We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers”. – 1 John 3:14-16
What if the shooter didn't 'hate' anybody - but was merely offering a gift of love by allowing a select few randomly chosen by GOD's will to accompany him on his journey to seek GOD - does that mean he is not a murderer as written? :confused:
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law [Holy Bible] to do them.
I've got several copies of the Holy Bible and they have a number of differing interpretations of the same passages - which am I to believe?
Or perhaps he was confused by:
John 3:16 GOD loves the world.
John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
So is destroying the world favorable for or against GOD's love?
Or can GOD be bipolar - loves the world one day and hates it the next? And if GOD is bipolar, shouldn't we be that way, too...or are we? The Earth is - it has a North Pole and a South Pole. But then there is Poland which is...:rolleyes:
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Who are we to believe? And if someone doesn't believe what we believe as is written and edited, doesn't this say we have justification to destroy them as they have brought our actions upon themselves?
Having lived among and witnessed the actions of a vast number of societies and beliefs throughout the world - I have come to accept the concept of "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" - maybe I'm wrong, too - but's that my issue alone and I accept that. However, YMMV.
Bottom Line: I fail to understand how any sane person can do such harm to others - no matter what guise they seek to cloak and justify their heinous actions - religious or otherwise.
And the seemingly senseless killings in Pittsburh is still a sad case. :(
Richard's $.02 :munchin
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,537004,00.html
The fitness center said in a statement: "Each of us in the LA Fitness family are shocked and saddened by the senseless acts of violence that took place."
Know quite a few that work out in classes like this, and am one of them.
Thoughts are with the victims families.:(
Holly
The murderer's blog seems something a creative writing student would come up with. Very predictable. Is this tunnel vision thinking common among murderers and those who contemplate murder?
So which church leader was preaching this past Sunday to go out and do this?
Tetelestai Church in Pittsburgh, PA
pastor Rick Knapp
I don't believe it is a traditional church, no real surprise there. Their website is under construction, Church (http://www.tetelestai.org.)
Names and url is on his blog, along with a lot more info that I would not post here. I am surprised the site has not already been taken down.
Team Sergeant
08-05-2009, 10:50
From his on-line diary:
FWIW - I continue to fail to understand GOD's on-going entertainment venue - GOD appears to be hooked on Law and Order reruns and old Rambo movies. :confused:
Sad. :(
Richard's $.02 :munchin
It's easy to blame him....
IMO there's three types of bad-guys, criminals, crazies and crusaders, this guy was not a crusader.... had he been he would not have shot himself, he would have continued killing until someone else shot him.
Time for me to re-oil my .45 USP, check the ammo etc. The nuts are on the march.
TS
Tetelestai Church in Pittsburgh, PA
pastor Rick Knapp .......
You use as an example the Tetelestai Church under Knapp who some link to Thieme? Thieme's Church was/is considered by some to be cultish.
greenberetTFS
08-05-2009, 11:30
I’m afraid Mr. Murderer is in for a tragic realization!
sg1987,
Agreed..........However I can't believe he was really saved.........:(
Big Teddy :munchin
You use as an example the Tetelestai Church under Knapp who some link to Thieme? Thieme's Church was/is considered by some to be cultish.
Just to be clear, I did not randomly pick the church. I got it direclty from the killer, Sodini's blog.
December 31, 2008:
Now that I am on the topic of family and people I know, I might as well make a summary of sorts to show where things stand. This is New Years Eve I have time, no date tonight of course, so:
Honorable mention:
Tetelestai Church in Pittsburgh, PA - "Be Ye Holy, even as I have been Ye holy! Thus saith the lord thy God!", as pastor Rick Knapp would proclaim. Holy shit, religion is a waste. But this guy teaches (and convinced me) you can commit mass murder then still go to heaven
For those interested in the mind set of the killer, if you view the source for his blog, a final unseen message is at the end
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At the gym I saw a woman I like. I see her at the park and ride sometimes, so she isn't a stranger. Occationaly she makes good eye contact and smiles, etc. She is maybe 40ish, and attractive to me. I made brief conversation to her and a younger woman she was with today. To get a friend like her (and for night time action) I would cancel this plan, or put on hold, at least for a while.<BR>
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So sad, so many lives destroyed and for me so close to home.
My wife was headed to the parking lot when the guy opened fire, normally she goes to the class at 8, decided to leave early to tuck in our son. The latest news is he fired 52 shots, thank God more weren't hurt.
Just as an aside, my wife is a veteran of the surge, she's familiar with the sound of gun fire, but the heavy sound insulation in the cardio room made the sound of gun fire indistinguishable from other gym sounds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo8I-UnRnao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_DQUAuNUvw&feature=related
Ahh...how we seem to long for those good ol' days. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
My wife was headed to the parking lot when the guy opened fire, normally she goes to the class at 8, decided to leave early to tuck in our son. The latest news is he fired 52 shots, thank God more weren't hurt.
Just as an aside, my wife is a veteran of the surge, she's familiar with the sound of gun fire, but the heavy sound insulation in the cardio room made the sound of gun fire indistinguishable from other gym sounds.
Sir,
Am glad your wife is okay.
Was talking earlier with some family members here about how similar the situation would be to my own "class." They advised me not to go.:rolleyes:
But, with all the preaching in this thread, I can honestly say from experience, that in my own mind, there is no "chosen" with respect to who will be killed and who will be maimed. Go ahead, ask me, challenge my statement...I Will prove my point.;)
From my experience, crazy is cray, and as TS said, there are 3 types...
Holly:munchin
Ahh...how we seem to long for those good ol' days. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Of course we do. Ambiguity is uncomfortable. Nuances of probability, alternative ideas, limited and conflicting information do not provide the visceral certainty many crave.
I sense that the ambiguity within our society (and not just the U.S.) is increasing. Those approaches that everyone knew would work no longer do. So people react, some worse than others.
However, no matter how badly we might yearn for the good ol' days, they are gone. Those who find themselves lost and confused will, in some instances at least, behave badly. Thus I find wisdom in Team Sergeant's assessment.
Prayers for the victims.
bandycpa
08-05-2009, 18:00
Sir,
Am glad your wife is okay.
Was talking earlier with some family members here about how similar the situation would be to my own "class." They advised me not to go.:rolleyes:
But, with all the preaching in this thread, I can honestly say from experience, that in my own mind, there is no "chosen" with respect to who will be killed and who will be maimed. Go ahead, ask me, challenge my statement...I Will prove my point.
From my experience, crazy is cray, and as TS said, there are 3 types...
Holly:munchin
Holly,
Couldn't agree with you more. Life happens, period. This guy didn't just pick the one or two people that supposedly refused his advances. He chose the day, but he didn't know the people who would necessarily be inside the gym.
The teacher who gets killed in the classroom protecting her kids doesn't deserve to die. The guy who beats on his family and kills his little girl doesn't deserve to live. But they do, and in my mind, spirituality doesn't explain any of it...other than how we individually deal with what happens in life.
Again, life happens. How we prepare in advance, react in the moment, and handle the aftereffects is all we can really control.
Bandy
He was consumed by evil, plain and simple.
His readings show insanity - but evil, plain and simple?
I don't see plain and simple in his writings - maybe Sodini thought he was becoming GOD-like and, therefore, wrathful because nobody would recognize his existence or worship and obey his every order. Is that not what GOD conveniently claims as a reason for HIS having to commit 'murder' as cited in the many writings of HIS intentions which have been interpolated, produced, and edited over the millenia by Man?
You sound like a person steeped in the protections promised by those selling titheing and theological sheep dipping - so I would really like to know why GOD ever created man?
If GOD existed in perfection and the universe was free of the many vices of which Man is blamed by his CREATOR - why did HE create a less perfect imitation - if not to assauge HIS vanity (What value is GOD if there are none who know of HIM and who can worship HIM?) and ego (There are none but ME - obey MY every command, worship and adore only ME above all else...or I will give you a horrendous death!).
I am not trying to be funny here - I am looking for thoughts which seem to be patently difficult to answer - except to offer the ubiquitous, "Because you are not GOD and, therfore, cannot understand - so suck it up and, oh, by the way, HE'll explain it all after you've died and HE's finished treating you like a cat playing with a mouse." Is this approach really love GOD style?
Sodini wondered why he existed - I wonder why GOD ever created Man? :confused:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Of course God doesn't exist - we all just came from some type of cosmic dust and then became tadpoles, now complex man... And since we're all just matter in elemental form there is no difference in squashing a bug than killing a human - besides everything is matter and you can't destroy matter just re-arrange it.. And pouring a glass of water on the ground and letting evaporation occur is also changing the form of matter - That's no different than killing - just changing states of matter.
Oh then that cosmic dust became civilized and gave order to the universe so killing is wrong unless the person doesn't agree with you and you declare war. Then it's ok. And killing that bug is still ok but killing a kitten or puppy is wrong.
Maybe we should change all terminology of killing and life to state of matter. Alive you're partly hydrated, dead your dehydrated.
That makes much more sense... :rolleyes:
Sodini wondered why he existed
Of course God doesn't exist...
I think you misread the statement - Sodini didn't seem to wonder whether or not GOD existed - he accepted that - Sodini seemed to wonder why he (Sodini, not HE as in GOD) existed.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Sodini wondered why he existed - I wonder why GOD ever created Man? :confused:
For comic relief? :D
If GOD existed in perfection and the universe was free of the many vices of which Man is blamed by his CREATOR - why did HE create a less perfect imitation - if not to assauge his vanity (What value is GOD if there are none who know of HIM and who can worship HIM?) and ego (There are none but ME - obey my every command, worship and adore only ME above all else...or I will give you a horrendous death!).
Perhaps He gave His creation free will. The vices are simply examples of the exercise of free will. Some are worse than others.
And, too, there is the issue of the possible disparity between organized religion and reality. Tithing would be important to organized religion. God, however defined, would probably place less emphasis on the practice.
I am not trying to be funny here - I am looking for thoughts which seem to be patently difficult to answer - except to offer the ubiquitous, "Because you are not GOD and, therfore, cannot understand - so suck it up and, oh, by the way, HE'll explain it all after you've died and HE's finished treating you like a cat playing with a mouse." Is this approach really love GOD style?
Respectfully - can such really be discussed in an online forum? I sense a great many strong emotions on the subject from a number of good people. I hope what I am about to write does not give offense. It is not my intent to do so.
For myself, the answer is that we are each a small spark of a much greater whole. We do good things and bad; some we're proud of, others not. We can come back (reincarnate) if we want to; but we don't have to.
The penalty for a life poorly lived is that we see ourselves as we really are, with no little lies or self-deceptions to protect our feelings. And we wind up around others much like ourselves. Thus the "bad person" gets to be with others just like themselves. This is not a case of divine judgment; rather, people find their own level based on our internal nature.
What will the killer experience? Maybe he'll get to fully experience all the pain he created. Or maybe not - I don't claim any special insight.
None of this is meant to refute any other faith. Maybe the best parts of various faiths each represent an aspect of a much greater whole.
MOO. YMMV.
bandycpa
08-05-2009, 19:54
Respectfully - can such really be discussed in an online forum? I sense a great many strong emotions on the subject from a number of good people.
nmap,
I think you're right. Even on a forum such as this, the passion and emotion that religion evokes makes discussion very strained at best. That may be one of the reasons that religions that share so much in common cannot seem to find common ground.
Looping back to the original issue, the shooter was clearly insane. His writings were self-absorbed, and scattered to say the least. Imagine what it must have been like in his mind. Reading his blog, he would go from casual observations to ranting and denigrating the people around him. At one point, he even mentions wanting to change who he was, but being unable to do so. The fact that he even put a blog out there makes me wonder if he was trying to, in some twisted way, reach out for either help or affirmation. Either way, he woefully failed to change his thinking and assimilate himself peacefully back into society.
We cannot monitor every blog out there and do a preemptive strike on the crazies that are going to do something very bad to other people. Fortunately, some are found before they do their damage, but some are not. Again, all we can do is live life, keep our eyes open, and be as prepared as we can be. Control what we can control, and go from there.
Religion had nothing to do with this atrocity. Insanity did.
Bandy
Utah Bob
08-05-2009, 20:02
Investigators were trying to piece together the motive
I hear this each time after an event like this. A motive would imply he was rational. He was nuts.
I hear this each time after an event like this. A motive would imply he was rational. He was nuts.
I agree that Sodini was not sane - however - motive, as defined, is not dependent upon whether a person's actions were rational or not
Motive (noun) - An emotion, desire, physiological need, or similar impulse that acts as an incitement to action.
Religion had nothing to do with this atrocity.
Sodini's blog says otherwise.
Respectfully - can such really be discussed in an online forum? I sense a great many strong emotions on the subject from a number of good people.
Personally - I think it could and it is when discussing the Islamic or other mindset - but this may not be the forum for such an open discussion of Christianity - and a PM format may be best.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Personally - I think it could and it is when discussing the Islamic or other mindset - but this may not be the forum for such an open discussion of Christianity - and a PM format may be best.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Not to be difficult (I understand that this is home to Q.P.'s and I am merely a guest)....but I must ask the question...Why is it OK to discuss matters related to one religion and not another? It seems to me that we in America have been heavily influenced by the P.C. mindset. (I ask as one who has already asked myself: is this something that needs to be discussed in private?)
MOO - time and detracting from the primary mission of this web-site. PM me if you'd like.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
I agree that Sodini was not sane - however - motive, as defined, is not dependent upon whether a person's actions were rational or not
Religion had nothing to do with this atrocity.
Sodini's blog says otherwise.
We all agree that Sodini was insane. If Sodini said guns and women were his motivation for the killings (which it's obvious that women were part of his problem), would we attack his love of guns and women? [start sarcasm] It's obviously the "guns" fault that he used them in his attack... [end sarcasm] No, we'd say the guy was nuts and he used something good for evil/bad intent.
Ramblings of a crazy man are only that - ramblings. Regardless if it's religion, women, politics, guns, or that mama didn't love him.... He is still NUTS... I'm not going to try to make sense of crazy person's ramblings. (I tried that with my ex-wife and I still think she's nuts.:cool:).
I think you missed my point in the post above, I think it's just as nuts to think we all came from cosmic dust as you think I'm nuts to believe there's a deity.
I can argue Christianity with anyone. But ultimately we'll come to a mexican standoff and you'll believe what you will and I'll believe what I do. At the end of the day, I'll still drink a beer with you, we agree to disagree, and then we can talk about other things.. :lifter
I think you missed my point in the post above, I think it's just as nuts to think we all came from cosmic dust as you think I'm nuts to believe there's a deity.
Don't think that at all - I'm just skeptical of the business [hearts, minds, money, power, prestige] of organized religion and its man-made writings in whatever form.
However, I personally believe there is a force within our universe which cannot be explained, may never be explained, and - perhaps - should never be explained. To me, the words of the framers of our Constitution, learned men all, had it right when their only reference was to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them.*
And I look forward to one day sharing a beer and a conversation. :lifter
Richard's $.02 :munchin
* Declaration of Independence
....I can argue Christianity with anyone. But ultimately we'll come to a mexican standoff and you'll believe what you will and I'll believe what I do. .....
The problem is with Cosmic dust, Christianity and religions with a single - or more - creator.
The "one true path" is not the same path for everybody.
It is interesting to note than most main stream religions around the world tend to be based on peaceful writings that offer a path to a heaven like place or personal elevation to a higher state.
But there is one religion that breaks with the others and offers a path to heaven by violent acts. Hmmm.
Team Sergeant
08-06-2009, 09:26
My Norse half is getting irritated, the next one that cites a religious scripture from the bible is going to get banned.
Take it somewhere else.
Team Sergeant
Aha - Odin's forewarning of the Ragnarök from the poetic Edda - "Take it somewhere else." ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
And I look forward to one day sharing a beer and a conversation. :lifter
Richard's
And I'll buy the first round. Look forward to it sir. :cool:
Aha - Odin's forewarning of the Ragnarök from the poetic Edda - "Take it somewhere else." ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
'Great is my wrath for thee fallen gods, and thee their crawling slaves of my vengeance shall taste, cursed art thou for thy deeds of evil from the beginning unto the end, thou shalt all perish and be dead!'
Thus spake mighty Odin himself, his fierce gaze towards the enemy directed and his voice was of such might as to make them all shiver with awful fright. Some soiled themselves with their own excrements, some with fear became numb and dull and others on their knees for mercy begged. At their fear loud laughter arose from the Army of the Gods and shook the whole of the earth.
'No mercy shalt thou ever have from us, o rotten sons of dung morass, and thy children shall I feed to my wild hungry wolfs! Thy bodies shall I impale and trample thee to dust, for behold; none of you shall escape the Ragnarök day vengeful wrath!'
Odin, Loki and Thor - great trio to raise a horn with.
Lutefisk - it ain't just for Christmas
Odin, Loki and Thor - great trio to raise a horn with.
Any chance of doing that in Sessrúmnir? Because of the food, of course. ;)
My Norse half is getting irritated, the next one that cites a religious scripture from the bible is going to get banned.
Take it somewhere else.
Team SergeantOn another note:
Suicide...some folks think it's bad however, I disagree. If the SOB had blown his own brains out, this would have NEVER happened!
"Some folks need killin.":D
Suicide...some folks think it's bad however, I disagree. If the SOB had blown his own brains out, this would have NEVER happened!
Read the article - he did commit suicide.
Investigators were trying to piece together the motive of a gunman who walked into an exercise class in suburban Pittsburgh and fired dozens of shots, killing three women and himself...
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Abu-Shakra
08-07-2009, 01:09
Women didnt like him??? How hard is it to hook up with a fat chick??
Seriously, joking aside, this was so senseless and unnecessary loss of life. Too bad he didnt take his life before he took others.
Women didnt like him??? How hard is it to hook up with a fat chick??
Seriously, joking aside, this was so senseless and unnecessary loss of life. Too bad he didnt take his life before he took others.
Wholeheartedly concur!
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Read the article - he did commit suicide.
Stay safe.
Women didnt like him??? How hard is it to hook up with a fat chick??
I wouldn't know, Sir, but hope that men of all tastes find what they are after.;)
But this psycho used excuses for his behavior, and loss of interest in life, IMHO. And can only hope he is getting a proper dirt nap, and that none decide to copycat.
JHMO.:munchin
Holly
Before he committed the murders.
I know - sometimes my wise-ass medic personality just has to surface - drives my wife crazy, too. :D ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin