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Fonzy
01-18-2009, 20:22
Has anyone heard of this product for pt? It seemds kind of gimic-y to work. I was looking into getting pushup bars and was considering these. Thank you for any appreciation

MILON
01-18-2009, 20:56
what are the specifics on the product you are talking about? In general I sould say its not worth your money. Dumbells work fine as push up bars (if I am picturing the same produce you are talking about) and even better than that would be using medicine medicine balls or basketballs as an unstable surface. See the link below for an example.

http://www.xlathlete.com/view_exercise2.jsp?exercise_id=206

chance
01-18-2009, 21:23
Three kitchen chairs work great, just dip down as far as you can go.

Kyobanim
01-18-2009, 21:41
Has anyone heard of this product for pt? It seemds kind of gimic-y to work. I was looking into getting pushup bars and was considering these. Thank you for any appreciation

Spend the money on a good book, you'll get more out of it.

Put your hands on the floor underneath your body and push. Use several variations on the theme to concentrait on different areas:

1. Standard - hands along side your body and even with your armpits
2. form a diamond with your hands under your sternum
3. Put your fists on the floor, similar to a standard pushup
4. Use the diamond method except put your hands out in front of your head.

Blitzzz (RIP)
01-18-2009, 23:01
...is the last one:lifter
This device you refer to is designed to invert you "fists" as you press away from your body. It is a Neuro pattern much as a punch is done properly.
If you start you punch from your side with you fist with the thumb up and push out and up to about nose height while rotation your fist(palm down) then that is the motion of the perfect push up.
This devise is two separate pieces and hand placement can be as mentioned above to accent different areas of the muscles used in the push up.

Not a waste of money, but not necessary. Blitzzz

Fonzy
01-19-2009, 02:33
Blitz,
I believe you have the right idea. The specific item I'm talking about can be found at perfectpushup.com.

I've been using two benches together in a V shape, similliar to the three kitchen chair method, but that takes up a lot of space and isn't practical. Was looking for something small and practical to take with me back downrange (home for R&R now), was curious if the theory behind the "twist" with this product would help or if regular pushup bars would be better.

Thank you for your advice gentlemen,
SPC Fonzy

Blitzzz (RIP)
01-19-2009, 07:19
Buy two of the light kids balls ( about the size of a large soft ball) Do the push ups on those. You can rotate them as you push up and also benefit from the increased muscular coordination as your body try to stablize position on the Balls. It's a lot cheaper and work quite well. Blitzzz

JaimeD
01-23-2009, 12:23
All you crossfiters know about rings!. Doing ring pushups has the same effect if not bettter than the power pushups. You also have the benefit of doing a variety of other exercises (muscle-ups,dips, pullups, back levers and the iron cross).

Red Flag 1
01-23-2009, 13:00
All you crossfiters know about rings!. Doing ring pushups has the same effect if not bettter than the power pushups. You also have the benefit of doing a variety of other exercises (muscle-ups,dips, pullups, back levers and the iron cross).


With no Bio, you are not here!

Back to my lane, couldn't help myself.:D

RF 1

The Reaper
01-23-2009, 13:10
All you crossfiters know about rings!. Doing ring pushups has the same effect if not bettter than the power pushups. You also have the benefit of doing a variety of other exercises (muscle-ups,dips, pullups, back levers and the iron cross).

You should understand your operating environment and read the rules before posting.

You have missed an important step.

Do not post again without reading, and complying with the board rules.

TR

kawika
01-23-2009, 19:42
They are kind of goofy but I use them myself. On my "weekly pt test workout" I usually do 80 regular pushups first, and then do sets with this. I personally think it's helped me with my pushups and I can usually get to 80 fairly quick in one sitting now, whereas before I could really only do 50.

LR27
01-23-2009, 21:47
I have found that push-up bars help you go down farther so you don't cheat yourself, in turn making regular push-ups a lot easier. The 'Perfect Push-Up' has the same type of elevation, and the twist, the benefits of that stated above.

Nothing too special, but it gave me an extra 10 on PFT's.

Kiran
01-29-2009, 20:02
I have found that push-up bars help you go down farther so you don't cheat yourself, in turn making regular push-ups a lot easier. The 'Perfect Push-Up' has the same type of elevation, and the twist, the benefits of that stated above.

Nothing too special, but it gave me an extra 10 on PFT's.

Agreed. My buddy recommended I get use a couple of my textbooks for elevation, and no two textbooks are of the same size, nor is any combination of all my books. Plus, the muscle confusion is awesome; going back to a standard pushup afterwards feels quite a bit easier. I hit a plateau around 65 pushups, with only 6 more for a 100 on the pushup part. With these, I maxed out at 40, but after I used them consistently, it helped me break the plane and added a few more reps. Last week, I tested myself, I was at 70 pushups.

Doc Z
01-30-2009, 09:52
We have been using the Perfect Pushup system out here since the beginning of deployment. The first time we started using it, we all agreed that it was working our stabilizers more than a standard pushup. I haven't really noticed a difference as opposed to simply using free weight incline/decline/flat bench though. We have been having a competition lately but everyone seems to have tapered off in favor of other exercises. I think Warrior-Mentor put it best in his book 'Getting Selected', when he said "The best way to improve your push-ups, is to do push-ups".

Just my humble opinion.

MILON
01-30-2009, 15:39
Another idea. Take whatever you choose (ie. perfect push up, books, chairs, medicine balls, etc) and now wrap a band around your back to use as resistance. They are cheap and take up almost no space. Iron Woody is a good place to order from and they come in varying resistance levels. I would wait to use the bands until you are comfortable with whatever unstable surface you are using. Additionaly, you can add bands to just about any exercise you choose in the weight room. I trained with bands while deployed last year and had great results.

I couldnt find a video of band push ups, but there is one of Band DB Bench. Placing the band under the arm pits is best. See the videos and websites below.

DB Band Push Up
http://www.xlathlete.com/view_exercise2.jsp?exercise_id=332

Iron Woody Bands
http://ironwoodyfitness.com/fitness-bands.php


If anyone wants anymore info on training with the bands, just PM me.

Milon

Puertoland
02-06-2009, 12:38
I've had the Perfect push-up for a while, if you buy one they have a whole sheet for different programs to help increase your push up count and fitness.

Its a great body weight exercise, and when you just start out you'll have a good burn for a day or two in your shoulders and inner chest.

The difference is the twisting motion and the elevated bar, like others have mentioned. If want to buy them for increasing push up count, I'd recommend just doing push ups without equipment (the perfect push up wont make a huge difference in your push up count like I hoped, I actually fell off my usual count when I used only the perfect push up).

I will usually do my standard push ups, followed by another set. That method works much better at increasing my standard push up count.

The Reaper
02-06-2009, 19:26
Yet again, let me explain that the best exercise for improving pushups, is more pushups.

No way around it.

TR

mountaineer67
02-18-2009, 02:36
Yet again, let me explain that the best exercise for improving pushups, is more pushups.

No way around it.

TR


Amen !!

Puertoland
02-18-2009, 11:52
To anyone wondering what the Perfect Push up is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfbiMQUiUJk&feature=PlayList&p=3D935BF2FE57DEFC&index=6

Theres a video showing one of the variants of using the handles. Think I'll try it myself later, can't imagine it being too easy to fully rotate the arms.

MILON
02-18-2009, 12:29
I read this a while back and I think it certainly applies here. I think people tend to concentrate most on the strength endurance component, but forget about the maximal strength and especially the stability portion. The following was written by Bill Hartman, a PT out of Indianapolis who is well known in the performance enhancement field. I believe the Perfect Push Up is a great tool and can address all of these needs if used to its fullest, but as mentioned in previous posts its not a necessity.

How to do more push-ups?


Q: Bill, I love your blog. I wish you had time to post more often. I had a question. I have never been able to do a lot of push ups. My chest gets fatiqued after about 25-30 now matter what I do. I hear people talk about doing 50 push-ups at a time. Do you have any advice that will help me be able to do more push-ups?” Thanks.

A: Thanks for the question.
If you really have your heart set on setting a PR (personal record) for push-ups there’s a number of factors that contribute to your performance.

1. Stability
If you lack trunk or scapular stability, your prime movers at the shoulder girdle and upper extremity will be limited in their ability to produce force.
The Fix: Perform long duration planks and isometric holds in the lowered position of the push-up. Be sure to actively depress and stabilize the scapula.

2. Maximal strength
When doing a regular push-up on the floor, you’re lifting about 2/3 of your body weight. If you can increase maximal strength of those muscle groups involved, your 2/3 body weight becomes a lesser percentage of your maximals strength and theoretically your maximal number of push-ups performed should increase.
The fix: Loaded push-ups with a weighted vest, push-ups with chains, push-ups with bands, asymmetrical and unilateral push-up variations, partial range of motion push-ups, and even bench pressing.

3. Strength-endurance
High rep sets of push-ups are a test of your strength-endurance, so in essence, doing more push-ups will help.
The fix: Try this progression. 1-2x/week start by performing the maximal number of push-ups that you can do in a row while timing the duration of this first set. Rest the same amount of time that it took to complete the set. Repeat this process until your complete the desired number of repetitions. As strength-endurance improves, it should take fewer and fewer sets to complete the desired number of repetitions.

Bill

To see more of what he writes check out is blog here: http://billhartman.net/blog/

Blitzzz (RIP)
02-20-2009, 08:37
...The last one...

Razor
02-20-2009, 10:09
In the past, to get the wrist rotation the Perfect Pushup handles provide I simply lay supine on a bench and pressed sufficiently heavy dumbells with the same wrist movement.

CaseyJones
03-02-2009, 22:29
Perfect Pushup was awesome for me for about two months .. then I separated my shoulder and even though its healed for whatever reason the rotation seems to put too much pressure on my shoulder .. they're collecting dust now and I'm back to hands on the floor.

MILON
10-02-2010, 18:18
Not to bring this back from the grave, but thought some supported data on the perfect push up may save some people a little money.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20664364