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nmap
10-31-2008, 18:24
This came across as an e-mail. An internet search indicates the source was the link at the bottom of the posting. Clearly, the source does not claim to be objective.

Is the purported material true? I don't claim to know, but it is an interesting read. I leave determination of validity to you, the reader.

Nmap.

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A Hillary Staffer Comes Clean: What you were never intended to know in this election
October 31, 2008
By Anonymous_14

After a long and careful consideration of all the implications and possible consequences of my actions today, I have decided to go through with this in the hope that our country can indeed be guided into the right direction. First, a little personal background… I am a female grad student in my 20’s, and a registered Democrat. During the primaries, I was a campaign worker for the Clinton candidacy. I believed in her and still do, staying all the way to the bitter end. And believe me, it was bitter. The snippets you’ve heard from various media outlets only grazed the surface. There was no love between the Clinton and Obama campaigns, and these feelings extended all the way to the top. Hillary was no dope though, and knew that any endorsement of Obama must appear to be a full-fledged one. She did this out of political survival. As a part of his overall effort to extend an olive branch to the Clinton camp and her supporters, Obama took on a few Hillary staff members into his campaign. I was one such worker. Though I was still bitterly loyal to Hillary, I still held out hope that he would choose her as VP. In fact, there was a consensus among us transplants that in the end, he HAD to choose her. It was the only logical choice. I also was committed to the Democratic cause and without much of a second thought, transferred my allegiance to Senator Obama.


I’m going to let you in on a few secrets here, and this is not because I enjoy the gossip or the attention directed my way. I’m doing this because I doubt much of you know the true weaknesses of Obama. Another reason for my doing this is that I am lost faith in this campaign, and feel that this choice has been forced on many people in this country. Put simply, you are being manipulated. That was and is our job – to manipulate you (the electorate) and the media (we already had them months ago). Our goal is to create chaos with the other side, not hope. I’ve come to the realization (as the campaign already has) that if this comes to the issues, Barack Obama doesn’t have a chance. His only chance is to foster disorganization, chaos, despair, and a sense of inevitability among the Republicans. It has worked up until now. Joe the Plumber has put the focus on the issues again, and this scares us more than anything. Being in a position to know these things, I will rate what the Obama campaign already knows are their weak links from the most important on down.

1 – Hillary voters. Internal polling suggests that at best, we are taking 70-75% of these voters. Other estimates are as low as 60% in some areas – particularly Ohio and western PA. My biggest problem with this campaign’s strategy was the decision NOT to offer Hillary the VP slot. She was ready and able to take this on, and would have campaigned enthusiastically for it. This selection would have also brought virtually all of her supporters into the fold, and the Obama campaign knew it. Though I have no way of knowing this for certain, and I do admit that I am relying on internal gossip, Senator Obama actually went against the advice of his top advisors. They wanted him to choose her, but the only significant opposition to this within the campaign came from Barack and Michelle Obama. In short, he let personal feelings take precedence over what was the most logical thing to do. Biden, by the way, has been a disaster inside the campaign. Everyone cringes whenever he gives an interview, and he creates so many headaches as the campaign has to stay on their toes in order to disseminate information and spin whatever it was he was trying to say.

2 – Sarah Palin. Don’t believe what the media is telling you about how horrible a choice she was. Again, our internal polling suggest that though she has had a minimal impact on pulling disaffected Hillary Democrats to McCain, she has done wonders in mobilizing the base for McCain. Another thing – we were completely taken by surprise with her pick. In my capacity in the research department, I looked into the backgrounds of Leiberman, Romney, Pawlenty and Ridge, and prepared briefs. I don’t mind bragging that we had pretty good stuff on all of them. With Leiberman, the plan was to paint him as an erratic old-timer who didn’t have a clue as to what he was doing (pretty much a clone of McCain). In Romney, we had him pegged as an evil capitalist who cut jobs. Pawlenty was going to get the “Quayle treatment”, or more precisely: a pretty face, with no valid experience. Tom Ridge was going to be used to provide a direct link from McCain to Bush. As you can see, we were quite enamored of all of them. Then the unexpected happened – Sarah Palin. We had no clue as to how to handle her, and bungled it from the start. Though through our misinformation networks, we have successfully taken some of the shine off. But let there be no doubt. She remains a major obstacle. She has singlehanded solidified “soft” Republican support, mobilized the McCain ground game, and has even had some appeal to independents and Hillary voters. This is what our internal polling confirms.

3 – Obama’s radical connections. Standards operating procedure has been to cry “racism” whenever one of these has been brought up. We even have a detailed strategy ready to go should McCain ever bring Rev. Wright up. Though by themselves they are of minimal worth, taken together, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Father Pfelger, and now, Rashid Khalili, are exactly what the campaign does not need. The more focus on them, the more this election becomes a referendum on Obama. The campaign strategy from the very beginning was to make this election a referendum on Bush. Strategists have been banging their head on how successfully McCain has distanced himself from Bush. This has worked, and right now the tide is in his favor. People are taking a new look at Barack Obama, and our experience when this happens tells us this is not good news at all. When they take a look at him, one or more of these names are bound to be brought up. McCain has wisely not harped on this in recent weeks and let voters decide for themselves. This was a trap we set for him, and he never fully took the bait. Senator Obama openly dared him to bring up Ayers. This was not due to machismo on the part of Obama, but actually due to campaign strategy. Though McCain’s reference to Ayers fell flat in the last debate, people in the Obama campaign were actually disappointed that he didn’t follow through on it more and getting into it. Our focus groups found this out: When McCain brings these connections up, voters are turned off to him. They’d rather take this into consideration themselves, and when this happens, our numbers begin to tank.

4 – The Bradley Effect. Don’t believe these polls for a second. I just went over our numbers and found that we have next to no chance in the following states: Missouri, Indiana, North Carolina, Florida, New Hampshire and Nevada. Ohio leans heavily to McCain, but is too close to call it for him. Virginia, Pennsylvania, Colorado, New Mexico and Iowa are the true “toss up states”. The only two of these the campaign feels “confident” in are Iowa and New Mexico. The reason for such polling discrepancy is the Bradley Effect, and this is a subject of much discussion in the campaign. In general, we tend to take a -10 point percentage in allowing for this, and are not comfortable until the polls give us a spread well over this mark. This is why we are still campaigning in Virginia and Pennsylvania! This is why Ohio is such a desperate hope for us! What truly bothers this campaign is the fact that some pollsters get up to an 80% “refuse to respond” result. You can’t possibly include these into the polls. The truth is, people are afraid to let people know who they are voting for. The vast majority of these respondents are McCain supporters. Obama is the “hip” choice, and we all know it.

(Snip. Length considerations require an additional post for the remainder of the item)


LINK (http://www.againstobama.com/2008/10/a-hillary-staffer-comes-clean-what-you-were-never-intended-to-know-in-this-election/)

nmap
10-31-2008, 18:25
Cont'd from above. This portion is a continuation of the original post at the beginning of the thread.

As part of my research duties, I scour right wing blogs and websites to get somewhat of a “feel” as to what is being talked about on the other side. Much of it is nonsense, but there are some exceptions which give the campaign jitters. A spirited campaign has been made to infiltrate many pro-Hillary sites and discredit them. A more disorganized, but genuine effort has also been made to sow doubts among the unapologetically right wing sites such as redstate.com. Don’t you guys get it? This has been the Obama campaign’s sole strategy from the very beginning! The only way he wins is over a dispirited, disorganized, and demobilized opposition. This is how it has been for all of his campaigns. What surprises me is that everyone has fallen for it. You may point to the polls as proof of the inevitability of all of this. If so, you have fallen for the oldest trick in the book. How did we skew these polls, you might ask? It all starts with the media “buzz” which has been generated over the campaign. Many stories are generated on the powerful Obama ground game, and how many new voters were registered. None of this happens by coincidence. It is all part of the poll-skewing process. This makes pollsters change their mixes to reflect these new voters and tilt the mix more towards Democratic voters. What is not mentioned or reported on is not the “under-reported cell phone users or young voters” we hear so much about. What is underreported is you.

I changed my somewhat positive opinion of this campaign during the unfair and sexist campaign against Sarah Palin. I will never agree with her on the issues and will probably never vote for her, but I am embarrassed of what has happened. I can’t ignore our own hand in all of this. What I do know is that I will not be voting for Obama this time around. Treat that as you will.

LINK (http://www.againstobama.com/2008/10/a-hillary-staffer-comes-clean-what-you-were-never-intended-to-know-in-this-election/)

Penn
10-31-2008, 18:44
The fourth estate has perverted this election from the beginning. I pray to God that the American people see this and act accordingly come the 4th of November.

jw74
10-31-2008, 18:47
As part of my research duties, I scour right wing blogs and websites to get somewhat of a “feel” as to what is being talked about on the other side. LINK[/URL]

I don't consider this site to be a right wing blog, but there have been a poster or two on PS.com over the past month that had me scratching my chin with their pov's. I didn't think too deeply about it because I knew if they got silly, TS would ban them. I'm not saying I think this is the case, but the idea that a google search has put Obama staffer's on PS.com makes me smile . :D

Penn
10-31-2008, 18:51
jw-74 you are so far off base..nmap is posting and referenceing anothers comments.

nmap
10-31-2008, 19:11
I'm not saying I think this is the case, but the idea that a google search has put Obama staffer's on PS.com makes me smile . :D

Ahh, if only I could be in a trusted position on his staff...with full access to his computers...just for a brief while...:D

jw74
10-31-2008, 19:17
jw-74 you are so far off base..nmap is posting and referenceing anothers comments.

I'm not off base at all. Nor am I talking about nmap. I understand that he was posting another's comments. I am talking about a couple of posts in another thread. The user was troubleshooter77. He posted in defense of Obama and then disappeared. there have been a couple others like that. I am not suggesting they were anything other than lame but it wouldnt be ridiculous to think that ps.com comes up on certain searches and would get some attention.
It was nmap's post that made me wonder about them- not nmap. if he is subversive, the board will get him..:p

Red Flag 1
10-31-2008, 19:17
nmap,

Thanks for the post sir!!!

Perhaps, one day, we may learn who wrote this. Not much suprise really, just more validation. I will still worry until the election is over and validated.

I do think there will be recounts and voter fraud claims; it is all in place just waiting for the call from on high, IMHO.

Chef,

Spot on, both posts.


RF 1

Red Flag 1
10-31-2008, 19:38
I'm not off base at all. Nor am I talking about nmap. I understand that he was posting another's comments. I am talking about a couple of posts in another thread. The user was troubleshooter77. He posted in defense of Obama and then disappeared. there have been a couple others like that. I am not suggesting they were anything other than lame but it wouldnt be ridiculous to think that ps.com comes up on certain searches and would get some attention.
It was nmap's post that made me wonder about them- not nmap. if he is subversive, the board will get him..:p


I believe that if you read all of the threads 77 posted on, you will find there were some things lacking. There were also questions asked that he just blew off. I do not think the postion was of any problem at all. Many of us are guests on this site, myself included. QP's and Mods, Penn included, give ample warning and guidance before acting in the best interest of this QP site!

That having been said, perhaps you might clarify your point about "ps.com" coming up on certian searches? Oh and it's "board" getting "subversives?



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jw74
10-31-2008, 19:47
I believe that if you read all of the threads 77 posted on, you will find there were some things lacking. There were also questions asked that he just blew off. I do not think the postion was of any problem at all. Many of us are guests on this site, myself included. QP's and Mods, Penn included, give ample warning and guidance before acting in the best interest of this QP site!

That having been said, perhaps you might clarify your point about "ps.com" coming up on certian searches? Oh and it's "board" getting "subversives?



RF 1

I read all of his threads and will reiterate that I am not saying that I believed that troubleshooter77 was an Obama plant. I do not care what his politics were, nor do I expect everyone on this site to agree with my views but after reading nmap's article it made me wonder if any Obama staffers had ever googled something and had come upon this site. Lastly, regarding the subversives comment, if you read my post you will see that I placed an emoticon of a smiley face sticking out its tongue. I placed that there because I wanted it to be clear that I was joking.

Sigaba
10-31-2008, 20:30
I don't consider this site to be a right wing blog, but there have been a poster or two on PS.com over the past month that had me scratching my chin with their pov's. I didn't think too deeply about it because I knew if they got silly, TS would ban them. I'm not saying I think this is the case, but the idea that a google search has put Obama staffer's on PS.com makes me smile . :D

JW,

I think follow your point. You are saying that it would be funny as all get out if Obamots (as they're called) came here and tried to stir things up and that there have been a couple of people who seemed like they were trying to do just that. (To me, Jamber comes to mind.)

I do think that your writing style is getting in the way of you communicating your thoughts as you intend. I think that you and I share a trait in common: we write the way we talk without realizing that sometimes we don't see how a conversational approach to writing can be awkward.

Sigaba
10-31-2008, 20:39
The fourth estate has perverted this election from the beginning. I pray to God that the American people see this and act accordingly come the 4th of November.

My take from the get go was that the media wanted to play king maker.

At the risk of getting whapped upside the head by The Reaper, I will say that I gained a certain amount of respect for Senator Clinton's efforts to over come the unconscionable treatment she received from her own party and the fourth estate. I believe that America would have been better served had she been the Democratic nominee. At the very least, she would have brought to the process a concept alien to Senator Obama: respect for her opponent and her supporters.

Reaper, please be gentle.:D

Kyobanim
10-31-2008, 20:39
This thread should be titled "Someone who claims to be a Hillary Staffer, but is too chickenshit to say who they are, comes clean. . .Maybe"

This is worthless without a real name to verify it. It just says what we all suspect, and what I suspect, most other McCain supporters suspect.

Say that 3 times real fast.

jw74
10-31-2008, 20:51
JW,

I think follow your point. You are saying that it would be funny as all get out if Obamots (as they're called) came here and tried to stir things up and that there have been a couple of people who seemed like they were trying to do just that. (To me, Jamber comes to mind.)

I do think that your writing style is getting in the way of you communicating your thoughts as you intend. I think that you and I share a trait in common: we write the way we talk without realizing that sometimes we don't see how a conversational approach to writing can be awkward.

yes. thank you. I can write a bit confusingly at times. thanks for trying to clarify my position.

Stryfe
10-31-2008, 21:52
This thread should be titled "Someone who claims to be a Hillary Staffer, but is too chickenshit to say who they are, comes clean. . .Maybe"

This is worthless without a real name to verify it. It just says what we all suspect, and what I suspect, most other McCain supporters suspect.

Say that 3 times real fast.

+1...thought the same thing after I got done reading it. Don't mind hoping about it all but still going to prepare for the worst.

JJ_BPK
11-01-2008, 04:41
My hart flutters when I read such titillating material,,
But alas,, I put the BS meter to it and it comes up a "10"..

Needed: Face & Name...

Maybe: Stephanopoulos????

:(:eek::rolleyes::confused:

rubberneck
11-01-2008, 08:28
Maybe: Stephanopoulos????

Hillary Clinton.;)

Richard
11-01-2008, 09:03
Hmmmmm... :confused:

If it's an anonymous e-mail and looks too good to be true...it probably isn't. Run it through Snopes! :rolleyes::D

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Red Flag 1
11-01-2008, 09:26
Hmmmmm... :confused:

If it's an anonymous e-mail and looks too good to be true...it probably isn't. Run it through Snopes! :rolleyes::D

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Now there's a plan!

I'm pretty sure in is not James Carvell.

RF 1

nmap
11-01-2008, 09:45
Hmmmmm... :confused:

If it's an anonymous e-mail and looks too good to be true...it probably isn't.


Words of wisdom.

And so, in a spirit of contrition, I attach some instruments for future reference. :D

JGarcia
11-01-2008, 10:02
It was entertaining anyhow, in a Clancy sort of way.

I suspect it is a republican trying to rally the way ward flock back to the standard bearer (a good thing). It was a fun read though.

Team Sergeant
11-01-2008, 10:30
I'm not off base at all. Nor am I talking about nmap. I understand that he was posting another's comments. I am talking about a couple of posts in another thread. The user was troubleshooter77. He posted in defense of Obama and then disappeared. there have been a couple others like that. I am not suggesting they were anything other than lame but it wouldnt be ridiculous to think that ps.com comes up on certain searches and would get some attention.
It was nmap's post that made me wonder about them- not nmap. if he is subversive, the board will get him..:p


troubleshooter77 was not only a troll but a moron also.

troubleshooter77 used a "De Oppresso Liber" in his sig line but would not explain it to us, I guess he thought he could "act" as if he was indeed one of us and get away with it here on this board. Not likely. He was also asked to back his ideas/opinions with heated discussion, he attempted to completly change the tenor of the thread instead. Not a smart idea, not on this board.

Now if I need to explain my actions again to you or anyone esle please feel free to go to those other "military" boards where the motive is profit driven and the playing field is five military personnel for every ten thousand idiots, you know the sites where the owners kiss the asses of the members because each and everyone of them equals a dollar sign.

Military.com is a perfect example.

Now "Listen" closely, this is a Special Forces website, not to be confused with a "profit motivated" SOF website. This is our website and the funny part is the civilians are the guests. Strange concept right?

You see on this board if and when you irritate one of us you've probably irritated many of us, and we don't have to put up with it.

We enjoy intelligent discussion, we also enjoy the ability to ban the idiots.

The word is out concerning this website, idiots are not welcome.

Team Sergeant

SF_BHT
11-01-2008, 10:45
troubleshooter77 was not only a troll but a moron also.

troubleshooter77 used a "De Oppresso Liber" in his sig line but would not explain it to us, I guess he thought he could "act" as if he was indeed one of us and get away with it here on this board. Not likely. He was also asked to back his ideas/opinions with heated discussion, he attempted to completly change the tenor of the thread instead. Not a smart idea, not on this board.

Now if I need to explain my actions again to you or anyone esle please feel free to go to those other "military" boards where the motive is profit driven and the playing field is five military personnel for every ten thousand idiots, you know the sites where the owners kiss the asses of the members because each and everyone of them equals a dollar sign.

Military.com is a perfect example.

Now "Listen" closely, this is a Special Forces website, not to be confused with a "profit motivated" SOF website. This is our website and the funny part is the civilians are the guests. Strange concept right?

You see on this board if and when you irritate one of us you've probably irritated many of us, and we don't have to put up with it.

We enjoy intelligent discussion, we also enjoy the ability to ban the idiots.

The word is out concerning this website, idiots are not welcome.

Team Sergeant

Spot On.........:lifter
We in SF have supported our selfs just like on deployments throughout our history. I love to have an Intelligent debate but do not want to waste time with Idiots.
Keep up the fight and ban the Idiots as they pop up. :munchin

Red Flag 1
11-01-2008, 12:04
Words of wisdom.

And so, in a spirit of contrition, I attach some instruments for future reference. :D

The Dims have a Bill before congress to ban these things; ear marked in the 4 Nov election . :D


RF 1

jw74
11-01-2008, 14:27
Now if I need to explain my actions again to you or anyone esle please feel free to go to those other "military" boards where the motive is profit driven and the playing field is five military personnel for every ten thousand idiots, you know the sites where the owners kiss the asses of the members because each and everyone of them equals a dollar sign.

If one person misunderstood me I might think it was their problem but since several people have now misunderstood me I accept that it is my writing. I will try a final time to make myself clear because there was never an intended reproach or insult to anyone on this site.

After reading nmap's post about an Obama staffer who claimed to check out right wing blog sites, I wondered if some of the posters like troubleshooter were POSSIBLY interlopers.

What I was trying to convey was my belief that the PS.com board would handle them in short order. I was GLAD to see that Troubleshooter was banned after he failed to back up his point of view.

I've reread my posts and I can see that the first one was confusing and I apologize for not being clearer. I was not criticizing this site or its board or the decision to ban. I was merely wondering, in an apparently hamfisted way, if outsiders had trolled this site and if they were the ones you had banned.

I have always been respectful in my posts and I realize that I am a guest here. Hopefully, this clears up my position.

Team Sergeant
11-01-2008, 17:20
I'm not off base at all. Nor am I talking about nmap. I understand that he was posting another's comments. I am talking about a couple of posts in another thread. The user was troubleshooter77. He posted in defense of Obama and then disappeared. there have been a couple others like that. I am not suggesting they were anything other than lame but it wouldnt be ridiculous to think that ps.com comes up on certain searches and would get some attention.
It was nmap's post that made me wonder about them- not nmap. if he is subversive, the board will get him..:p

This is the part of your paragraph that could be read two ways.... I took it as we "disappeared" him just because he was a democrat.

Now I understand what you were trying to say.

I know there's more democrats on here and I've not "disappeared" all of them, well, not yet anyway....;)

TS

jw74
11-01-2008, 17:40
This is the part of your paragraph that could be read two ways.... I took it as we "disappeared" him just because he was a democrat.

Now I understand what you were trying to say.

I know there's more democrats on here and I've not "disappeared" all of them, well, not yet anyway....;)

TS

I'm glad it was straightened out. In the future I will proof read my posts and edit out any double meanings. I get a lot out of this site and the last thing I wanted to do was offend.

ZonieDiver
11-02-2008, 05:21
Spot On.........:lifter
We in SF have supported our selfs just like on deployments throughout our history. I love to have an Intelligent debate but do not want to waste time with Idiots.
Keep up the fight and ban the Idiots as they pop up. :munchin

Sort of like a ps.com version of "Whack-a-Mole"? :D

Richard
11-02-2008, 06:50
I know there's more democrats on here and I've not "disappeared" all of them, well, not yet anyway....TS

FWIW, I'm a registered Democrat because that's what my parents were when I was growing up. However, we are of the Northern California Central Valley ilk which have been mentioned in this forum and who believe people sometimes need help for awhile...but not forever, that a person pays his bills, that declaring bankruptcy is an unpardonable sin, that education is a family's responsibility and not that of some bureaucracy, and that BIG government at any level is neither necessary nor appreciated. ;)

All of this helps explain why I am upset with both major political parties right now and wish there was a more palatable alternative. :(

I only voted for a Democrat Presidential candidate once...that was for JEC's second term because I was leery of RR; I have not made that mistake twice.

I have three grown sons--one is a Marin County ultra-liberal and the other two are staunch conservatives.

Now...ban me if you must...it happened to my ancestors many years ago (attchd pic) and I will learn to live with it as they have done. :D

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Ret10Echo
11-02-2008, 07:00
I've actually heard conversations about party affiliation that are of interest. There are those here in Maryland that are in fact registered Democrats simply because that is the only way to be truly engaged in the selection of candidates.... This is very much a single-party state.

Translation..at least you can try to influence the more conservative of the liberals in the primaries.

Being "erased" would probably depend upon the lack of intelligent discussion in support of you views and opinions.

If your comback is something along the lines of "Oh yeahh!" OR "Well you're stupid." then I imagine you should be outside the garden :D (mind the flaming sword)

SF_BHT
11-02-2008, 09:15
Sort of like a ps.com version of "Whack-a-Mole"? :D

Good one....;)