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anythingrandom
10-19-2008, 13:32
I was just informed by a friend that Obama supporters around the nation have "riot centers" in major cities incase of an unexpected McCain victory in November. Allegedly, his supporters plan to assault "white people" if Obama is up in the polls the night before the election and does not pull off the win.
I was wondering if anyone else had heard any rumors along these same lines. I've done some google searches and found nothing. My friend can't remember where she heard this news. I'll continue searching, but I wanted to get this information out there. Seeing as it's premeditated, politically-motivated violence I placed it in the "Terrorism" threads. If it is misplaced, my apologies.
Defender968
10-19-2008, 14:33
I haven't heard anything like that through my LE channels, though it wouldn't surprise me if many of BHOs supporters started riots if he didn't win, with that being said do I think they're pre-planning them in any real organized way on a large scale, frankly I doubt it, but anything is possible. Best advice is to cast your vote early, and stay off the streets after dark.
Goggles Pizano
10-19-2008, 14:43
Much as anything else if a riot did break out it would not have the staying power the lib media would wish for it. I was around when the Rodney King issue had every city on edge. Worst case scenario for us was "concerned citizens" chasing after us while we were chasing suspects (on foot, vehicles, whatever). After all the usual bombast the mob generally cools down when force is applied. The question of violence centers is of little concern to LEO's unless direct threats are present. Our intelligence section has not given us any hints of future unrest; at least not in my city.
I was around when the Rodney King issue had every city on edge. Worst case scenario for us was "concerned citizens" chasing after us while we were chasing suspects (on foot, vehicles, whatever). After all the usual bombast the mob generally cools down when force is applied.
It was a bit of a different story here in L.A.
Pat
No. I am Black and from New York City and I have not heard that either. All I have heard here and there is some tough talk from a few thugs there but no organized plans for any kind of rioting or carrying on. Even on predominantly Black message boards the question has been asked by some concerned about securing their stores, etc...
The general opinion is that if anything some criminal types might use the opportunity to loot. I personally believe that the organized riot type talk is being perpetuated by White Supremacist groups.
The Media needs to start explaining the Bradley/Wilder Effect immediately. Polls are never as accurate as they would like you to think they are. Race is going to play a huge role in this election. With the events of ACORN, Ayers, ...you would think that the red flag should be up...but some rather not pay attention to the obvious and only see "black". THing is, there are alot of white that would vote a black person in office, like myself and family, but not BHO. Something just doesnt click with him. No warm and fuzzies here.
I wouldn't doubt one bit about the potential for riots in certain places. See how a true civilized community leader would handle and quell those, who should be the first to go to the hot spots to calm the masses if he loses.
Btw, what if all the white people rioted if BHO wins?
Education -vs- Ignorance, whether Black or White.
Hell, considering that the Obama campaign has been doing it's best to limit freedom of speech on the web:
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=35519
Add the ACORN shame, Joe the Plumbing vetting and the Truth Squads.....Organized civil unrest by the Obots isn't too far fetched.
I guess we'll cross this bridge when and if we are given the catalysts for things to become combustable.
Leozinho
10-19-2008, 18:14
I was just informed by a friend that Obama supporters around the nation have "riot centers" in major cities incase of an unexpected McCain victory in November. Allegedly, his supporters plan to assault "white people" if Obama is up in the polls the night before the election and does not pull off the win.
I was wondering if anyone else had heard any rumors along these same lines. I've done some google searches and found nothing. My friend can't remember where she heard this news. I'll continue searching, but I wanted to get this information out there. Seeing as it's premeditated, politically-motivated violence I placed it in the "Terrorism" threads. If it is misplaced, my apologies.
What you call "getting it out there" is what I call spreading unfounded rumors. I don't see how spreading this rumor is good for anything.
anythingrandom
If no one has any facts then lets quit spreading any more unsupported Rumors.
This so far has no fact based info and we do not spread rumors. Here on this board we deal in things that can be backed up in facts. Opinions are great but this type on rumor does no one any good.
TS what do you think?
my 2 cents................
Hmmmm the only facts I found....after a bit of searching were comments by one James Carville during CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 and a few other websites speculating what would happen if he loses.
It appears to all be speculation (no facts) and Carville's comments just added fuel to the fire......
I'll take your .02 and head on out of here.
Hmmmm the only facts I found....after a bit of searching were comments by one James Carville during CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 and a few other websites speculating what would happen if he loses.
This doesn't help either:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/07/martin/index.html
-and this-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/esther-j-cepeda/obama-election-reaction-b_b_135070.html
It appears to all be speculation (no facts) and Carville's comments just added fuel to the fire......
I'll take your .02 and head on out of here.
Team Sergeant
10-19-2008, 19:54
anythingrandom
If no one has any facts then lets quit spreading any more unsupported Rumors.
This so far has no fact based info and we do not spread rumors. Here on this board we deal in things that can be backed up in facts. Opinions are great but this type on rumor does no one any good.
TS what do you think?
my 2 cents................
I ran a google "news" search on the thread title (Obama Election Riots) and it does in fact have some concerned.
Team Sergeant
I ran a google "news" search on the thread title (Obama Election Riots) and it does in fact have some concerned.
Team Sergeant
OK I had only heard of what Carville was speculating. Still have not seen any facts of any plan/prep by his people. A lot of people just thinking out loud of bad twist if they do not get their way. I figure it is a scare tactic at most.:lifter
Lee Majors
10-19-2008, 21:07
The rumor might have started with a call the Hugh Hewitt show received from a police officer who said they were training to be prepared for potential rioting or civil unrest after the elections.
If Obama wins!?!?!?:D
The :D means: I was just kidding and/or joking around. LOL
Stay safe.
I'm think so far you have nothing but pure unadulterated speculation,, encouraged by the talking-heads.
BUT,, I seen no reason why metropolitan LEO orgs should not prepare for something.
Did you ever see the celebration after the home team WINS???
Who ever wins, I think a prudent person sould have a plan, just in case.
You can bet , it ain't gonna be a hippy love fest...
This thread kinda reminds me of the time we were doing our winter training and I thought I saw an eye doctor on an Alaskan island...but it just turned out to be an optical Aleutian. :rolleyes:
Similar to this one? http://www.newsweek.com/id/164512/output/print
I think I'll just use my tinfoil for grilling for a while longer. ;)
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Jack Moroney (RIP)
10-20-2008, 05:48
You can rest assured that the 5 cops that service this town will be keeping a close watch on the 3 folks of African persuasion that live here:rolleyes:
Look, there are elements in any society that will use whatever excuse they can to further their agendas. While I am sure that in some parts of this country there is real concern about civil unrest of one nature or another and there are folks that will use this concern, real or perceived, to feed off of folks fears to encourage the outcome of this election. Hell, the politicians have stirred up enough fear among the populace about certain issues to garner votes. Regardless of whether you feel that this election has a race element in it or not, a riot by either side would only confirm that this is race based and will set back any gains made by either major group for a long time. That being said, a little situational awareness about where you live and the tone of the times will go a long way in keeping you out of harms way. Nothing happens in a vaccuum and as this would take a good deal of planning and organizing I would expect that LE would be on top of this and watching the appropriate indicators. This is a good circumstance, however, for those outside of this country that would like to contribute to the current social issues and economic trials that we are facing to insitigate actions to further their cause so I would not be looking only inward but also off shore. In the meantime spreading unfounded rumors are only contributing to the successful information operations agenda established by whomever started them. Do you part and pay attention to what is going on but do not feed the flames by spreading the panic. MSM does not need any help!!!
Very well said Col Jack...
CoLawman
10-20-2008, 08:09
If Obama wins!?!?!?:D
The :D means: I was just kidding and/or joking around. LOL
Stay safe.
LMAO! Where were the riots when OJ was convicted in Vegas?
anythingrandom
10-20-2008, 09:16
I knew, when debating with myself about whether or not to post this, that the accusations of rumor mongering would fly. I chose to post, regardless.
I understand how some would interpret this post as an unjustified one, but I trust the friend that notified me of this. It was a personal consideration, and for any who are upset with my fruitless attempts to find the story, I do apologize. It was not my intent to smack the hornet nest and run away. Any possibility of organized, race-related violence deserves, in my opinion, to be addressed. Again, I do apologize to any that feel the thread is unjustified. I was interested to hear if any others had come across this information, and if they had any more to add.
I am still scanning for details about this story. I haven't found much besides the Carville interview and random interviews about election riot readiness, but that does not mean the information is imagined. I can't find my car keys right now, but I know they are here somewhere.
In response to Guy's post....
Isn't a riot by a military faction called a coup? :D
I don't care. I want in.
Puertoland
10-20-2008, 22:54
Kids in the college, and those in my neighborhood claim their going to riot and go nuts if Obama loses, but they are the types to shut their mouths once they figure out someone disagrees. Nothing to worry about, barkers not biters.
Besides that I have heard nothing.
The Reaper
10-21-2008, 07:21
Given, media spin that Obama in a shoe-in right now, and cannot lose.
Given, MSM reports that the elections of 2000 and 2004 were somehow stolen.
Given, rampant belief in conspiracy theories, much like Reverend Wright was preaching on.
It could happen. I would be prepared.
TR
I hope they don't behave like Michigan State University's students.
When they win a national championship--they riot and set fire to cars.
When they lose a national championship--they riot and set fire to cars. :confused:
Richard :munchin
Red Flag 1
10-21-2008, 08:55
I hope they don't behave like Michigan State University's students.
When they win a national championship--they riot and set fire to cars.
When they lose a national championship--they riot and set fire to cars. :confused:
Richard :munchin
For some, the civil disobedience is of greater importance than the reason.
My $.02.
RF 1
troubleshter77
10-21-2008, 09:07
OK gentlemen I am compelled to weigh in on this on.
I am a retired Sergeant/Detective from a major metropolitan city. Spent several years in particular, working criminal intelligence and even spent time "policing" bad cops for the DOJ. I served my country well in Panama and Central America Pre and Post Operation Just Cause; and maintain good intel connections to this day.
For the record, I can find no credible intel via traditional means or "back channel" means that support the "speculative theory" that elements of the "black" fringe are preparing to stage riots in the event that the election go's different than "some" would like. This is very dangerous stuff and we as a community should not buy into feeding it, under any circumstances. Period.
As a group of "extraordinary men" the SF community has a greater responsibility to be more intelligent, more prudent, wiser, more discerning, and more stable in thought and deed during those times when that which we have ALL struggled to preserve is threatened. From what I can glean from the responses so far that is exactly what has been done; prudence, discernment and good judgement have been maintained on this particular thread.
I concur with Team Sergeant and SF_BHT on this one, be careful.... We are at a very critical time in this nations history and need to be careful about unfounded "sensational statements" regarding "riots" that in this case may originate with a small dis-affected segment of the population, (black or white), that may be unhappy with the results of the next election.
I close with this; May we remember that our nation, whose motto is, "In God we trust", expects that we shall acquit ourselves with honor, that we may never bring shame upon our faith, our families, or our fellow men."
Just a few thoughts from someone who has been there......;););):lifter
greenberetTFS
10-21-2008, 10:25
You can rest assured that the 5 cops that service this town will be keeping a close watch on the 3 folks of African persuasion that live here:rolleyes:
Look, there are elements in any society that will use whatever excuse they can to further their agendas. While I am sure that in some parts of this country there is real concern about civil unrest of one nature or another and there are folks that will use this concern, real or perceived, to feed off of folks fears to encourage the outcome of this election. Hell, the politicians have stirred up enough fear among the populace about certain issues to garner votes. Regardless of whether you feel that this election has a race element in it or not, a riot by either side would only confirm that this is race based and will set back any gains made by either major group for a long time. That being said, a little situational awareness about where you live and the tone of the times will go a long way in keeping you out of harms way. Nothing happens in a vaccuum and as this would take a good deal of planning and organizing I would expect that LE would be on top of this and watching the appropriate indicators. This is a good circumstance, however, for those outside of this country that would like to contribute to the current social issues and economic trials that we are facing to insitigate actions to further their cause so I would not be looking only inward but also off shore. In the meantime spreading unfounded rumors are only contributing to the successful information operations agenda established by whomever started them. Do you part and pay attention to what is going on but do not feed the flames by spreading the panic. MSM does not need any help!!!
+1
GB TFS :munchin
BMT (RIP)
10-22-2008, 12:12
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/police-prepare-for-unrest-2008-10-21.html
BMT
anythingrandom
10-23-2008, 04:44
BMT,
Thank you for that article.
I voted early so that I can spend all day watching the election coverage.
Don't discount the agitators ability to instigate violence. With the mainstream media portraying Barack Hussein Obama the inevitable winner, if he ultimately loses, it won't take much for a Maxine Waters to instigate violence (i.e., LA riots).
ELECTION 2008
WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Will black voters be powder keg? 'Kerosene' Maxine Waters demands FBI probe of unconfirmed reports
Posted: October 28, 2008
12:25 am Eastern
The Obama campaign is accusing Republicans of trying to disenfranchise black voters in Detroit and other cities by using home foreclosure lists to turn them away from polls on Election Day.
The charges were initially raised by Democrat Rep. Maxine Waters of the Congressional Black Caucus, prompting Obama and the Democratic National Committee to sue the Michigan GOP.
The federal suit, which campaign lawyers acknowledge is based solely on unconfirmed reports and rumors, also alleges that Ohio Republicans and the Republican National Committee also have schemed to challenge voters who have lost their homes in the battleground state.
Republican officials in both states denied the allegations.
"We're not going to do that," said Michigan Republican Party spokesman Bill Nowling, "and we never talked about doing that."
Last month, Waters, D-Watts – who fanned the flames of the deadly Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, earning her the nickname "Kerosene Maxine" – demanded the FBI investigate the rumors.
"I'm taking the opportunity to sound the alarm so that we are not talking about it after the election and investigating (then)," Waters told FBI Director Robert Mueller in a House Judiciary Committee hearing. "This can be stopped now."
Convinced an actual conspiracy is under way, Waters said, "It's a violation of the Voting Rights Act, and we shouldn't linger with this.
"We've got an election coming up," she added. "And we don't want to see these challenges based on foreclosures, okay?"
Waters helped fuel the 1992 riots in her South Central district of Los Angeles by shouting, "No justice, no peace," along with the rioters, whose murderous behavior she said she found "somewhat understandable."
"I'm just as angry as they are," she said at the time.
James Carville and other Democrat activists have already hinted at similar riots breaking out in heavily black cities in the event Obama, the first African-American presidential nominee, loses the election.
Senior NAACP official Hilary Shelton said blacks would get angry if they felt disenfranchised because of voting irregularities.
"On Election Day," she said, "you may have some tempers flare."
While Shelton said police should prepare to control crowds, she warned against too big a police presence near polls, which she said could intimidate first-time minority voters.
In anticipation of possible unrest, police in Detroit, Chicago, Oakland and Philadelphia are beefing up their ranks for Election Day. Police based the need for enhanced patrols in part on the Internet rumors alleging disenfranchisement.
Obama's campaign also has gone to federal court asking for restraining orders to keep Republicans from allegedly using foreclosure lists to disqualify voters in Michigan and elsewhere.
The mainstream media have bruited about the rumors, which started on a leftwing blog in Michigan.
"Lost your house to foreclosure?" a CNN report asked. "Democrats in Michigan say beware: Republicans want to make sure you lose your vote, too."
Rehashing unconfirmed reports, CNN suggested Republicans are arming election officials with lists of foreclosed homes to make sure "people kicked out of their homes" aren't voting from those addresses.
"Democrats fear Republicans on Election Day will challenge voters whose addresses don't match where they live now – like people who had been kicked out of their homes due to foreclosure," CNN said.
The network then showed a map of more than 5,000 dots denoting foreclosed homes in one Detroit county alone, noting that Democrats believe they are all likely Obama voters.
But election officials there say registered voters who left their foreclosed home for a different address in the same precinct are still eligible to vote. And officials deny the distribution of any foreclosure lists.
A voter registration group tied to Obama is under investigation by the FBI and election agencies in several states. ACORN, an inner-city charity, is accused of fraudulently registering tens of thousands of voters in states where no ID is required.
Slightly more than half of states (see table below) do not require voters to show a drivers license or other proof of residence to vote. Fully 26 states do not ask for documentation to match names or signatures to voter registration cards.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79293