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Plutarch
10-05-2008, 21:11
I searched for this topic, I apologize if it has already been covered -
http://www.palestra.net/news/politics/16349
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...cy.at.risk.cnn
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/02...zzlin-in-ohio/
Massive voter fraud has already begun here in Ohio. The Democrat Secretary of State in Ohio changed the voting rules to allow people to register and vote in one day specifically to swing this state for Obama.
In Franklin County ( Columbus ) and Montgomery County ( Dayton ) Brunner advised the counties that they are not required to have election monitors. In fact, election monitors have been turned away from polling places.
The Democrats are already rounding up homeless people, criminals, and out of state college kids to vote for Obama. They do not have to show any ID, just vote. There is no way to verify who any of them are before the ballots are already counted. This also means that they will be able to vote as many times as they like ( or are paid to vote ).
Ohio is a critical swing state and the liberals are willing to do anything to win it. Today Bruce Springsteen gave a free concert in Columbus for those who would register and vote for Obama. They bussed in hundreds of out of state college kids for this concert, not to mention the thousands of out of staters that attend OSU, but are going to vote illegally in Ohio instead of their home state.
I live in Columbus and know several folks who attend OSU. They have told me that the Dems on campus are really pushing for all the students to vote for Obama during the early voting period, and to vote often.
What is your take on this issue? Is there any way that this election is not going to be a complete trainwreck?
Kyobanim
10-06-2008, 04:45
Send us some absentee balots.
I live in Columbus and know several folks who attend OSU. They have told me that the Dems on campus are really pushing for all the students to vote for Obama during the early voting period, and to vote often.
Sounds like Chicago. :munchin
Would they lie for votes
http://www.crossactionnews.com/articles/view/israeli-generals-say-obama-camp-duped-them
Some say yes.
An ACORN Falls from the Tree
Ken Blackwell
As negotiations over Congress’s emergency rescue bill continued over the weekend, repeated rumors leaked out that the Democrats were trying to funnel money to a hyper-partisan organization involved in criminal voter fraud. I’m speaking of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — known by its acronym, ACORN. Although ACORN was cut from the final legislation, it’s important to understand this organization and its long history with, of all people, Barack Obama. And it’s important to see how partisan this emergency legislation has become.
As the weekend progressed, reports were constantly emerging of the sticking points preventing a final agreement. One of these reputed points of contention was whether 20 percent of the profit proceedings for asset sales in the future would go to what is called the Housing Trust Fund, subsidizing certain groups for ostensibly nonpartisan activity. One of these groups that this trust supports is ACORN.
ACORN has often been in the news since 2004. Officially, they work to register voters and support housing. In reality, everyone in public life knows that they are hardcore supporters for the Democratic Party, and employ bare-knuckle tactics. Their organization is plagued by repeated investigations of voter fraud and other crimes.
In Ohio, where as secretary of state I oversaw elections for eight years, ACORN has been busy. One ACORN man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of voter fraud, and another was indicted in Columbus. Other such problems surfaced in Cuyahoga County, where criminal investigations are ongoing.
It’s not just Ohio. ACORN personnel are facing criminal charges in over a dozen states. In Washington State, for example, seven ACORN leaders had felony charges filed against them for voter fraud.
And there’s an unexpected twist. One of the organizations accused of pushing banks into making many of the unwise loans at the heart of the current crisis is … ACORN. Now that’s ironic. An organization that possibly contributed to our current financial profits is now being considered to make money off of it. And by “money,” I’m referring to your tax money.
Twice already this year Congress has funneled money to ACORN. Some report that February’s economic stimulus included funds for ACORN, as did the bill to help people struggling with mortgages passed this April.
What deserves closer scrutiny is Barack Obama’s history with ACORN. Obama cites Saul Alinsky, a self-acknowledged radical who advocated extreme acts to achieve social goals, as one of his inspirations.
ACORN follows the Saul Alinsky model. After Obama graduated from Harvard, he went to work for ACORN in Chicago. Mr. Obama then became a trainer for ACORN, teaching others how to employ ACORN tactics in voter registration drives.
This ACORN involvement coincides with the increasing partisanship of this situation.
Congressional Democrats, and specifically Mr. Obama, are now saying that the problem underlying all this is “deregulation,” pushed by the Republicans. There are two fundamental flaws with this allegation.
First, this is not deregulation. This is not the private sector. Fannie and Freddie are government creations, that pay their executives millions of dollars but are shielded with your tax money from suffering the downside risk of the market. Engage in racetrack-style financing, they must be strictly controlled. Deregulation is about keeping government from hobbling the private sector and hamstringing its ingenuity and productivity. Deregulation does not apply.
Second, Republicans have tried to rein in Fannie and Freddie. Republican attempts to reform them in 1999 failed. In 2003, when Alan Greenspan testified about how Fannie and Freddie’s loose practices could endanger our financial system, it was Democrat Barney Frank who said these institutions were fundamentally sound, and should be more aggressive in getting loans to low-income people. In 2005, a Republican reform passed the Senate Banking Committee on a party-line vote, only to be blocked by Democrats from passing the full Senate. And in 2006 when John McCain spoke on the Senate floor of the need to reform Fannie and Freddie immediately, Democrats (including Barack Obama) would not respond.
You can also see where Fannie and Freddie look for protection by where they direct their money. Public records show that the top two recipients of Fannie/Freddie campaign contributions are Sens. Chris Dodd and Barack Obama, taking $165,000 and $126,000, respectively. Dodd, who chairs the Senate Banking Committee, and Mr. Obama, who says he’s going to remedy the whole situation.
It suddenly seems so clear why Democrats want ACORN to get some of the taxpayers’ money. I have unapologetically criticized Republicans, some by name, for out-of-control spending, lack of accountability, and other inexcusable actions that have tarnished the GOP and disserved the nation. And there are other issues that are either both parties’ fault, or no one’s fault.
But here, the Democrats are squarely to blame. They have resisted all attempts at reforming Fannie and Freddie, and pushed those organizations to become ever more reckless in their policies. This made the investments on Wall Street carrying those tainted mortgages go from bad to worse, and now we’re in a crisis and on the verge of a meltdown.
This is inexcusable. And if independent voters figure this out, their outrage over this situation will suddenly be directed against the party that pushed these disastrous policies. So Democrats want ACORN to get as much funding as possible, because they might need some new votes in their column on Election Day.
Voter fraud is in one sense the worst crime against democracy. The sole means of democratically choosing leaders is through voting. Every voter gets an equal vote. Every citizen who is a law-abiding adult has an equal voice in who will govern us. Our vote is sacred. Those engaging in voter fraud are in one sense no different than who intimidated voters at the polls in years past. Voter fraud may not be attended by the suffering that accompanied the beatings and water hoses of those days, but the assault on democracy is no less real.
ACORN is a discredited organization, and far too many of its leaders and workers have been prosecuted for felonies against democracy. The idea that a single dime of taxpayer money would ever go to such a group is an outrage.
And Mr. Obama needs to explain his involvement with them.
Richard :munchin
jamber97
10-06-2008, 08:13
I searched for this topic, I apologize if it has already been covered -
http://www.palestra.net/news/politics/16349
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...cy.at.risk.cnn
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/02...zzlin-in-ohio/
Massive voter fraud has already begun here in Ohio. The Democrat Secretary of State in Ohio changed the voting rules to allow people to register and vote in one day specifically to swing this state for Obama.
In Franklin County ( Columbus ) and Montgomery County ( Dayton ) Brunner advised the counties that they are not required to have election monitors. In fact, election monitors have been turned away from polling places.
The Democrats are already rounding up homeless people, criminals, and out of state college kids to vote for Obama. They do not have to show any ID, just vote. There is no way to verify who any of them are before the ballots are already counted. This also means that they will be able to vote as many times as they like ( or are paid to vote ).
Ohio is a critical swing state and the liberals are willing to do anything to win it. Today Bruce Springsteen gave a free concert in Columbus for those who would register and vote for Obama. They bussed in hundreds of out of state college kids for this concert, not to mention the thousands of out of staters that attend OSU, but are going to vote illegally in Ohio instead of their home state.
I live in Columbus and know several folks who attend OSU. They have told me that the Dems on campus are really pushing for all the students to vote for Obama during the early voting period, and to vote often.
What is your take on this issue? Is there any way that this election is not going to be a complete trainwreck?
If true, that is very disturbing.
If true, that is very disturbing.
Your side and ACORN are cheering this stuff on.
Team Sergeant
10-06-2008, 08:43
It's comforting to see nothing changes in this country.
"Vote early and vote often."
-- Al Capone
jamber97
10-06-2008, 09:02
Your side and ACORN are cheering this stuff on.
My side? Funny stuff. I make decisions in life on a case by case basis, not according to what side or group one thinks I'm in. This liberal vs. conservative confrontation might as well be a civil war. Its divisive and counter productive and blinds people to the failings of either side.
My side? Funny stuff. I make decisions in life on a case by case basis, not according to what side or group one thinks I'm in. This liberal vs. conservative confrontation might as well be a civil war. Its divisive and counter productive and blinds people to the failings of either side.
It is interesting that all the "They" questions and statements we make about the left are defended by you with "I". "I" does not equal "They".
ACORN lives by voter fraud, democratic support and money (a lot of it tax payer money).
Plutarch
10-06-2008, 09:46
This is from Obama's site -
"If you are not registered, you can still vote early! And, if you vote early before October 25th no ID is required!"
Apparently self proclaimed "Hip Hop Leader" Russell Simmons put on a free music festival here in Columbus across the street from Veterans Memorial where early voting is taking place.
greenberetTFS
10-06-2008, 10:00
This is from Obama's site -
"If you are not registered, you can still vote early! And, if you vote early before October 25th no ID is required!"
Apparently self proclaimed "Hip Hop Leader" Russell Simmons put on a free music festival here in Columbus across the street from Veterans Memorial where early voting is taking place.
Guys,
You know what really gets to me is that in this day and age, s**t like this happens.... Unbeieveable......:rolleyes:
GB TFS :munchin
Dozer523
10-06-2008, 10:23
It's comforting to see nothing changes in this country.
"Vote early and vote often."
-- Al Capone
And bring a couple of dead guys with you! we're talking Chicago-style votin' here!!
jamber97
10-06-2008, 10:28
It is interesting that all the "They" questions and statements we make about the left are defended by you with "I". "I" does not equal "They".
ACORN lives by voter fraud, democratic support and money (a lot of it tax payer money).
I would respond in the same manner if the statements were made about the right. Certain elements of my stance on issues consist of beliefs on both sides of the aisle. The main reason you don't hear more conservative leanings from me is because that's pretty well covered here.
Dozer523
10-06-2008, 10:32
It is interesting that all the "They" questions and statements we make about the left are defended by you with "I". "I" does not equal "They".
ACORN lives by voter fraud, democratic support and money (a lot of it tax payer money).
Well . . . I guess I'm mostly a "they" too. But I say "I". Not sure if I'm trying to be gramatically correct (there are some serious "red-pen" critics here:p) or personal responsibility.:lifter. No matter what happens in Nov we're still Amur-i-cans (Wake up America!) and we'll survive. We managed Nixon and Carter didn't we?
This won't count against me in my vetting. will it?
Plutarch
10-08-2008, 17:58
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/07/acorn-vegas-office-raided-voter-fraud-investigation/
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20081008/pl_usnw/republican_national_committee__acorn___voter_regis tration_fraud_in_mo
Apparently Acorn is hard at work in Nevada and Missouri as well as Ohio. How much documented voter fraud does it take to void election results?
If this election is indefinitely tied up in court, does that mean that President Bush gets a third term? :D
its not that it happens that surprises me... its that intelligent people in sufficient numbers dont seem to find this as aberrant behavior
why is there no large scale national outrage?
JustinW20
10-09-2008, 12:19
its not that it happens that surprises me... its that intelligent people in sufficient numbers dont seem to find this as aberrant behavior
why is there no large scale national outrage?
It’s sad, but it seems as a society we’ve lost our capacity for outrage, at least when it comes to the actions of our government. “Everybody does it” seems to be the new mantra. When a young girl can become a minor celebrity just by making a sex tape; the fact that a presidential candidate worked with a known, domestic terrorist seems trivial. Congress has no problem playing the blame game in the current crisis, but the people don’t bat an eye when an additional $150B of pork is added to the $700B bailout bill.
We seem to have been on a slow slide for quite some time now and I have serious concerns about our future.
I would respond in the same manner if the statements were made about the right. Certain elements of my stance on issues consist of beliefs on both sides of the aisle. The main reason you don't hear more conservative leanings from me is because that's pretty well covered here.
Sorry to butt in here, forgive me if you will Jamber and Pete.
From what I read it would appear Pete was critizing the Democratic Party and ACORN. I would imagine that would be why he posted the response that he did, in that " 'They' does not equal 'I' ".
You seem to have taken that criticism personally when it (apparently) was not. Instead of justifying your own actions in a partisan manner, perhaps you should investigate what the Democratic Party and ACORN are doing , and deciding whether you agree with THEIR actions or not. That is if you haven't already.
Just my 2 ever-devaluing cents,
- Doc Z
Red Flag 1
10-11-2008, 06:30
its not that it happens that surprises me... its that intelligent people in sufficient numbers dont seem to find this as aberrant behavior
why is there no large scale national outrage?
I expect that there is plenty of outrage over this. With the bulk of the media in the tank for BHO, it simply will not be covered. Some of the outrage that IS covered can be seen at McCain events. I see coverage of folks reacting to McCain's gentlemanly handling of BHO. Folks do not like it one bit and they are showing it.
ACORN motto could well be, " Vote early, and vote often" ! :mad:
My $.02. :munchin
RF 1
The problem is not even John McCain is able to show outrage...
It is unpleasant to say, but it seems like John McCain has thrown in the towel. If he can't even listen to his voter base while he is RUNNING for office how can anyone expect the man to serve them once he "takes" power...
The republican voters from coast to coast seem to have made one thing clear to the good senator... "out" this bum as the lying cheating underhanded scalawag that he really is
What is McCains reply? 'Dont be afraid of Obama he is a good and honorable man.'
Senator McCain are you shitting me? Right this moment John McCain deserves to be absolutely humiliated in the biggest landslide defeat in electoral history.
Its about time for me to start researching which of the independent party candidates I am going to waste my vote on.
Its about time for me to start researching which of the independent party candidates I am going to waste my vote on.
Bob Barr for me. Libertarian is the only Party I actually agree with on all their bases.
lp.org (http://www.lp.org)
It's beginning to become obvious...and not just in Ohio...and to the point it was on CBS News last night and looks ugly. This is voter fraud, plain and simple. The news showed ACORN in a bad light, and I hope people were watching.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4514540n
The political cartoonists are beginning to pick up on it, too. (attchd)
This is an interesting conundrum for the Dems who, once upon a time, prided themselves, with considerable reason, as the staunchest defenders of free speech. But today's liberals seem to be taking their marching orders from the college and university campuses where administrators, armed with speech codes, have for years been disciplining and subjecting to sensitivity training any students who dare to utter thoughts that liberals find offensive. The campuses that used to pride themselves as zones of free expression are now the least free part of our society. :mad:
Obama supporters who find the campuses so congenial to their "change" matra and Obama himself, who has lived his adult life in university communities, seem to find it entirely natural to suppress speech that they don't like--and seem oblivious to claims that this violates the letter and spirit of the First Amendment. In this campaign, I fear we have seen the coming of the Obamunism, suppressing free speech...and we may see it growing in the four years ahead. :(
As far as McCain is concerned, I think (hope) he is just trying to not look like the tempermental hot-head for which he is branded, that he is trying to look as if he can be a cool, calculating, and reasonable POTUS when having to deal with such high-stress matters to try and appeal to the high percentage of still undecided voters. I hope that is what he is doing...and I hope it works.
Richard's $.02 :munchin
The dead should be able to vote. At least thats what some think.
http://www.click2houston.com/investigates/17671375/detail.html
Now just think on this a minute. If elections were close and the Republican dead were voting don't you think D's would be making a big stink on the issue?
Voter ID NOW!
The dead should be able to vote. At least thats what some think.
Hey, if it worked for LBJ... ;)
Richard :munchin
Plutarch
10-14-2008, 15:12
And on it goes. Is it normal to register 72 times for the same election? :rolleyes:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10092008/news/politics/nuts__132771.htm
"ACORN's Cleveland spokesman, Kris Harsh, said his group collected 100,000 voter-registration cards; only about 50 were questionable, he claimed.
As for workers, "We watch them like a hawk," he said. "
Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now
Finally we know what a community orgaizer does: plans/executes voter fraud.
And all this time I thought Obama was just incompetent when he is really criminally immoral.
I'm getting a bit pessimistic. I spent some time with Senator Obama's "memoirs" for the first time last night. (It amazes me that he could finish both works. One would think that a man would destroy his shoulders after patting himself on the back page after page after page.)
Do people really believe that the man who wrote those words is the same person who gets tongue tied so easily on the stump? Do people really believe that a man with such a painfully facile understanding of American history and politics actually has intellect he professes?
Last night, I came to the conclusion that it wouldn't matter if McCain were to offer an airtight argument that demonstrated that Senator Obama isn't who he says.
The republican voters from coast to coast seem to have made one thing clear to the good senator... "out" this bum as the lying cheating underhanded scalawag that he really is
What is McCains reply? 'Dont be afraid of Obama he is a good and honorable man.'
Senator McCain are you shitting me? Right this moment John McCain deserves to be absolutely humiliated in the biggest landslide defeat in electoral history.
Politically, McCain's comment may singal a capitulation but to me the statement captures the man's decency. While Senator Obama stokes fears with half-baked arguments, Senator McCain attempts to reach out to the best parts of us. Once again, McCain has put the interests of his country ahead of his own. Can his opponent say the same?
ACORN wants Socialism bad here in this country and now, Summit County is under the gun from ACORN and its voting ways. Looks like they did allot of damage here too.
Defender968
10-15-2008, 08:52
ACORN wants Socialism bad here in this country and now, Summit County is under the gun from ACORN and its voting ways. Looks like they did allot of damage here too.
ACORN and the Dims are trying to steal this election, and what kills me is they're holding the mantra that everything but the economy is a distraction.
So I was watching Fox news this morning, and they were discussing the voter fraud in Ohio and other states, and of course had a Dim and a Republican on to get their take on it. The Republican was saying how dangerous this issue was and how concerned the public should be, and to my utter shock and dismay the Dim shrugged it off and said it was just a distracter... a distracter...you can't make this stuff up... and without the wave of the hand he basically said this is not the issue the public should be concerned with.
Now not 20 minutes later the Fox newscasters were talking about freedom of speech and brought up the myriad of ways that BHO and his campaign have tried to stifle at best the freedom of speech, they brought up several instances we've discussed here but they also brought up a new one I haven't heard of, specifically about a journalist who is researching the Ayres-Obama connection. This gentleman was going on a news show of some sort and the Obama campaign basically had their supporters flood the phone lines and email servers so no one could ask questions about his research. They went on to bring up the truth squads in Missouri, and the Dim interrupted him and again said this is all a distraction, these are not the issues the public cares about.
About another 10 minutes later, the Fox newscasters started talking to yet another Dim and Republican about the strategy of McCain going into this debate, and the newscaster asked about if McCain should bring up the Rev Wright, Ayres and other associations. Of course the Republican said if McCain brings it up he needs to make the point that these associations speak to the character of BHO, and again this 3rd Dim without the wave of the hand said this is yet another distraction, this is not an issue the American people care about.
So the BHO campaign thinks that the 1st amendment and their assault on it is not something we the little people who are clinging to our guns and religion should be worried about, we shouldn't worry about the fact that with the help of ACORN the Dims will try to take away our right to choose our elected officials through fraud and deception, further we shouldn't worry about the character and the unabashed ambition of a man who has was willing to knowingly associate with a murderous terrorist and self professed Marxist to further his political ambitions.
So if the Dims keep saying that our freedom, our rights and the character of a potential leader of the country are not important, and are "distractions" I fear many may start to believe it.
These are not the droids you are looking for.... :rolleyes:
A thought provoking post.
Imagine if a civilian such as myself were to go into a job interview and were to dictate the questions I should be asked and the questions I would answer. "Questions about my expertise? My training? My certification? My employment history? Those are distractions."
To me, the most outrageous and contemptible of Senator Obama's behaviors.
I do think we may be a bit too broad when we argue all Democrats are falling into line and not noticing. Some express a degree of concern. Will these displays of concern lead to serious reconsideration? One can only hope.
So if the Dims keep saying that our freedom, our rights and the character of a potential leader of the country are not important, and are "distractions" I fear many may start to believe it.
These are not the droids you are looking for.... :rolleyes:
Plutarch
10-27-2008, 22:23
I voted today - AAR
The democrats had a homeless guy outside the door to Vets Memorial handing out democrat sample ballots to everyone as they went in. They were bright blue, with Obama's picture and 'Democrats for Change' on one side, the sample ballot on the other.
There was a two hour wait in line, so there was plenty of time for everyone to read their sample ballot and get 'educated' on the issues. :rolleyes:
The poll workers handed out blank registration forms to everyone in line, and told us all to put away our ID's, as they were not needed. You simply wrote in your name, address, and the last four of your SSN. Everything was on the honor system.
You handed in your voter registration form, and were given a ballot. After voting, you put your ballot in an envelope. On the envelope, you again voluntarily put down the last four digits of your SSN. That was it.
Secretary Brunner has already called for all the ballots to be seperated from the envelopes. After the election they will only be able to tell how many false voters they had, not who they voted for. I'm sure they will claim that they were all for McCain.
Ohio is screwed.