The Traitor

[greenberetTFS]

THE TRAITOR!

I came across this info and thought long & hard as to posting it. I decided to go ahead and let you guys read it. I don't necessarily think you need to pass it on as suggested. I didn't check it out on Snopes either! I figured that if a man puts his name on this with where he can be reached to verify, he's telling the truth. I agree with him that she should be held accountable for her actions in Hanoi and put on trial as a traitor..........

Long after she's dead, people will wonder how she did what she did and was never put on trial. Some thought being married to Tom Hayden was punishment enough. Many thought there was no such thing as enough, nor was there anything like justice around.

YES SHE WAS A TRAITOR..!!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Jane_Fonda_cropped.jpg

In Memory of my brother-in-law LT. C. Thomsen Wieland who spent 100 days at the Hanoi Hilton

She really was a Traitor

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED!!??

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA!

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who do not remember, and didn't have to bear the burden that our fathers, mothers and older brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the '100 Women of the Century.'

BY BARBRA WALTERS

Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country, but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam

The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison the ' Hanoi Hilton.' Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American 'Peace Activist' the 'lenient and humane treatment' he'd received.

He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed and was dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward on to the camp Commandant 's feet which sent that officer berserk

In 1978, the Air Force Colonel still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying career) from the commandant's frenzied application of a wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the 'Hanoi Hilton',,, the first three of which his family only knew he was 'missing in action'. His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned-up, fed and get word to the world that they were alive and still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his Social Security Number on it, in the palm of his hand.

When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: 'Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?' and 'Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?'

Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him all the little pieces of paper.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.

Colonel Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know of her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam , and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held prisoner for over 5 years.

I spent 27 months in solitary confinement; one year in a cage in Cambodia ; and one year in a 'black box' in Hanoi .
My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam , whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed only about 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's 'war criminals.'

When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi , I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received...and how different it was from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by her as 'humane and lenient.'

Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees, with my arms outstretched with a large steel weights placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane.

I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda soon after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She never did answer me.

These first-hand experiences do not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women.'
Lest we forget...' 100 Years of Great Women' should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.

There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.

RONALD D. SAMPSON, CMSgt, USAF
716 Maintenance Squadron, Chief of Maintenance
DSN: 875-6431
COMM: 883-63

GB TFS :(

[Richard]

Guys,

This is a mixed bag of info at best--according to snopes http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

However, there is an event in December of this year for which JFF is to be honored :mad: and here is the text of the letter I sent to the Governator.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

2 September 2008

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, California 95814


Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,

In reviewing the list of legendary Californians to be inducted into the California Museum’s Hall of Fame on 15 December 2008, I was both surprised and dismayed to see that Jane Fonda was to be so honored. I would like to explain my feelings on this matter to you and your wife.

As a native Californian from the Sacramento area who was drafted and then became a volunteer for Special Forces training, I was a young Special Forces Medical NCO serving in the 7th Special Forces Group in 1972 prior to serving in Southeast Asia. I was on guard duty one evening and preparing to go out on shift when the evening news was on the television in the guard house. A report was being given on Ms Fonda’s recent visit to North Vietnam and the accompanying video showed her visiting a North Vietnamese military unit. She listened attentively as the NVA soldiers described how they had shot down an American aircraft and then she posed on their antiaircraft gun while wearing an NVA helmet. Ms Fonda was all smiles in the video…and I cannot convey to you the anger that was felt and shown by all who were present in the room during that news broadcast.

Ms. Fonda, who was 34 at the time of her visit, willfully propagandized on behalf of the North Vietnamese, declared that American POWs were being treated humanely, and condemned American soldiers as ‘war criminals’—and then later denounced the POWs as liars after they had been released and told of how they had been tortured. But as history has proven, it was Ms Fonda who was the liar and who refuses to apologize for her actions.

There are many Americans who still feel Ms Fonda’s actions were traitorous and deserve punishment as outlined in the Holtzer’s book, “Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam.” Whether or not she is ever tried for treason, I personally feel that her actions can neither be forgotten nor forgiven, and that she should never be rewarded with any honor such as her induction into the California Museum’s Hall of Fame. In my opinion, Ms Fonda has received far more recognition than she deserves in her lifetime and I--if offered such an honor--would be embarrassed to be an inductee into a group in which Ms Fonda is included.

Respectfully,

(Signed)
Major (retired), US Army Special Forces

[BryanK]

Maybe the Governator needs to see this article/pictures :mad:
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

[Richard]

I used to dream about JFF being medevaced to my dispensary in her Maidenform bra and NVA helmet so I could catheterize her with det cord...but forced myself to quit because the supply sergeant got tired of me begging to exchange the soiled sheets every morning for clean ones. :D

Richard :munchin

[greenberetTFS]

Richard,

With regards to your letter I believe your right on point.....Did you get a response from him? With regards to Snopes, I, like Team Sargent, think they are becoming more "liberal"and leaning to the left than "non-objective" as they claim....:(

GB TFS :munchin

[Richard]

Richard,

With regards to your letter I believe your right on point.....Did you get a response from him? With regards to Snopes, I like Team Sargent, think they are becoming more "liberal"and leaning to the left than "non-objective" as they claim....:(

GB TFS :munchin

Snopes runs a bit hot and cold, but the research piece on this is pretty good. You should read the Holzer's book, it is really good on this subject.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

[SF_BHT]

Guys,

This is a mixed bag of info at best--according to snopes http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp

However, there is an event in December of this year for which JFF is to be honored :mad: and here is the text of the letter I sent to the Governator.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

2 September 2008

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, California 95814


Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,

In reviewing the list of legendary Californians to be inducted into the California Museum’s Hall of Fame on 15 December 2008, I was both surprised and dismayed to see that Jane Fonda was to be so honored. I would like to explain my feelings on this matter to you and your wife.

As a native Californian from the Sacramento area who was drafted and then became a volunteer for Special Forces training, I was a young Special Forces Medical NCO serving in the 7th Special Forces Group in 1972 prior to serving in Southeast Asia. I was on guard duty one evening and preparing to go out on shift when the evening news was on the television in the guard house. A report was being given on Ms Fonda’s recent visit to North Vietnam and the accompanying video showed her visiting a North Vietnamese military unit. She listened attentively as the NVA soldiers described how they had shot down an American aircraft and then she posed on their antiaircraft gun while wearing an NVA helmet. Ms Fonda was all smiles in the video…and I cannot convey to you the anger that was felt and shown by all who were present in the room during that news broadcast.

Ms. Fonda, who was 34 at the time of her visit, willfully propagandized on behalf of the North Vietnamese, declared that American POWs were being treated humanely, and condemned American soldiers as ‘war criminals’—and then later denounced the POWs as liars after they had been released and told of how they had been tortured. But as history has proven, it was Ms Fonda who was the liar and who refuses to apologize for her actions.

There are many Americans who still feel Ms Fonda’s actions were traitorous and deserve punishment as outlined in the Holtzer’s book, “Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam.” Whether or not she is ever tried for treason, I personally feel that her actions can neither be forgotten nor forgiven, and that she should never be rewarded with any honor such as her induction into the California Museum’s Hall of Fame. In my opinion, Ms Fonda has received far more recognition than she deserves in her lifetime and I--if offered such an honor--would be embarrassed to be an inductee into a group in which Ms Fonda is included.

Respectfully,

(Signed)
Major (retired), US Army Special Forces

Richard Good Letter....:cool: I doubt he will respond. Let us know if he does.

[Surf n Turf]

I cannot convey to you the anger that was felt and shown by all who were present in the room during that news broadcast.

There are many Americans who still feel Ms Fonda’s actions were traitorous and deserve punishment as outlined in the Holtzer’s book, “Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam.” Whether or not she is ever tried for treason, I personally feel that her actions can neither be forgotten nor forgiven, and that she should never be rewarded with any honor such as her induction into the California Museum’s Hall of Fame. In my opinion, Ms Fonda has received far more recognition than she deserves in her lifetime and I--if offered such an honor--would be embarrassed to be an inductee into a group in which Ms Fonda is included.



Richard,
We were also shocked and G*d damn MAD when my unit saw the video.
It was, and is, Treason.

SnT

[greenberetTFS]

Snopes runs a bit hot and cold, but the research piece on this is pretty good. You should read the Holzer's book, it is really good on this subject.

Richard's $.02 :munchin

Richard,

I will get my hands on Holzer's book....Interested.

GB TFS :munchin

[JJ_BPK]

I used to dream about JFF being medevaced to my dispensary in her Maidenform bra and NVA helmet so I could catheterize her with det cord...but forced myself to quit because the supply sergeant got tired of me begging to exchange the soiled sheets every morning for clean ones. :D

Richard :munchin

Richard

Great letter to Arnold,, and I think you should have put this last sentence in also... :D:cool:

[sg1987]

Somewhat related to this ......Hanoi Jane's actions were criminal and she got away with it.:mad:

So were Ted Kenedy's
as did OJ Simson

I was curious as to what other famous Americans "got away with it."
Any thoughts come to mind?

[SF_BHT]

Somewhat related to this ......Hanoi Jane's actions were criminal and she got away with it.:mad:

So were Ted Kenedy's
as did OJ Simson

I was curious as to what other famous Americans "got away with it."
Any thoughts come to mind?

Kennedy and OJ have nothing to do with an act of Treason or sedition.
Stay on subject.:munchin

[greenberetTFS]

Being honored as part of '100 Years of Great Women"...............:mad:.


To all QP's........:(

She really is a
traitor........ :mad:

A TRAITOR IS ABOUT TO BE HONORED............:mad:

[Dusty]

Reminds me of when John Kerry said he threw away his medals.

And to think he was nearly elected POTUS...

[ZonieDiver]

Reminds me of when John Kerry said he threw away his medals.

And to think he was nearly elected POTUS...

And like a lot of guys from that era, he most likely sought to have them replaced when it was suddenly fashionable to have "served"!

Most guys that I know from those days who took the "anti-war" route did it more to get laid then from any political beliefs. It was definitely not fun to be on college campus as a vet during the 70's. For many, it was easier to throw away your honor, just so you could be "accepted" - at least that's the way I see it! :D

[GrumpyMedic]

You guys who lived through and served in that era are my heros. Stepping forward when called, when it was so unpopular to do so? Now that's honor.
Thank you one and all!

As for Jane...
"The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court."

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t103.htm"]http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t103.htm

Constitution spells it out in black and white.

I don't care if she's in her '70s, she should stand trial. People like her throw the protections guaranteed by the constitution (paid for with the blood of patriots) in the face of others when they're questioned about the blather drooling from their mouths. "I have the freedom of speech granted by the First Amendment of the Constitution.....", ect, ect.
It seems to me, that if you want the freedoms, then you should be subject to all of what the constitution says.
IMHO.

Grumpy

[incarcerated]

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Fonda+no+longer+welcome+to+s peak+at+Nashua+CC+event&articleId=4906887c-6984-485f-b1c6-bf6616f33f9f

Fonda no longer welcome to speak at Nashua CC event

By KIMBERLY HOUGHTON
Sunday News Correspondent
14 hours, 3 minutes ago
NASHUA – Following a community outcry, organizers of a respected women's seminar have retracted their invitation to have actress Jane Fonda speak at the event.

With threats of a possible protest looming, Fonda will no longer serve as the keynote speaker for the New Hampshire Women's Leadership Summit scheduled for June 10 at Nashua Community College.

Last week, several veterans spoke in opposition of Fonda's public appearance in New Hampshire, calling her a traitor and anti-American.

"In recent days, we have heard voices in our community expressing moving objections to the selection of our main keynote speaker," Dr. Annabel Beerel, founder of the summit, wrote in a statement issued Friday. "While the summit encourages public discourse and diverse opinions, we do not wish to cause pain to our veterans. In addition to the many outstanding presenters and panels scheduled, we are working on engaging a new keynote (speaker) for the conference."

"She had accepted," college president Lucille Jordan said Saturday of Fonda. "But the Summit has disinvited her."

In the 1960s, Fonda engaged in political activism in opposition to the Vietnam War. She visited Hanoi, North Vietnam, in the early 1970s, where she was photographed seated on an anti-aircraft gun.

She was initially invited to speak at the summit, a professional event designed to forward careers for women, as a long-time supporter of feminist causes and to help empower females and promote women's health, according to Beerel.

After the New Hampshire Union Leader reported on Wednesday that some New Hampshire veterans were outraged the controversial actress was invited to speak, Beerel on Friday said, "She is going to be replaced."

Beerel refused to answer any further questions about the decision.

"I'm delighted. We accomplished our goal," said Roland Petersen, 72, one of the veterans opposed to having Fonda serve as the keynote speaker. "I wanted the publicity because I don't want anybody in the country considering honoring her."

The simple invitation to speak is an honor in and of itself, according to Petersen, who served 21 years in the U.S. Air Force and is active with the American Legion Coffey Post in Nashua.

He hopes the Women's Leadership Summit is a success this summer, but said it would be in the group's best interest to use better judgment when selecting future speakers for its events.

"Some have said that this is just a freedom-of-speech issue, but I think this goes well beyond that," Petersen maintained.

Bill Stergios of Candia contacted Jordan last week about the matter, asking the summit to find a replacement speaker who would not offend the men and women who had fought for our country or belittle the sacrifices of those who had died in war.

"Ms. Fonda's behavior during the Vietnam War was traitorous. She actually took part in propaganda against the United States," Stergios wrote. "This issue has needlessly opened up old wounds for a lot of veterans and people who lived through that time."

Jordan contacted Stergios on Friday, telling him the college would no longer be hosting an event where Fonda was a speaker and explaining that the summit has retracted her invitation to speak.

Prior to the decision to withdraw Fonda as the keynote speaker, Beerel admitted that Fonda brings to mind some controversial issues, but so do many other well-known people. She stressed that Fonda was invited to speak as a fitness guru and that her address was not intended to be politically motivated.

Fonda has attempted to re-create herself and her image, Beerel said earlier, stressing her questionable flaws occurred 40 years ago.

Acknowledging that the Vietnam War was a time of great sensitivity, Beerel said she can understand that some veterans may be concerned because of Fonda's prior opposition to the American cause.

This year's summit program, which is in its fourth year, is filled with many guest speakers. In her statement on Friday, Beerel said she is looking forward to an inspiring day filled with many learning and networking opportunities.

[tonyz]

New Hampshire...an island of sanity surrounded by a sea of ever growing New England liberalism.

If I ever have to permanently return to New England let it be to the sovereign state of New Hampshire.

The Massachusetts Women's Leadership Summit (or equivalent) would have made Jane queen for life...despite Bawney Fwank's claim to the crown.

Good job - good news !

[greenberetTFS]

Reminds me of when John Kerry said he threw away his medals.

And to think he was nearly elected POTUS...

Dusty that prick is really a f**king disgrase to the men who served in Vietnam......He supposedly got "3 Purple Hearts"...........That is a lie and he's a fraud,the men who received that medal deserved it because they received it the hard way,they really "earned" it...............:(

Big Teddy :munchin

[219seminole]

Speaking of Kerry...did he spend any time in a hospital for any of those PHs?

Jane F. is one piece of heartburn I still carry around with me after 40 years. The photo of her and the AAA gun didn't go over well for a lot of guys on flight pay. (Just breathe deeply and let it go.)

A tip of Hatlo's Hat to the good folks in NH, a state I admire.

[Gypsy]

May she never get another public speaking engagement.

[Susa]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/6547112-418/qvc-cancels-jane-fonda-over-vietnam-related-boycott-threats.html

GOOD!! Hit her in the pocketbook!

[Richard]

And here's what she whose name I won't say had to say about it the cancellation. Interesting perspective. :rolleyes:

http://janefonda.com/qvc-cancelled-my-appearance/

And so it goes...

Richard

[Pete]

What?

Does she think that famous picture was taken on a Hollywood set in CA?

It was used as propaganda.

Richard, you have to remember Trashing America is the highest calling a lib can aspire to. To them that's a great American.

Remember the Dixie Chicks? The Dixie Who's?

[akv]

What Jane said Re: QVC

Bottom line, this has gone on far too long, this spreading of lies about me! None of it is true. NONE OF IT! I love my country. I have never done anything to hurt my country or the men and women who have fought and continue to fight for us. I do not understand what the far right stands to gain by continuing with these myths. In this case, they denied a lot of people the chance to hear about a book that can help make life better, easier and more fulfilling. I am deeply grateful for all of the support I have been getting since this happened, including from my Vietnam Veterans friends.YGBSM! :mad:


What the traitorous twit meant to say;

"These pesky veterans groups from both sides of the aisle are still all pissed off I betrayed my country. I mostly got away with it and made some good coin en route. Luckily for me the same self absorbed insecure sheep who buy my merchandise, don't read history books or give a crap about the pain I caused our servicemen, so I will just lie my ass off. Every once in a while someone remembers and there is a flare up, you know kinda like my anal warts, vexing but temporary..."


http://janefonda.com/qvc-cancelled-my-appearance/

[mojaveman]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/6547112-418/qvc-cancels-jane-fonda-over-vietnam-related-boycott-threats.html

GOOD!! Hit her in the pocketbook!

Glad to hear it.

Her actions are going to haunt her until the day she dies.

Getting spit on was nothing, she's lucky some nutjob hasn't really tried to hurt her.

[tonyz]

"Bottom line, this has gone on far too long, this spreading of lies about me! None of it is true. NONE OF IT! I love my country. I have never done anything to hurt my country or the men and women who have fought and continue to fight for us."

The self delusion is stunning although not surprising - 80% of us want to increase our own taxes.

[219seminole]

She whose name I won't mention...thank you, Richard, for her new moniker. SWNIWM, for short.

SWNIWM sitting on the AAA gun is still the only sore spot for me after 40 years. I was C-130 aircrew and watching AAA from a slow moving aircraft is not fun. She is 11 years older than I am, so she should have known better back then. She lives in a dream world if she does not understand.:boohoo

[incarcerated]

.... she's lucky some nutjob hasn't really tried to hurt her.

Nah! A nutjob will never hurt another nutjob. They respect their own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HrKadt7xCk


:rolleyes: