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With the RNC a couple of weeks away, and McCain waiting until then to announce who his VP running mate will be, (as with BHO next week at the DNC), who do you think will be on the ticket with McCain?
We've been hearing, as of late, these names being thrown out....
Mike Huckabee
Joe Lieberman
Mitt Romney
....but I'd like to add these two names to that list....
Fred Thompson
Condi Rice
For me, I'd like to see Condi on that ticket. She would "trump" the Dem's "female" and "race" issues in one fell swoop. Also, she knows Washington and as SecState, she knows the issues.
Fred Thompson has said he wouldn't run for VP...
I like Condi. Wouldn't that just frost Hillary's ass? :D
ZonieDiver
08-18-2008, 19:13
Charlie Crist - governor of Florida!
Although I like Condi, McCain can't risk having anyone from this administration on his ticket if he is trying to seperate himself from Bush and Bush policies and not be seen as what the media is labeling a "3rd Bush Term" JMO.
I know I'll get smacked for this one, but I like Joe Lieberman, and that would really be a kick to the Dems. Pelosi has already come out and said he needs to watch his back. The only reason they all tolerate him is because he still votes with them a majority of the time and they need the votes right now. After the elections I have a feeling the Dems are going to have a supermajority in the Senate and he is expendable at that point. I have a feeling moving a little right of center would not be difficult for Senator Lieberman.
They are saying Obama is going to announce tomorrow. I think it will be better strategically for McCain to announce after that. May actually pull a little of the media away from Obama for a little while at least.
My bet is Obama chooses Biden.
IMO, McCain will be committing suicide if he picks ANYONE that ran against him during the primaries. There are enough people out there that hate the other candidates enough to not vote for him if he chooses one for VP.
Crist from Florida wouldn't be a good idea either. Guy is an asshat. His Amendment 1 has severely crippled FLorida's education department and all public services (PDs/SOs/FDs/etc).
He's better off picking someone outside of the box that is a well known "conservative" to sway those votes.
Just my .02.
Although I like Condi, McCain can't risk having anyone from this administration on his ticket if he is trying to seperate himself from Bush and Bush policies and not be seen as what the media is labeling a "3rd Bush Term" JMO.
This is true, but dayum IMO, she would be great in the VP slot.
Another name that I forgot to add to the above list, that's been thrown about is....Tom Ridge.
Would he also fit into that "being part of the Bush Admin" ???
The Reaper
08-18-2008, 20:05
Fox just announced that McCain will identify his VP candidate on 29 Aug.
TR
Fox just announced that McCain will identify his VP candidate on 29 Aug.
TR
I wonder if McCain is being "too nice" in waiting until the Friday AFTER the DNC.
Why wouldn't he do it the day before, on the 28th, the day BHO gives his acceptance speech at Mile High? (God, how I hope it rains that day....never thought you'd hear a Leg pray for rain, did ya ;)) Take some of the "wind" out of their sails, as it were.
Soft Target
08-18-2008, 20:24
B-1 Bob Dornan
ZonieDiver
08-18-2008, 21:35
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Crist from Florida wouldn't be a good idea either. Guy is an asshat. His Amendment 1 has severely crippled FLorida's education department and all public services (PDs/SOs/FDs/etc).
<snip>
Hey, if we start eliminating people because they are "asshats" (great word!) won't we have almost NONE to choose from in the political arena? :D
GreenSalsa
08-18-2008, 23:01
My guess is he is going to aggressively go after the center, believe it or not, my money is on Joe Lieberman (not saying I like it).
The senator (formerly Democrat, now independent) is actively campaigning for McCain, plus they have had a cozy relationship in the past.
Choosing Lieberman will piss off the base, but who else are they going to vote for? The goal in a general election is to get control of the moderate or middle ground--a hard core conservative VEEP would not do that.
anyway thats my $0.02 worth, time will tell.
The Reaper
08-19-2008, 07:17
I don't see McCain picking Lieberman.
Lieberman, with the exception of the GWOT, is as liberal as any other Northeastern Dim. If you recell, he was Kerry's choice as a running mate.
I think McCain is still worried about turning out the conservative base, as he cannot win without them, and he is a sufficient maverick by himself to attract most open-minded independents and undecideds without picking an out and out lib for the ticket.
Personally, I would see him looking for a conservative (and none of his opponents from the Repub primaries are true conservatives.
Ridge checks several blocks, but has baggage from the Bush administration, as well as being pro-choice.
Tough choice, and no matter who he picks, he is going to piss someone off.
The real issue is trying to pick someone with a squeaky clean record who brings in more people than he turns off, could be seen as Presidential if necessary, and who is acceptable to the POTUS candidate as a good, complementary subordinate.
I think Obama is going to pick Bayh, but I hope he picks Biden. That is a train-wreck waiting to happen. Too bad he didn't choose Edwards before the story broke.
Just my .02, YMMV.
TR
I like Condi. Wouldn't that just frost Hillary's ass? :D
Agreed, Condi would be perfect..
And if John decides not to go for a 2nd term...
Bada Bing...
Ret10Echo
08-19-2008, 07:39
My guess is they have at least 3 tubes loaded and will pull the trigger based upon what happens next week at the Clinton-National-Convention in Denver.
Although Ridge was part of the Bush admin, I don't think most people identify him as closely with the Bush admin as they do Rice. Some Christian groups have already stated they could live with Ridge. Interesting story going around is McCain announces he only wants one term, paving the way for the Klintons to knee cap Obama setting up Hillary for the nomination in four years. Although, I think Hillary will try and sabotage Obama regardless. If Obama wins, which I doubt, Bill and Hillary become irrelevant. That is the one thing Bill and Hillary couldn't stand. I have always liked Ridge and would like to hear other opinions of him. Good, bad or indifferent. I am 100% convinced Crist is way out of the running.
Slantwire
08-19-2008, 09:02
I am 100% convinced Christ is way out of the running.
As am I. Crist is probably out, too.
I'll admit I haven't followed this silly season very closely. Has Powell been mentioned at any point?
Roguish Lawyer
08-19-2008, 09:04
McCain's age makes his VP choice particularly important. The person is quite likely to become President . . .
blue02hd
08-19-2008, 09:28
Go Condi Go!
As am I. Crist is probably out, too.
I'll admit I haven't followed this silly season very closely. Has Powell been mentioned at any point?
Powell said he wasn't interested... there are rumors about that he's actually pro-Obama.....
I truly doubt McCain is worried about picking someone who ran against him in the primaries or someone who is "too liberal." He is more or less assured he has the conservative vote, because we/they sure as shit dont want Hussein Obama in office. So he needs someone pussy enough to garner more of the independent and Liberal votes.
Either way, I'm not looking forward to the next four years.
I think Liberman might be his choice.
Ret10Echo
08-20-2008, 04:07
I think Liberman might be his choice.
I don't think he would go that far left. He needs someone to fill the gaps for the conservative base and Joe is not that person. He would probably end up with a position of importance in the administration.. The two have been pretty tight.....but not on the ticket. That would be too much of a "coming out" for McCain.
I truly doubt McCain is worried about picking someone who ran against him in the primaries or someone who is "too liberal." He is more or less assured he has the conservative vote, because we/they sure as shit dont want Hussein Obama in office. So he needs someone pussy enough to garner more of the independent and Liberal votes.
Either way, I'm not looking forward to the next four years.
In order to get the conservative vote he has to get the conservatives to the polls. Here is a scenario for you....conservatives decide to stay at home. Agreed that the the next four would be ugly...and a kick to the head for the taxpayers...but it essentially removes the Klinton's from the mix....
Thoughts???
In order to get the conservative vote he has to get the conservatives to the polls. Here is a scenario for you....conservatives decide to stay at home. Agreed that the the next four would be ugly...and a kick to the head for the taxpayers...but it essentially removes the Klinton's from the mix....
Thoughts???
I don't see it happening boss. Maybe if Obama was "just 'nother demo" like Bill or something. But he's such a far left nutcase who literally wants to tear down absolutely every core pillar of freedom, the constitution, and free enterprise. I have a hard time believing any conservative is going to be apathetic enough to stay home.
They won't stay home, they'll just vote for Barr.....................
Looking at the latest poll numbers that came out today, Reuters has McCain 5 points on top of Obama. I think the DNC is going to be very interesting to watch. For all intents and purposes Obama should be kicking McCain's butt right now, but he isn't. This poll has him at +5, there are others that have them tied, and a couple that have him -3 which is still within the margin of error.
It would not surprise me in the least to see Hillary come out of the convention as the nominee. From what I have been reading and hearing there are alot of dems that think maybe the decision was made too soon to make Obama the presumptive nominee. Additionally, maybe a bit more vetting should have been done. If the Dems loose, they have no one to blame but the liberal media who basically sunk Hillary. I personally think it would be a much different race if McCain was running against Hillary. As it stands right now, my belief is there will be another Republican POTUS being sworn in, in January. With Hillary running, they might have had a chance.
I know it sounds far fetched, but with his polling what it is, whose to say the Dems decide he is not capable of beating McCain. With Hitlery's name in for nomination, it isn't like it couldn't happen. Yes it may tear the party apart, but it couldn't happen to a nicer group of people:)
The Reaper
08-20-2008, 21:07
Looking at the latest poll numbers that came out today, Reuters has McCain 5 points on top of Obama. I think the DNC is going to be very interesting to watch. For all intents and purposes Obama should be kicking McCain's butt right now, but he isn't. This poll has him at +5, there are others that have them tied, and a couple that have him -3 which is still within the margin of error.
It would not surprise me in the least to see Hillary come out of the convention as the nominee. From what I have been reading and hearing there are alot of dems that think maybe the decision was made too soon to make Obama the presumptive nominee. Additionally, maybe a bit more vetting should have been done. If the Dems loose, they have no one to blame but the liberal media who basically sunk Hillary. I personally think it would be a much different race if McCain was running against Hillary. As it stands right now, my belief is there will be another Republican POTUS being sworn in, in January. With Hillary running, they might have had a chance.
I know it sounds far fetched, but with his polling what it is, whose to say the Dems decide he is not capable of beating McCain. With Hitlery's name in for nomination, it isn't like it couldn't happen. Yes it may tear the party apart, but it couldn't happen to a nicer group of people:)
That is the logical conclusion of a primary election process which includes as many caucuses as the Dims do.
You wind up with a candidate who can game the system and is revered by an active minority, not necessarily one who is the first choice of most party members, or the majority of the voters in the general election.
They recently had a chance to correct this, and punted.
Great!!
TR
If Hillary where to pull the rug out from Obama things could get ugly on the streets.
If Hillary where to pull the rug out from Obama things could get ugly on the streets.
They're already shaping up, to be THAT way. :rolleyes:
Defender968
08-21-2008, 08:29
If Hillary where to pull the rug out from Obama things could get ugly on the streets.
I think that would be great, if she did they'd probably split the vote, and neither of those clowns would have a chance.
Come on Hillary the spoiler, you know her ego is big enough for me to hope she'll try it.
greenberetTFS
08-21-2008, 09:05
With the RNC a couple of weeks away, and McCain waiting until then to announce who his VP running mate will be, (as with BHO next week at the DNC), who do you think will be on the ticket with McCain?
We've been hearing, as of late, these names being thrown out....
Mike Huckabee
Joe Lieberman
Mitt Romney
....but I'd like to add these two names to that list....
Fred Thompson
Condi Rice
For me, I'd like to see Condi on that ticket. She would "trump" the Dem's "female" and "race" issues in one fell swoop. Also, she knows Washington and as SecState, she knows the issues.
Sdiver,
Your right on target ;) I agree,she would be my vote also.....:munchin
Teddy
charlietwo
08-21-2008, 10:48
My surprise would be null if Hillary attempted to get the nomination and succeeded. With the recent drop in support for Obama, and his major flaws that make him all but unelectable, the Dems would be wise to pick Hillary. That thought gives me chills because she has a much greater chance at beating McCain, imho.
About Condi -- I just do not have faith in her ability to lead. It seems like she's let so many things slip through the cracks in her dealings with our antagonists. The State Department just seems like a conservative branch of the ACLU these days. Maybe I'm just one of those "neo-cons" the hippies are always yelling about.:cool:
Can't wait till the DNC :munchin
If Hillary where to pull the rug out from Obama things could get ugly on the streets.
Do you think she'd care about that? My bet is not so much. ;)
LongTabSigO
08-21-2008, 22:07
Hillary's gonna pick Bill Richardson to be her VP....
McCain will go for Romney, I believe, because, although he's go that whole maverick thing going, he wants to win and Romney gives him the best chance.
Obama will be Bob Barr's VP nod....figurin', "hey, give the kid a shot..."
The Reaper
08-27-2008, 10:59
What is the primary purpose of the Vice President of the US?
TR
What is the primary purpose of the Vice President of the US?
TR
Go to State Funerals and be ready in case the President decides to go for a walk in a Washington, DC Park.
The Reaper
08-27-2008, 11:05
I do not see much difference between a President Lieberman, and a President Obama or Biden, except possibly on Iraq.
They would probably all look at the same judicial nominees.
Might be interesting, in a morbid way, to see VP Lieberman as President of the Senate, though he is pretty liberal on almost all domestic issues.
Bye-bye Second Amendment.
TR
Red Flag 1
08-27-2008, 11:42
I do not see much difference between a President Lieberman, and a President Obama or Biden, except possibly on Iraq.
They would probably all look at the same judicial nominees.
Might be interesting, in a morbid way, to see VP Lieberman as President of the Senate, though he is pretty liberal on almost all domestic issues.
Bye-bye Second Amendment.
TR
Think you're right on the 2nd!
McCain, at first blush, seems to need someone with domestic flair...not sure Liberman will do conservatives any favors.
Condi Rice is working for GWB. Massively bright, very capable hard working, low profile, and many assumptions are made about her; she is no s#*^t carrying the GWB message around the world. I would like to think Condi would be a supurb VP. I like to think Condi would be a much better POTUS than Biden, thus a better VP.
What is unfortunate is that she may not "appear" to help the McCain ticket.
I'll bet Romney tops the short list.
All eyes on the DNC. Wait until Friday to name VP. Dims my implode over the next 48 hrs! Here's hoping!
Take care TR!
RF 1
Ms. Rice could add to the McCain ticket. A lot of Hillary supporters are strong feminists. A women in the VP slot would be hard to back away from for many of them.
The Negative, would add to the current attacks on McCain, being another GWB.
Would be interesting.
Well, it looks as if McCain has selected his VP.
McCain selects his VP
Sen. McCain has chosen his running mate and the person will be notified on Thursday, a senior campaign official said.
A friend said McCain had pretty much settled on his selection early this week, and it crystallized in the past few days. Campaign manager Rick Davis flew to McCain's cabin in Sedona, Ariz., a few days ago to confer, and another meeting about the choice was held with top aides Wednesday.
The news leaked on the third night of the Democratic National Convention, detracting attention from speeches by former President Bill Clinton and the Democratic ticket mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware.
McCain's selection process has been conducted mostly in secret, but officials said he was considering one or more candidates who support abortion rights. The disclosure set off a fracas on the right wing, with talk-show host Rush Limbaugh saying such a selection would destroy the party.
McCain is planning to roll out his vice presidential nominee in three battleground states this weekend, with large-scale rallies planned for Ohio, Pennsylvania and Missouri, according to aides and advisers.
The GOP nominee-in-waiting will move to immediately change the campaign conversation from Barack Obama’s football stadium acceptance speech Thursday to the new Republican ticket, to be revealed at a noontime Friday rally in a Dayton, Ohio, basketball arena. McCain and his running mate will then travel by bus to Pennsylvania, where they’ll hold an outdoor event at a minor league baseball stadium in Washington County, just southwest of Pittsburgh. On Sunday, the duo will head to suburban St. Louis for another event to be held at a minor league baseball stadium, this one in O’Fallon, Mo.
The Missouri rally is being billed to local Republicans as something of a unity rally, since it will feature McCain, Mitt Romney and Mike Huckabee — the GOP presidential finalists who effectively divided the vote three ways in the Show Me State’s Super Tuesday primary. A McCain aide warned not to read too much into McCain’s planned guests, however.
The campaign’s leadership has imposed a strict rule on staffers to not discuss the process and have further guarded the selection by parceling out very little information.
Speculation is increasingly centered on former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, although Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman remains an option and is in the final mix.
I still say, McCain should announce his VP on Thursday. If just the "rumor" of McCain picking his VP, drew attention away from Clinton's and Biden's speech, just think what it'll do when Egobama gives his.
I think he will release it tonight. There was talk earlier in the week of him moving up the announcement. He may not do it the same time as the Obama speech, but directly following it. Gives more credence to my thoughi it is Lieberman. There is no way the MSM is going to ignore that anouncement, even if Obama just gave another "I am a citizen of the world" speech.
Tonight should be interesting. Unfortunately I will be on a plane heading to the East Coast and won't know what happens until I land in Newark at 5 am tomorrow.:mad:
I think he will release it tonight. There was talk earlier in the week of him moving up the announcement. He may not do it the same time as the Obama speech, but directly following it. Gives more credence to my thoughi it is Lieberman. There is no way the MSM is going to ignore that anouncement, even if Obama just gave another "I am a citizen of the world" speech.
Tonight should be interesting. Unfortunately I will be on a plane heading to the East Coast and won't know what happens until I land in Newark at 5 am tomorrow.:mad:
We know he's announcing tomorrow and he's informing tonight. And - I think it's Pawlenty. I say this because if you look at Intrade - something crazy is going down. It smacks of a leak. Pawlenty just jumped 44 pts and Romney dropped 24 pts. Pawlenty is at 60pts with Romney at 26 pts - the next person in line is at like 5 pts.
I don't put tons of stock in InTrade - but that looks like a leak.
ETA - I just checked again and Pawlenty is up 50 points now to 70 pts. I'll bet it climbs through the night. Something's fishy. But it looks like the speculation is entirely based around Pawlenty cancelled his appearances for tomorrow. They've also got reporters saying Romney packed an overnight bag and left his house in CA. So.... tomorrow should be fun.
GreenSalsa
08-29-2008, 08:31
Personally I think he seriously considered Lieberman, and used speculation as a trial balloon--
however strategically, after Obama's pick, McCain would be smart to pick Sarah Palin
--conservative (anchors base)
--woman (woes, Hillary voters)
--young, historic, and sure to get a bump
--popularity polls put her in the 80+%
The Reaper
08-29-2008, 08:56
Its Sarah Palin.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/29/mccain-to-name-running-mate-on-friday/
Not sure how much it helps, but I like her and it can't hurt. Beats Biden.
TR
Does the fact that I'm crying like a little girl about the Palin news mean I'm a little too invested in the whole process? I sorta feel a little too Clinton/Obama groupie right now - but I so don't care and for the first time, I'm getting a lawn sign.
I couldn't be happier.
Stupid InTrade and people trading on dumb speculation. :D
MSNBC and CNN better not be wrong.
Does the fact that I'm crying like a little girl about the Palin news mean I'm a little too invested in the whole process? I sorta feel a little too Clinton/Obama groupie right now - but I so don't care and for the first time, I'm getting a lawn sign.
I couldn't be happier.
Stupid InTrade and people trading on dumb speculation. :D
MSNBC and CNN better not be wrong.
Sarah Palin. Good. I liked her for a bunch of reasons I posted in another one of the many election related threads that we have going.
My wife is no political activist, but she's genuinely excited about this pick... so much so that she just said that she'd consider working as a campaign volunteer now. I find this very interesting as she's not a "women's issue groupie"
IMO, Great pick and masterful timing by McCain. What's going to be the talk today, and all weekend... Hussain Obama's speech or McCains VP pick? It's like taking a pin to a balloon.
Biden's value is as an attack dog however when compared with Palin he'll look like the jackass that he is.
ZonieDiver
08-29-2008, 09:16
Its Sarah Palin.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/29/mccain-to-name-running-mate-on-friday/
Not sure how much it helps, but I like her and it can't hurt. Beats Biden.
TR
I think it is a brilliant choice. Can the Dims can attack her on "experience"? Nope, hers is equal to or exceeds their Presidential choice! They can attack her former "beauty queen" credentials at their peril. I know that would piss off a lot of females - even ardent feminists - due to the non-relevancy of the issue to the race. She has executive experience, even if limited. She is young and a woman. I can see a lot of Hillary cross-overs, even if she is conservative and pro-life. To quote the Gust Avrakotos character from "Charlie Wilson's War" - "We'll see..."
The Reaper
08-29-2008, 09:16
Well, I don't see how anyone can attack her for her lack of experience with Obama on the ticket.
In an election this close, she may pick up enough undecided females to make the difference.
TR
This is a smart pick. It sucks the attention away from Hussein's speech, it attracts the female Clinton voters, and it makes it difficult to accuse McCain of "more of the same". Now let's just hope that she doesnt have some horrific skeletons in the closet...
This is a smart pick. It sucks the attention away from Hussein's speech, it attracts the female Clinton voters, and it makes it difficult to accuse McCain of "more of the same". Now let's just hope that she doesnt have some horrific skeletons in the closet...
I don't think she will - this woman has pretty well lived her life open and honest by design. You read about her and she's a free-spirit. She's also been too busy to have controversy. To do everything she's done and have 5 kids (one of them less than 6 months ago) - Gov Palin doesn't have time for skeletons.
(That's my totally unbiased, un-fangirl take on the matter.) :D
"That's my totally unbiased, un-fangirl take on the matter."
I agree with your assessment and bias doesn't bother me as long as its the same as my bias ;), she seems to be an open book and I'm guessing the governor's election vetted her. With some of the details of her children, it will make the dems look like monsters if they criticize her for anything but policy.
Gutsy gambit...but will the "pumas" go for it?
Richard :munchin
I'm GTG with this smart choice!
Sarah Palin
I think this is a very good pick,, she has the experience, she's conservative, likes OIL, young,, and in four years she will be a good next POTUS...
:D:D:D
Team Sergeant
08-29-2008, 10:09
I think this is a very good pick,, she has the experience, she's conservative, likes OIL, young,, and in four years she will be a good next POTUS...
:D:D:D
She'll also have an edge (experience) when Hilterly runs against her.
Her oldest son is in the army also, very smart of the McCain crew.
Wonder if Oprah will change her vote now lol
Kyobanim
08-29-2008, 10:17
I especially like the way it stole the headlines this morning. All the obama shit is small fonts and Palin's name and photo is plastered all over the top.
I'm pleased with this choice.
Roguish Lawyer
08-29-2008, 10:25
I am not so excited. She is from Alaska and will not deliver a state. She is inexperienced and will undermine the attacks on Obama's inexperience.
I like the idea of a conservative woman, but my first reaction is that he picked the wrong one. I will be interested to learn more about her.
Dozer523
08-29-2008, 10:45
Greetings,
This is my first post after my "hello" one.
You guys are creeping me out with the Condi Rice idea.
My suggestion would be Robert Gates.
As Sec Def he knows the issue that is really driving the economy train. We are spending a fortune in Iraq (and to a lesser degree Afghanistan).
He is not such a lightning rod as many of the others in the Bush adminstration and (following Rumsfeld -- who was a "tornado magnet".
He is well liked and respected by the majority of both stripes.
And he is a"good guy".
Here is my "No Sh*t, there I was" Gates story. In early 2007 I was at Camp Eggers in Kabul. I was working AT as part of the Force Pro. So "there I was" walking through the mess tent with a plate of eggs heading fon my regular seat. Across the table is this "civilian lookin'guy" who >> I took for an MPRI contractor. He says 'have a seat" when I ask if I can sit here. I'm starting to eat and he asks "So, what do you do around here?" So I told him. And he started asking LOTS of questions, NICE QUESTIONS about me and the other soldiers I came over with. And SMART QUESTIONS that ranged from the day to day of my job, to perimeter defense in an urban area, to what I really think about Hescos, to what I like best about Afghanistan (going out FP-ing with CA), to where is the most interesting place I'd been (the Kabul-JBad road), to what is like to train MOS's like illustrators, cooks, water purification specialists, NBC guys to be Force Pro. >>I'd been a squad leader too, as far as I was concerned I was reclasifying them 11B's << (I thought it was a great G mission without interpretors.)
We had this really nice conversation over my cold eggs until I finally asked "So what do YOU do around here?" He looked at me pretty funny and said "I'm the Secretary of Defense Designee."
I think my response was something like " . . . wow. That must be interesting." He said 'all the traveling was tough . . ."
That afternoon reading the S&S there was an article about how Secretary Gates went down to the "Tank" to listen to the JCS instead of making them come to him like Rumsfield did. Here is a guy who will listen to 4 stars and 3 stripes. He can run Texas A&M and the CIA. (I think he headed the agency or was at least very high up).
So the McCain - Gates gets my vote and probably a little cash too.
Dozer
rubberneck
08-29-2008, 10:50
I am not so excited. She is from Alaska and will not deliver a state. She is inexperienced and will undermine the attacks on Obama's inexperience.
I like the idea of a conservative woman, but my first reaction is that he picked the wrong one. I will be interested to learn more about her.
As it stands now she has more experience as a chief executive than McCain, Obama and Biden combined. The Obama camp has already fallen into the trap of pointing out her inexperience. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. IMHO a Governor with two years of experience running as a VP trumps a Senator with three running for President. That is a no win argument for the Obama camp.
"So the McCain - Gates gets my vote and probably a little cash too."
um... have you turned on the TV today? i dont think Gates is being considered anymore. ;)
I am not so excited. She is from Alaska and will not deliver a state. She is inexperienced and will undermine the attacks on Obama's inexperience.
I like the idea of a conservative woman, but my first reaction is that he picked the wrong one. I will be interested to learn more about her.
Who then?
The dems will, and already are, trying to use her to negate the lack of experience issue. However, what is the role of the VP? It's not to be the US representative to the world or the author of US foreign policy that's for sure. The dems will not get much mileage out of that, I predict. She will stand on her executive experience as governor (brief, but just long enough given her approval ratings) and continue to point out the role of the VP as opposed to what the Dems are using Biden for... to somehow make up for the complete and utter lack of anything they can point to B HO doing except being the first black presidential nominee.
Next to my studio is an older womens hair salon. If it is any indication of what the general response is to McCains picks...they are very excited. I went in to ask what their impression is of his choice for VP, as a group 9 women, all love it. Comments; she looks good, I don't care she a women and I'm going to vote for her, she looks smart and she has five kids. Simple response, but real and I think will pull the womens vote and those who are unsure to his camp.
Next to my studio is an older womens hair salon. If it is any indication of what the general response is to McCains picks...they are very excited. I went in to ask what their impression is of his choice for VP, as a group 9 women, all love it. Comments; she looks good, I don't care she a women and I'm going to vote for her, she looks smart and she has five kids. Simple response, but real and I think will pull the womens vote and those who are unsure to his camp.
It's so funny to me to watch the coverage and hear all the pundits (who never predicted her in the first place) posit that they don't think she's going to sway any female voters.
BALONEY.
She's energizing us when the "other guys" did nothing for us. The newsguys are just bitter they didn't see it coming.
Trip_Wire (RIP)
08-29-2008, 12:43
I'm happy with the choice! The only women I have heard on the choice was my spouse! She was impressed with the choice as well, although like many females she doesn't like the "Roe v. Wade' issues, the party supports. IMO, that will be the biggest black mark for most women. Hopefully, disgruntled female H. Clinton supporters will cast their protest vote for the Mc Cain ticket.
I really liked the fact that she is a 'hunter' and lifetime member of the NRA, which I think will get that 'ticket' a lot of votes. :D
It's so funny to me to watch the coverage and hear all the pundits (who never predicted her in the first place) posit that they don't think she's going to sway any female voters.
BALONEY.
She's energizing us when the "other guys" did nothing for us. The newsguys are just bitter they didn't see it coming.
I do think the media discounted her. I think it's a very interesting choice and the more I hear about her, the more I like her.
Very intriguing.
Having had to read up quickly on her background and actions as of now I believe she's a pretty good choice.
Frontier spirit, NRA member she hunts and fishes, worked commercial fishing, pilots her own plane. A record of ethics in words policy and action, beginning with her own party. I can't see any arrogant elitism from a working class family woman. I don't believe her stance on abortion is an issue, as her stance on gay marriage hasn't prevented her from vetoing legislation preventing States benefits to same sex couples. She appears to abide by Constitutional law. Her approval rating as Governor is strong. Challenges to her inexperience, well the choice as previously stated is an inexperienced President vs an inexperienced VP. To me what I've read of the experience she does have seems stronger than Obamas. IMHO her record of action trumps Obamas lack of. If the campaign cry is change then I like what I've read of her political history of producing real change better than Obamas wish lists.
I've read some few pretty bitter nasty comments about her, but can't find facts supporting the statements.
Jack Moroney (RIP)
08-29-2008, 13:48
Damn, a pistol packing real person, blue star Mom proud of her son and all those who serve, executive experience, a jock, a coach, a pro-lifer, "neat, clean, and articulate", confident, running a state where testosterone flows more readily than salmon streams and more than holding her own. It can't get any better than this, she is going to eat Biden's lunch in their head to head debate:lifter
This has suddenly become the Republican's campaign to loose.
From what I've read, she's pro-life in word and deed, as she supposedely knew of her infant son's condition (Down's Syndrome) early enough in the pregnancy to terminate, and didn't.
greenberetTFS
08-29-2008, 15:22
From what I've read, she's pro-life in word and deed, as she supposedely knew of her infant son's condition (Down's Syndrome) early enough in the pregnancy to terminate, and didn't.
Razor is right on.....:) I think she's going to be an asset to the ticket....Excellent move by McCain....:D
GB TFS :lifter
Surf n Turf
08-29-2008, 15:33
Damn, a pistol packing real person, blue star Mom proud of her son and all those who serve, executive experience, a jock, a coach, a pro-lifer, "neat, clean, and articulate", confident, running a state where testosterone flows more readily than salmon streams and more than holding her own. It can't get any better than this, she is going to eat Biden's lunch in their head to head debate:lifter
This has suddenly become the Republican's campaign to loose.
Totally agree with Col M.
My wife actually talked about her on Monday, and thought she would be a good choice -- My wife (as usual) is right. ;)
This is the RNC's campaign to lose --
SnT
Roguish Lawyer
08-29-2008, 15:37
Whoa, resume includes "hockey team manager"!
http://palinforgovernor.com/aboutSarah.html
The more I see, the more I like! :D
The left and MSM are blowing all their seals. Steam escaping everywhere.
NOW release - "not the right woman"
Good choice. She is authentic and has great curb appeal.
W/r/t policy positions, I care more about a VP's character than I do about their policy views. Her talking points on matters of public policy will come from the CinC and the Cabinet.
My neighborhood Starbucks is the same one that VP Cheney used to visit every morning in Dallas - very conservative neighborhood. The tennis skirt and jogging stroller set were very excited this morning.
Likewise, my dentist and her employees are all very liberal. When I was there for an appointment today, there was major buzz - as in, "My gosh, who are we going to vote for?" :D
Soft Target
08-29-2008, 15:53
Does the fact that I'm crying like a little girl about the Palin news mean I'm a little too invested in the whole process? I sorta feel a little too Clinton/Obama groupie right now - but I so don't care and for the first time, I'm getting a lawn sign.
I couldn't be happier.
Stupid InTrade and people trading on dumb speculation. :D
MSNBC and CNN better not be wrong.
Glad I'm not the only one. I ran around the office saying "McCain just won the election!!!!!).
uboat509
08-29-2008, 16:00
I like her but I have some misgivings for basicaly the same reasons that RL listed. She is generating some excitement now but is that excitement going to last until November or are the HRC supporters going to get cold feet when the time comes?
SFC W
2 Block Secured
08-29-2008, 16:03
Obama's VP pick of Biden pretty much burned the Dems bridge to the White House. (You call that change? or hope? or future?)
McCain's pick of Sarah "The Baracuda" Palin kicked the embers and any other remnants of that bridge into the river.
Obama Biden are so toast, somebody get me the jam and a knife.
Prediction: 47 % Obama - 53 % McCain
Any takers?
Where do I get my Palin for President 2016 bumber stickers?
Ambush Master
08-29-2008, 16:04
Her approval rating as Governor is 80%!!!
She's also invested a lot of Alaskan money (I heard 40 billion) into putting a natural gas pipeline to the lower 48!!
ZonieDiver
08-29-2008, 16:27
Even though Friday is a day off for me, I went into school to pick up some work and ran into one of our female Spec. Ed teachers - whose hair is shorter than mine and could whip my ass in arm wrestling and has a "Hillary" sticker on her Prius - and SHE was stoked. Its not about "politics" - it is, for many but not all, a "woman thing"!
If you're not smiling yet, hop over to HillaryClintonForum(dot)net and see what they're saying. (I have too much time on my hands.) It's 11 pages, and as far as I can see, all pro Maverick/Barracuda. :D
Pat
The left and MSM are blowing all their seals. Steam escaping everywhere.
NOW release - "not the right woman"
I've always hated NOW. They hate women like me (the feeling being mutual) - they are NOT my organization.
CoLawman
08-29-2008, 16:43
I am very excited about this pick. It captures the 10 percent of Dems that are prolife!
52% of the electorate are women that equals votes regardless of party.
This woman went after the Govenor she was beholding to due to his indiscretions.
This woman is exactly what we need to pull in those voters whose primary concern is energy.
In my not so humble opinion Obama's 6 point bump from his convention will disipate and it is all down hill from here.
I am excited and sending my check now. I also believe that this will allowing the grooming and maturing of the next Presidential candidate for the RNC.
Her favorite meal is a moose burger and she is a beauty queen. WOW
I am a happy man today!
ZonieDiver
08-29-2008, 16:48
I am very excited about this pick. <snip> Her favorite meal is a moose burger and she is a beauty queen. WOW
I am a happy man today!
From a somewhat humorous point of view - and as a man - McCain will get to leave a lovely woman at home to go work with a lovely woman! Smart guy! What'll Obama have to look forward to - "hairplug" Biden! :o
IF McCain needed the HC supporters vote to win the election, then he just made a strategic blunder. If not, then it's a moot statement. However, ask yourself why Palin? Because she's a woman?
The are three crucial issues as to why HC had such massive support:
1. women's right to chose
2. women's right to equal pay
3. childcare
95% of HC support demand these. Palin will not promote them. She will not sway many votes her way simply because she is a woman.
Now abortion will be one of the key issues to discuss for both candidates were previously it could have been overlooked.
I disagree. Many women who were voting for Hilary were voting because they wanted a woman in the White House. Also, when she [HRC] did not receive the Dem nomination, they were many who were already leaning towards McCain after the bitter primary fight.
1. Women's right to chose is a polarizing issue regardless of whom McCain selected as VP.
2. Did ya see her acceptance speech about the glass ceiling? Many women believe that any woman in the White House will fight for the common needs of women.
3. She is a working mother... child care would be something that she would be sympathetic to and advocate.
I think her inexperience maybe her only real downfall, but as was previously mentioned, she has more executive experience as Governor of Alaska than either of the presidential candidates. Frankly as I watched the segment about her on FoxNews, and they went from her moose hunting, the beauty pageant, oldest in the Army, baby with Downs Syndrome, and then her with a rifle popping off rounds... I thought this just gets better and better.
Let's face it, many American's don't bother to be as well informed as the members of this board. They vote for who looks good, sounds good, or to whom they can relate. IMO she nails all three.
82ndtrooper
08-29-2008, 17:20
I do like this picture though. :cool:
ZonieDiver
08-29-2008, 17:48
IF McCain needed the HC supporters vote to win the election, then he just made a strategic blunder. If not, then it's a moot statement. However, ask yourself why Palin? Because she's a woman?
The are three crucial issues as to why HC had such massive support:
1. women's right to chose
2. women's right to equal pay
3. childcare
95% of HC support demand these. Palin will not promote them. She will not sway many votes her way simply because she is a woman.
Now abortion will be one of the key issues to discuss for both candidates were previously it could have been overlooked.
Most HRC supporters are sophisticated enough to realize that the VP has NO input on abortion, unless: 1) the President of the US dies, AND 2) a Supreme Court Justice needs to be appointed. Gov. Palin doesn't need to bring millions of voters to the ticket - just perhaps a hundred thousand or so in such states at PA and Ohio -etc. You know...those states where people "cling" to their religion and their guns! Hmmmmmm... "lifetime" NRA member... We do not elect the POTUS nationally - but state by state - and a few thousand votes CAN, and have, made the difference!
frostfire
08-29-2008, 18:16
Having had to read up quickly on her background and actions as of now I believe she's a pretty good choice.
Frontier spirit, NRA member she hunts and fishes, worked commercial fishing, pilots her own plane. A record of ethics in words policy and action, beginning with her own party. I can't see any arrogant elitism from a working class family woman. I don't believe her stance on abortion is an issue, as her stance on gay marriage hasn't prevented her from vetoing legislation preventing States benefits to same sex couples. She appears to abide by Constitutional law. Her approval rating as Governor is strong. Challenges to her inexperience, well the choice as previously stated is an inexperienced President vs an inexperienced VP. To me what I've read of the experience she does have seems stronger than Obamas. IMHO her record of action trumps Obamas lack of.
Damn, a pistol packing real person, blue star Mom proud of her son and all those who serve, executive experience, a jock, a coach, a pro-lifer, "neat, clean, and articulate", confident, running a state where testosterone flows more readily than salmon streams and more than holding her own. It can't get any better than this, she is going to eat Biden's lunch in their head to head debate:lifter
From what I've read, she's pro-life in word and deed, as she supposedely knew of her infant son's condition (Down's Syndrome) early enough in the pregnancy to terminate, and didn't.
Like the Colonel said, a real person! As I read this all over the MSM (assuming 100% true), I felt ashamed of myself . Being the skeptical and cynic that I am, I thought such lady could not exist anymore. Much less in the political arena. If CA has the Terminator governor, Alaska got the real Wonder Woman....well, the Maverick/Barracuda still sounds much better.
She says what she means and does what she says. That works. I wish America well with this latest update.
When I was in the Army, I learned to play chess from a Hungarian, born and raised, Sergeant. My first win against him came a year or so later. After that, I asked him how the game would change if the Queen could move like the Knight. I think McCain just made that move. Check! :lifter
Pat
Red Flag 1
08-29-2008, 19:21
Damn, a pistol packing real person, blue star Mom proud of her son and all those who serve, executive experience, a jock, a coach, a pro-lifer, "neat, clean, and articulate", confident, running a state where testosterone flows more readily than salmon streams and more than holding her own. It can't get any better than this, she is going to eat Biden's lunch in their head to head debate:lifter
This has suddenly become the Republican's campaign to loose.
Agree!!
If Charlton Heston was Mr. NRA, Palin is Mrs. NRA.
What a great pick. First I heard of her was a few days ago on this site.
Anybody think some of the wind has been dumped from BHO today ?
RF 1
afromatic75
08-29-2008, 19:31
Whoa, resume includes "hockey team manager"!
http://palinforgovernor.com/aboutSarah.html
The more I see, the more I like! :D
For those who still wish to see her the original bio. on the link that RL provided, I google cache'd it for whomever would like to see it.
http://209.85.141.104/search?q=cache:Mgsn6FZdMMIJ:www.palinforgovernor.c om/aboutSarah.html+http://www.palinforgovernor.com/aboutSarah.html&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
CoLawman
08-29-2008, 19:34
I think I read where McCain can only receive donations through August 30th since he took matching funds. Is that correct?
Sweetbriar
08-29-2008, 19:35
I would have voted for McCain regardless of who he picked for VP, but now I get to vote for a woman on the ticket without having to vote for abortion (which I would not do when Ferraro was on the ballot.) Being able to vote for someone from your own "group" is indeed wonderful, even if it isn't a deal breaker for you.
Palin will run very well indeed and everyone but the women will forget her gender in short order, which is as it should be. She did a great speech out of the box today and she'll rip Biden to shreds. Hooray.
Ambush Master
08-29-2008, 19:46
Especially since the BHO group are starting their attack, I find it most interesting that Her speech today, was "off-the-cuff", without the use of teleprompters or notes!!!
I defy BHO to even attempt the same!!!!
Take care.
Martin
Surf n Turf
08-29-2008, 19:53
I think I read where McCain can only receive donations through August 30th since he took matching funds. Is that correct?
CoLawman,
I just visited the Federal Elections website, and I see no date stipulations that would stop any donations. The only stiuplations appear to be in dollar amounts
http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/contriblimits.shtml
SnT
Fox has been showing a poll (or polls) that show that the number one issue for women right now is the economy, with something else (I forget) as second, and abortion as third.
The second issue was Iraq.
Many dims heads are just exploding. I can't stop giggling like a school girl. :p
I had a discussion in the gym tonight with two women...one pro McCain and her excitement over his pick of VP, the other...not so much. The dem admitted she is closed minded and biased but by the time I was done talking to her she said she "might have to give the woman (Gov Palin) a second look".
Oh yeah...I also told her her lack of tolerance in differing opinions from the "party of tolerance" was disturbing. :D
Especially since the BHO group are starting their attack, I find it most interesting that Her speech today, was "off-the-cuff", without the use of teleprompters or notes!!!
I defy BHO to even attempt the same!!!!
Take care.
Martin
It would be a disaster for him. I finally was able to hear the whole speech she gave, quite inspiring.
Baracuda...yep, the name suits her. I don't believe it will be politics as usual in Washington should they be elected.
Red Flag 1
08-29-2008, 20:20
It would be a disaster for him. I finally was able to hear the whole speech she gave, quite inspiring.
Baracuda...yep, the name suits her. I don't believe it will be politics as usual in Washington should they be elected.
Can't wait for VP debates.
Mrs NRA Palin vs Shoot from the lip Biden.
Maybe she'll shoot his lips off :D
RF 1
Can't wait for VP debates.
Mrs NRA Palin vs Shoot from the lip Biden.
Maybe she'll shoot his lips off :D
RF 1
LOL! I look forward to the VP debates...but I'm really looking forward to the Presidential debates.
Ambush Master
08-29-2008, 21:24
Debating Obama will be like Dueling with an Un-armed man!!!:D
Take care.
Martin
I'm glad McCain chose Gov. Palin...I, too, think it's a winning choice.
The add that McCain ran, before Obama's speech last night, was "right on". :lifter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v_ioN5SyBM
Gracious and humble in his words, and saying at the end, "Tomorrow we're right back at it", and then coming out with Palin as his VP pick today........I'm thinking that McCain will be moving into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. come January. :D
Moving Target
08-29-2008, 21:51
If you're not smiling yet, hop over to HillaryClintonForum(dot)net and see what they're saying. (I have too much time on my hands.) It's 11 pages, and as far as I can see, all pro Maverick/Barracuda. :D
Pat
I went through around 8 pages of that topic and encountered maybe one negative comment. In fact, Most of them were brimming with enthusiasm over McCain's pick.
Personally, I'm thrilled he chose Palin. Not only is she smart, tough, and right on target with her political stances, but she is also a very attractive woman, and I'm positive that alone will earn Maverick more than a few votes ;)
CoLawman
08-29-2008, 22:07
CoLawman,
I just visited the Federal Elections website, and I see no date stipulations that would stop any donations. The only stiuplations appear to be in dollar amounts
http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/contriblimits.shtml
SnT
Okay thanks!
jamber97
08-29-2008, 22:34
Well take a good look at your next president because I'm doubting MCcain will live long anough to complete one term. The physical toll having lived a public service life,prison camp,surviving cancer,colon polyps, high blood pressure, high lypid levels, old age and he takes after his father who died at 70, ensures that a highly stressfull life as president will be tough to survive.
I don't like the pick. I was hoping for Romney . Our caucus was convinced Romney was the best man for president.
Well take a good look at your next president because I'm doubting MCcain will live long anough to complete one term. The physical toll having lived a public service life,prison camp,surviving cancer,colon polyps, high blood pressure, high lypid levels, old age and he takes after his father who died at 70, ensures that a highly stressfull life as president will be tough to survive.
I don't like the pick. I was hoping for Romney . Our caucus was convinced Romney was the best man for president.
You know, this argument kills me. I was talking to a neighbor tonight about this exact same thing. They were all upset because they were convinced that McCain would die in the next 4 years too. Good HEAVENS people. He's not THAT old. Look at the average life expectancy of folks these days. I don't care what scares he's had - he's been judged fit by his physicians.
Not only that, but...
He's our guy. Like it or not - we've got him in this position and if everyone was this stinkin' concerned with his life expectancy why the crap did he get the nomination in the first place?
I'm not all in love with McCain, but him picking Palin certainly raised his stock in my eyes. Even in the worst of circumstances, I seriously doubt he's going to croak in the first year - so if he dies in Year 2 - she'll have more experience then any of the rest of the clowns out there. I've got tons of confidence in that fact that she'll be quick on the uptake. I also have confidence that if the worst were to happen and McCain were to die, she'd likely appoint a very seasoned and solid VP, so we'd essentially have a Bush/Cheney or Obama/Biden situation. So, no different and all is well. We aren't suddenly going to fall from superpower status. What I think some of these people are really saying (without saying it) is, "She's a girl - can she push the button?"
Yeah - I think this one can.
Furthermore...
I really like that McCain is looking to the next generation of Republicans. It's been my beef with the party for the last 8 years. We don't have superstars. We don't have stand-outs - we have the same old tired people. I'm very glad that we are seeing new blood - especially awesome female blood. These politicans are out there and I think it's in the GOP's best interest to find and promote them. We can't be looking to Powell, Gingrich, McCain and the same old people we've been looking at for the last 15+ years anymore.
Detonics
08-29-2008, 23:44
I believe that Palin is an outstanding pick and I'll admit I'm surprised it happened.
It's nice to have an actual Republican on the ticket and it's wonderful to have something positive take place within the party. I've been pretty much apathetic since Fred bailed.
I found this, a little info since she's not to well known. I think it is a great choice.
Family and personal background
Palin was born in Sandpoint, Idaho, the daughter of Charles and Sally (Sheeran) Heath.[4] Her family moved to Alaska when she was an infant.[5] Charles Heath was a science teacher and track coach.[5] The Heaths were avid outdoors enthusiasts; Sarah and her father would sometimes wake at 3 a.m. to hunt moose before school, and the family would regularly run 5k and 10k races.[5]
Palin was the point guard and captain for the Wasilla High School Warriors, in Wasilla, Alaska, when they won the Alaska small-school basketball championship in 1982; she earned the nickname "Sarah Barracuda" because of her intense play.[5] She played the championship game despite a stress fracture in her ankle, hitting a critical free throw in the last seconds.[5] Palin, who was also the head of the school Fellowship of Christian Athletes, would lead the team in prayer before games.[5]
In 1984, after winning the Miss Wasilla contest earlier that year, Palin finished second in the Miss Alaska beauty pageant which won her a scholarship to help pay her way through college.[5] In the Wasilla pageant, she played the flute and also won Miss Congeniality.
Palin holds a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Idaho where she also minored in politics.
Her husband, Todd, is a Native Yup'ik Eskimo.[5] Outside the fishing season, Todd works for BP at an oil field on Alaska's North Slope[6] and is a champion snowmobiler, winning the 2000-mile "Iron Dog" race four times.[5] The two eloped shortly after Palin graduated college; when they learned they needed witnesses for the civil ceremony, they recruited two residents from the old-age home down the street.[5] The Palin family lives in Wasilla, about 40 miles (64 km) north of Anchorage.[7]
She briefly worked as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations while also working as a commercial fisherman with her husband, Todd, her high school sweetheart.[5] One summer when she was working on Todd's fishing boat, the boat collided with a tender while she was holding onto the railing; Palin broke several fingers.[5]
On September 11, 2007, the Palins' eighteen-year-old son Track, eldest of five, joined the Army.[7] He now serves in an infantry brigade and will be deployed to Iraq in September 2008. She also has three daughters: Bristol, 17; Willow, 13; and Piper, 7.[8] On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome.[9] She returned to the office three days after giving birth.[10] Palin refused to let the results of prenatal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby. "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection," Palin said. "Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"[10]
Details of Palin's personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose hamburger, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane.[11][12] Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.[13]
You know, this argument kills me. I was talking to a neighbor tonight about this exact same thing. They were all upset because they were convinced that McCain would die in the next 4 years too. Good HEAVENS people. He's not THAT old. Look at the average life expectancy of folks these days. I don't care what scares he's had - he's been judged fit by his physicians.
Exactly.
Even in the worst of circumstances, I seriously doubt he's going to croak in the first year - so if he dies in Year 2 - she'll have more experience then any of the rest of the clowns out there. I've got tons of confidence in that fact that she'll be quick on the uptake. I also have confidence that if the worst were to happen and McCain were to die, she'd likely appoint a very seasoned and solid VP, so we'd essentially have a Bush/Cheney or Obama/Biden situation. So, no different and all is well. We aren't suddenly going to fall from superpower status. What I think some of these people are really saying (without saying it) is, "She's a girl - can she push the button?"
On the money again.
The only problem is that you are using logic and reasoning. Something that is not required or really encouraged by the democrats. The obama fanatics and racists will not consider anyone else.
Hell, the Dems candidate for PRESIDENT has zero experience and zero track record but they are not talking about how many heartbeats he would be away from the presidency if elected.
I like the fact that at least we might have one out of the 4 people running in this election that maybe, just maybe nobody has their hooks into yet. Yes her husband works for the oil industry and she supports drilling... Yup he makes all of $47,000/year. Hardly a scandal there. Same with the other "scandals"... you're goign to have a few people out to get you if you piss off as many people as she did. I'm willing to take the chance on her lack of "washington experience" to get someone who might turn out to be a true reformer.
And besides... she's running for VICE President. McCain the pro is the one at the top of the ticket.
I think my favorite part of this so far has been the Obama camp immediately criticizing Palin (for inexperience no less) the day after McCain graciously congratulated Obama on his historic nomination, and then back peddling as fast as they can this morning. I have a feeling Bill Burton might be out of a job this morning.
I think it is going to be an interesting campaign/race.
Remington Raidr
08-30-2008, 09:20
Details of Palin's personal life have contributed to her political image. She hunts, eats moose hamburger, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane.[11][12] Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. She admits that she used marijuana when it was legal in Alaska, but says that she did not like it.[13]
Does she have a sister?:p
uboat509
08-30-2008, 10:13
As I said before, I like Palin but I am not ready to call this a lock for McCain yet. As I thought, this selection has already begun to undermine one of the chief criticisms of Obama, ie his inexperience. The other thing is that democrats are already starting to use the argument that, given her lack of experience she cannot be the best choice that the Republicans have for VP therefore she must be on the ticket to pander to women. Once the initial elation wears off, that isn't going to play well to a least some of the very HRC supporters that they are hoping to court. Additionally, the fact that she is a former beauty queen will be used to portray her as nothing more than eye candy for the McCain ticket. As weak as that argument seems, if appearance didn't count for as much or more than substance, to voters, then Obama would never have been ahead in the polls. Let's see what things look like in a month before we get too excited.
SFC W
ZonieDiver
08-30-2008, 10:46
Exactly.
On the money again.
The only problem is that you are using logic and reasoning. Something that is not required or really encouraged by the democrats. The obama fanatics and racists will not consider anyone else.
Hell, the Dems candidate for PRESIDENT has zero experience and zero track record but they are not talking about how many heartbeats he would be away from the presidency if elected.
I like the fact that at least we might have one out of the 4 people running in this election that maybe, just maybe nobody has their hooks into yet. Yes her husband works for the oil industry and she supports drilling... Yup he makes all of $47,000/year. Hardly a scandal there. Same with the other "scandals"... you're goign to have a few people out to get you if you piss off as many people as she did. I'm willing to take the chance on her lack of "washington experience" to get someone who might turn out to be a true reformer.
And besides... she's running for VICE President. McCain the pro is the one at the top of the ticket.
And... he is a commercial fisherman, as well as a member of the US Steelworkers Union, and a four time snow-mobile race champ. She calls him "the first dude"! They both have a very "middle America" background, and as was stated - it is time for the Republicans to bring new faces to the table. And McCain has!
Romney presents the problems mentioned, plus all the ads the Democrats can run from the primary of Romney slamming McCain (like the Biden ads that the Republicans have and will run).
Some "pundit" this a.m. criticized Palin, saying she will have to learn quickly about such things as "Iran's nuclear situation" etc. How the hell do they know that this isn't an abiding passion of hers? That she doesn't read everything there is to read about it? Quite honestly, if you changed only one thing about her biography - that she was the new, young, MALE governor of AK (well, and maybe the beauty contest thing, too) - many of these same pundits would be lavishing praise.
Just a thought...
Quite honestly, if you changed only one thing about her biography - that she was the new, young, MALE governor of AK (well, and maybe the beauty contest thing, too) - many of these same pundits would be lavishing praise.
Just a thought...
Being totally candid, when I was looking at her a couple of months ago as a possibility - I thought, "Ohh, beauty queen - BAD IDEA." But then I was sort of ashamed of myself because that's such a knee-jerk/stereotypically wrong thing of me to think.
If that becomes a real issue it's sooo answerable -
Miss America is a scholarship pageant. Gov Palin, like so many thousands of other young women, enter these things so they can win/earn/whatever money to get through college. My husband comes from a very large family that couldn't afford to send all of the kids to college (or even help) and they didn't want huge loans on the other end either. So they had the looks, they had the talent and every one of his 5 sisters competed in pageants to pay for college. Miss America is the largest provider of scholarships to women. I know NOW doesn't approve, but they aren't handing out that kind of cash for college either. So they can shut it.
I also wonder how much of an issue this pageant thing can be when half of your female news jockeys were pageant girls themselves. Diane Sawyer, Oprah Winfrey (no seriously), Gretchen Carlson, Debra Norville, Paula Zahn to name a few of the ones who actually WON pageants. I'm not sure I see the press bagging on itself.
Folks it's started:D
Global Warming Does not Kill Polar Bears - Sarah Palin does WITH HER BARE HANDS
Chuck, You and her need to go out for a night on the town. The devastation would be something else.
As I thought, this selection has already begun to undermine one of the chief criticisms of Obama, ie his inexperience. The other thing is that democrats are already starting to use the argument that, given her lack of experience she cannot be the best choice that the Republicans have for VP therefore she must be on the ticket to pander to women. Once the initial elation wears off, that isn't going to play well to a least some of the very HRC supporters that they are hoping to court. Additionally, the fact that she is a former beauty queen will be used to portray her as nothing more than eye candy for the McCain ticket.
Read some of the Clinton blogs, I have. They've addressed both points and found Obama wanting. First by their words they've recognized the difference between President and VP, second they've recognized the difference in experience. Points they've brought, her work in energy and oil in Alaska. Her ethics in action on corruption, pork spending and a veto on a bill against benefits for same sex couples. Many women on the sites have stated, in their words, their uterus isn't their only concern (issue of abortion) and accuse the Dem party of pushing it as a fear issue. The beauty queen statement just pissed them off as a weak argument against an intelligent women who's accomplished more important things.
I've read the Democrat Underground comments as well. There are hard line democrats and liberals who wouldn't have been swayed by any means. There are also democrats who are looking for real change and a fresh candidate untainted by Washington who addresses issues not fantasy. There is the difference.
As I've read posts in thread after thread I haven't been surprised by the hard liners, same ol same ol. I'm shocked at the strength of opinion in the HRC democrats and how the D party has alienated it's members. There's a real fracture there. It's a side of the democrats I haven't seen before.
They've even posted Maverick/Barracuda 08, hells bells they love it.
Talk about fury of women scorned.
USANick7
08-30-2008, 15:17
I am very pleased with the choice so far.
Hat Tip to "abc", I think he was the first to mention her on these pages as a strong potential.
Folks it's started:D
Global Warming Does not Kill Polar Bears - Sarah Palin does WITH HER BARE HANDS
Chuck, You and her need to go out for a night on the town. The devastation would be something else.
Sarah Palin called Chuck Norris a wimp. :D
Pat
charlietwo
08-30-2008, 18:14
Sarah Palin called Chuck Norris a wimp. :D
Pat
Sarah Palin is the only women capable of giving birth to Superman.
:D
I like this pick a lot. Just reading her bio, you can tell she is a natural leader. The sheep will know the voice of the shepherd as it's said, and obviously there are many shepherds in America. I haven't heard much of anything from Obama that makes me think he can lead.
This should be interesting! I still think it's McCain's to lose at this point.:munchin
Hat Tip to "abc", I think he was the first to mention her on these pages as a strong potential.
He's smarter than the pundits! (Which I realize isn't enough of a compliment.)
I still contend that's why they were a little bitter (and still are), they didn't see it coming and McCain's camp kept a good secret.
I don't like the pick. I was hoping for Romney . Our caucus was convinced Romney was the best man for president.
You've never lived in or near enough to MA to see the results of his leadership first hand, have you?
Ret10Echo
08-31-2008, 04:59
Anyone seen any poll numbers since the announcement? I've seen some issue-related poll results and some confidence level stuff but not a head-to-head.
Defender968
08-31-2008, 07:47
Anyone seen any poll numbers since the announcement? I've seen some issue-related poll results and some confidence level stuff but not a head-to-head.
Looks like Obama up by 8 pts right now but the results were from data collected before McCain's VP announcement, I think this shows a bump from the DNC, I'm not sure it's something to get to concerned about yet.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/109933/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Stretches-Lead-Points.aspx
Obama's significant lead over McCain almost certainly reflects the effects of the Democratic National Convention. The two presidential candidates were tied at 45% in the last Gallup Poll Daily tracking results conducted entirely before the convention began. The latest results include interviews from Tuesday through Thursday night, though most of the interviewing was conducted before Obama's acceptance speech late Thursday.
Gallup has measured the convention bounce for candidates in previous years by comparing the last poll conducted entirely before the convention began with the first poll conducted entirely after the convention concludes. That historical calculation is complicated this year by the intense media focus on McCain's selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate on Friday, and the increasing focus on next week's Republican National Convention.
Obama has clearly seen a rise in the polls since the convention began with a 4-point increase in his support (from 45% to 49%) with the margin moving eight points in his favor. Obama's largest advantage at any point in the campaign was a 9-point lead recorded July 24-26, so as his party's convention concludes, he is about as strongly positioned as he has been at any point this year. (To view the complete trend since March 7, 2008, click here.) -- Jeff Jones
Survey Methods
For the Gallup Poll Daily tracking survey, Gallup is interviewing no fewer than 1,000 U.S. adults nationwide each day during 2008.
The general-election results are based on combined data from Aug. 26-28, 2008. For results based on this sample of 2,727 registered voters, the maximum margin of sampling error is ±2 percentage points.
Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).
In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.
The Reaper
08-31-2008, 08:00
That is relatively old data.
Zogby is the first poll conducted completely after Palin being announced, and they are showing McCain-Palin up by two in a head to head race. Bob Barr is not helping things on the Republican side in a four way race. I hope Palin makes a difference there.
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html
If that holds, and the Dims post-convention bounce is flattened by Palin, it does not bode well for the Dims chances.
TR
......and he just picked a gun-loving, take-no-shit, hockey-playing MILF for his VP.
:cool:
:D Proof is in the pudding...
http://www.melaniemorgan.com/component/option,com_jcafe/Itemid,66/view,5927583
:D Proof is in the pudding...
http://www.melaniemorgan.com/component/option,com_jcafe/Itemid,66/view,5927583
I think I'm buying myself a new hoodie! I think I'll wear it when I volunteer at school and see what kind of reaction I get - think they'll kick me out because there's a gun on it? :)
ZonieDiver
08-31-2008, 09:26
I think I'm buying myself a new hoodie! I think I'll wear it when I volunteer at school and see what kind of reaction I get - think they'll kick me out because there's a gun on it? :)
At my school they would! I am trying to get a version of TR's "Adventure Challenge" as a research project in my US-AZ History classes, and the "gun issue" is a big sticking point for some of my administrators.
At my school they would! I am trying to get a version of TR's "Adventure Challenge" as a research project in my US-AZ History classes, and the "gun issue" is a big sticking point for some of my administrators.
Oh I'm sure - I"m only half kidding about wearing it to school. HALF kidding. I think I'd give the principal a heart attack.
uboat509
08-31-2008, 10:09
Read some of the Clinton blogs, I have. They've addressed both points and found Obama wanting. They've even posted Maverick/Barracuda 08, hells bells they love it.
Talk about fury of women scorned.
Right, I understand that they are saying that now and that's great but I am more concerned about how they feel in November when it comes time for them to pull the lever for a staunchly pro-life, pro gun, pro GWOT, pro oil drilling, Conservative Republican. How many of them are going to get cold feet? You remember that it was not so long ago that a lot of Conservatives were outraged by McCain's nomination. The base was just going to stay home and not vote for "McShamnasty" (or whatever other "clever" nicknames they had for him) no matter what. There was even a push in certain sectors to get Conservative "suicide voters" to vote Democrat in the election in an effort to "punish" the Republican electorate for daring to nominate McCain. There are still holdouts who will not vote for McCain but the outrage and furor is gone. McCain will likely get the majority of the base and no large scale voting for Obama by Conservatives will take place. Let's just see where things are in a month before we start to get really excited.
SFC W
Thus far the only handicap to picking Palin for VP is her child with disabilities. I heard one woman caller on a Glen Beck question how Palin could properly care for the child with all the responsibilities being the VP.
My concern is that the MSM and the Obama Campaign will spin this as a vote for Palin is a vote for child neglect.
Personally I give her big kudos for dealing with the cards she was dealt, and for being one of the few politicans out there that has son's/daughters's serving in the military.
Red Flag 1
08-31-2008, 13:03
Thus far the only handicap to picking Palin for VP is her child with disabilities. I heard one woman caller on a Glen Beck question how Palin could properly care for the child with all the responsibilities being the VP.
My concern is that the MSM and the Obama Campaign will spin this as a vote for Palin is a vote for child neglect.
Personally I give her big kudos for dealing with the cards she was dealt, and for being one of the few politicans out there that has son's/daughters's serving in the military.
I would like to think that the CEO of Alaska has looked to the welfare of all of her children, as we all would.
Were the DNC, or anyone for that matter, to spin this issue into a child neglect; I would expect the suggestion would blow up in their faces!
IMHO
RF 1
ps: Then we send Gypsy after them! :D
rf1
USANick7
08-31-2008, 13:32
Thus far the only handicap to picking Palin for VP is her child with disabilities. I heard one woman caller on a Glen Beck question how Palin could properly care for the child with all the responsibilities being the VP.
My concern is that the MSM and the Obama Campaign will spin this as a vote for Palin is a vote for child neglect.
Personally I give her big kudos for dealing with the cards she was dealt, and for being one of the few politicans out there that has son's/daughters's serving in the military.
Please God let them be THAT STUPID!
Ive already got the response for Palin...
Direct response:
"I will not be lectured about proper parenting by a man who votes against a law which prevents babies from failed abortions to receive medical care."
or...
"According to many of my opponents constituents, my child wasn't "fit" to live in the first place, so I think Ill keep my own council when it comes to providing the appropriate amount of love and care for a child."
or...
I'm not sure I'm ready to take parenting advice from a man who doesn't know if protecting the most defenseless of our society is "within his pay grade".
any of those would do.
Please God let them be THAT STUPID!
Ive already got the response for Palin...
Direct response:
"I will not be lectured about proper parenting by a man who votes against a law which prevents babies from failed abortions to receive medical care."
or...
"According to many of my opponents constituents, my child wasn't "fit" to live in the first place, so I think Ill keep my own council when it comes to providing the appropriate amount of love and care for a child."
or...
I'm not sure I'm ready to take parenting advice from a man who doesn't know if protecting the most defenseless of our society is "within his pay grade".
any of those would do.
I couldn't agree more.
GreenSalsa
08-31-2008, 18:25
but my "stealth conservative" daughter in the University of California school system (pre law) says that most of her female peers are "tight" with the idea of a woman VEEP.
Roe v Wade doesn't seem to scare them or their views on the Republican ticket.
Not saying that a fundamental shift in politics will occur in California--but it does draw attention away from the BHO stickers all across the campus...
:munchin
Thus far the only handicap to picking Palin for VP is her child with disabilities. I heard one woman caller on a Glen Beck question how Palin could properly care for the child with all the responsibilities being the VP.
Bring them on.
I defy someone to find fault with this family or this child's care. Clearly his sisters love him and CLEARLY his mom is the most amazing multitasker ever.
Oh wait - she's a Republican Mom - of course she is.
These photos were all taken from McCain's daughter's website where she's got loads of fantastic candid shots. www.mccain.blogette.com
uboat509 point taken, but I'm still impressed by some of the actual consideration in the remarks of many of the posts and blogs I've read (unlike the typical Democratic Underground thread). As in, they don't read like knee jerk responses but instead had some reasoning. Time will tell as you state.
Bring them on.
I defy someone to find fault with this family or this child's care.
Oh, you haven't seen this yet have you. Discussion appeared almost immediately on the Democratic Underground it was the "same ol same ol" I believe I mentioned in a previous post. It was on Daily Kos and Alan Colmes also pushed it.
Here's the gist... Lefty Bloggers Go After Palin's Daughter (http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3375c7-6a27-4b5e-9204-b267282a1ce1)
Sweetbriar
09-01-2008, 08:40
According to one commentator, Palin isn't about being female or a minority representation, but about taking on Washington. I had the real sense that McCain chose her because they were like minded and he had found someone that could be on his ticket. McCain isn't old-fashioned, but his life as an Naval aviator does play. Palin is his wingman now and the long held mission of his heart to shake up Washington is on.
http://joetrippi.com/blog/?p=2459
I can work with that.
Here's the gist... Lefty Bloggers Go After Palin's Daughter (http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3375c7-6a27-4b5e-9204-b267282a1ce1)
That's just gross.
I seriously doubt there are many people who will buy in to that swill. Going after her daughter for having a pooch is just nasty, nasty.
Red Flag 1
09-01-2008, 09:08
That's just gross.
I seriously doubt there are many people who will buy in to that swill. Going after her daughter for having a pooch is just nasty, nasty.
Yep!
The left has once again re-set the low bar.
RF 1
GratefulCitizen
09-01-2008, 10:00
Oh, you haven't seen this yet have you. Discussion appeared almost immediately on the Democratic Underground it was the "same ol same ol" I believe I mentioned in a previous post. It was on Daily Kos and Alan Colmes also pushed it.
Here's the gist... Lefty Bloggers Go After Palin's Daughter (http://townhall.com/blog/g/9b3375c7-6a27-4b5e-9204-b267282a1ce1)
Narcissistic rage.
They know Palin will push the GOP over the top.
She has taken from them something to which they feel entitled.
The dims are starting the descending spiral.
Kyobanim
09-01-2008, 10:22
Ok, let's look at today's news.
Since Palin announced that her 17 year old daughter is 5 months pregnant, what do you think is going to happen?
Her daughter plans on marrying the father, though she didn't say when. A quick jaunt around the news sites and they are already all over her on the family values crap.
My question is, "How many parents out there truely have control over their kids sex life?" How many eally have control over the kids life period?
What do they need to do to defuse this?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/01/1318541.aspx
The left has once again re-set the low bar.
RF 1
I think it's about time that we make them dance the Limbo.
Pat
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) -- Sarah and Todd Palin say their 17-year-old unmarried daughter is pregnant.
The couple said in a statement released by John McCain's presidential campaign that Bristol will keep her baby.
Sarah Palin is McCain's vice presidential running mate.
The Alaska governor says Bristol intends to marry the father of her child.
She and the campaign also are asking that the media respect the family's privacy on this matter.
*****
I'm not sure there's much they can say except - "leave her alone it's private"
Anything they say to try and combat it will increase the fire. Its got to just go away all by itself - if it can.
WHAT A WEEK and it's early Monday.
And they are saying McCain knew about it and doesn't consider it an issue. That it's just a private family matter. We'll see.
Kyobanim
09-01-2008, 10:28
Luckily, the hurricane is grabbing all the headlines.
Update:
ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) -- Bristol Palin, the 17-year-old daughter of Sarah Palin, is pregnant and will keep the baby and marry the father, a senior aide to Sen. John McCain confirmed to CNN Tuesday.
Republican presidential candidate McCain was aware of Bristol Palin's pregnancy before he chose her mother for his running mate, the aide said.
"Senator McCain knew this and felt in no way did it disqualify her from being vice president," said the aide. "Families have difficulties sometimes, and lucky for her she has a supportive family."
The 17-year-old, a senior in high school, is about five months along, in her second trimester, according to the aide.
The aide said it was decided the campaign would reveal this information now because of rampant Internet rumors that Sarah Palin's 4-month-old baby, who has Down syndrome, was actually Bristol's.
"In the course of correcting that, we needed to get the truth out," said the McCain aide.
Sarah and Todd Palin issued a statement saying they are "proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents."
They also asked the media to respect their daughter's privacy.
The McCain aide insisted a key point to keep in mind is that Bristol decided to keep the baby, a decision "supported by her parents."
I'm glad McCain stuck to his guns and chose her anyway. It just goes to show he is confident in his choice. Doesn't matter to me that her daughter is pregnant. Shit happens.
Snaquebite
09-01-2008, 13:15
Just heard briefly on Fox that Obama has issued a statement stating that this will not be an issue and his "team" would not make it one. Let's see how this plays out.
Here's More:
"I have said before and I will repeat again: People's families are off limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics."
On charges that his campaign has stoked the story via liberal blogs:
"I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us," he said. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I thought there was somebody in my campaign who was involved in something like that, they would be fired."
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13050.html
jamber97
09-01-2008, 17:16
Maybe this will make her rethink her stance on sex ed. Kudos to the Obama camp on not making this an issue.
I would like to see more on the RNC this Cat 1 storm needs to be moved to the back page.
Maybe this will make her rethink her stance on sex ed. Kudos to the Obama camp on not making this an issue.
I would like to see more on the RNC this Cat 1 storm needs to be moved to the back page.
jamber97
Read this and tell me what you think her stance is.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837862,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
A little input from her home town. I think they make more sense than all the MSM combined.
This is going by PM to Jamber97
Aspiring 18x (34 year old) coming from the civilian ranks. I am a self proclaimed masochist so I felt the Special Forces were the place for me.
The above is your introduction posted on 05-09-08. I find the use of the adjective masochist to describe your self a bit unusual. Linking it to the Special Forces implies a level of disrespect that I am uncomfortable with, as I am sure others will be, when they take the time to research your contribution to this site in the form of your thematic related posts.
Do not post again until the Team Sergeant reviews my hold and either gives you permission or terminates your membership.
What do they need to do to defuse this?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/01/1318541.aspx
Honestly? Just what they're doing IMO, making a statement and leaving it at that.
Let's review:
The Republican VP nominee's daughter is pregnant, is owning up to it and will keep the baby and marry the father (whether that part about marriage is good or not is up to them) Millions of people over time have either had this happen, or know someone it's happened to... I believe it's a non issue. Except for the left whose heads continue to explode with the news of Sarah Palin's nomination. But I digress. :D
OTOH a Democrat darling, our former POTUS, got himself a BJ in the Oval Office, lied about it under oath to the grand jury and the AMPUB, tried to redefine the term "sexual relations" (remember the wagging finger?) and still retained his office.
What's "worse"?
Except for the left whose heads continue to explode with the news of Sarah Palin's nomination.
I must add here that I've been hearing an uncomfortable amount of GOP'ers who are complaining about her because she's "one heartbeat away" - blah, blah, blah.
In every case it's sour grapes because they are peeved that their guy wasn't chosen. (Usually Huckabee or Romney - which I don't think would have been good picks - either of them.)
The GOP needs to hurry and pull itself together and quit throwing this "he's gonna die" or "she's not experienced enough" crap around. Starting to tick me off. Suck it up or else face Obama for the next 4-8 years. It's really that simple.
I must add here that I've been hearing an uncomfortable amount of GOP'ers who are complaining about her because she's "one heartbeat away" - blah, blah, blah.
See, for me that argument holds no water. 1. So is Obama, well actually he'd *be* the heartbeat 2. Palin has more executive experience.
The ticket is what it is...they need to get over themselves. It's McCain or it's 4 excruciating years with Obama. Seems like a no brainer to me.
Oh BTW I know I'm preaching to the choir on this one. :D
The Republican VP nominee's daughter is pregnant, is owning up to it and will keep the baby and marry the father (whether that part about marriage is good or not is up to them) Millions of people over time have either had this happen, or know someone it's happened to... I believe it's a non issue.
Well said! If this is the worst they can dig up, then Governor Palin is a paragon of virtue.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837862,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
A little input from her home town. I think they make more sense than all the MSM combined.
I love that article, thank you for linking to it. My favorite part:
"Maybe that means Palin is a little too much Northern Exposure for America—after all, her father's good friend Curt Menard happily showed me a picture of the governor as a high schooler in 1981, in a root cellar with family and friends, helping skin and cube and cure a whole moose. It's enough to make you almost miss fake hunters like John Kerry and Mitt Romney."
Aspiring 18x (34 year old) coming from the civilian ranks. I am a self proclaimed masochist so I felt the Special Forces were the place for me.This is funny until! You run into one of us with daughters..."just ask my daughter what happened when her boyfriend called me dude; twice!";)
The above is your introduction posted on 05-09-08. I find the use of the adjective masochist to describe your self a bit unusual. Linking it to the Special Forces implies a level of disrespect that I am uncomfortable with, as I am sure others will be, when they take the time to research your contribution to this site in the form of your thematic related posts.He won't make to to SF anyways.
Do not post again until the Team Sergeant reviews my hold and either gives you permission or terminates your membership.This was said to me when I first got to a team..."I don't give a shit who you get riled up! Don't get the TS riled!" MSG Batchelor was just plain mean!:eek:
Stay safe.
This is funny until! You run into one of us with daughters..."just ask my daughter what happened when her boyfriend called me dude; twice!";)
He won't make to to SF anyways.
This was said to me when I first got to a team..."I don't give a shit who you get riled up! Don't get the TS riled!" MSG Batchelor was just plain mean!
Your getting old my daughters boyfriend or should I say Ex boyfriend call me dude once..... Never saw him again.
MSG B was not that mean...:eek: He was just out of sorts from Noon to Noon:p:D
....run into one of us with daughters..."just ask my daughter what happened when her boyfriend called me dude; twice!";).
All my daughters boyfriends have called me Mr. Never asked them to, they just did.
I'll telling you, that gun rack just inside the front door works wonders.
I still call my inlaws Mr. & Mrs.
WOW, Thompson and Lieberman really gave some good speeches tonight! :lifter Now we just need Giuliani and Palin to kick butt.
She was in at first light today checking the setup and walking through the process to be ready. CNN had her on camera going through the motions while they talked about the Dem's. Guess CNN International needed Video filler while they pumped up the Dem's........ Wish I got another US channel here. Thank God I can get Pod-cast from the US and see something other that Barry....
She is a Good looking 44 year old Gringa.....
ZonieDiver
09-03-2008, 08:10
Your getting old my daughters boyfriend or should I say Ex boyfriend call me dude once..... Never saw him again.
Finally, my older daughter has found a boyfriend I approve of completely. He calls me sir, and I call him Sir - since he is an SF officer! He is even helping to moderate her pretty "lefty" views. Now, if only I could get my younger daughter to find someone similar!
USANick7
09-03-2008, 12:07
Maybe this will make her rethink her stance on sex ed. Kudos to the Obama camp on not making this an issue.
I would like to see more on the RNC this Cat 1 storm needs to be moved to the back page.
Why in the hell would it change her stance on "sex ed". have you even bothered to look at the stats on sex ed since it started?
Your "solution" to teen pregnancy has contributed to the problem, not eased it.
Palin: Poised, intelligent, calm, in control, She is a slam dunk; its over!!! What a presentation at the RNC. Brilliant!!!
I continue to be her biggest fan.
Why does the media keep harping on the fact that someone else wrote her speech? Seriously?? Who doesn't have a speech writer? OH MY HEAVENS, if that doesn't show that the media has massive issues I don't know what else does.
I had issues with all Politicians and a lot of issues with the DIMS. After listening to Palin I am 200 % behind McCain and Palin... To Hell with MSM......:lifter
I had issues with all Politicians and a lot of issues with the DIMS. After listening to Palin I am 200 % behind McCain and Palin... To Hell with MSM......:lifter
I feel like you. The amazing aspect is the Republicans are out Democraticing the Democrats in the terms of equal right.
She was one of the best speakers in both conventions.
My favorite commentator line, I think it was Wolfson -
"She can stick the knife in with a smile." :lifter
I think Sarah Palin hit a grand slam this evening. She was poised, confident, witty, made her talking points re Obama and the dems with a smile...and an almost comedic timing.
I think she has done wonders to revitalize the Republican party in this election. :lifter
My favorite commentator line, I think it was Wolfson -
"She can stick the knife in with a smile." :lifter
:D I just heard that, switched over to see what they were saying about her on CNN...LOL ahhhhhhhh.
Ambush Master
09-03-2008, 21:47
I continue to be her biggest fan.
Why does the media keep harping on the fact that someone else wrote her speech? Seriously?? Who doesn't have a speech writer? OH MY HEAVENS, if that doesn't show that the media has massive issues I don't know what else does.
OK, it was scripted!!! Let OUR VP Candidate have an "UNSCRIPTED DEBATE WITH BHO"!!! She will STOMP his ASS!!!
This TICKET is DEAD ON AND............... gaining speed!!!!
I've been chuckling since Friday.
I take back every negative thing I've said about McCain...and I'm going to be very busy cleaning up after myself. :D
Everyone was great tonight. :lifter Who would have thunk it?
Pat
Palin needs too leave Obama alone.:D
Her saying; she sold the governors plane on Ebay had me LMAO!
Stay safe.
BTW...Those RNC women standing/backing Palin are an aggressive bunch....:munchin
Stay safe.
I spent the last hour or so watching CNN and MNBC to see how they would respond to Governor Palin's speech. It was a painful experience. I've never heard so much BS in my life. There big issue is that she did not address any of the issues on the Republican platform; on how the Republicans are going to turn around this dismal mess. I believe the head of Obama's campaign talked about solving the current record inflation and unemployment.
Apparently he wasn't around when Carter was President and we had double digit inflation. Where the highest marginal tax rate was 90% and construction loan interest rates were in excess of 21%. I doubt that we currently have record unemployment. However, the news media keeps repeating the same bs and people believe it.
What is really annoying is how they continue to paint Clinton as a great financial leader. Can anyone recall any legislation which Clinton championed which had a positive impact on the economy? Can anyone recall any legislation which Clinton championed that became law? Does anyone remember the contract with American republican congress which cut spending and taxes? How about the dot com craze which Clinton had nothing whatsoever to do with?
All in all, it was an embarrassing excercise.
Last evening as I watched our future Vice President deliver her flawless introduction speech; I was amazed at how unaffected she was and how confidently she present not only herself, but her family, her roots, her knowledge of being underestimated and the opprotunity it presented. It was a beautiful thing to witness. Total control!
After the speech, I was shocked at what occurred on CNN. They did not know what to do. Rather then address what and how she had presented herself, they went on break. Wolf Blizer was tongue tied. He realized that his all-star line up of commentators were confused, befuddled. This illustrious group was caught off guard, they were expecting Dan Quail and were lock and loaded for the kill. Instead they were presented with a Trumanisque persona and they surrendered. Wolf Blizer suggested we watch the band; as they retreated and had to rethink and rewrite their bias opinion counter arguments. CNN WENT ON BREAK. That tells me that its over, she is the real deal and the democratic party is in disarray.
Their media attacked what they have always said was of the most cherished symbols: Women.
And it backfired on them. They tried to attack her experience; and that backfired on them. (I think one of my favorite Mayors put an end to that idea.) They attempted to pigeon hole her as hockey mom, and that backfired on them. What was the line? Lipstick = bull’s-eye.
I would expect over the next nine weeks to see the media focus its attention on any possible scandal that they can inflate, or create while she was Governor of Alaska. I expect them to challenge the past eight years of economic issues and President Bushs leadership. I believe it will be an attempt to refocus their position of attack, linking the McCain ticket to the previous administration. It too will backfire, as the party is no longer the party of George Bush. It is the party of John S. McCain; and John McCain has shown us two remarkable executive dicisions in this election cycle: He was right on the surge and he was right on Governor Palin. Its Done!
Goggles Pizano
09-04-2008, 06:56
I would not say its over yet but WOW is this lady a smart, tough cookie! I watched FOX and was also surprised, and annoyed, that the first item discussed was the speech was written for her. That frosted my nads a bit however they immediately followed up with praising the content and delivery.
+1 getting Wolfson to admit the Dems have a real problem on their hands with Sarah Palin. The "stick a knife in and smile" remark was priceless!
I believe the media will miss this point in their zeal to trash Palin and laud B-Ho; hockey moms, soccer moms, working moms were watching this speech, and they like what they saw...themselves. Joey B, you are going to get your ass handed to you by the smiling pit bull in lipstick and I cannot wait to watch!:lifter
greenberetTFS
09-04-2008, 09:06
I spent the last hour or so watching CNN and MNBC to see how they would respond to Governor Palin's speech. It was a painful experience. I've never heard so much BS in my life. There big issue is that she did not address any of the issues on the Republican platform; on how the Republicans are going to turn around this dismal mess. I believe the head of Obama's campaign talked about solving the current record inflation and unemployment.
Apparently he wasn't around when Carter was President and we had double digit inflation. Where the highest marginal tax rate was 90% and construction loan interest rates were in excess of 21%. I doubt that we currently have record unemployment. However, the news media keeps repeating the same bs and people believe it.
What is really annoying is how they continue to paint Clinton as a great financial leader. Can anyone recall any legislation which Clinton championed which had a positive impact on the economy? Can anyone recall any legislation which Clinton championed that became law? Does anyone remember the contract with American republican congress which cut spending and taxes? How about the dot com craze which Clinton had nothing whatsoever to do with?
All in all, it was an embarrassing excercise.
dennisw,
I saw the time frame for this post,and was not watching at that time. However,I was watching both CNN and MSNBC this morning to see there take on it and was surprised to hear them use the term "she hit it out of the ballpark"......
GB TFS :munchin
The Reaper
09-04-2008, 09:10
You do realize that the teleprompter rolled on through the applause and ovations, so that the last half of the speech, she had to deliver from memory.
Contrast that to Obama recently having to stop and wait for his teleprompter to be repaired before he could continue his speech.
I like this lady. The Brit press seems to like her as well.
TR
Roguish Lawyer
09-04-2008, 09:30
I loved the speech and I love this woman. I no longer have any reservations at all about her as the candidate. It was a brilliant pick!
The Reaper
09-04-2008, 09:45
Just wondering, but how do you know that the BHO teleprompter is stopped and the Palin one was not?
Well, since you asked, because they asked why she was deviating from the text of her speech, and the techs reported that the teleprompter was several pages ahead since, as I stated, it did not stop during the applause breaks. It did the same thing during Giuliani's speech.
BHO's teleprompter issue has already been reported on other sources. He stopped his speech and waited for them to fix it.
TR
USANick7
09-04-2008, 09:49
I spent the last hour or so watching CNN and MNBC to see how they would respond to Governor Palin's speech. It was a painful experience. I've never heard so much BS in my life. There big issue is that she did not address any of the issues on the Republican platform; on how the Republicans are going to turn around this dismal mess. I believe the head of Obama's campaign talked about solving the current record inflation and unemployment.
Apparently he wasn't around when Carter was President and we had double digit inflation. Where the highest marginal tax rate was 90% and construction loan interest rates were in excess of 21%. I doubt that we currently have record unemployment. However, the news media keeps repeating the same bs and people believe it.
What is really annoying is how they continue to paint Clinton as a great financial leader. Can anyone recall any legislation which Clinton championed which had a positive impact on the economy? Can anyone recall any legislation which Clinton championed that became law? Does anyone remember the contract with American republican congress which cut spending and taxes? How about the dot com craze which Clinton had nothing whatsoever to do with?
All in all, it was an embarrassing excercise.
One of the perks of being a democrat is that history began 5 min ago...and you get to make that up too!
Originally posted by greenberetTFS
However,I was watching both CNN and MSNBC this morning to see there take on it and was surprised to hear them use the term "she hit it out of the ballpark"......
Even last night, the initial reaction was that she had hit it out, and it was an interesting study to see how upset and lost they were. One of the first comments from the dems was from Harry Reid who called the speech "shrill." When the CNN gals heard that they got pretty pissed. Wolf just about had a coniption fit. He said, "maybe Senator Reid was talking about Rudy's speech, or Mitt's speech." Then the reporter who heard the comments confirmed that it was about Palin. They quickly lined up two dem spokespeople who said using shrill was not a jab at Palin's gender. Wolf never expanded the story. He just tried to swept it under the rug.
On CNBC, they were almost morose after her speech. They only perked up when a NY Times editor sent them an email saying Palin was lying etc.
If you saw it in the movies, you would not believe it.
Originally posted by USANick7
One of the perks of being a democrat is that history began 5 min ago...and you get to make that up too!
Must be nice, buit that's not the only perk. If any problem occurs any time or place, "It's Bush's fault."
I'm glad to see that my governor's been well taken here as the republican running mate.
the best part about Mrs. Palin is the fact that she doesn't follow the standard protocols...
Some of the alaskan state senate are on no speaking terms with her because instead of calling to announce a visit, she'll just pop in on people causing trouble in the senate, pulling filibusters or whatever... and call them on it.
She'd rather see business get done even if it's not in line with what she'd like to see, than to not get issues addressed one way or another.
Mark King
09-06-2008, 05:40
I'm glad to see that my governor's been well taken here as the republican running mate.
the best part about Mrs. Palin is the fact that she doesn't follow the standard protocols...
Some of the alaskan state senate are on no speaking terms with her because instead of calling to announce a visit, she'll just pop in on people causing trouble in the senate, pulling filibusters or whatever... and call them on it.
She'd rather see business get done even if it's not in line with what she'd like to see, than to not get issues addressed one way or another.
I think that is what we might need in D.C. right now. I my opinion.
Yahoo! News story below.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/ap_on_el_pr/palin_interview&printer=1;_ylt=AuqkN3klC19InISJZR5JQQVh24cA
John McCain running mate Sarah Palin sought Thursday to defend her qualifications but struggled with foreign policy, unable to describe President Bush's doctrine of pre-emptive strikes against threatening nations and acknowledging she's never met a foreign head of state.
The Republican vice presidential nominee told Charles Gibson of ABC News in her first televised interview since being named to the GOP ticket that "I'm ready" to be president if called upon. However, she sidestepped on whether she had the national security credentials needed to be commander in chief.
Palin, 44, has been Alaska's governor for less than two years and before that was a small-town mayor. She was McCain's surprise selection for the No. 2 slot on the ticket, raising questions about her readiness to serve in the White House, particularly during wartime.
McCain has defended her qualifications, citing her command of the Alaska National Guard and Alaska's proximity to Russia.
Asked whether those were sufficient credentials, Palin said: "It is about reform of government and it's about putting government back on the side of the people, and that has much to do with foreign policy and national security issues." She said she brings expertise in making the country energy independent as a former chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.
She acknowledged that national security encompasses more than energy but said: "I want you to not lose sight of the fact that energy is a foundation of national security."
Palin said other than a trip to visit soldiers in Kuwait and Germany last year — "a trip of a lifetime" that "changed my life" — her only other foreign travel was to Mexico and Canada. She also said she had never met a head of state and added: "If you go back in history and if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they may have the same answer that I just gave you."
Pressed about what insights into recent Russian actions she gained by living in Alaska, Palin answered: "They're our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."
Foreign policy questions dominated the first of three interviews Palin was giving Gibson over two days.
In the interview Thursday, Palin:
_Appeared unsure of the Bush doctrine — essentially that the United States must help spread democracy to stop terrorism and that the nation will act pre-emptively to stop potential foes.
Asked whether she agreed with that, Palin said: "In what respect, Charlie?" Gibson pressed her for an interpretation of it. She said: "His world view." That prompted Gibson to say "no, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war" and describe it to her.
"I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation," Palin said, though added "there have been mistakes made."
Pressed repeatedly on whether the United States could attack terrorist hideouts in Pakistan without the country's permission, she said: "If there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend."
_Said nuclear weapons in Iran's hands are dangerous, and said "we've got to put the pressure on Iran." Asked three times what her position would be if Israel felt threatened enough to attack Iranian nuclear facilities, Palin repeatedly said the United States shouldn't "second guess" Israel's steps to secure itself.
_Called for Georgia and the Ukraine to be included in NATO, a treaty that requires the U.S. to defend them militarily. She also said Russia's attack into Georgia last month was "unprovoked." Asked to clarify that she'd support going to war over Georgia, she said: "Perhaps so."
"I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help," she said.
_Said she "didn't hesitate" when McCain asked her to be his running mate. "I answered him 'yes' because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on, reform of this country and victory in the war, you can't blink. So I didn't blink then even when asked to run as his running mate."
_Contradicted an assertion she made at her former church that "our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Asked whether she thought the United States was fighting a holy war, she said she meant to convey that she agreed with Abraham Lincoln's quote that "I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words."
Later, in the second interview, Palin said she broke from McCain on climate change and oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska. McCain has said humans have caused climate change and the federal government shouldn't permit drilling in the federally protected wildlife reserve.
Palin, however, said: "I believe that man's activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming, climate change. ... Regardless though of the reason for climate change, whether it's entirely, wholly caused by man's activities or is part of the cyclical nature of our planet — the warming and the cooling trends — regardless of that, John McCain and I agree that we gotta do something about it."
On ANWR, she said: "We'll agree to disagree but I'm gonna keep pushing that and I think eventually we're all gonna come together on that one."
From the Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122116841707025101.html?mod=todays_columnists
Was a little curious about the motorcycle pic statement in the WSJ article and while maybe off-topic I found these.
http://www.palmerelks.org/wwp.htm
http://govserv.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=41
Was a little curious about the motorcycle pic statement in the WSJ article and while maybe off-topic I found these.
You can't make this stuff up,, not even in Hollywood. I just sent the Biker Sara picture and story to all my friends..
Love it,, Go Sara...
The Reaper
09-13-2008, 22:27
Colonel Boyd would be proud of his fellow pilot Captain McCain in picking Palin.
IMHO, the Repubs are now proactive and inside the Dims' OODA loop, and the Dims (and the MSM) are asleep at the switch and slow to react. Their attacks on Palin are ricocheting and hitting Obama. Furthermore, they are energizing the Repub base, and motivating Independent/undecided voters.
This is now starting to affect the Dims downticket, at least in the polls. If they keep shooting themselves in the foot, and the Dim Congress continues to do nothing positive legislatively, this could be the greatest snatching of defeat from the jaws of victory in a very long time. At least, since they declared the GWOT lost and demanded an immediate withdrawal from Iraq.
Well done, Senator McCain.
TR
Dirtywater
09-22-2008, 22:10
60,000+ people at a rally for Palin this weekend in a "retirement" community! I sttod in my yard 30 miles from the rally and witnessed her copter escort from the airport. Wish I could have been there.
Sara is a breath of fresh air for the GOP!
McCain/Palin 2008