View Full Version : Where Are All The Mentors?
taylor_35
06-24-2008, 17:29
Thank you all. You have been a big help.
Kyobanim
06-24-2008, 17:59
Taylor 35,
1. You were sent an email when you registered. Did you even bother to read it?
2. Your profile is not filled out. Refer to #2.
3. Your introduction sucks and is in the wrong place. Again, refer to # 2.
Now, I am going to get out of the way because I see a lot of boots headed your way.
rudelsg2
06-24-2008, 18:03
if this has been around since inception.
If you mean young guys, who have all the answers, have the inability to follow simple instructions and talk about going over the fence to where the grass is greener; why yes it has. Please, put in your packet and enjoy.
Warrior-Mentor
06-24-2008, 18:09
I need some input from some of you guys out there that have been around for awhile. I hope it's me, but it is seeming that guys that have been in group for a few years now are slim picking for guys to keep learning from. When the majority of "older" team guys are, in my mind, not having the right mindset for deployments this day and age, it's hard to keep your mouth shut. It seems like those that have been around before GWOT are more useful for "Do as I say, not as I do." These guys seem to think group is a mere extension of their instructor rotation. Times have changed where you can get by by being able to be a good teacher and not a performer. Yeah its great these guys can teach shoot house SOP's and SUT SOP's, but how is it possible they can't do it themselves.
It is very obvious, once again to me anyway, that new guys have the right mentality of wanting to do their job of fighting and teaching, not just teach. These aren't JCET deployments anymore. These are deployments were you're gonna have to fight, not just teach monkeys and go home. I can say that this is the reason why turnover is so high right now. Guys aren't feeling like everyone is there to fight, there's alot of "Lets just get through this deployment" from leadership. There's alot of packets going in to SMU's right now because of this.
I know I rambled, but I guess I'm looking for some feedback from you guys that have been around the block more than a few times to see if this is a individual thought process on my part or if this has been around since inception.
Dude,
Who are you? What's you're background? Won't guess you're history. How 'bout a some info?
Heck of an intro...
The Reaper
06-24-2008, 18:15
I have to wonder about the intelligence and situational awareness of a kid who comes in guns blazing without even bothering to read the registration message, the rules, or the stickies.
From your blundering in and firing from the hip, you do not sound like the kind of guy I would want to serve with either.
If you want to stick around long enough to get feedback, you need to immediately read the registration message and the rules, and comply, before posting again.
Tempus fugit.
TR
D9 (RIP)
06-24-2008, 19:27
We're 7 years into a shooting war and you think the Regiment doesn't know there's "combat" afoot?
Good one.
taylor_35
06-24-2008, 20:25
I see I have ruffled a few feathers. Didn't mean to, for that I apologize. But you have to agree you have to expect alot out of SF, enlisted and officers, these days and if someone as "young" as myself can see flaws with this then help me out. The op-tempo doesn't allow for alot of wasted time.
D9 (RIP)
06-24-2008, 20:34
Help you out with what? Nobody even knows where you're coming from but you're way off base with your "observations."
It's like someone asking you for directions without telling you where they are. Now you see why you're supposed to post an intro.
I wouldn't expect anyone else to waste their time on you if you do not give us the courtesy of following the directions of this site.
taylor_35
06-24-2008, 20:55
Don't mind me, a little bitter
In response to your earlier post D9 about regiment not knowing about combat afoot.
Tell me, how can I respect and follow unwavering people who have had several "dead man guns" during training; runs right between a simunition fire fight; has an AD into a firing barrel at a chow hall where other conventional units are waiting in line; would rather do a police call in uniform than do FID training in a wartime environment.
This doesn't sound like they are fully aware there's a real fight going on anywhere.
The first three would have a new guy no longer having a team room key.
I would like a little reassurance from someone saying that these are just a few isolated incidents, and that things will get better.
OK Junior STOP Posting and read this thread again.:eek:
The Reaper/D9/Warrior-Mentor, etc..etc...etc told you to READ the INTRO Message and do what you were told. STOP Commenting and follow your instructions from the QP's on this board!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post and Intro in the proper place...... Re Read all post on all threads, Read all Stickies and search more.
Surgicalcric
06-24-2008, 21:53
Incoming!!!!!!!!!
:eek::munchin
You two are out of your lane. As such, I would strongly suggest you find your way back into your lane before one of us has to show you the way...
Questions? I didnt think so.
Crip
NousDefionsDoc
06-25-2008, 00:45
Why are you guys bothering with this ass hat? Ban his stupid ass and move on.
Why are you guys bothering with this ass hat? Ban his stupid ass and move on.I need too vent on his ass...
I need too vent on his ass...
Vent?
I was going to post something after he got his FTFSI tag but deleted it. Sorry I did because after his next two posts - Oh, well.
Hey Taylor, one team is not all of SF, soldier hard and move to another team. Whats that? The other teams are full? Nobody else has room for you? Fancy that.
Vent?
I was going to post something after he got his FTFSI tag but deleted it. Sorry I did because after his next two posts - Oh, well.
Hey Taylor, one team is not all of SF, soldier hard and move to another team. Whats that? The other teams are full? Nobody else has room for you? Fancy that.I guess sharing knowledge with an Infantry squad that's, getting ready to roll (patrol) outside the wire here, in 115+ degree heat ain't mentoring?:confused:
I'm starting too wonder about some these "new" troops and their beliefs that; we FOGs just continue to harass them for the "hell-of-it!"
Stay safe.
Go Devil
06-25-2008, 06:47
Originally Posted by Crip
find your way back into your lane
Wilco! :)
The Reaper
06-25-2008, 07:44
I guess sharing knowledge with an Infantry squad that's, getting ready to roll (patrol) outside the wire here, in 115+ degree heat ain't mentoring?:confused:
I'm starting too wonder about some these "new" troops and their beliefs that; we FOGs just continue to harass them for the "hell-of-it!"
Stay safe.
Concur.
I think too many people are looking for someone to spoon feed them today, and call it mentoring.
I believe that I got mentoring from the VN era guys (though it wasn't called that back then), and sometimes it was fun, and sometimes, it was not. Mentoring can take a lot of forms, and sometimes, it just feels like a good, ole-fashioned, ass-whoopin'. I was blessed with some great Team Sergeants, SGMs, CSMs, and COs when I was coming up.
If the complaint is that there are TSs without tactical and technical proficiency, then I suspect that we have allowed QC to slide to produce more numbers, and that we have both promoted people who perhaps were not ready, as well as not leaving TSs in those slots long enough to adequately learn their jobs. Twenty-four months does not a TS make.
Fleeing for an SMU will only fulfill the "grass is always greener" fantasy, and I have my suspicions that with the heavy influx of Rangers these days, life probably ain't all a bowl of cherries there either.
As for our young Taylor, if he posts again without doing as he has been instructed, he will no longer be posting here at all. I personally have a low tolerance for people who are supposed to be professionals who cannot be bothered with following simple instructions and who think that rules are for the other guys. I hope that he does as requested and finds what he is looking for here.
TR
2 Block Secured
06-30-2008, 16:18
ass hat.....now that's funny, I don't care who you are.
pickalishous
11-04-2008, 22:14
SF has changed and is always evolving. Tactics and doctrine evolve. I would rather have a sesoned team guy who has a few trips down range than a full team of studs that are newbies. Mentoring on a SF team is you are either given a task or seek initiative to accomplish a task not given and you get it done. This is not the regular army where you are getting spoon feed. You find the information to teach a class on your own you do not have time for a (mentor) to show you should wipe this way and then flush. Just like all organizations people do slip through the cracks and a cleansing or genocide of weak genes must commence. An example, of mentoring and cleansing. Part of my first team seargants improcessing was a PT test. If you scored a 270 or above you got to where team PT's if not you wore what big army issued you until you met the standard. A type of mentoring that set the example for the team. Had a newbie fail two PT test and my team daddy put him out of the army he did not kick him around from team to team he got rid of his ass. Also you had to do a war tour, a year on the team, and Ranger school to get your E-6. When I am king of the world (team daddy) I will follow his example. He did not tell you when, where, what you had to do PT on you just knew the end result that must be accomplished. Thats SF mentoring. You are looking for a senior or team daddy to hand you a class on power point slide, the senior or team daddy then teach you the class, and then the cherry if you will watches a senior or team daddy teach it to the team or indig you joined the wrong organization. That is regular army mentoring, SF is team daddy says yeah FNG you are teaching this to them at this time and you make it happen.
Blitzzz (RIP)
11-05-2008, 07:07
Hey Pickle, As a team Sgt I did have a member removed from the community . There are many reasons that may happen but my reasoning was based in the overall person. Just slacker who was trying his best, but didn't have a full rucksack.
I like, Reaper was mentored by old VN vets and it was great. I always felt like I wasn't cutting the muster. I was and became someone that younger guys want to be. So in that, I was able to give what I got.
It is troubling that teams don't have the old timers to mentor. Blitz
If i even had a clue who this guy was i'd script a thoughful and mentor like
answer , however because i don't , I won't .
Sounds like a lob cocking curiousity seeker needing a hug!
ASSHAT , your right that is funny
Rick
I think this info from his profile says it all:
Served in the following units - D Co. 1-50 Inf.
Interests - Tank tread
Occupation - To live long enough to be "Killer Elite" :rolleyes:
Richard's $.02 :munchin
Kyobanim
11-05-2008, 09:54
Richard, you've got a REALLY great picture library. lol