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Surprised it happened now and not months ago. Given the issues with the Thunderbird contract etc... Although I am sure Minot failing it's NSI last week probably had something to do with this as well. I bet we don't see a new chief until after the election.
NBC: Top two Air Force officials resigning
Secretary, chief of staff ousted; choice reportedly was 'resign or be fired'
NBC News and news services
updated 10:06 a.m. PT, Thurs., June. 5, 2008
The nation's top two Air Force officials are resigning, military sources told NBC News Thursday.
Air Force Chief of Staff Michael Moseley and Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne are being forced out, the two sources said. Moseley, a general, is the Air Force's top uniformed officer; Wynne is the top civilian official.
Word of the resignations was first reported by InsideDefense.com and the Air Force Times earlier Thursday.
"Top-level Pentagon officials gave Moseley the option to resign or be fired during a meeting this morning," the InsideDefense.com reported, quoting an unidentified military official.
The Air Force Times noted that the resignations follow high-profile scandals and disagreements between with lawmakers and Defense Secretary Robert Gates over the Air Force's role in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Gates earlier this year publicly stated that the Air Force could dedicate more resources, especially unmanned drones, to those battlefronts.
Sources told the Air Force Times that other senior officers could also be relieved.
A public announcement was expected later in the day. There was no immediate word on who would be nominated to replace Moseley and Wynne.
The Air Force has endured a number of embarrassing setbacks over the past year. In August, for instance, a B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and flown across the country. The pilot and crew were unaware they had nuclear arms aboard.
The error was considered so grave that President Bush was quickly informed.
NBC News producer Courtney Kube, Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report
Constant
06-05-2008, 12:05
SECDEF gave the AF SEC and COS plenty of time to respond to the incidents throughout the year; with no real response. Time to move them out and put in fresh blood. :munchin
Moseley was my boss when I was with JTF-SWA...i would have never expected this from him...:eek:
Monsoon65
06-05-2008, 14:43
I knew that heads would be rolling after the nuke flights, then Minot failing their NSI. I just didn't think it would be this far up the chain of command.
The Reaper
06-05-2008, 15:00
Rumor is Norty Schwartz might be in the running for the job.
That would be a breath of fresh air from the fighter club leadership.
TR
AngelsSix
06-05-2008, 20:17
I think it is nice to see leadership being held accountable for a change. If the leadership is failing, the troops will surely fail as well..............
Rumor is Norty Schwartz might be in the running for the job.
That would be a breath of fresh air from the fighter club leadership.
TR
I was thinking the same thing this morning. I just came from working for Gen Schwartz in his LL office at USTC. He is a great guy. BUT he announced his retirement at his commanders call last month, with the new guy coming in sometime in November. I suppose it is a possibility they could just pull his retirement paperwork.
There for a while we thought he was going to be the new Chairman, but timing was an issue.
Guess we will have to wait and see. From what my husband told me this morning Wynn was shown the door because he was told to fire Mosley and he refused. Within the AF halls it sounds like a few more heads of the General level are going to roll before this is all over.
The Reaper
06-09-2008, 09:32
Rumor is Norty Schwartz might be in the running for the job.
That would be a breath of fresh air from the fighter club leadership.
TR
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364480,00.html
Gates Names Picks for Top 2 Replacements at Air Force
Monday, June 09, 2008
WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Monday recommended Gen. Norton Schwartz be next Air Force chief of staff, the top uniformed leader of the service.
"Today I provided my recommendation to the resident for the nominations to the top civilian and military leadership positions in the Air Force," Gates said in a statement.
"I recommend that Michael Donley be nominated to serve as Secretary of the Air Force," Gates said. The name had surfaced as a likelihood last week.
"I further recommend to the President that General Norton Schwartz be nominated to serve as the Air Force Chief of Staff," Gates said.
Team Sergeant
06-09-2008, 10:44
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364480,00.html
Gates Names Picks for Top 2 Replacements at Air Force
Monday, June 09, 2008
WASHINGTON — Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Monday recommended Gen. Norton Schwartz be next Air Force chief of staff, the top uniformed leader of the service.
"Today I provided my recommendation to the resident for the nominations to the top civilian and military leadership positions in the Air Force," Gates said in a statement.
"I recommend that Michael Donley be nominated to serve as Secretary of the Air Force," Gates said. The name had surfaced as a likelihood last week.
"I further recommend to the President that General Norton Schwartz be nominated to serve as the Air Force Chief of Staff," Gates said.
A "former" Green Beret to head the Air Force? LOL I love Karma.:D
Donley held positions in the 1980s on the National Security Council, where he directed defense programs, as well as on the Senate Armed Services Committee, where he was a professional staff member.
He served in the Army's 18th Airborne Corps and 5th Special Forces Group from 1972 to 1975. He holds bachelor's and master's degrees in international relations from the University of Southern California.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/06/AR2008060601742.html?hpid=moreheadlines
The Reaper
06-09-2008, 10:49
A "former" Green Beret to head the Air Force? LOL I love Karma.:D
Donley held positions in the 1980s on the National Security Council, where he directed defense programs, as well as on the Senate Armed Services Committee, where he was a professional staff member.
He served in the Army's 18th Airborne Corps and 5th Special Forces Group from 1972 to 1975. He holds bachelor's and master's degrees in international relations from the University of Southern California.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/06/AR2008060601742.html?hpid=moreheadlines
Yep, and a former AFSOC commander as CoS.
Wakeup call for the Air Force. The times, they are a changing.
TR
Ret10Echo
06-09-2008, 10:53
Yep, and a former AFSOC commander as CoS.
Wakeup call for the Air Force. The times, they are a changing.
TR
Wha...? You mean become part of a combined arms military and support the ground fight.....?
:D
Defender968
06-09-2008, 20:04
I can speak from personal experience that the Air Force needs a culture change, integrity and warrior ethos need to be more than buzz words commanders use, they need to be ingrained and internalized into the rank and file from the Secretary all the way down to the brand new airman entering basic at Lackland. I can only hope if Gen Schwartz and Michael Donley are both confirmed they can affect the change that is so needed in the Air Force by drawing upon their AFSOC and USASOC backgrounds and bring that warrior mentality to cooperate AF.
Just my .02
Constant
06-10-2008, 09:30
Yep, and a former AFSOC commander as CoS.
Wakeup call for the Air Force. The times, they are a changing.
TR
I hope that both put in motion changes that will have us, the chAir Force, become quite uncomfortable for a time. We need to do more and realize that the burden of this war must be shared by all.
Team Sergeant
06-10-2008, 09:59
I hope that both put in motion changes that will have us, the chAir Force, become quite uncomfortable for a time. We need to do more and realize that the burden of this war must be shared by all.
Keeping that in mind I’ll give you guys a helping hand; I’m planning to write the new Secretary of the Air Force Michael Donley and inform him that just because he was a former “Green Beret” NOT expect the current Air Force to do more PT.
Signed:
Chief Master Sergeant of the Air Force
Scimitar
06-10-2008, 11:09
Nice one!
Well this says it all.
New Airforce Advert.
"It takes the US Airforce to protect America in a changing world"
"The US Air Force - above all"
Kinda exclusive don't you think.
Scimitar
Nice one!
Well this says it all.
New Airforce Advert.
"It takes the US Airforce to protect America in a changing world"
"The US Air Force - above all"
Kinda exclusive don't you think.
Scimitar
No more so than "Army of One"
Each Service has its own cultures, which need to be respected. With that being said, the AF needs to take a serious look in the mirror. I am proud to be an airman, but I am not proud of our current leadership. Yes there are a few Generals that are outstanding, but many of them have becomed more concerned about their next star than anything else.
I was raised in an enlisted household and my dad always taught me that what your subordinates think of you is much more important than what your superiors think of you. You take care of your troops and they are going to take care of you. The Air Force has lost this mindset and now we are a bunch of bumbling "yes men" because we are afraid our superiors won't like what we have to say. That is why we are in the mess we are currently.
I think Gen Schwartz is the man to clean house. He is not a yes man by any stretch of the imagination. He does not appreciate people telling him what they think he wants to hear, he appreciates being told the truth, even if the truth is ugly.
No more so than "Army of One"
Each Service has its own cultures, which need to be respected. With that being said, the AF needs to take a serious look in the mirror. I am proud to be an airman, but I am not proud of our current leadership. Yes there are a few Generals that are outstanding, but many of them have becomed more concerned about their next star than anything else.
I was raised in an enlisted household and my dad always taught me that what your subordinates think of you is much more important than what your superiors think of you. You take care of your troops and they are going to take care of you. The Air Force has lost this mindset and now we are a bunch of bumbling "yes men" because we are afraid our superiors won't like what we have to say. That is why we are in the mess we are currently.
I think Gen Schwartz is the man to clean house. He is not a yes man by any stretch of the imagination. He does not appreciate people telling him what they think he wants to hear, he appreciates being told the truth, even if the truth is ugly.
Is Airman a sexist term.. Should you not be called Airchic or Airdale, or something else non gender related. But AirMAN is a little one sided male sounding. Soldier is non gender, Sailor is non gender and do not forget the Marines they had to make it simple for them, they are just Marines....:D Just had to rant and make fun, back in my hole until the next TGT pops up......:lifter
AngelsSix
06-10-2008, 20:53
Just remember that the Airborne troops ride in Air Force aircraft. The Security Forces in the Air Force have taken on the role of the soldiers whose job it was to man the perimeter of the base so they can go out and get the crap kicked out of them. The folks in the AF aren't dumb, they know who's on the winning end of the deal.:D
In all seriousness, I left the cop side of the house and went into combat arms because the Air Force wanted to make cops infantrymen above all else. The problem with that is that the AF is not traditionally a ground combat force. Because of this the SF (security forces) are not taken seriously anymore, basically get crapped on and hate their jobs. There are more factors involved here (people failing out of other schools being dumped into SF) etc., that contribute. But when Big Air Force started treating SF like shit, they got what they got. The reason the SF guys failed the NSI is clear, they are tired of the BS.
Is Airman a sexist term.. Should you not be called Airchic or Airdale, or something else non gender related. But AirMAN is a little one sided male sounding. Soldier is non gender, Sailor is non gender and do not forget the Marines they had to make it simple for them, they are just Marines....:D Just had to rant and make fun, back in my hole until the next TGT pops up......:lifter
I just blew captain and coke all over my computer screen, through my nose!! Thanks for the laugh!!!
I just blew captain and coke all over my computer screen, through my nose!! Thanks for the laugh!!!
Your welcome.....:D:D
Team Sergeant
10-19-2008, 15:36
Infil complete, one down, three more services to go......;)
Team Sergeant
Donley officially sworn in as Secretary of the Air Force
by Staff Sgt. J.G. Buzanowski
Secretary of the Air Force Public Affairs
10/17/2008 - WASHINGTON (AFNS) -- Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates officially swore in Michael B. Donley as the Secretary of the Air Force Oct. 17 at the Air Force Memorial.
In his speech, Secretary Donley said he's honored to serve as the senior civilian leader of the Air Force and looks forward to the challenges of the position.
"To the men and women of the Air Force, to its many stakeholders, and to all who know and love this tremendous institution, I commit to you my full energies during my term of office as the 22nd Secretary of the United States Air Force," Secretary Donley said. "It is my honor and privilege to accept this appointment as Secretary of the Air Force. I am grateful to once again be serving with the finest Air Force in the world."
In the coming days, the Air Force will face several issues, but is prepared to tackle any obstacle, he said.
"As the Air Force looks forward, the possibilities are unlimited," Secretary Donley said. "We are making great strides in strengthening our nuclear enterprise and restoring acquisition excellence, and there is absolutely no question that America's Airmen are 'all in' for today's joint and coalition fight."
Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton A. Schwartz was the presiding official for the ceremony.
"Today we celebrate Secretary Donley's virtuous character, strong leadership, and personal example of our Air Force core values," General Schwartz said. "It is a privilege to have Secretary Donley lead our Air Force as we go through these important times."
His leadership has reinforced the standards of performance, ethics and accountability necessary for us to continue our heritage of excellence, General Schwartz added.
Secretary Donley has more than 30 years of experience in the national security community, including service in the Senate, White House and the Pentagon. In his most recent position, he was responsible for Washington Headquarters Services, a 1,300-employee entity that oversees management of the Pentagon and Department of Defense services within the National Capital Region, and the Pentagon Force Protection Agency.
Secretary Donley, who was acting Secretary of the Air Force for seven months in 1993 and served as the service's top financial officer from 1989 to 1993, also served on the National Security Council and was a professional staff member on the Senate Armed Services Committee in the early 1980s.
He served in the Army's 18th Airborne Corps and 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne) from 1972 to 1975. He holds bachelor's and master's degrees in international relations from the University of Southern California.
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123120155
Michael B. Donley's Defense Link Bio
http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/biographydetail.aspx?biographyid=43
USAF Bio
http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=11336
Was he an MI guy? Sounds like it.
Also put an experienced 'program' guy as Vice CofS to ensure the safety/security of our nuclear arsenal after the accountability fiascos of the last couple of years. ;)
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/10/airforce_senate_confirmations_100208/
Richard :munchin
Times are a'changin for the boy's and girls in blue. Effective 1 Nov 2008 Gucci accessories (shoes, boots, handbags, and belts) will no longer be authorized for wear with USAF uniforms.
Times are a'changin for the boy's and girls in blue. Effective 1 Nov 2008 Gucci accessories (shoes, boots, handbags, and belts) will no longer be authorized for wear with USAF uniforms.
That'll be the day! What else are they going to do with all that TAD money? :rolleyes::p:D
Richard's $.02 :munchin
AngelsSix
10-23-2008, 15:12
That'll be the day! What else are they going to do with all that TAD money?
Richard's $.02
TDY money and per diem long since have dried up in the AF unless you are going to a school. We don't make any more money deploying than the Army does.
Red Flag 1
10-23-2008, 15:56
Times are a'changin for the boy's and girls in blue. Effective 1 Nov 2008 Gucci accessories (shoes, boots, handbags, and belts) will no longer be authorized for wear with USAF uniforms.
As a USAF officer from 1973 thru 1990, I paid for all my uniforms. My uniform stipend signing on covered my mess dress, nothing more! I got a one time reimbursment of about $300.00 at the 12 year mark. Our uniforms changed frequently and I paid for every uniform change out of pocket.
The belts, shoes, boots I wore, I bought from clothing sales; as did every officer I served with. If designer duds were worn, it was well above my pay grade, and I had a bonus.
With all due respect, you seem to infer something that is probably not so. At several bases I was stationed at, Plattsburgh AFB to name one, our enlisted below E-4 were on food stamps. Hard to buy designer duds if you are close to starving.
RF 1
I don't give a hoot about Gucci gear and such, but if the new Sec AF can cut out a couple meetings and instill a "Git 'er done" attitude, I'll be a happy man. If the AF has a flaw--and I'm not sayin' it does--it loves it's meetings way too much.
On second thought, You can't beat that nice Cardigan sweater, and I do have a really nice pair of low quarters.... ;)
Red Flag 1
10-23-2008, 17:14
I don't give a hoot about Gucci gear and such, but if the new Sec AF can cut out a couple meetings and instill a "Git 'er done" attitude, I'll be a happy man. If the AF has a flaw--and I'm not sayin' it does--it loves it's meetings way too much.
On second thought, You can't beat that nice Cardigan sweater, and I do have a really nice pair of low quarters.... ;)
Yup!
Last AF Times mentioned an increase in manpower as well.
My low quarters were Bates, Sweater V-neck.
RF 1
Effective 27 OCT 2008 USAF personnel (current and past) will be required to attend humor recognition classes.
Gucci accessories :cool:will not be permitted in the classrooms.
Red Flag 1
10-24-2008, 11:54
Effective 27 OCT 2008 USAF personnel (current and past) will be required to attend humor recognition classes.
Gucci accessories :cool:will not be permitted in the classrooms.
Got it ! :D
Is sensitivity traning included? USAF was big on that.
How about Polo stuff?
RF 1
greenberetTFS
10-24-2008, 13:20
As a USAF officer from 1973 thru 1990, I paid for all my uniforms. My uniform stipend signing on covered my mess dress, nothing more! I got a one time reimbursment of about $300.00 at the 12 year mark. Our uniforms changed frequently and I paid for every uniform change out of pocket.
The belts, shoes, boots I wore, I bought from clothing sales; as did every officer I served with. If designer duds were worn, it was well above my pay grade, and I had a bonus.
With all due respect, you seem to infer something that is probably not so. At several bases I was stationed at, Plattsburgh AFB to name one, our enlisted below E-4 were on food stamps. Hard to buy designer duds if you are close to starving.
RF 1
Excellent point RF1,When your on food stamps it's hard to believe your thinking about designer clothes........:(
GB TFS :munchin
The Air Force has endured a number of embarrassing setbacks over the past year [2007}. In August, for instance, a B-52 bomber was mistakenly armed with six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and flown across the country. The pilot and crew were unaware they had nuclear arms aboard.
The error was considered so grave that President Bush was quickly informed.
And we always thought the former-USSR's nuclear surety program had issues.
Richard
Nuclear Missile Officers Reportedly Implicated In Drug Probe
NPR, 9 Jan 2014
Two U.S. Air Force officers with authority to launch nuclear-tipped Minuteman 3 missiles, have reportedly been implicated in an illegal-narcotics investigation.
The Associated Press, citing an unnamed official, says the officers are based at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana and work for the 341st Missile Wing.
The report comes on the same day that Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel is scheduled to visit a similar base in Nebraska that also houses underground missile silos. The AP reports that "the official says the officers' access to classified information has been suspended and the Air Force is investigating."
It's the latest sign of trouble for the country's aging missile forces, which the AP says, "have been suffering under security lapses, discipline problems and low morale."
In August, the same 341st, which controls about a third of the nation's land-based ICBMs, failed inspection after making "tactical-level errors during one of several exercises," the Air Force's Global Strike Command said in a statement.
Four months previous, 17 officers at the 91st Missile Wing, based at Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota, had their authority to control missiles yanked after an inspection gave crews a grade of "D" on their mastery of Minuteman 3 launch procedures.
And, in October, the Air Force's top missile commander, Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, was relieved of command in what was described at the time as "a loss of trust and confidence ... that stemmed from Carey's "behavior during a temporary duty assignment."
Reuters reports that the general, who led the 20th Air Force headquartered at Warren Air Force Base, Wyo. — the same base that Hagel was due to visit — exhibited "drunken and inappropriate behavior while leading a security delegation to Moscow."
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/01/09/261110708/nuclear-missile-officers-reportedly-implicated-in-drug-probe?ft=1&f=1003