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I've been without a computer for months now and finally got it back from the repair shop...just checking in to make sure Razor is behaving (ha!) and see how the rest of you gentlemen and ladies are doing.
My fingers are crossed right now...been with my current department for two years and I have been "informed" that I need to put in for the Homicide Unit. There's normally a three year minimum, but you know how that goes. I think my hubby has greater faith that I'll get it than I do :-). 1700 officers and only two years on, it's hard to believe anyone has taken notice....
The interview process should be starting soon, wish me luck!!
Did your husband give you permission to leave the kitchen to use the computer? :cool:
Razor will have me up for hours researching his shit.:D
Stay safe.
Like all good medics, he sits there and does what he's told :lifter.
My fingers are crossed right now...been with my current department for two years and I have been "informed" that I need to put in for the Homicide Unit. There's normally a three year minimum, but you know how that goes. I think my hubby has greater faith that I'll get it than I do :-). 1700 officers and only two years on, it's hard to believe anyone has taken notice....
The interview process should be starting soon, wish me luck!!
The command staff must have "informed" them they need more females in the unit.
Ain't diversity a bitch?:D
Good luck.
CoLawman
04-22-2008, 07:22
Congrats and Good Luck Blue!
Goggles Pizano
04-22-2008, 07:48
The command staff must have "informed" them they need more females in the unit.
Ain't diversity a bitch?:D
Good luck.
He shoots, he scores.
The command staff must have "informed" them they need more females in the unit.
Ain't diversity a bitch?:D
Good luck.I got in trouble for some thing like that on a "construction" site.:eek:
Stay safe.
The command staff must have "informed" them they need more females in the unit.
Ain't diversity a bitch?:D
Good luck.
Of course. It could never be considered that I might have actually earned the position.
CPTAUSRET
04-22-2008, 09:07
Of course. It could never be considered that I might have actually earned the position.
Blue:
I do believe that mdb is twitting you...ie, I saw no malice in his post.
Of course. It could never be considered that I might have actually earned the position.
I really was just messing with you, hence the smiley. Besides, I don't hate the players, I hate the game. LOL
Look, at my PD (which is roughly the same size as yours), Homicide is one of the most coveted jobs there is.... guys spend years working their way to that unit. They do their field time, then go over to violent crimes..... work their way from DV or Juvi Crimes to Robbery, then move up to Homicide. It's a vetting process that takes years of work. It's where our "best of the best" go after years of proving themselves as cops and then as detectives. I can't imagine that it is -that- different at your PD.
So know that it will raise eyebrows when the guys at homicide specifically come to you, with 2 years of patrol experience under your belt, and "inform" you that you really need to put in for homicide. Either you are the greatest, most dynamic, Earth shattering cop to have ever worn a gunbelt (which is entirely possible), or there is another variable.
Let me ask you an honest question...... there are 1700 cops at your PD. Many of these cops have years of experience on you, have already put in years in other investigative positions, have conducted tons on interrogations, worked hundreds of crime scenes as detectives, etc..... what do you, with 2 years of patrol experience, bring to the table that is so exceptional that it justifies the dept waiving the 3 year field requirment and putting you straight into homicide? What makes you so "head and shoulders" better than the other cops that have done their time, have already been assigned to other investigative units, etc.?
I honestly have no doubts that you are an amazing cop, and probably a great person to work with and be around. No doubt at all. I am not questioning your abilities or your character. I am sure that both are top notch.
But since you asked me why it couldn't be that you have simply earned the position.... my answer to that would be part of earning it is having to do your time in the field like everyone else. I think everyone should be treated the same.
Like I said, no doubts that you are an exceptional officer, or they wouldn't have come to you. But I am equally as sure that there are other exceptional officers at your PD who have done their 3 years, have already been detectives, and therefore have "earned" the job more than you at this point in your career. Should you get the position (which you probably will, or they wouldn't have sought you out), these dudes will be pissed.
I really do wish you the best of luck K. Like I said, it is the whole process and system that I have a problem with, not with you.
Don't hate the player, hate the game, right?:D
Take care, and good luck.
Of course. It could never be considered that I might have actually earned the position.
Blue,
Good luck! Keep kickin' a**! :lifter
Holly
Sorry, Terry, there is previous history I am drawing on.
mdb23, since you do not know the whole story, the climate at my department, nor do you know exactly what ALL of my professional experience is, the below is pure supposition and speculation and smacks of jealousy.
It was not the "command" staff that came to me asking me to put in. It was the guys (read: male Homicide detectives who have YEARS in the unit and no desire to attempt to get into my pants) on the ground, who know my work and know my experience. You have made it clear before you think my previous experience (what little you know of it) is worthless, but apparently you are alone in that regard. If anyone is "pissed" if I get the position, then they should have worked harder. If they were just looking for a p*$#y to fill a position, then surely one of the hundreds of other women with far more experience would have been better to approach.
Admins, please just delete this thread. So much for good tidings.
I really was just messing with you, hence the smiley. Besides, I don't hate the players, I hate the game. LOL
Look, at my PD (which is roughly the same size as yours), Homicide is one of the most coveted jobs there is.... guys spend years working their way to that unit. They do their field time, then go over to violent crimes..... work their way from DV or Juvi Crimes to Robbery, then move up to Homicide. It's a vetting process that takes years of work. It's where our "best of the best" go after years of proving themselves as cops and then as detectives. I can't imagine that it is -that- different at your PD.
So know that it will raise eyebrows when the guys at homicide specifically come to you, with 2 years of patrol experience under your belt, and "inform" you that you really need to put in for homicide. Either you are the greatest, most dynamic, Earth shattering cop to have ever worn a gunbelt (which is entirely possible), or there is another variable.
Let me ask you an honest question...... there are 1700 cops at your PD. Many of these cops have years of experience on you, have already put in years in other investigative positions, have conducted tons on interrogations, worked hundreds of crime scenes as detectives, etc..... what do you, with 2 years of patrol experience, bring to the table that is so exceptional that it justifies the dept waiving the 3 year field requirment and putting you straight into homicide? What makes you so "head and shoulders" better than the other cops that have done their time, have already been assigned to other investigative units, etc.?
I honestly have no doubts that you are an amazing cop, and probably a great person to work with and be around. No doubt at all. I am not questioning your abilities or your character. I am sure that both are top notch.
But since you asked me why it couldn't be that you have simply earned the position.... my answer to that would be part of earning it is having to do your time in the field like everyone else. I think everyone should be treated the same.
Like I said, no doubts that you are an exceptional officer, or they wouldn't have come to you. But I am equally as sure that there are other exceptional officers at your PD who have done their 3 years, have already been detectives, and therefore have "earned" the job more than you at this point in your career. Should you get the position (which you probably will, or they wouldn't have sought you out), these dudes will be pissed.
I really do wish you the best of luck K. Like I said, it is the whole process and system that I have a problem with, not with you.
Don't hate the player, hate the game, right?:D
Take care, and good luck.
Team Sergeant
04-22-2008, 13:47
I went to a murder investigation, I will not say where;) I was looking at photo's of the dead guy, shot in the head with 00 buck. On his face was a wonderful imprint of the shotshell plastic wad. I was mentioning the fact the shooter was fairly close to have the wad impact and leave a perfect inprint on the deadguys face. The homicide det (male) didn't have a clue what I was talking about..... we then went into how shot gun shells are made......:rolleyes:
mdb23,
The next out of line comment you make you will be gone. If you even hint at such I will ban you myself.
Lest you forget I am married to a Trauma Surgeon & Vice Chair of Surgery. This is not a mans world, not in the least.
Keep your gender comments/thoughts & inferences to yourself or take them somewhere else.
There will be no second warning.
Team Sergeant
CPTAUSRET
04-22-2008, 14:00
Sorry, Terry, there is previous history I am drawing on.
mdb23, since you do not know the whole story, the climate at my department, nor do you know exactly what ALL of my professional experience is, the below is pure supposition and speculation and smacks of jealousy.
It was not the "command" staff that came to me asking me to put in. It was the guys (read: male Homicide detectives who have YEARS in the unit and no desire to attempt to get into my pants) on the ground, who know my work and know my experience. You have made it clear before you think my previous experience (what little you know of it) is worthless, but apparently you are alone in that regard. If anyone is "pissed" if I get the position, then they should have worked harder.
Admins, please just delete this thread. So much for good tidings.
Blue:
No, I was not aware of any history...Good luck!
Thanks TS and Terry...if it the comment had come from anyone else, I would have assumed it as a joke and taken it as such. I'll go back to Razor's kitchen now :D.
It is by no means a done deal, and the competition is tight. On a side note, one of the detectives retiring this year (and one of the ones rooting for me) is the infamous Connor of the landmark Supreme Court case, Graham v. Connor (490 U.S. 386, 1989). Someone like that doesn't get in your corner because of politics. But I've still got to earn my spot.
The next out of line comment you make you will be gone. If you even hint at such I will ban you myself.
Lest you forget I am married to a Trauma Surgeon & Vice Chair of Surgery. This is not a mans world, not in the least.
I never said that it was a man's world. My post has nothing to do with sex, and everything to do with experience and equal treatment for everyone. I wish Blue the absolute best (and did so in my post), and complimented her abilities as an officer. I was sincere in doing so, and am not jealous in the slightest.
Please don't twist my word's into some sexist diatribe..... they weren't. If you want to ban me, that is your prerogative, but don't make it into something that it isn't.
You make a detailed argument in favor of me only being considered because I'm a female, and somehow it's not sexist? If you weren't trying to make a point, you would have said, "Good luck" without the snide comment and left it at that.
It is by no means a done deal, and the competition is tight. On a side note, one of the detectives retiring this year (and one of the ones rooting for me) is the infamous Connor of the landmark Supreme Court case, Graham v. Connor (490 U.S. 386, 1989). Someone like that doesn't get in your corner because of politics. But I've still got to earn my spot.
Blue,
If it does not violate OPSEC, can you share what, in general, you must go through in the review process to become a detective? (i.e. peer-reviews, exams, interviews...)
Can only imagine, but if someone is turned down for the position, is it because of these factors?
Am excited you are going for it! I find it fascinating, and hold LE in a very high regard! :lifter
Holly
Holly,
It varies from department to department. Generally, it would consist of application (my current department requires resume, letter of interest, and transfer request to get the ball rolling). I also completed a ride-along with the unit for a period of time so they could see me at work. One's professional experience, to include commendations, performance reviews, and the negative stuff :cool: is taken into consideration. They will also look at reports I have written and investigations I have conducted (here, patrol officers are required to do their own investigations short of select felonies that are assigned to FIB), as well as amount of vacation and sick time taken. There will also be a VERY rigorous oral interview board. That's it in a nutshell.
You make a detailed argument in favor of me only being considered because I'm a female, and somehow it's not sexist? If you weren't trying to make a point, you would have said, "Good luck" without the snide comment and left it at that.
It isn't sexist, I promise. I never said that women don't belong in police work, or that they can't do as good of a job. They do belong here, and they are as good (and in many cases better) than their male counterparts. I sincerely hold nothing against you personally whatsoever. And you are correct, I should have just wished you luck and left it at that.
For that, I do apologize. I mean it.
If you look, my "detailed argument" was that you shouldn't get the job because you havent put in your time yet, not because you are female. The latter has nothing to do with it.... at all. My take on it is that if everyone else has to do three years first, then so should you and I. Sex has nothing to do with it. I also believe that the most qualified person, regardless of sex, should have the job, and I guarantee that on a dept of 1700 people, there is someone with more than 2 years of patrol on their pedigree that wants the job. One standard for everyone. I fail to see how that is sexist.
Unfortunately, that isn't the way that PDs roll, and we both know that. PDs are often more concerned with unit demographics than they are with job performance. I am not saying that this is the case for you and your situation, but that it is a fact of our profession. I have personally sat in on discussions where commanders and Sgts have said that they have to take a female as their next pick for a job. if none meet the requirements, then that requirement gets waived. That is BS. It isn't sexist to say that everyone needs to be treated equally.
Like I said, I am sure that you are an awesome cop, but I still think that you should have to do 3 years like everyone else, then the sky should be the limit for you. I simply don't think it is appropriate or fair to the people that did do their time to make "special exceptions" for certain individuals, while requiring others to toe the line when it comes to standards and policies. It isn't fair to the dudes and dudettes who have put in their time and worked their way toward a goal.
However, I should have just wished you luck...the topic is just a pet peeve of mine, and my mouth started running. Once again, I apologize. If you took it personally, it wasn't. I really was messing with you when I made my initial post, but admittedly got a little hot under the collar when you said that you got asked because "you earned it." In my humble opinion, no cop earns the right to do anything in 2 years in the field. Most of us, myself included, didn't know our asses from a hole in the ground until we had 5, 6 , or 7 years on, which is why the minimum time requirements are in place.
But it was unprofessional of me to say anything.
Anyway, I hope that clears up my being a "he man woman hater," as nothing could be further from the truth. If saying that there should be one standard for everyone, and that everyone should have to do their time (men and women alike) gets me banned, I'll live with it.
Best of luck.
I'll go back to Razor's kitchen now :D.
Don't forget to wear that oh so special teeshirt. :D
Best of luck to ya, woman!
Holly,
It varies from department to department. Generally, it would consist of application (my current department requires resume, letter of interest, and transfer request to get the ball rolling). I also completed a ride-along with the unit for a period of time so they could see me at work. One's professional experience, to include commendations, performance reviews, and the negative stuff :cool: is taken into consideration. They will also look at reports I have written and investigations I have conducted (here, patrol officers are required to do their own investigations short of select felonies that are assigned to FIB), as well as amount of vacation and sick time taken. There will also be a VERY rigorous oral interview board. That's it in a nutshell.
Blue,
Wow! An insight into LE Detective selection...have always been curious.
In any case, it seems that there are folks in your AO that see you as an asset to the detecive unit, regardless of race, gender, ethnic etc.
That is what a lot of us civilians expect from our LE. To know they take these types of choices seriously, is a good thing! :lifter
Again, good luck!
Holly
I read the job announcement and it requires "three years of police work." Now considerring that previously, before opennings were announced, the "official" prereq was three years on patrol. So "something" prompted the change. In addition, I have met the members of homicide who are pushing for Blue to win her way up there (she still has to pass the board/ interview). It has nothing to do with "paying dues". It has to due with the fact that that team is very tight, and holds a high standard. Blue fits in and they know it because she was invited to apply after a lot of interface with them on the street. And her ability to fit in and be productive was solidified during an internship with them. And one more thing on longevity; 18X-ray/ Rep-63...
There's normally a three year minimum, but you know how that goes.
Again, unless you have psychic knowledge of ALL of my experience, you were commenting outside your lane. Any minimum rule can be bent if they find overwhelming evidence that doing such would be beneficial to the department and the unit. In this case, it means taking my other EIGHT years of experience into play. All those numerous scenes, interrogations, blah blah blah you mentioned? BTDT, just not at this department. I will put my resume up against any ten year patrol veteran. But as it stands, my two years here have been spent on 3rd shift in the roughest part of the city (which at last check ranked as the 8th most dangerous in the nation)...I suppose an officer who has met the three year minimum on 1st shift in a retirement division brings more to the table with that extra year of writing tickets.
The fact that the detectives noticed the quality of my work and chose to dig further to find out about me and put me forward as a candidate humbles me.
I'm done with the drama. Have a good day, gentlemen. Apology accepted, mdb23.
In this case, it means taking my other EIGHT years of experience into play.
You have eight years of sworn law enforcement experience outside of this department? If so, say so and I will ban myself. I'm serious. If that is the case, then I double apologize.
Take care. Im hitting the gym.:lifter
You have eight years of sworn law enforcement experience outside of this department? If so, say so and I will ban myself. I'm serious. If that is the case, then I double apologize.
Take care. Im hitting the gym.:lifter
And that is what this all has been about. Paying dues.
Team Sergeant
04-22-2008, 17:54
I really was just messing with you, hence the smiley. Besides, I don't hate the players, I hate the game. LOL
Look, at my PD (which is roughly the same size as yours), Homicide is one of the most coveted jobs there is.... guys spend years working their way to that unit. They do their field time, then go over to violent crimes..... work their way from DV or Juvi Crimes to Robbery, then move up to Homicide. It's a vetting process that takes years of work. It's where our "best of the best" go after years of proving themselves as cops and then as detectives. I can't imagine that it is -that- different at your PD.
So know that it will raise eyebrows when the guys at homicide specifically come to you, with 2 years of patrol experience under your belt, and "inform" you that you really need to put in for homicide. Either you are the greatest, most dynamic, Earth shattering cop to have ever worn a gunbelt (which is entirely possible), or there is another variable.
Let me ask you an honest question...... there are 1700 cops at your PD. Many of these cops have years of experience on you, have already put in years in other investigative positions, have conducted tons on interrogations, worked hundreds of crime scenes as detectives, etc..... what do you, with 2 years of patrol experience, bring to the table that is so exceptional that it justifies the dept waiving the 3 year field requirment and putting you straight into homicide? What makes you so "head and shoulders" better than the other cops that have done their time, have already been assigned to other investigative units, etc.?
I honestly have no doubts that you are an amazing cop, and probably a great person to work with and be around. No doubt at all. I am not questioning your abilities or your character. I am sure that both are top notch.
But since you asked me why it couldn't be that you have simply earned the position.... my answer to that would be part of earning it is having to do your time in the field like everyone else. I think everyone should be treated the same.
Like I said, no doubts that you are an exceptional officer, or they wouldn't have come to you. But I am equally as sure that there are other exceptional officers at your PD who have done their 3 years, have already been detectives, and therefore have "earned" the job more than you at this point in your career. Should you get the position (which you probably will, or they wouldn't have sought you out), these dudes will be pissed.
I really do wish you the best of luck K. Like I said, it is the whole process and system that I have a problem with, not with you.
Don't hate the player, hate the game, right?:D
Take care, and good luck.
I never said that it was a man's world. My post has nothing to do with sex, and everything to do with experience and equal treatment for everyone. I wish Blue the absolute best (and did so in my post), and complimented her abilities as an officer. I was sincere in doing so, and am not jealous in the slightest.
Please don't twist my word's into some sexist diatribe..... they weren't. If you want to ban me, that is your prerogative, but don't make it into something that it isn't.
I read well and think equally as well. Re-read what you wrote "dude". (I highlighted it for you.)
Should you get the position (which you probably will, or they wouldn't have sought you out),these dudes will be pissed.
Should you require an EEO, HR or perhaps a counseling session with a psychologist let me know. If you desire I will break down your post sentence by sentence but I think the one I high lighted will suffice. (Unless of course your entire PD is made up of "dudes".)
I need not twist your words, you did that just fine on your own, nor did I launch into a diatribe, it would again seem you also did just that, not me.
I was not the only one to call you on the carpet over what you wrote, others caught the same sexist overtures from your post I am simply pointing them out.
Argue all you like, from what I've read I doubt you can distinguish the nuances in your posts.
I don't believe you really mean what you say, that you believe all should be treated equally.
This thread is closed for now.
Team Sergeant