View Full Version : 52 seconds on why Obama cannot be allowed to win a general election
Surgicalcric
04-12-2008, 09:32
If this wont disgust you I dont know what will...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs
enterfirst
04-12-2008, 09:57
I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material...
I will negotiate with russia to take our ICBM's off hair trigger alert...
This is why our media sucks. Why aren't there any questions in response like, "How exactly are you going to do this?"
"Do you expect the rest of the world, including terrorists who see blowing all of us to kingdom come a holy thing, to just follow suit?"
"Who in Russia are you going to negotiate with?"
"With what are you planning to negotiate?"
"What will this negotation look like? Hey Putin, I promise I won't shoot you if you don't shoot me. Don't worry, I trust you. And believe me when I say, that as the leader of this whole Hope Hype, you can trust me!;)"
I am now completely speechless that people actually believe this man when he says these things.
x-factor
04-12-2008, 10:09
I don't know what exactly he means by hair-trigger alert. The only one who can authorize nuke release is the President. This is making an issue out of nothing because it sounds good to certain donors.
I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt on the FCS and QDR comments. There's a lot of lessons from the first 6 years of the GWOT that need to be digested before we spend a ton of money to reset the Army with a new generation of equipment. Still, the tone of the add sounds a lot less like the reasonable "we're going to be smarter on defense spending" and a lot more like "we're going to get control of these weapons-obsessed fools over at the Pentagon."
I'm trying to give him the benefit of the doubt on the FCS and QDR comments.
X,
May I inquire as to why? :munchin
Holly
x-factor
04-12-2008, 11:11
Because I don't want to be too cynical about politics. I think Obama is a good guy trying to do good. That doesn't mean I agree with him, but I don't feel a need to jump to the worst conclusion possible.
And like I said, there's a legit case to be made for slowing down on FCS and re-examining some of the development assumptions.
Surgicalcric
04-12-2008, 11:33
...I think Obama is a good guy trying to do good...
And what do pray do you base this on?
I have seen nothing of the guy that is good or not self serving. He is a racist at heart and personally I feel he wants to divide this country even more, not bring it together.
He wants the withdrawal of our troops from Iraq before the job is finished, leave Iran to do what they will, and wants to end our nuclear defense programs. Good guy trying to do good things my ass.
Crip
Because I don't want to be too cynical about politics. I think Obama is a good guy trying to do good. That doesn't mean I agree with him, but I don't feel a need to jump to the worst conclusion possible.
And like I said, there's a legit case to be made for slowing down on FCS and re-examining some of the development assumptions.
May I respectfully submit that B. Hussein Obama is not a good guy, would do nothing for Our defense, or Our armed forces, and would in fact attempt to cripple all progress made thanks to the bravery, service, sacrifice and shed blood of Our Military.
And X, I hope you are having a great day today, b/c if this tool is elected IMHO, those good days as a free American could be numbered.
Holly:munchin
x-factor
04-12-2008, 11:42
Cric - I'm not saying he's not heinously and dangerously wrong on Iraq and defense issues...but being wrong is not the same as being ill-intentioned.
X, To add: Ill-Intentioned? Have you been following the news? Go ahead and jump to the worst conclusion, it is glaringly obvious!
JMHO, but Obama's 52 second speech says it all about his intentions, his character, and where he wants to lead this Country. This thread also says it all about those who willingly choose to ignore the obvious, and maybe it is because some find him to be an attractive man? (Am just a woman after all.):rolleyes:
Holly
Either he is incredibly naive or just plain stupid. Nuclear technology (weapons) aren't ever going to go away. The genie is out of the bottle.
From the sound of it, he's making a strong pitch to the super lefty wing of the democratic party.
I don't think anyone is a fan of wasteful spending, specifically big budget programs that turn into money sucking behemoths. But a 'review' process already exists if costs are justified, the Senator himself doesn't realize it (guess he hasn't been there enough running for President an all) - it's called Congress!
Make as many committees you want or 'review panels'. At the end of the day, it'll be the check and balance between President and Congress that will determine what gets spent. Wasteful spending? How about welfare hand outs?
The esteemed Senator may not realize that spending from this war has trickled down into small communities, factories, businesses, etc, keeping manufacturing afloat in many cases where it wouldn't because the only customer is DOD. If you're gonna do "welfare", at least make people work for something in return (in this case the defense of the country).
3SoldierDad
04-12-2008, 12:48
Considering what this guy says, how he votes in the Senate, how he got his house in Chicago, what his wife says, where he spent 20 years worth of Sundays (100% of the congregants swaying to the gyrations of Rev. Wright - "Damn America! --- Amen Brother, pass the offering down!"), considering who his spiritual advisor was for those years, what he thinks about Joe and Mary Small Town America as they are "clinging" desperately to their faith and guns...blah, blah, blah, blah.
I'm amazed that anyone in America can still be discussing this man's "wrong policies" but otherwise "good nature." Virtues? I'm sorry, I can't see them and I don't think I'm cynical, either. I see a slick empty suit - a charismatic speaker, yes - What I really see is a vacuous sock-puppet politician.
Wow, can this guy snooker people or what? I'm amazed at the friggin spell this man can cast. It's scary - It absolutely, positively scary.
Are we losing it folks? Have we lost our minds? Have we? Barak Obama is a two-bit opportunist...It's America that worries me. We're getting duped.
I hope we wake-up.
Three Soldier Dad...Chuck
Today Obama was nice enough to point out the reason I own Guns is because I am a bitter person. I always wonder why I own, Knives, Great Danes, want to be a Cop and drive Trucks.
Please Obama, tell me more about my misguided existence on this earth you liberal socialist left wing elitist Pus$%#y.
Because I don't want to be too cynical about politics. I think Obama is a good guy trying to do good. That doesn't mean I agree with him, but I don't feel a need to jump to the worst conclusion possible.
And like I said, there's a legit case to be made for slowing down on FCS and re-examining some of the development assumptions.
My time is very limited these days. So I come here to see what my buds are saying. If I wanted to hear your left wing liberal crap on my limited INTERNET time I would surf a different Forum. We all know what he is. Your positive opinion of him is a wast of space around here.
Goggles Pizano
04-12-2008, 15:58
Hypocrite, liberal, smug, self righteous, condescending asshat-any of these will do. When a man running for the most important position in the world makes a statement such as this "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
...well Mr. Barak Hussein Obama, what do you turn to in time of need? Your church and it's racist rantings???? You and your wife's higher paying than 90 percent of America's citizens job? The comfort of knowing your two daughters will not be burdened by children? No, I believe you and your wife are the most obvious oportunists I have seen in politics since...well the Klintoons! The sheeple must be set straight lest this country be bound to failure, and I fear irreparable harm.
Change indeed sir!
Ambush Master
04-12-2008, 16:07
As pointed out by our own resident ABM, his first name was really Barry!!!
Try Googling Barry Obama, you'll be surprised!!!
And the TRUE name for his ilk, are DICKWEEDS!!!:D
Later
Martin
Radar Rider
04-12-2008, 16:15
Uuummmm. Our nuclear weapons have been off "hair trigger alert" since 1991 (under President Bush 41). Barry is about 17 years late on that one.
x-factor
04-12-2008, 16:24
My time is very limited these days. So I come here to see what my buds are saying. If I wanted to hear your left wing liberal crap on my limited INTERNET time I would surf a different Forum. We all know what he is. Your positive opinion of him is a wast of space around here.
My only point here is you don't have to demonize a guy to vehemently oppose him and the sooner both sides of the political spectrum learns this the better for the Republic as a whole. A guy can be a patronizing, naive, jerk without being a traitor.
But, suit yourself. I knew there was a reason I stayed out of the domestic politics threads.
As pointed out by our own resident ABM, his first name was really Barry!!!
Try Googling Barry Obama, you'll be surprised!!!
And the TRUE name for his ilk, are DICKWEEDS!!!:D
Later
Martin
AM,
Agreed!:lifter
Am only wondering where the other parties in this thread went?:munchin
Holly
Red Flag 1
04-12-2008, 16:40
X
Carter did what Obama is saying, he just did a better job of shielding his plans. We are still payng for Jimmy! Clinton did not trust Carter...seems he dosen't think much of Obama either. The only two times I could agree with Clinton.
RF 1
I knew there was a reason I stayed out of the domestic politics threads.
If I may respectfully ask, because you knew that your position/candidate was weak? Or that you are attempting to stir-the-pot?
Am I close?
O. Hussein is a flea market salesman...and why? His beliefs, morals, and standards are in opposition to real American Values, yet he tries to sell them like a home-shopping network fool.
Oh and X, please google the United States Flag Code. Like me, you may learn something.
Holly
x-factor
04-12-2008, 17:09
Did you hear me say he was my candidate? I'm not voting for the guy. I said I believe he's generally well-intentioned (as much as any politician anyway). However, on the issues, I think he's completely out of his depth on foreign policy and fundamentally wrong on Iraq and thats a deal-breaker for me.
For the record, I'm a conservative Florida democrat and quite happy to vote for McCain. (I'd have been even happier to vote for him in 2000, but thats neither here nor there.)
Someone posted a video clip. I watched it. I responded to it with my opinion as people generally do on discussion forums. Thats all.
Did you hear me say he was my candidate? I'm not voting for the guy. I said I believe he's generally well-intentioned (as much as any politician anyway). However, on the issues, I think he's completely out of his depth on foreign policy and fundamentally wrong on Iraq and thats a deal-breaker for me.
For the record, I'm a conservative Florida democrat and quite happy to vote for McCain. (I'd have been even happier to vote for him in 2000, but thats neither here nor there.)
Someone posted a video clip. I watched it. I responded to it with my opinion as people generally do on discussion forums. Thats all.
Then WHY did you post what you did in support of Obama? May I ask?
Edit to add: It's 'cause he's good looking...right?
Holly
X
We are still payng for Jimmy!
RF 1
Maybe he'll make it up to America when he talks to Hamas. :rolleyes:
What an clown.
Radar Rider
04-12-2008, 17:25
I believe he's generally well-intentioned.
I'M well intentioned. I want every American to have a million dollars, three brand new cars, HD TVs for every room in the mansion, and steak for dinner every day.
Whatever my "well intentions", it ain't gonna happen. To promise that on the campaign trail is NOT well intentioned, and is in fact a mean thing to do to the voters that fell for his crap.
x-factor
04-12-2008, 17:39
RR - Thats just it. I think he believes his own "power of hope" hype. I think he believes a nuclear free world is possible and all that. I don't think this makes him a bad guy. I do think it means he's not realistic enough to be President.
Holly - Go back and read my post again and tell me what exactly was in support of Obama's campaign. I said I was "trying to give him the benefit of the doubt" but his tone didn't make that easy.
GratefulCitizen
04-12-2008, 17:52
RR - Thats just it. I think he believes his own "power of hope" hype. I think he believes a nuclear free world is possible and all that. I don't think this makes him a bad guy. I do think it means he's not realistic enough to be President.
The guy has read too many of his own press clippings.
At some point in time (hopefully before November), his image will start to unravel.
When the tumble starts, he will attack critics and go into full-blown victim mode.
We may even be fortunate enough to see a tirade similar to the type bill klinton has thrown.
:munchin
Holly -I said I was "trying to give him the benefit of the doubt" but his tone didn't make that easy.
X,
Nothing in life is easy. Why take the easy way out?
And yes, I can comprehend Your argument...He is good-looking after all, right...but in the end, shouldn't it be more than that?:rolleyes:
Holly
Peregrino
04-12-2008, 18:04
Keep the discussion civil! All of us are idealists (or we wouldn't have made/supported the sacrifices we've all had to endure), some of us are just a bit more idealistic than others. That's not an excuse for typical internet behavior.
(X-factor - FWIW I think you're being overly generous too. There's more than enough smoke for me to assume (that means "take steps to protect my interests") that there's also a fire. P)
Keep the discussion civil! All of us are idealists (or we wouldn't have made/supported the sacrifices we've all had to endure), some of us are just a bit more idealistic than others. That's not an excuse for typical internet behavior.
Peregrino,
My apologies if I have posted in a non-civil way. Was not my intent Sir.
Back to the 52 second topic...
Holly
Remington Raidr
04-13-2008, 03:25
The comfort of knowing your two daughters will not be burdened by children?
I believe he used the word "punished". I think we can all extrapolate his position on killing for convenience. Whatever else he is, he is just like Hillary, he is focused on his 25m target, POTUS. He will blame anyone else, throw anyone under the bus, say anything to any group, and promise everything to everyone, albeit with as little detail as possible, to achieve his goal. He is pretty good at this. He won't be the first and he won't be the last.
But, JUST like the dog who chases the car, the big question is what will he do when he catches it?:confused:
incommin
04-13-2008, 06:35
I said I believe he's generally well-intentioned (as much as any politician anyway).
So was Hitler.......
Jim
Remington Raidr
04-13-2008, 13:38
double-tap
Remington Raidr
04-13-2008, 13:39
So was Hitler.......
Jim
That's GOTTA hurt!!:eek:
I have to admit that before the POTUS primary season began I read Obama's book, and like many others was pretty enthralled by what he had to say.
Then the primary season began, and I began to understand my utter and complete stupidity when it came to this man. I honestly don't believe he is a bad man, just a complete and utter moron. I do believe that he could be one of the worst things to happen to this country.
Writing an engaging book is one thing. Becoming the leader of the free world is something else entirely. I used to believe he was just unseasoned and needed a little more time in the Senate before he ran for POTUS. Now I see him as he truly is, and am banging my head against the wall that I could have ever fallen under his "spell".
I am an educated woman, and luckily I am addicted to politics and have followed both the Republican and Democrats, or I would have thrown my hat in with Obama long ago. It scares me to think that there are so many out there that willing to vote for this man on first glance, and are not willing to do the detailed research necessary to truly become educated on the viewpoints of all running for POTUS.
Given some of the things that have come out about Obama in the past couple of months I have to wonder if it will be easier for McCain to beat him or Hitlery??? I have recently begun to believe Bill is undermining her campaign because he hates her so much.
I have to admit that before the POTUS primary season began I read Obama's book, and like many others was pretty enthralled by what he had to say.
Then the primary season began, and I began to understand my utter and complete stupidity when it came to this man. I honestly don't believe he is a bad man, just a complete and utter moron. I do believe that he could be one of the worst things to happen to this country.
I think it is interesting to hear you say this because I know a couple other people who essentially did the same thing - read the book, fell for it - then saw the light of day after the curtains were pulled back. I also know more than a few people who haven't pulled back the curtains.
I also think you must add the word "arrogant" into any description of Obama.
[I have met with Herr Hitler, and have in my hand a piece of paper ...] "My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour.
I believe it is peace for our time...
Go home and get a nice quiet sleep." 1938
It seems the only Englishman still hanging a pair was Winston Churchill:
"We have suffered a total and unmitigated defeat...you will find that in a period of time which may be measured by years, but may be measured by months, Czechoslovakia will be engulfed in the Nazi régime. We are in the presence of a disaster of the first magnitude...we have sustained a defeat without a war, the consequences of which will travel far with us along our road...we have passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of Europe has been deranged, and that the terrible words have for the time being been pronounced against the Western democracies: "Thou art weighed in the balance and found wanting". And do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time".
And that is the future with either Barack or Hillary:
... we have sustained a defeat without a war, the consequences of which will travel far with us along our road...
The Reaper
04-16-2008, 14:56
I was just thinking of the same situation and quote, but with Jimmy Carter trying to bring back a one-sided peace treaty with the Palastinians.
TR
Ben Shapiro has a couple of articles on the evil Jimmy Carter and Obama's coddling of evil. Its too easy to think of these guys as incompetent, naive, or stupid. In fact they may well be cut from the same cloth of a Che Guevara, only dressed up like professional politicians. Carter was a complete failure and he knows it all too well. Hope ya'll don't mind the input...
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/BenShapiro/2008/04/09/obama_coddles_evil
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/BenShapiro/2008/04/16/jimmy_carter_emissary_of_evil
Radar Rider
04-16-2008, 16:03
I was just thinking of the same situation and quote, but with Jimmy Carter trying to bring back a one-sided peace treaty with the Palastinians.
TR
I was 12 years old in 1977, when 'Jimmy' orchestrated that stupid photo op with the "triple handshake" of Jimmy, Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat.
Anwar Sadat was assassinated because he believed in peaceful cohabitation. His murderers are monsters.
I also think you must add the word "arrogant" into any description of Obama.
Shar,
Am in agreement, and am very glad others see this trait.
Obama's statements, not only in the "52 seconds", but in general, speak to a mind that is wrought with polarized antics.
Obama seems to swing from group to group, clearly unable to understand the good from the bad opinions with which he supports.
Just my .02,:munchin
Holly
Ret10Echo
05-15-2008, 08:42
O'bama needs to be charged with launching a false accusation....
Seems this struck too close to home :boohoo
Obama says Bush falsely accuses him of appeasement By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
18 minutes ago
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama accused President Bush on Thursday of launching a "false political attack" with a comment about appeasing dictators.
The Illinois senator interpreted the remark as a slam against him but the White House denied that Bush's words were in any way directed at Obama, who has said as president he would be willing to personally meet with Iran's leaders and those of other regimes the United States has deemed rogue.
In a speech to Israel's Knesset, Bush said: "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along.
"We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if I could only have talked to Hitler, all this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is — the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."
Obama responded with a statement, seizing on Bush's remarks even as it was unclear to whom the president was referring.
"It is sad that President Bush would use a speech to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's independence to launch a false political attack," Obama said in the statement his aides distributed. "George Bush knows that I have never supported engagement with terrorists, and the president's extraordinary politicization of foreign policy and the politics of fear do nothing to secure the American people or our stalwart ally Israel."
The White House said Bush's comment wasn't a reference to Obama.
"It is not," press secretary Dana Perino told reporters in Israel. "I would think that all of you who cover these issues and have for a long time have known that there are many who have suggested these types of negotiations with people that the president, President Bush, thinks that we should not talk to. I understand when you're running for office you sometimes think the world revolves around you. That is not always true. And it is not true in this case."
The debate over whether the president should directly negotiate with rogue leaders has been one of the most prominent issue differences in the race for the Democratic nomination. Obama says he would meet with heads of state in places like Cuba, Iran and North Korea. Rival Hillary Rodham Clinton says those meetings could be used for propaganda and her first response will be outreach through other diplomatic channels.
As Obama inches closer to clinching the Democratic nomination, he's spent far more time assailing Republicans and the GOP's nominee-in-waiting, John McCain, than he has going after Clinton. By assailing Bush, Obama sent a signal that he's strong enough to take on the sitting president and the incumbent party — and counter the notion fueled by Clinton that she would be the stronger Democratic general election candidate.
Bush, for his part, mostly refrained from directly injecting himself into the presidential race through the Republican primary. When McCain clinched the nomination in March, however, the two appeared together in the White House Rose Garden. Since then, he has talked up McCain frequently.
When it comes to the Democratic race, the president typically avoids naming names but he has publicly disagreed with the positions of the Democratic front-runners.
He has, for example, strongly disagreed with Obama's expressed willingness to meet the leaders of U.S. adversaries such as Cuba and Iran. And, McCain has criticized Obama directly and repeatedly for saying that he would meet with Cuba's leader, Raul Castro, without preconditions.
In a speech to Israel's Knesset, Bush said: "Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along.
So I'm guessing Obama completely missed the press on Jimmy Carter's stunt last month? If anything I'd have thought that speech was directed at Obama's apparent mentor, the peanut farmer.
idiot
moron
clown
Obama
...coincidence?