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swpa19
03-02-2008, 08:02
Enclosed are some pics of a portion of a collection I used to have. Its since been on "Permenant Loan" to a R.O.T.C. Unit near me. The display covered the early beginnings of the cased rifle cartridge through a cutaway of the M198 7.62 Duplex Round.

My apologies for the first two pics. The 3rd are just some duplicates Ive had lying around.

Care to offer and I.D.?

Pete
03-02-2008, 08:31
Slide # 1.

.54 Cal Burnside Cartridge

.52 Cal Spencer

And if those two are right I'd guess the third one is a .44 Cal Ballard.

swpa19
03-02-2008, 08:37
PETE:

Like the song says: Two outa three aint bad. Pretty good in fact for not googling.

incommin
03-02-2008, 19:35
Slide # 1.

.54 Cal Burnside Cartridge

.52 Cal Spencer

And if those two are right I'd guess the third one is a .44 Cal Ballard.


You looked in a Dixie Gun Works catalog, didn"t ya,,,,,


Jim

Pete
03-03-2008, 03:40
No

The first seemed simple, it's unusual. I was guessing the cartridges were grouped by type leading to my opinion of the next two. That third cartridge has the unusual wide base/rim and I'm pretty sure there are not that many like it. I've seen it before, just can not remember where.

I'm guessing the second slide is pistol cartridges and the third at least three rifles from around the 1870's/1880's. No scale on that one.

swpa19
03-03-2008, 14:16
Pete

The Third round with the Burnside and Spencer is the .50 cal Maynard, VERY similar to the Ballard. I believe the Ballard didnt get above .36 cal.

The 2d group are all Spencers.

The third group left to right is pistol and pistol, rifle and the 44-60 Peabody "Creedmore" an interesting round.

Pete
03-03-2008, 15:12
http://scard.buffnet.net/pages/signal/signalpages/weapons.html

Drag down to the Ballard. It seems he really didn't make them but sold the rights to a number of manufacturers who produced the .44 for the war.

After the war civilian production took off in the mid 70's. I think by then Win. was starting it's clean sweep of the west.

The Maynard entry, I see, makes note of the wide flange.

swpa19
03-03-2008, 15:24
PETE:

Its really easy to "satellite" off when doing research. But its informative as hell. Like everything having to do with Ammo to weaponry some of it is almost laughable.

Like the .30 Pederson round and Pederson device. The Springfield .30-03. The Paul Mauser-Springfield story. The U.S. Ordnance Dept. bouncing around from the massive 65 cal to the Lee Navy 6mm. Into the 7.62 and 5.56 flachette rounds.

It was a fun hobby. But, then I started specializing in my collection. It got kinda pricey.

Pete
03-03-2008, 16:17
No collection is complete without a Musket Shell.

Got one?:D

swpa19
03-04-2008, 08:26
PETE:

My musket ball collection ran from the .60 cal round ball to the Mine' ball and variants to the Volcanic "self propelled round". Its easier and cheaper to collect the ammo than it is to collect the weapons that fired them.

swpa19
03-05-2008, 12:36
The cartridges shown are in Pic #1. .54 Cal. Burnside, 52-50 Spencer and .50 Cal Maynard. Pic#2 .52-50 Spencer, .56-56 Spencer, 56-50 Spencer. Pic #3 .45 cal Colt .45 Cal Long Colt, 50-70 Rifle, 44-60 Peabody Rifle, and .577 Snider Rifle.