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Bill Harsey
07-24-2007, 18:40
To all of ya'll that wanted your kids to take classes from this guy, my condolences, :rolleyes:
Here's the story: http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3867619&version=8&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
Wasn't he on paid suspension all these years? Now that he is fired he can go on the speaking tour to promote his future books. This guy has been rewarded for his actions.
CPTAUSRET
07-24-2007, 19:02
To all of ya'll that wanted your kids to take classes from this guy, my condolences, :rolleyes:
Here's the story: http://www.myfoxcolorado.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3867619&version=8&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
GOOD RIDDANCE!
From the article: he misrepresented the effects of federal laws on American Indians, that he wrongly claimed evidence indicated Capt. John Smith exposed Indians to smallpox in the 1600s, and claimed the work of a Canadian environmental group as his own.
So he falsified research and committed plagiarism. That should be the kiss of death for an academic. Hopefully, his future career will involve asking whether customers want fries with that.
The Reaper
07-24-2007, 20:04
I heard that the haters over at the ACLU already have his back and are working a suit on his behalf.
TR
GOOD RIDDANCE!
I agree !!!!
But unfortunately, this guy is not going to go away quietly. :rolleyes:
82ndtrooper
07-24-2007, 21:57
I heard that the haters over at the ACLU already have his back and are working a suit on his behalf.
TR
Lord ! I'm shocked, get me another glass of that "Makers Mint Julip" ;)
Goggles Pizano
07-25-2007, 04:29
I wonder if any Native Americans back the hate filled ramblings of this idiot who claims to be one of them? My guess is they refuse to bring shame upon the tribe.
magician
07-25-2007, 05:33
I believe that Russell Means was accompanying Ward Churchill at the hearing.
I wonder if any Native Americans back the hate filled ramblings of this idiot who claims to be one of them? My guess is they refuse to bring shame upon the tribe.
The A.I.M. (American Indian movement) has taken up a position of support with Churchill, of which Russell Means is still very active with. (Don't know if he's still president of AIM, or just what his position is with them, but he still very active with the group).
Here's something from The Rocky Mountain News (this story is getting A LOT of air time and press around here). I love how some of Churchill, and some of his supporters respond to criticism and voice their opinions.
Yep....these are the professors that are teaching the youth of America today. :rolleyes:
Churchill, protesters vow fight is not over
By John Ensslin, Rocky Mountain News
July 24, 2007
BOULDER - Moments after the University of Colorado Regents voted to fire Ward Churchill, one of his supporters at the back of the Glenn Miller Ballroom shouted out, "Now it’s your turn!"
"You’re right," Churchill replied just before joining in with several American Indians from South Dakota as they started drumming and chanting the freedom song from the American Indian Movement.
Several of Churchill’s supporters decried the regents’ statements that they were dismissing him for a pattern of academic misconduct.
"I want to be clear," said Tom Mayer, a CU-Boulder sociology professor. "This is a political firing with academic camoflage.
"I believe the people who voted (to dismiss Churchill) are the same people who would have voted against Socrates, Galileo ... and anyone else wth an unpopular point of view." Riiiiiight......'Ol Professor Tom sure knows his history of Galileo and Socrates. :rolleyes:
Lane said the only surprise of the afternoon was Regent Cindy Carlisle’s lone dissenting vote against the motion to fire Churchill.
"The only surprise to me was that it took as long as it did and we got one vote," Lane told reporters. "I’m always surprised when somebody stands up and does the right thing."
About 100 supporters had sat at the back of the ballroom waiting for the regent’s decision. Some stood for more than two hours holding signs that read "Reinstate Ward Churchill" and "The Student’s Vote: Ward Churchill - Best Professor 2005."
Phil Weinstein, a research assistant in the CU Civil Engineering department, help up a sign that read, "Honor Dissent."
"We’re only asking the questions that are not allowed to be answered in polite American discourse," Weinstein said outside the student center earlier in the afternoon. "The university should be protecting Ward Churchill’s free speech, not purging him."
Churchill walked up to the University Memorial Center around 3:30 p.m., carrying two long poles that were never used during the rally.
Lane joked, "Ward is polling the regents."
While waiting to get into the center, Churchill traded jibes with one man who snapped pictures of him and asked, "I heard you were a fake Indian!"
"I heard you had no brain and you were still looking for it," Churchill shot back. Way to bolster support for yourself there, Ward,
incommin
07-25-2007, 10:51
Don't you all realize the "LEFT" are the educated group and we all should pay homage to the babble they speak.....
Jim
So, it looks like this thing won't end for at least, another year. :rolleyes:
Churchill lawyer sues regents over yesterday's firing at CU
By Rosa Ramirez, Rocky Mountain News
July 25, 2007
The next chapter in Ward Churchill’s saga has officially begun.
His attorney, David Lane, filed suit in Denver District Court this morning as an amendment to a case filed last year.
Churchill was fired by the University of Colorado regents Tuesday on an 8-1 vote.
"If you think I’m the endgame, you’re wrong," Churchill told supporters Tuesday, shortly after his termination.
In the complaint, Lane argues the university used pretext reasons for starting a series of investigations looking into Churchill’s work.
The lawsuit contends the university went after Churchill after he was blasted in the media by commentators and other people for his op-ed article in which he called victims of 9/11 attacks "little Eichmanns," comparing them to Nazi bureaucrat Adolf Eichmann.
The article, which was written shortly after the 2001 attacks, got little attention for nearly three years.
As soon as the op-ed piece came to light, university officials immediately cancelled a speaking engagement Churchill was invited to give at the school’s University Memorial Center and begun to examine "every word ever written or spoken by Professor Churchill in an effort to find some excuse for terminating his employment ... ," the complaint said.
CU officials, however, later ruled that Churchill’s essay was protected political speech under the U.S. Constitution.
Hours before Churchill was fired Tuesday, Lane announced he planned to file a civil lawsuit in a Denver District Court rather than in a federal court because federal courts are "inundated with cases."
Lane said he predicted it would take about a year to get a trial.
He also said a jury pool in a Denver District Court would be more representative of the overall population.
"The minority population of Denver is much more greater than it is in the northern tier or Colorado generally," Lane said yesterday. "But I’m not reading into that anything in particular. That is the demographic fact of life."
The 2006 suit claimed the university failed to pay $20,000 owed for Churchill’s attorney fees, Lane said.
Lane said the suite was filed in Denver because the university’s headquarters are in that jurisdiction.
Here are the charges, CU's regents filled against Churchill, for his dismissal.
There is nothing stating anything, about his essay he wrote, after the attacks on Sept. 11th, were he called the victims "Little Eichmann's". Comparing them to "Nazi's".
The charges against Churchill
July 24, 2007
Behind the move to dismiss Ward Churchill are questions about the accuracy and integrity of his scholarly works. Findings of a faculty investigative committee released last year:
Historical facts: Churchill manufactured events in which European Americans intentionally spread smallpox to kill Indians. In one such event, the Army is said to have distributed tainted blankets to Mandan Indians. But no evidence backs the claim.
Elsewhere, Churchill claimed the United States adopted a formal racial code to identify Indians, similar to the code used by the Nazis to identify Jews. U.S. law includes no such code, legal scholars say.
Plagiarism: Churchill published an essay on water issues in Canada that closely resembles a pamphlet by a Canadian environmental group. He also borrowed a work on fishing rights originally published by Canadian scholar Fay Cohen.
Falsifying sources: Churchill wrote essays under the names of other people, which he then cited as independent sources in his footnotes.
The investigative panel described the charges as serious.
Here are the charges, CU's regents filled against Churchill, for his dismissal.
There is nothing stating anything, about his essay he wrote, after the attacks on Sept. 11th, were he called the victims "Little Eichmann's". Comparing them to "Nazi's".
I guess it is fortunate that if you are idiotic enough to say something really disgusting like the above you probably lie, cheat, fabricate and plagarize too. I suppose it is akin to stopping someone for speeding and then having probable cause to search their vehicle for pot when you smell something funny. I can't imagine he's got a leg to stand on - but he's still in the limelight and that's got to be what he wants.
Monsoon65
07-25-2007, 20:21
"Protect his free speech" What, to steal someone elses work? To claim to be an Indian when he actually isn't?
Sounds like he's crying the blues because he lost his cushy job.
Goggles Pizano
07-26-2007, 06:41
Russell Means and AIM are supporting him? Gee Ward, I had no idea you were a terrorist as well! Asshat.
Russell Means and AIM are supporting him? Gee Ward, I had no idea you were a terrorist as well! Asshat.
Bubba,
You don't know, just how close to the mark you are.
Here's an interview that Ward did with SAYTA Magazine in April of 2004. (yes, yes, I know...SAYTA magazine :rolleyes: ....but still....HIS words)
http://www.satyamag.com/apr04/churchill.html
Here's a few highlights:
That brings me to one question, which is, in general, people like to think they’re pretty decent. They don’t like to think of themselves as violent or complying with a system that is oppressive...
Heinrich Himmler viewed himself in exactly that way. He was a family man, he had high moral values, he’d met his responsibilities, blah, blah, blah—a good and decent man in his own mind.
Do you think that applies to most American people?
In the sense that it applied to most Germans [during the Third Reich].
One of the things I’ve suggested is that it may be that more 9/11s are necessary. This seems like such a no-brainer that I hate to frame it in terms of actual transformation of consciousness. ‘Hey those brown-skinned folks dying in the millions in order to maintain this way of life, they can wait forever for those who purport to be the opposition here to find some personally comfortable and pure manner of affecting the kind of transformation that brings not just lethal but genocidal processes to a halt.’ They have no obligation—moral, ethical, legal or otherwise—to sit on their thumbs while the opposition here dithers about doing anything to change the system. So it’s removing the sense of—and right to—impunity from the American opposition.
So if it takes eradication of the beast from within, how would you see that happening?
Well, first the withdrawal of consent, people imbued with consciousness to withdraw altogether from an embrace of the state.
If I defined the state as being the problem, just what happens to the state? I’ve never fashioned myself to be a revolutionary, but it’s part and parcel of what I’m talking about. You can create through consciousness a situation of flux, perhaps, in which something better can replace it. In instability there’s potential. That’s about as far as I go with revolutionary consciousness. I’m actually a de-evolutionary. I don’t want other people in charge of the apparatus of the state as the outcome of a socially transformative process that replicates oppression.-------> I want the state gone: transform the situation to U.S. out of North America. U.S. off the planet. Out of existence altogether.
So what does that look like?
There’s no U.S. in America anymore. What’s on the map instead? Well let’s just start with territoralities often delineated in treaties of fact—territoralities of 500 indigenous nations imbued with an inalienable right to self-determination, definable territoralities which are jurisdictionally separate. Then you’ve got things like the internal diasporic population of African Americans in internal colonies that have been established by the imposition of labor patterns upon them. You’ve got Appalachian whites. Since the U.S. unilaterally violated its treaty obligations, it forfeits its rights—or presumption of rights—under international law. Basically, you’ve got a dismantlement and devolution of the U.S. territorial and jurisdictional corpus into something that would be more akin to diasporic self-governing entities and a multiplicity of geographical locations. A-ha, chew on that one for awhile.
There’s no overarching authority other than consensus or agreement between each of these. There has to be a collaborative and cooperative arrangement rather than something that’s centrally organized and arbitrarily imposed.
I'm all for the 1st amendment and freedom of speech, but that last part, sounds a little "terrorist" to me, IMO.
Kinda goes with his fashion statement below.
What do ya think?
A: Ward bin Ladin
B: Usama bin Churchill
When I should care about either Ward Churchill or Michael Moore, please wake me up. Oxygen theives. No free rent in my head. Not sure why some here even bother to copy and paste updates. Who the fook cares.
Goggles Pizano
07-27-2007, 07:09
I care. I swore an oath to protect this country from all enemies both foreign and domestic. If Churchill and his ilk are proposing the dissolution of the United States government by separating people into "race tribes" then I want to know about it. And yes Virginia, that makes him a terrorist not just a fooking nut job.
incommin
07-27-2007, 11:54
[QUOTE=Sdiver]Bubba,
You don't know, just how close to the mark you are.
Here's an interview that Ward did with SAYTA Magazine in April of 2004. (yes, yes, I know...SAYTA magazine :rolleyes: ....but still....HIS words)
If that aint a picture of a wannnnnna-beeee I don't know what is!
Jim
I'm pretty sure that this guy is done. He commited the ultimate sin, he PLAGURIZED!!!
That pretty much spells certain death for academics. These are just the death throes of a writhing corpse. You can be pretty despicable and still be accepted in academic cirlces until you get caught being a plagerist. Serves the bastard right. I hope there is a seat saved for him next to the likes of Bin Laden, Pelosi, Rosi and Eric Prince.
I can't believe he lasted as long as he did, but then he worked in the Republic of Boulder, CO.
Not sure why some here even bother to copy and paste updates. Who the fook cares.
Sorry JMI, I care.
I'm NOT of the mind set of, "Ignoring the problem and hope it goes away." People like him need to be exposed for the frauds they are, and their antics need to be brought out to the forefront, and STAY THERE.
What if we just ignored and didn't discuss MM's Bowling for Columbine movie. We all just said, "He's a waste of space and an O2 thief" and just left it at that, and nobody really looked at his "facts", and didn't find that most of them were B.S.? Then people would just believe in what they saw, or didn't see, in his movie(s).
With Churchill, a guy who stated that he would like to see the U.S. "Off the face of the Planet", but then is using this same countries court system, to "plead his case", needs to be exposed for the fake/fraud he is.
BTW....just heard this on the radio earlier this evening as I was coming home from work. One of the local radio stations had an interview with Churchill's lawyer, and he said, that even though Ward has been released from CU, he still will receive a paycheck for this year. His salary.....$96,000.
That's 96K for doing NOTHING.
Bet you didn't know that. ;)
I think we have to care about such people.
They use their position to add credibility to their message - and that message is, quite intentionally, poison to our existing society and way of life. It can be tempting to say that a lie cannot harm us, cannot overwhelm the truth; but, repeated often enough, with great enough force and assurance, the lie can have its effect.
To fight the lie, one must discredit the liar. Hopefully, that fate will come to pass.