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BMT (RIP)
04-13-2007, 16:45
What do you think will happen when they catch this person and they are an ILLEGAL ALIEN??
:munchin
BMT
The Reaper
04-13-2007, 19:23
NOTHING!
It's New Jersey! Everybody gets sued, no one gets punished. Unless you hit Tony Soprano.
TR
Matta mile
04-13-2007, 19:36
I can't wait to hear what X SF med has to say about the matter when he weighs in!
rubberneck
04-13-2007, 21:07
This whole thing is a total crock of you know what. People are seriously injured on NJ state roads every damn day, yet they have the State Police turning over every rock looking for the driver of that red truck as if the driver was Osama Bin Laden. Two years ago a young mother was killed on the GSP in a hit and run accident. It's too bad the NJSP didn't expend 1/10 the same resources to find the guy who killed her.
Kyobanim
04-13-2007, 21:14
I want to know why the Gov and his driver were not cited for failure to wear a seatbelt. Stupid is, stupid does.
The Reaper
04-13-2007, 21:16
Corzine might have been uninjured like the other occupants of his vehicle, had he been wearing a seatbelt like his driver and aide.
Knowing Corzine, the likely origin of the hit and run driver, and that no one else was hurt, I think the whole thing is funny as hell.
Hey, how can an LEO and PSD guy allow his charge to ride around in an unsafe manner and in flagrant violation of the law he swore to uphold and not be compromised?
Could be worse, could have been McGreevy!:munchin
TR
The Reaper
04-14-2007, 13:03
NOTHING!
It's New Jersey! Everybody gets sued, no one gets punished. Unless you hit Tony Soprano.
TR
As predicted.
TR
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266082,00.html
Surgery on Corzine Deemed Successful; Driver Who Hit Him Had 'Special Needs'
Saturday , April 14, 2007
CAMDEN, New Jersey —
Surgery on Gov. Jon S. Corzine's injured leg was successful Saturday, while a state official said the driver blamed for the wreck that critically injured the governor had been found but would not be charged.
Corzine's recovery was progressing better than doctors expected, said Dr. Steven Ross, head of trauma at Cooper University Hospital. Doctors cleaned a 15-centimeter wound during surgery on his left thigh.
The governor is not able to speak and not aware of his surroundings because of his heavy sedation. He is expected to remain on a ventilator until at least Monday, doctors said.
"He awakens, answers to simple 'yes or no' questions about pain," Ross said. "He won't remember much of what is going on at this point."
Corzine was hurt Thursday when the SUV he was riding in was clipped by a vehicle that swerved to avoid a red pickup truck that officials said was being driven erratically. Corzine's vehicle slammed into a guard rail along the Garden State Parkway in Galloway Township, near Atlantic City.
A state official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity said Saturday the driver of a truck involved in the wreck that injured Corzine had been found, questioned, and would not be charged.
The official, who wouldn't be named because the official is not authorized to speak on the matter, said the driver, 20, who worked at an Atlantic City casino, didn't realize he had caused the crash and thought he actually avoided an accident.
He was described as a "special needs driver" who may have a mental impairment, the official said.
The driver was not identified because he was not charged, state police said.
Corzine — who was riding in a sport utility vehicle driven by a state trooper and headed to a meeting between radio show host Don Imus and the Rutgers women's basketball team — apparently was not wearing his seat belt, as required by law.
The governor's femur bone was broken in two places, and it protruded through his skin. He also suffered a broken sternum, 12 broken ribs, a head laceration and a minor fracture on a lower vertebra, according to doctors at Cooper University Hospital in Camden, where he was flown by helicopter after the crash. Corzine, 60, did not suffer any brain damage.
His injuries were not considered life-threatening, but doctors say the governor faces lengthy rehabilitation. And it will likely be at least three to six months before he can walk normally.
A similar surgery to clean out Corzine's femur was planned again Monday, Dr. Robert F. Ostrum said.
Tom Shea, the governor's chief of staff, said he was hopeful Corzine could resume his duties in "a week or so," depending on doctor recommendations. Shea said it was possible Corzine would govern from his hospital bed.
Corzine was moved to the trauma intensive care unit after surgery Thursday night and remained in critical but stable condition Saturday.
Senate President Richard Codey officially became acting governor Thursday evening after getting a fax from Corzine's office saying the governor had been injured.
Surgicalcric
04-14-2007, 13:24
...The official, who wouldn't be named because the official is not authorized to speak on the matter, said the driver, 20, who worked at an Atlantic City casino, didn't realize he had caused the crash and thought he actually avoided an accident.
He was described as a "special needs driver" who may have a mental impairment, the official said...
Why the hell does he have a driver's license if he is mentally impaired?
Crip
hunteran
04-14-2007, 13:52
Why the hell does he have a driver's license if he is mentally impaired?
Crip
I don't know, but licensing people who can't drive properly isn't limited to NJ. My mom is a teacher and one of her students has severe epilepsy and she has her license.
Surgicalcric
04-14-2007, 14:04
I...one of her students has severe epilepsy and she has her license.
"Here's your sign!!!"
The Reaper
04-14-2007, 14:23
Why the hell does he have a driver's license if he is mentally impaired?
Crip
Same reason that a four-time DUI convict does - society sees driving as a right, and firearms ownership as a privilege.
Which kills more people every year?
TR
Why the hell does he have a driver's license if he is mentally impaired?
Crip
In New Jersey...everyone is mentally impaired, its just a matter of degree. ;)
Same reason that a four-time DUI convict does - society sees driving as a right, and firearms ownership as a privilege.
Which kills more people every year?
TR
Not in alaska :) DUI's are a very serious offence.. not to mention that you ain't going thru canada with one.
The Reaper
04-14-2007, 19:27
Not in alaska :) DUI's are a very serious offence.. not to mention that you ain't going thru canada with one.
Doesn't matter. You don't need a license to operate a motor vehicle. Most of the illegals and drunks are doing it without a valid license or insurance.
TR
You are right as usual with regards to that... but the amount of illegals in alaska isn't quite as bad as the lower 48...
Who's going to run across the tundra, the canadians?
Quite a row from Cuba.
If someone wants to row/swim/walk from russia, they're a hard hard individual and I wouldn't mind having them here probably.
The legal drivers that do get DUI's, are severely hammered..
1st strike 3 days jail time 1500 fine, drugs to prevent alcohol consumption and 90 day minimum license revocation, ignition interlock required for parole, manditory alky clinic time, misdemeanor level infraction, paying for the cop and any emergency services required from the incident
2nd strike 20 days jail 3000 fine, drugs, same as above, minimum year licence revocation
3rd strike (within 10 years) 10,000 dollar fine, forfeited vehicle from incident, 120 days jail, Felony level conviction (and all that ties into that) permanent revocation of license for life, any co-owned vehicles have registration revoked and re-issued with drunk removed from paperwork (costs the co-owner money), 18 months Alcohol clinic time, restitution of anyone else involved in an incident, pay for the cop/ems/whatever, involved vehicle seizure and sale at auction (proceeds go to state and do not count against any fines etc)
If it's your first offense and you have .16 or higher, you WILL have an interlock for 6 months and it won't count towards parole
.24 BAC and you get the interlock for a year
Oh yeah, you pay for your jail time as well to the state, and if you refuse to test you have exactly the same punishment level.
Not to mention canada will not let you drive thru their country if you have a DUI, so there goes any chance of driving to the lower 48 via the alcan.
.04-.08 will count towards, with other evidence presented in court, towards a DWI conviction as well.
Under .04 you're "good"
That's a condensed snippet of what happens if you drink and operate any vehicle in alaska.. boats bikes trucks cars planes ultralights parachutes you name it if it moves and it aint feet it counts... LOL
I don't know, but licensing people who can't drive properly isn't limited to NJ. My mom is a teacher and one of her students has severe epilepsy and she has her license.
It varies by state, but most will issue a license if you have been seizure-free for over one year per doctor's statement. To keep the license active, you must bring in a doctor's statement each year to verify that you are still seizure-free. If you don't, the license is suspended.
x SF med
04-16-2007, 09:47
No comment, except - NJ drivers suck, glad I'm escaping at the end of the month.
Goggles Pizano
04-16-2007, 14:00
This is probably the conversation seconds before Corzine's vehicle left AC:
Trooper-"Sir you should put on your belt."
Guv-"You just drive the vehicle trooper and let me worry about the rest!"
Trooper-":rolleyes: You're the boss Sir."
Bang.
I have no empathy for John Corzine.
x SF med
04-16-2007, 14:48
Driving in NJ is an amzing thing - large land-barges / SUVs floating down the road at 80 mph in a marked 55, straddling lanes, leaning on horns, tailgating, cutting in and out of traffic, no lights at BMNT or EENT or even during periods of darkness, missing taillights are common, turn indicators seem to be optional equipment, but cellphones stuck in the ear are standard equipment... seatbelts, bah, not until you get stopped (any other 80's guys remember the edict that came down while we were in - no belt - was an Article 15, loss of ALL medical benefits if in an accident, and a Dishonorable Discharge - Devens was entirely nazi about this policy).
Oh, yes, NJ, a dream driving state - NOT!!!
Goggles Pizano
04-16-2007, 18:07
You forgot to mention two of the most notorious Jersey driving/hell experiences: traffic circles and no left turns.
x SF med
04-17-2007, 07:24
Ah yes, the to go left, turn right, curve around then turn left. I got used to roundabouts while in MA.
I like roundabouts. I think they are more efficient than 4-way stop intersections. People need to be educated about the proper way to use them so they don't freak out when they approach one (admittedly not a small task).
Not only was he not wearing a seatbelt, but now it turns out his Trooper driven SUV was doing 91mph in the left lane with his emergency lights on. The emergency of course was a photo op with Imus and the Rutgers team. :rolleyes:
The Reaper
04-17-2007, 19:37
Not only was he not wearing a seatbelt, but now it turns out his Trooper driven SUV was doing 91mph in the left lane with his emergency lights on. The emergency of course was a photo op with Imus and the Rutgers team. :rolleyes:
There is, on occasion, some justice.:D
TR
x SF med
04-17-2007, 19:43
Not only was he not wearing a seatbelt, but now it turns out his Trooper driven SUV was doing 91mph in the left lane with his emergency lights on. The emergency of course was a photo op with Imus and the Rutgers team. :rolleyes:
You don't understand, all normal driving rules are suspended in NJ - that is not aberrant driving behavior in this state - slow to the left, cell phone drivers in the middle, and in a race with the devil on the right. Don't use your signal to change lanes, or you will get hit - people speed up because the great god "car length" would be compromised, this is why ther are so many hit from behind accidents in NJ, you must tailgate to appease the god car length, it is a sin to leave a safe distance between vehicles.
You don't understand, all normal driving rules are suspended in NJ - that is not aberrant driving behavior in this state - slow to the left, cell phone drivers in the middle, and in a race with the devil on the right. Don't use your signal to change lanes, or you will get hit - people speed up because the great god "car length" would be compromised, this is why ther are so many hit from behind accidents in NJ, you must tailgate to appease the god car length, it is a sin to leave a safe distance between vehicles.
Oh I understand, I travel through New Jersey more than I care too. I also know just how tolerant NJ State Troopers are about speeding. The only state where Ive ever had an undercover trooper try to goad me into speeding by repeatedly pulling in front of me and then slowing down. Allmost fell for it too, until I noticed it said NJST at the bottom of his plate instead of the Garden State.
I also recall the nasty campaign for governor, throughout the campaign I kept thinking these are the only two choices for governor? New Jersey is so screwed.
There is, on occasion, some justice.:D
TR
Keeps getting better, the truck initially blamed for the accident for driving "erratically" was actually trying to get out of the way when the driver saw the flashing lights. So the governors motorcade actually caused the accident, you will probably like this cover from the NY Post with Corzines head photoshopped onto a crash test dummy. http://www.nypost.com/seven/04182007/news/regionalnews/91_mph_regionalnews_bill_sanderson.htm
The Reaper
04-18-2007, 07:34
Hillarious!
Wanna bet that the trooper had been ordered to drive that fast to get to the photo op by the same guy who decided to not wear his seat belt, also in violation of the law? I bet he is a real peach to work for.
My understanding was that speeding was allowed by LEOs only when in pursuit or in response to an emergency, not to get somewhere in time to get your picture taken.
Will anyone be cited in this crash?
Well, Corzine should be happy, he is in all of the papers! What a schmuck.:rolleyes:
TR
rubberneck
04-18-2007, 10:03
The more I read about this the more I get pissed off. That part of the GSP is two lanes in each direction and at that time of day would have been filled with people heading home or trying to make it to work for the late shift.
WTF was the Governors car doing 91 mph on a two lane highway during rush hour during the week? That a-hole could have just as easily killed an innocent driver who was on the way home for dinner with the family just so Corzine could make a f-ing meeting between Don Imus and the Rutgers basketball team.
Shame on the Governor for putting the lives of others at risk so he could pimp himself at a major PR event. Sadly the Trooper driving the car will take the fall for the Governor's sins. Like many in the Governors party that came before him he considers himself above the laws of the State of NJ. Bastard.
Please excuse my language. My family and I travel the roads of NJ daily. No one should have the right to be that reckless with the safety of others.
The picture of his head on the dummy rocks.
Maybe I'm thinking outside the box, but if he's the Gov, couldn't he have had access to a helicopter that would have gone about the same speed as his illegally speeding SUV?
x SF med
04-18-2007, 12:38
The more I read about this the more I get pissed off. That part of the GSP is two lanes in each direction and at that time of day would have been filled with people heading home or trying to make it to work for the late shift.
WTF was the Governors car doing 91 mph on a two lane highway during rush hour during the week? That a-hole could have just as easily killed an innocent driver who was on the way home for dinner with the family just so Corzine could make a f-ing meeting between Don Imus and the Rutgers basketball team.
Shame on the Governor for putting the lives of others at risk so he could pimp himself at a major PR event. Sadly the Trooper driving the car will take the fall for the Governor's sins. Like many in the Governors party that came before him he considers himself above the laws of the State of NJ. Bastard.
Please excuse my language. My family and I travel the roads of NJ daily. No one should have the right to be that reckless with the safety of others.
RN - see my posts above - non NJ drivers think I'm joking.... they don't have a clue as to how dangerous NJ roads are, especially from the tailgaters who are on the phone.:mad:
rubberneck
04-18-2007, 13:18
RN - see my posts above - non NJ drivers think I'm joking.... they don't have a clue as to how dangerous NJ roads are, especially from the tailgaters who are on the phone.:mad:
X SF med, I grew up in New York so I probably am immune to the stupidity you see on the roads in NJ and NY. I do a lot of driving for work and see bad driving everywhere I go. That being said, the difference between NY/NJ and the rest of the bad drivers from other states is the sheer aggressiveness that they drive with. For some giggles, grab someone that has never driven in the area and throw them on the Cross Bronx expressway and watch them lose their minds.
Ret10Echo
04-18-2007, 13:28
The picture of his head on the dummy rocks.
Maybe I'm thinking outside the box, but if he's the Gov, couldn't he have had access to a helicopter that would have gone about the same speed as his illegally speeding SUV?
Perhaps Ms Pelosi would allow him to use her plane?
:D
Perhaps Ms Pelosi would allow him to use her plane?
:D
I have a feeling he'll only be using things with wheelchair ramps for the forseeable future.
rubberneck
04-18-2007, 13:58
I have a feeling he'll only be using things with wheelchair ramps for the forseeable future.
Personally, after this whole mess I think he should be forced to wear a hockey helmet and be driven around in a short yellow bus.
x SF med
04-18-2007, 14:15
X SF med, I grew up in New York so I probably am immune to the stupidity you see on the roads in NJ and NY. I do a lot of driving for work and see bad driving everywhere I go. That being said, the difference between NY/NJ and the rest of the bad drivers from other states is the sheer aggressiveness that they drive with. For some giggles, grab someone that has never driven in the area and throw them on the Cross Bronx expressway and watch them lose their minds.
Other really fun roads in the area:
I287 to the Sprain or 684 on a windy rainy day with an accident on the Tap
I95/Hutch interchange
The LIE/ Cross Island Interchange at rush hour in the rain.
Rte 17 / Rte 4 interchange, anytime
GSP/I78 Interchange
GSP/I95 Interchange
Any road near Newark Airport
Grew up in Queens, driven in NY, NJ, MD, DE, DC, CT, RI, VT, NH, ME, MA, TX, GA, NC, SC, LA, TN, AR, AL, MI, FL, SC, PA, OH, MO, KS, OK, NM, UT, IN, IL, VA, WV, WA, OR and various places overseas.
NY, NJ, MA, TX seem to have the worst drivers per capita - NY and NJ take the cake for agressiveness and sheer stupidity.
The Reaper
04-18-2007, 19:17
Personally, after this whole mess I think he should be forced to wear a hockey helmet and be driven around in a short yellow bus.
With a 35 mph speed limiting governor and seatbelt interlocks.
"We aren't going anywhere, till Little Johnnie buckles up."
TR
With a 35 mph speed limiting governor and seatbelt interlocks.
"We aren't going anywhere, till Little Johnnie buckles up."
TR
"I have mail! YAAAAAAA!"
I actually thought about trying to defend the big NJ. I can't.
Team Sergeant
04-19-2007, 09:34
This is probably the conversation seconds before Corzine's vehicle left AC:
Trooper-"Sir you should put on your belt."
Guv-"You just drive the vehicle trooper and let me worry about the rest!"
Trooper-":rolleyes: You're the boss Sir."
Bang.
I have no empathy for John Corzine.
It could have been a lot worse, ted kennedy (or one of his relatives) could have been driving.
I thought I read somewhere the REAL reason the hit and run driver didn't stop was he was on his way to "vote" in the "House of Representatives"..............