SF Band of Brothers

[The Reaper]

Bear with me.

This is one of the display boards from a classroom at lovely Camp Mackall.

TR

[The Reaper]

This is a photo I noticed on the upper left of that board.

That is what a real live SF ODA looks like. As a matter of fact, that is what a damn near perfect ODA looks like.

One of our very own members, if not more, are in this photo.

Can anyone other than the individual(s) involved determine which member(s) it is and where he is/they are in the photo?

Good hunting.

TR

[pulque]

are his pants ripped?

[Pandora]

No idea, but I definately wouldn't want to be on the bad side of ripped pants. Looks like a pissed-off Lion.

[Surgicalcric]

This sure would be easier if they were wearing berets instead of patrol caps...

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Pandora
No idea, but I definately wouldn't want to be on the bad side of ripped pants. Looks like a pissed-off Lion.

You're just lucky that guy is a lefty, instead of a righty, or this pic would not be G Rated.

Crip:

What difference would the headgear make?

TR

[D9 (RIP)]

Originally posted by The Reaper
You're just lucky that guy is a lefty, instead of a righty, or this pic would not be G Rated.


Sir, I think he's referring to the fact that the rank is subdued on patrol caps, making it more difficult to determine who the Det Commander is.

[Surgicalcric]

Originally posted by The Reaper
Crip:

What difference would the headgear make?
TR

Group and rank.

I am formulating a guess but dont want to give my 8 digit away before I have developed and E&E plan. lol

[Gypsy]

First row, far right...could that be our own NDD? He's mentioned being of Scottish heritage before...and that particular person could pass based on skin/hair coloring.

Guessing....obviously. :munchin

[Team Sergeant]

A few of the faces are familiar to me, but I do not know “where’ they were standing when the pic was taken.

My guess would be somewhere down south and during a conflict as they are locked and loaded and sporting frags.

TS

[NousDefionsDoc]

Don't be PMing me, this is Reaper's deal. I'm not involved and wouldn't tell you if I knew.

[pulque]

Originally posted by Pandora
No idea, but I definately wouldn't want to be on the bad side of ripped pants. Looks like a pissed-off Lion.

I wouldnt want to be on the bad side of any of these great men!

They should all be on here.

[Surgicalcric]

LongRange1947-- bottom right?

[Roguish Lawyer]

Are they in the isolation facility?

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Surgicalcric
Group and rank.

I am formulating a guess but dont want to give my 8 digit away before I have developed and E&E plan. lol

The only rank indicated on an SF beret is officers and warrant officers.

All enlisted berets in a Group appear the same, except for varieties of stains and wear.

Who is PMing, trying to cheat? If they are coming to Mackall, I will ready the reception party and the Gig Pit.

TR

[Surgicalcric]

I knew that Sir.

I was having a difficult distinguishing between the enlisted and officer as per D9's post.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Surgicalcric
LongRange1947-- bottom right?

LOL - Longrange didn't have a baby face like that when he was a baby. :munchin

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
LOL - Longrange didn't have a baby face like that when he was a baby. :munchin

I think I have seen the guy on the bottom right before, but I don't know why I think that.

[D9 (RIP)]

Originally posted by The Reaper
Who is PMing, trying to cheat? If they are coming to Mackall, I will ready the reception party and the Gig Pit.

Not trying to cheat, Sir. Made the mistake of going straight from "Some members of this board are in this picture," to looking at the picture. :o

[Roguish Lawyer]

Does the ODA contain the numbers 5 4 and 7?

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Does the ODA contain the numbers 5 4 and 7?

Who is asking the questions here, Counsel?

Make your guess and live with it.

Placement in the photo and PS.com user name?

TR

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by The Reaper
Who is asking the questions here, Counsel?

Make your guess and live with it.

Placement in the photo and PS.com user name?

TR

OK, this is just a guess:

Front left - The Reaper
Rear center (I originally guessed left, then changed it) - NDD
Front right - Jerry Morris

[pulque]

Rear Center- TR
NDD - rear left
Jerry Morris- front left
Eagle5US- front center

[Pandora]

Does the ODA contain the numbers 5 4 and 7?

Only not necesarily in that order. I call cheat! That was an easy find.

Facing picture, my guess is:

TR Bottom Center
NDD Bottom Left

[NousDefionsDoc]

Ya'll going to let ol' Reaper stump you? Only three guesses. LOL

I don't understand why you assume I am in the picture. I told you all before I never allow my picture to be taken and I have all the ones that were sneaked.

[Surgicalcric]

Well the only three of you 7th group guys I have seen are TR and LR1947 in person and pics of Eagle5US.

I know 4 of you on here were on the same team at one time, but I cant seem to come up with anything...other than my last which was obviously wrong.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Four of us weren't on the same Team at the same time.

[Surgicalcric]

I thought TR, you, Joe, and Jerry Morris were on the same team...Damn foiled again.

[Ambush Master]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Ya'll going to let ol' Reaper stump you? Only three guesses. LOL

I don't understand why you assume I am in the picture. I told you all before I never allow my picture to be taken and I have all the ones that were sneaked.


YOU TOOK THE PICTURE ?!?!?!?! :munchin

[The Reaper]

This is fun.

I'll have to see what other pics I have after we sort this one out.

The team does look like it is hell bent for leather, though.

TR

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Surgicalcric
I thought TR, you, Joe, and Jerry Morris were on the same team...Damn foiled again.

'Fraid not.

TR

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Surgicalcric
I thought TR, you, Joe, and Jerry Morris were on the same team...Damn foiled again.

We were, but not all at the same time.

AM, no, I didn't take the picture. LOL
This is Reaper's deal.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Has anyone gotten any portion of their answer right?

I must say that I find it difficult to believe that TR would post a pic like this with no national security bars, so it must be a trick question.

[echoes]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Has anyone gotten any portion of their answer right?

I must say that I find it difficult to believe that TR would post a pic like this with no national security bars, so it must be a trick question.

RL, I am right with you. However, from a female perspective...
I must just say that the Brave Soldiers in this picture are very handsome. :)

Holly

[Smokin Joe]

Here is my S.W.A.G.

Oops Eagle5US should be over the top row second from the right.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Joe, are you LEO or FBI? LOL

[Ockham's Razor]

I was looking for the gold ring to identify TR. (from the Yarborough thread) No such luck. Anyone's guess is FAR better than mine. Though I must say I would doubt any pic here would include NDD. He's very sneaky and probably was the taker of the picture in question. Hence his virulent denials. :)

Though, I think Smoking Joe is right about Eagle5US.

[Roycroft201]

Based entirely on female logic:

IF NDD were in this picture, my first thought was which of these men would appeal to Sofia ?

[P36]

Far right, kneeling has been seen stalking through the halls of the Box, unless he has a twin. Don't know his name though.

[Pandora]

Based entirely on female logic:

IF NDD were in this picture, my first thought was which of these men would appeal to Sofia ?

Mostly, the gents here appeal is cerebral, but based on female tendancies that may be illogical - all of these guys probably appeal to Sofia!

I used a different female thought-process for my guess:

1. who looks most like they belong on TR's big ole bike
2. who had the wry, sneaky look glinting in his steely eyes

Still, hard not to see PO'ed Lion as TR - doesn't he look like the Reaper coming for someone's end? With a "hood" and all? Admit it - that is one scary dude that makes you glad he is on our side.

[brownapple]

If TR was in the pic (which I don't believe he is), he'd be the left rear individual. Note the LBV and the Bianchi pistol holster while the rest of the team wears LBE (except for the 203 vest). TR is obviously well known for his purchase of his own gear...

[CommoGeek]

Looks like a CW2 and two E-7's in the first row, so if TR is in it, he's in the back.

[Psywar1-0]

I really shouldnt say anything on this thread,

[Smokin Joe]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Joe, are you LEO or FBI? LOL

Was I close?

I used logical guessing (hence Scientific Wild Ass Guess). Who was in there mid 30's in 74? Probably LR1947? Also I saw a pic of Eagle5US (I think) in another thread.

I flat ass guessed about TR. It was a 1 in 6 guess.

BTW I would NEVER work for the Fumbling Bumbling Idiots. Way to much politics for me.

[echoes]

Originally posted by Pandora
I used a different female thought-process for my guess:

1. who looks most like they belong on TR's big ole bike
2. who had the wry, sneaky look glinting in his steely eyes

Still, hard not to see PO'ed Lion as TR - doesn't he look like the Reaper coming for someone's end? With a "hood" and all? Admit it - that is one scary dude that makes you glad he is on our side.
Pandora, I am "borrowing" your logic here...:)

And this is my Guess TR---

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Smokin Joe
Was I close?

Coldest of everybody, hence the question about the FBI. LOL

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by echoes
Pandora, I am "borrowing" your logic here...:)

And this is my Guess TR---

My guess is that the Reaper is/was not a CW2 (Warrant Officer).

Holly, look at the man's hat.


TS

[echoes]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
My guess is that the Reaper is/was not a CW2 (Warrant Officer).
Holly, look at the man's hat.
TS

Gssh-darnit! I knew there was a reason (via PM) that TR said I should guess away!!!
Thank You Team Sergeant, for teaching me about that little detail.

TR, I am now considering TS for my "New Professor"... :D

[Team Sergeant]

A few things about the picture:

M16’s and not M-4’s.

No optics on weapons.

All locked and loaded, no blank adapters.

Drive on rags on head and neck

Ammo pouches full.

Live grenades on ammo pouches.

Map in background is military, and very large area of operations/responsibly

American Flag on right shoulder

A cot next to the Chief and an open box of MRE’s next to the Big guy on the right

SF “Tabs�

Boots scuffed up

Everything I’ve mentioned either tells a timeline or a story/location in itself.

TS

BTW, I was not there, just observations.

[NousDefionsDoc]

That's why he's the Team Sergeant. Absolutely correct. Lot of Man Shit goin'n on in that photo. No girlie stuff. LOL

[Smokin Joe]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Coldest of everybody, hence the question about the FBI. LOL

Yup that figures...I guess I will have to work on my SWAG? LOL

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
A few things about the picture:

M16’s and not M-4’s.

No optics on weapons.

All locked and loaded, no blank adapters.

Drive on rags on head and neck

Ammo pouches full.

Live grenades on ammo pouches.

Map in background is military, and very large area of operations/responsibly

American Flag on right shoulder

A cot next to the Chief and an open box of MRE’s next to the Big guy on the right

SF “Tabs�

Boots scuffed up

Everything I’ve mentioned either tells a timeline or a story/location in itself.

TS

BTW, I was not there, just observations.

This going to be one of those lessons where all of the answers are present but I am not yet attuned/focused enough to see the answers.:(

[Team Sergeant]

Forgot to mention one thing, room seems to sterile indicated by blank paper on easel.

TS

[ktek01]

Would have to be late 80s with A2s and no optics. My WAG would be Team Sergeant, bottom right kneeling.

edit to add another WAG, this is probably 1989, Just Cause?

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by Smokin Joe
Yup that figures...I guess I will have to work on my SWAG? LOL



This going to be one of those lessons where all of the answers are present but I am not yet attuned/focused enough to see the answers.:(

While some things you should have caught, (M16's vice M-4's) other things I would not expect a non QP to pick up on, American Flag on shoulder, a military cot next to Chief, and drive on rags. They tell me things about the men in the photo you would not understand unless you have spent time on an A-Team.

TS

[NousDefionsDoc]

LOL - How many of them are wearing the flags?

The ceiling condition looks recent to me.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by ktek01
Would have to be late 80s with A2s and no optics. My WAG would be Team Sergeant, bottom right kneeling.

edit to add another WAG, this is probably 1989, Just Cause?


This is a pic of me. On the other side of the world. See anyone like me in that photo?

[Smokin Joe]

M16A2 not A1's

Jungle boots are Panama sole'd

Standard BDU's not ERDL's (or whatever they were called)

1 LBV

Drive on Rags

America Flags in full color

1 Bianchi holster

This isn't 1974 what the hell was I thinking.

I'm thinking right around the Operation Just Cause?

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
LOL - How many of them are wearing the flags?

The ceiling condition looks recent to me.

Let me tell you about the ceiling….

It’s not a US facility, why, because no SF SGM would let Team Room look like that. (missing ceiling tiles) It’s a temp ISOFAC as told by the cot, maps, MRE’s and the condition of the ceiling.

The number of US Flags does not matter, because there is ONE tells me a story.

TS

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
It’s a temp ISOFAC as told by the cot, maps, MRE’s and the condition of the ceiling.

OK, so what do I win? LOL

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
OK, so what do I win? LOL

Nothing you "asked" if they were in an ISOFAC.

That ISOFAC is in a hostile foreign country, how can I tell this?

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Smokin Joe
M16A2 not A1's

Jungle boots are Panama sole'd

Standard BDU's not ERDL's (or whatever they were called)

1 LBV

Drive on Rags

America Flags in full color

1 Bianchi holster

This isn't 1974 what the hell was I thinking.

I'm thinking right around the Operation Just Cause?

You are a patrol officer, not a detective, right? :D

All issue US Jungle Boots have been Panama soled for 40 years.

Some of your other stuff is good.

You guys and your guesses are killing me!!

Keep it up.

TR

[Kyobanim]

I'll take a WAG at this . . .

1. center, back row - Reaper. Reason? no sling (that I can see). Or the guy with the 203 vest, same reason.

Gotta do a little more research on the others.

That could be Jerry in the center back. I wonder if his hat says "YOUR NAME" on the back or if Reaper's does. Hmmmm.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
Nothing you "asked" if they were in an ISOFAC.

:rolleyes:

[Roycroft201]

I have no idea what I am looking at ( It's sort of like looking at one of those "Where's Waldo " books for me ! lol) or what it means when I find it , AND I don't know the correct military terminology for what I am seeing so bear with me:

The flag is facing the correct way with the field of blue in the upper left corner.

Are wedding rings normally worn (don't they catch the light if in the dark) - gentleman 1st row, lower left.

They are wearing green, not beige, - so I too think of SA, or at least NOT ME

The skylight light (it that really is a skylight) seems to dark, therefore at night , but I don't see any of the nite vision goggles

OK - I have to scroll back and look somemore. BTW - I really am glad these guys are on OUR side ! lol.

Roycroft201

[Roycroft201]

Team Sergeant -

Sir-if that is a picture of you then let me say if I ever meet you on a golf course, you can have all the mulligans you would like ! lol

B.

[Smokin Joe]

Okay what is with one NCO whereing the America Flag....but its facing the wrong way to be worn on that shoulder?

He is also wearing his ruck but it doesn't look too heavy (straps are sitting high on the shoulders).
Binos, Illum or Refletive tape on his Primary Mag?


The Warrant Officer and 3 others are wearing an LBE (I think)? with a Fastex sternum strap...why? Or maybe its not an LBE...top half of a climbing/ rigging harness maybe?


What is that little black cylinder thing on the Big guys left shoulder?

TR,

Actually I'm a Court Deptuy...no Det. here...maybe someday:D

[Smokin Joe]

Originally posted by Roycroft201

The skylight light (it that really is a skylight) seems to dark, therefore at night , but I don't see any of the nite vision goggles


Roycroft201


Roy check out the window on the far left side of the photo...it appears that light is coming in although not a bright sunny day type of light. More like sunrise/sunset, or a cloudy day.

[Kyobanim]

If I might ask a question:

Is this team 4 from Co B 2/7?

[Sigi]

This is a thread about a photo that hangs at Camp Mackall, and still I learned something new!

Only on this site.

BTW, are we going to eventually find out who's who? My TR vote is back row, second from the left. Anyway, beers are on me for any of them.:cool:

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by Sigi
This is a thread about a photo that hangs at Camp Mackall, and still I learned something new!


What did you learn?

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by The Reaper
You are a patrol officer, not a detective, right? :D

All issue US Jungle Boots have been Panama soled for 40 years.

Some of your other stuff is good.

You guys and your guesses are killing me!!

Keep it up.

TR

LOL - Note to self: Commit next crime spree in Flagstaff.

The flag is more telling than you know TS. I believe that is the only one you can see because he is the only one that wore one. LOL

[Roycroft201]

Smokin Joe-

The direction the flag is facing will help narrow the timeline for us. The flag was turned 'backwards' (the blue field was then put in upper right corner of flag) for a reason, after a certain point in time - I read it and now can't remember why !lol
I am also looking at the floor - I can't tell if that is a dirt floor or just a dirty floor !!LOL
I have to go to a meeting - Good luck.

B.
Roycroft201

[Surgicalcric]

Its a concrete floor. You can tell by the expansion groove under the left foot of the guy kneeling on the left.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Are wedding rings normally worn (don't they catch the light if in the dark) - gentleman 1st row, lower left.

DAMN! What are you using a microscope? I must be getting old.

[Ambush Master]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
Nothing you "asked" if they were in an ISOFAC.

That ISOFAC is in a hostile foreign country, how can I tell this?

Why else would they be "Locked and Loaded" (For BEAR) !!

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Roycroft201
Are wedding rings normally worn (don't they catch the light if in the dark) - gentleman 1st row, lower left.

Roycroft201

No, he is just whipped.

TR

[Kyobanim]

Originally posted by The Reaper
No, he is just whipped.

TR

LMAO:D

[brownapple]

Black cylinder is a caribiner, it's gate to the camera.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Smokin Joe
Actually I'm a Court Deptuy

This means I have to kiss his ass, at least if I'm ever in that courtroom. Even if he can't spell worth a damn. :)

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by The Reaper
No, he is just whipped.

TR

Oh, so that's NDD? :D

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Greenhat
Black cylinder is a caribiner, it's gate to the camera.

I don't think so. Roycroft, what's it look like on your microscope?

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Oh, so that's NDD? :D

You MUST have lost your mind. LOL. Whipped? Me? That's the 8th sign of the Apocolypse.

[brownapple]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
I don't think so. Roycroft, what's it look like on your microscope?

Hmmmm, could be right. Magnified it a bit and it doesn't look quite right for a 'biner.

[Surgicalcric]

I spy a knife, of some type, with my eye.

[The Reaper]

Crip, your eye has been supected to be in need of calibration lately, but...

I would hazard that item to be the hilt of a Gerber Mk. 2.

Mr. Harsey what do you think it is?

TR

[lrd]

Soldiers are authorized to wear the full-color US flag cloth replica during joint or multi-nation operations, at the discretion of the organizational commander. Soldiers are not authorized to wear the full-color replica upon their return to home station.

Edit: I don't know when this became regulation, so it may not apply to this picture.

[Air.177]

Originally posted by The Reaper
Crip, your eye has been supected to be in need of calibration lately, but...

I would hazard that item to be the hilt of a Gerber Mk. 2.

Mr. Harsey what do you think it is?

TR

Having just sold My personal Mark II, I can say that that does indeed appear to be a Gerber handle. The color also suggests that it was made after the 1970's. But we already knew that.

[Sigi]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
What did you learn?

Team Sergeant,
Attention to detail is something that Operators on this
board preach a lot about. Looking for clues in a picture
is not one of my strong points, but I am learning.
This helped:
A few things about the picture
M16’s and not M-4’s.
No optics on weapons.
All locked and loaded, no blank adapters.
Drive on rags on head and neck.
Ammo pouches full.
Live grenades on ammo pouches.
Map in background is military, and very large area of operations/responsibly.
American Flag on right shoulder.
A cot next to the Chief and an open box of MRE’s next to the Big guy on the right.
SF “Tabs�
Boots scuffed up.
Everything I’ve mentioned either tells a timeline or a story/location in itself.


I am curious as to why the ONE flag "tells you a story." Why is that?

The number of US Flags does not matter, because there is ONE tells me a story.

[D9 (RIP)]

My guess on time frame is between 1986 and 1994. I would say after 1985 because, although it is pretty hard to tell from the photo, the grip of that pistol looks more like an M9 than an M1911, and I don't think they started issuing the M9 until '86.

I don't think the Army began using the M4 until at least the end of 1994, so I would say it is before that.

So I'm going to say the photo is between 10 and 18 years ago.

The gentleman kneeling in the front has a digital watch which appears from the photo to have a round frame. I don't recall seeing digital watches with round frames much. I used the "latest" G-Shock during that time and it was a more of less square faced watch. It's not much to go on, but lends itself to the photo being sooner rather than later.

Also, the individual in the middle, standing, appears to be carrying a SAW judging from the bulk of the receiver and reflection of the stock on the map. As far as I know that was a late eighties addition to the arsenal.

But the quality of the photo, IMO, makes it unlikely that it was taken within the past 15 years. Also, the markings on the box of chows is unlike the markings that I saw when I was in from '90-'94. So I will guess it is a little before that but not much.

I'm going to tend towards the 1988-90 time frame. And I'm going to say that most of the men in that photo are now between 45-50.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by D9
And I'm going to say that most of the men in that photo are now between 45-50.

LOLOLOLOLOL

[Smokin Joe]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
LOL - Note to self: Commit next crime spree in Flagstaff.

The flag is more telling than you know TS. I believe that is the only one you can see because he is the only one that wore one. LOL

Ah Bite me. LOL But if you do come to town, beers on me! (make it easier on me to catch you when your shitfaced)

Originally posted by Rougish Lawyer
This means I have to kiss his ass, at least if I'm ever in that courtroom. Even if he can't spell worth a damn.

Yup and here you went to a fancy-pantsie law school to be prime and propper but if you come here you have to kiss my uneducated ass. :D

Spelling what are you my Mom now? :-)

[D9 (RIP)]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
LOLOLOLOLOL

I take it that's not SF Speak for: "Ding-ding-ding-ding! We have a winner!"

[Smokin Joe]

Originally posted by Roycroft201
Smokin Joe-

The direction the flag is facing will help narrow the timeline for us. The flag was turned 'backwards' (the blue field was then put in upper right corner of flag) for a reason, after a certain point in time - I read it and now can't remember why !lol
I am also looking at the floor - I can't tell if that is a dirt floor or just a dirty floor !!LOL
I have to go to a meeting - Good luck.

B.
Roycroft201

I read that they changed it b/c it gives the apperance of always moving forward (i.e. not re-treating). However I don't know when they changed it.

[CommoGeek]

Originally posted by Sigi
I am curious as to why the ONE flag "tells you a story." Why is that?

My semi-educated guesses are:
1) Establishes timeframe - When was the flag authorized and for what types of missions?
2) Location - You wouldn't wear the flag in the U.S.
3) Reason - In conjunction with #1.

I don't recall seeing them before 1993, when the U.S. went into Somalia (maybe in 92 the Marines had them?). Were they worn for Just Cause?

[D9 (RIP)]

Originally posted by CommoGeek
My semi-educated guesses are:
1) Establishes timeframe - When was the flag authorized and for what types of missions?
2) Location - You wouldn't wear the flag in the U.S.
3) Reason - In conjunction with #1.

I don't recall seeing them before 1993, when the U.S. went into Somalia (maybe in 92 the Marines had them?). Were they worn for Just Cause?

I'm pretty sure the Army had them in GW1. I know the USMC did not, and to my knowledge did not have them as part of the uniform until I got out in 1994. But maybe they had them in Somalia, since the UN was heavily involved in that.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by lrd
Soldiers are not authorized to wear the full-color replica upon their return to home station.

No longer true, or at least as of 1 Oct 05.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Roycroft201
The flag is facing the correct way with the field of blue in the upper left corner.

But it shouldn't be -- should be reversed on the right shoulder, at least as of today . . .

[NousDefionsDoc]

LOL - attempting to apply rhyme and reason?

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
But it shouldn't be -- should be reversed on the right shoulder, at least as of today . . .

So, were the rules different then, or was this soldier attempting to make the enemy believe he was retreating, when in fact he planned to attack? Clever move, seems to me . . . LOL

[NousDefionsDoc]

The orientation of the flag is not a critical path item.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
The orientation of the flag is not a critical path item.

LOL

You mean his rifle will still fire if the patch is on backwards?

I'm now wondering if the back of his hat looks like this:

[echoes]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
This is a pic of me. On the other side of the world. See anyone like me in that photo?

All I can say is, WOWEE! They dont call ya'll special for nothing. :D Oh my Indeed!

Strangely, I thought about this thread a lot today...
(I am blonde after all)...and am glad you stepped up to the plate!Thank You for posting that photo!!!

I also decided that since I am just a little civilian, I could "maybe" help along "others" to post pic's of themselves? Just an idea:

I'll start: (G-Rated, Of Course)

Holly

[Roguish Lawyer]

OK, Holly, this is me:

[echoes]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
LOLOLOLOLOL

OKAY, give it up! I have not felt this frustrated since, well, nevermind. Point is, come on Brave Soldiers!!!!

Ya;ll are driving me crazy. I did it, its easy, just post a pic. :)

(RL...Nice Photo )

Holly

[Air.177]

I don't know RL, the teeth look kind of dull and I don't see a fin. Are you sure that's you?

[Roguish Lawyer]

Tell you what, Holly. If TR and NDD are in that photo and they identify themselves, I'll post a real photo of myself here too.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Air.177
I don't know RL, the teeth look kind of dull and I don't see a fin. Are you sure that's you?

Oops, this is me:

[desafiamos]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Ya'll going to let ol' Reaper stump you? Only three guesses. LOL

I don't understand why you assume I am in the picture. I told you all before I never allow my picture to be taken and I have all the ones that were sneaked.

Well...that is not totally correct my brother.:D

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by D9
I'm pretty sure the Army had them in GW1.

Yes, yes we did. But then again SF'ers wear what they want a lot of the time.

[Eagle5US]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Tell you what, Holly. If TR and NDD are in that photo and they identify themselves, I'll post a real photo of myself here too.
We want more shots of HOLLY :D

Eagle

[Eagle5US]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
Yes, yes we did. But then again SF'ers wear what they want a lot of the time.
So you're saying they let you get away with pastel blues and no tie during GW I??? Boy, you had it easy :D

Eagle

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Eagle5US
We want more shots of HOLLY :D

Eagle

Unauthorized, but open source:

[Roguish Lawyer]

Oh, what the hell. I'm on the right.

[Kyobanim]

Had to find one with sunglasses, OPSEC you know :cool:

[Eagle5US]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Unauthorized, but open source:
What say we "open that source" just a little more!!!
You look great as always Holly ;)
Thanks RL!

Eagle

[Roguish Lawyer]

One more:

[Team Sergeant]

I've decided to post one of another member..... You've all wondered what GreenHat looks like, well....

[ktek01]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
One more:

Thats my favorite, Holly may want to disable PMs for a while. LOL

[Kyobanim]

Now I'm really confused. Which one is Greenhat?

<<<RUN AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY>>>

[NousDefionsDoc]

Everybody give up on The Reaper's photo?

[Kyobanim]

Nope, just looking for clues throughout the forums

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Everybody give up on The Reaper's photo?

I only get one guess. Waiting for the damn answer!

[brownapple]

Originally posted by Kyobanim
Now I'm really confused. Which one is Greenhat?

<<<RUN AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY>>>


Very, very far away.

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
I only get one guess. Waiting for the damn answer!

Clue Number One.

As surmised, I am not dumb enough to post a recognizable pic of me on here while I am still on AD.

To all of you who found me in that photo, you are WRONG, try again.

By the way, RL, you have a nice rack in that last pic of you. Post op conversion to look like Pam Anderson, or are you a female impersonator?

TR

[Team Sergeant]

Airborne Lawyer,

You figured out who that is in the picture I posted? Anyone else?

TS

[Sdiver]

Okay, I want in on this.

TR....I don't think you're in that picture. Aren't you still on AD? If so, that would violate OPSEC. Plus any other member that is on the boards, wouldn't want you to splash their beautiful mugs over the WWW.

My guess for local is ..... Bosina.

edit......D'oh !!!!
I'm an idiot. TR, I didn't see your above post saying that you wouldn't want to show YOUR beautiful mug on the WWW, either. (But that's what I was thinking while I was making dinner).

[NousDefionsDoc]

Reaper is NOT in the photo, he just said that above.

Attention on Deck, Reaper is NOT, I repeat NOT in the photo! That is all.

[P36]

As for time frame, as I believe I recognize one of the individuals, and he's an E-7 in the photo, I have to put it no earlier than 1995. (unless he's been on the E-8 list for a while).
As for all the rest, I'm clueless.

[Smokin Joe]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Everybody give up on The Reaper's photo?

Nope, Just tired of being wrong...figured I should shut up and wait for more intel. :)

[Pandora]

Bottom center - is there a correalation between wearing the flag and wearing the name over breast pocket? Either the others are hidden by harnesses or they aren't wearing them.

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Pandora
Bottom center - is there a correalation between wearing the flag and wearing the name over breast pocket? Either the others are hidden by harnesses or they aren't wearing them.

They all have name tags, to my knowledge.

Clue Number Two.

The time frame, as guessed correctly by some, is late 1989.

TR

[Para]

The flag and patches say alot about the type of mission and I would venture to assume the location as well. I have not followed closely who everone is enough to make an educated guess. So I will just add some notes that run through my head.

1) Unless there is disinformation going on, the ODA is blatant and the location would be CA/SA. Counter-drug operation?

2) All of the LBE's vs. the lone LBV gives the era away in that most of the guys are comfortable with the LBE rather then the "new" LBV. The MRE box helps pin the time frame, too. As TR states above 1989.

3) The flag on the arm tells me their mission is not clandestine in nature and being identified as a US soldier maybe a good thing. Honduras? Columbia? Panama?

4) The scuffed up boots and torn BDU's would tell me they are not getting ready to go, they are in the middle of operations. Interestingly enough, they are all clean shaven.

I will have to think about this some more.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Para
Columbia?

Definitely not. Wouldn't be legal. LOL

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Definitely not. Wouldn't be legal. LOL

Right, Posse Comitatus and all. This is obviously going to be one of my crosses to bear from the karma pool.

The ODA is "blatant"? What does that mean?

[lrd]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
The ODA is "blatant"? What does that mean? That the name of the pic is "ODA 754"?

[Ambush Master]

Just Cause, December, 1989. Advance Team.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by lrd
That the name of the pic is "ODA 754"?

Well, it took you long enough. However, I believe that is incorrect. There was a massive re-numbering just a few months prior to the picture being taken.

[Psywar1-0]

Ok so do I win the prize for identifying more team guys than anyone else? NDD can you put my old post back in? As to the folks I didnt identify Im guessing they are the ones here on the forum. Just my luck LOL

[echoes]

Originally posted by Eagle5US
What say we "open that source" just a little more!!!
You look great as always Holly ;)
Thanks RL!

Eagle

RLyou sneaky thing you...
kteko1, Eagle, awww, thanks! This is me...
But I have an idea as to The Reaper in photo...
(Yes NDD, I have read what you said)

Originally posted by lrd
"That the name of the pic is "ODA 754"?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Ndd
"Well, it took you long enough. However, I believe that is incorrect. There was a massive re-numbering just a few months prior to the picture being taken."

BUT, if it was ODA 764...then it must be The Reaper taking the photo... Remember what TS said in observations:
"A cot next to the Chief..." ?????????????????????

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Psywar1-0
Ok so do I win the prize for identifying more team guys than anyone else? NDD can you put my old post back in? As to the folks I didnt identify Im guessing they are the ones here on the forum. Just my luck LOL

Negative, you have to wait. Next time check PMs! LOL

[echoes]

Originally posted by The Reaper
By the way, RL, you have a nice rack in that last pic of you. Post op conversion to look like Pam Anderson, or are you a female impersonator?
TR

Sir, you qre quite humerous...

Do you really think so? :D

[lrd]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Well, it took you long enough. However, I believe that is incorrect. There was a massive re-numbering just a few months prior to the picture being taken. I just figured TR changed the name of the picture to throw us off. lol

[echoes]

Originally posted by lrd
I just figured TR changed the name of the picture to throw us off. lol

WE GOT IT!!! We are smarter! Remember what TS says? "Attention to detail"?
(I know in advance that if NDD thought I was worthy, he might respond. However, He has a lot of more important folks than me to respnd too.) :eek:

So I guess You and I, lrd, will have to just guess on our own. I believe You are correct.

(((hugs)))
Holly

[NousDefionsDoc]

(I know in advance that if NDD thought I was worthy, he might respond. However, He has a lot of more important folks than me to respnd too.)

Did I miss a question from you here somewhere?

[Roguish Lawyer]

Well, I suppose Doc could be in the picture . . .

[NousDefionsDoc]

Could be...

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
Airborne Lawyer,

You figured out who that is in the picture I posted? Anyone else?

TS

My guess is it's you. Clandestine insertion. LOL

[Roguish Lawyer]

I'll guess that Doc is in the back row, second from the left.

[NousDefionsDoc]

When are you going to tell them Reaper?

[Smokin Joe]

Are any of you guys who are "in the know" willing to share what the significance of the 1 America Flag is?

I'm fully expecting a bunch of "no" replys but I have to ask. :)

[NousDefionsDoc]

LOL - Reaper will let you know when he's ready, I'm sure.

[echoes]

NousDefionsDoc [/i]
Did I miss a question from you here somewhere? [/QUOTE]

From echoes:
(I know in advance that if NDD thought I was worthy, he might respond. However, He has a lot of more important folks than me to respnd too.)

Sir...It was a little tiny, meaningless joke, that obviously was not funny to You. I am sorry. Since I am one of just a couple of gals on this thread, I mistakenly thought it would be funny to single that out.

Holly :( Sory again.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
When are you going to tell them Reaper?

LOL, The Reaper told me today he'd be out of the net for a few days. Guess everyone's going to have to wait....

TS

[Roycroft201]

If TR is going to be out of the net for a few days it will give me time to re-group on this picture. I have been only following a few new posts at a time, when I've had a chance to sign on for a couple minutes and now I am totally confused who has correct anwers and who doesn't.

I thought it was determined that the time of the photo was Dec. 1989, Just Cause, A-Team, but I am totally lost on who is in the picture. I thought NDD said he was NOT in the photo but a recent post opens up that possibility again.

And then, some of you guys have been sending PM's and so YOU know who is who. NOT FAIR ! POST OUT IN THE OPEN !! LOL

And then the guys went off on a tangent when RL posted Holly's pics for a distraction ! (good for you Holly, but did they give you any inside info.?).

Jeesh !. I'm going back to page one and start over to see what is confirmed fact . Looking forward to Reaper getting back !

Roycroft201

[DunbarFC]

Let's see


It's clear no one on AD is in this pic

The Reaper most likely cleared it with folks here before he posted their pic

Disinformation is part of the game

The Reaper is NOT in the pic

I bet NDD is and is trying to mess with our heads

Other than that I have to say I've learned I am a horrible guesser


And lastly - insomnia sucks ! ;)

[Roycroft201]

Thanks, Dunbar,

I now have drawn a little diagram on my computer desk with little heads on it and I keep re-naming them as I change my mind ! lol

RC201

[DunbarFC]

I'd also bet that the fellow with the flag was posing with the other guys just for a pic

That's why he is the lone flag wearer

[Roycroft201]

Has anyone determined whether Sacamuelas could possibly be in this picture?

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Roycroft201
Has anyone determined whether Sacamuelas could possibly be in this picture?

WTH? He told you he is didn't he?

[Sacamuelas]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
WTH? He told you he is didn't he?
RC201..you have a PM in your box ma'am.


DAMN!!! NDD/Roycroft201 ambush was set while I was away this weekend. You trying to get me killed? LOL.... I am not qualified to be in that pic Ma'am.



Back to The Reaper's thread.

[Psywar1-0]

Originally posted by Smokin Joe
Are any of you guys who are "in the know" willing to share what the significance of the 1 America Flag is?

I'm fully expecting a bunch of "no" replys but I have to ask. :)

Think about who these guys were getting ready to fight, how the bad guys were uniformed, equiped ect, then look at the guy wearing the flag and you should be able to figure out why he of all people would want to wear one.

[echoes]

Originally posted by Roycroft201
And then the guys went off on a tangent when RL posted Holly's pics for a distraction ! (good for you Holly, but did they give you any inside info.?). Roycroft201

Actually no. I did not ask to be the distraction of the thread.
I am far to intellectually inferior to figure out who is who, anyway.


Back to lurking. :)

Holly

[Para]

Originally posted by Psywar1-0
Think about who these guys were getting ready to fight, how the bad guys were uniformed, equiped ect, then look at the guy wearing the flag and you should be able to figure out why he of all people would want to wear one.

I thought of this yesturday afternoon and the only logical answer I could come up with is he is either the medic, the one who is a teams predominate civil affairs / public relations guy, or he is their "mouth", the one with the gift of gab.

As PERSEC and OPSEC are rampant, therefore the party to be identified would be in the know, I am going to have to guess that the flag bearer is NDD.

[Sdiver]

Maybe the guy with the Flag was playing Airsoft and the other fellas found him and put him in this pic as a warning. He is after all, the only one with some type of smile on his face.

.....boy am I gonna catch Hell for this.;)

[rubberneck]

I ususally just lurk here but might this be a picture of the team that rescued Kurt Muse?

[pulque]

Originally posted by Psywar1-0
Think about who these guys were getting ready to fight, how the bad guys were uniformed, equiped ect, then look at the guy wearing the flag and you should be able to figure out why he of all people would want to wear one.

hm... I could conceive of that.

The flag-wearer is not the only smiling one. There is also the smile of the guy on his left. He seems full of light.

[Psywar1-0]

Could I have some Fries with a side of late 80s tactical nylon?

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Psywar1-0
Could I have some Fries with a side of late 80s tactical nylon?

From what I understand, the non-standard LBE was a one off design done by John Carver at Eagle for that Detachment and "donated" them to the Team. It was a STABO/Rappel rig. Only 12 of them were ever made, or so the story goes. And the Team members kept them as personal property.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Psywar1-0
Think about who these guys were getting ready to fight, how the bad guys were uniformed, equiped ect, then look at the guy wearing the flag and you should be able to figure out why he of all people would want to wear one.

Not an American?

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Not an American?

LOL - the jury is still out on that one.

[Psywar1-0]

I cant think of anyone more american on the inside than the guy wearing the flag.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Psywar1-0
I cant think of anyone more american on the inside than the guy wearing the flag.

True

[Roguish Lawyer]

I thought torture is not employed by SF personnel! LOL

[NousDefionsDoc]

Reaper is the man on this.

[Ambush Master]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
I thought torture is not employed by SF personnel! LOL

We only use it on Lawyers and Dentists !! :D

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Reaper is the man on this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But was I right on the national origin thing?

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But was I right on the national origin thing?

In part. Team humor from what I have been told.

[Solid]

I've had the pleasure of reading this thread today from start to finish, and the tension grows. It is amazing how much can be gleaned from seemingly irrelevant details... however, to do this gleaning it seems to me that a certain amount of inside knowledge is needed.

Can't wait to put some nicknames under those faces.

Solid

[NousDefionsDoc]

It is amazing how much can be gleaned from seemingly irrelevant details

Hence the fanaticism with OPSEC. All starting to come together? Reaper, while having fun, is also teaching a valuable lesson, especially to the 18Xers.

Now, imagine having the G2 from this thread plus the trash taken out of that area if this wasn't an A Team (we know how to deal with the trash) and a couple of loose comments.

[Roguish Lawyer]

While I stand by my guess, I will be surprised if NDD is in this picture.

[mcd72085]

Back row,
Second from the left... XXXX
Second from the right...XXXXl.

Admin edit for Persec

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by mcd72085
Back row,
Second from the left... XXXX
Second from the right...XXXX

Never heard of either one of them.

[mcd72085]

<Shrugs> And I had never heard of you until I visited this site :rolleyes:

I don't know much information pertaining to the picture. The guesses were based on the picture being named ODA 754. A search on hotbot reveals: http://www.gen-xgraphics.com/tdkka/doug.htm . This has both of those men being listed on ODA 754, around the same time frame as that picture. Doug's pictures look like an almost perfect match for the man in the back row, 2nd from the right; and Jeff looks fairly close to the man in the back row 2nd from left. Like I said..purely guesses..

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by mcd72085
<Shrugs> And I had never heard of you until I visited this site :rolleyes:

I don't know much information pertaining to the picture. The guesses were based on the picture being named ODA 754. A search on hotbot reveals: http://www.gen-xgraphics.com/tdkka/doug.htm . This has both of those men being listed on ODA 754, around the same time frame as that picture. Doug's pictures look like an almost perfect match for the man in the back row, 2nd from the right; and Jeff looks fairly close to the man in the back row 2nd from left. Like I said..purely guesses..

The difference there, rolleyes, is that you are not in the community and I am.

Its not them. The people you mention may have been on 754, if they were, it was before I got there. Entirely possible. However, I know every man in that picture personally.

Reaper, you know these guys?

[mcd72085]

I didn't mean to seem sarcastic or disrespectful, the rolleyes was meant to be in good humor. And as for my second post, I was not doubting you, merely posting how I came to the conclusion I did so it did not seem *entirely* random. My appologies.

[NousDefionsDoc]

No problem.

[Roycroft201]

And this is said with humor, so don't anyone go getting all uptight on me here......but.......
I wish I knew these guys personally ......I have a neighbor who is driving me nuts wanting to put a stockade fence up over on my side of the property line and I need someon with the credentials of these guys to give her a message for me !! lol

OK - I am done being envious of NDD knowing everybody.

I'll go back to figuring out the clues again now .
:p

[NousDefionsDoc]

Jerry will know these two guys.

Jerry, don't be giving away secrets on the picture Reaper posted. LOL

[DanUCSB]

Sounds like a pretty easy problem to solve, Roycroft. Just let him go to all the effort of building it, and then when he's done, bash it down with a Bobcat and throw a big party/BBQ with a giant bonfire as the centerpiece. ;)

--Dan, believes in property rights

[froglegz]

what me!!!!!! i know nothing.... just ask the guy with his johnson hanging out (almost)

that is a serious crew though.... many a bar lost it's entire inventory to them. when they were not busy shooting laws at cars on gruber road, or playing blind man in pensacola, or picking up sky groupies at raeford.....

hey, but like i said.... i know nothing

[Roguish Lawyer]

OMG, why haven't I thought of this before?

Jerry, your signature clued me in to this.

There are an awful lot of medics on this site. Medics who ride in ambulances.

I knew something drew me here. Pavlov.

LOL

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by jerry morris
what me!!!!!! i know nothing.... just ask the guy with his johnson hanging out (almost)

that is a serious crew though.... many a bar lost it's entire inventory to them. when they were not busy shooting laws at cars on gruber road, or playing blind man in pensacola, or picking up sky groupies at raeford.....

hey, but like i said.... i know nothing

You know the two guys mcHammer90210 named above? Rolleyes - PM Jerry the names. One of them sounds familiar.

LOL Jerry - I heard about that blind man thing, must have been funny as hell.

[mcd72085]

.. but he appears to have left already.

[NousDefionsDoc]

He'll be back. He's sneaky - like an SF Dude. LOL

[Roycroft201]

Thanks for the suggestion, Dan. When I get fed up and frustrated with the neighbor, I just come in here and sign on PS.com and see if I can look for more frustrating clues in a picture of people I don't know, where I know next to nothing about the technical stuff and I am still trying to figure out the acronyms ! LOL
But I like the challenge - I really do. It reminds me that not everything we see is what it seems.

RC201

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
He's sneaky - like an SF Dude.

/rimshot

[Solid]

LOL RL that epiphany was right up there with J. Joyce's .... I can see it now:

"A Portrait of the Lawyer as a Young Ambulance Chaser"

:)

Solid

[froglegz]

i'm back.... just ran out for the big drop-off... sent the son for his physical.. leaving 11 may for ft knoxxxxxxx. decided he wanted to be a 19D.... do not know what came over him, but the bonuses got the best of it. they are giving obscene amounts of $ for cannon fodder.

about the names.... the are indeed old 754 alumni but do not see them in the pic.... zadow was probably in the shitter

[NousDefionsDoc]

They were not on 754 when that picture was taken.

[froglegz]

yeah... that was taken after the double switch.... b-2-7 to c-2-7 and back again... they were long gone. i was gone by then too but still nearby.

[CRad]

Disregard

[Solid]

Those guys are all wearing US patches on their shoulders. I wonder what the operational doctrine is on those patches?

Solid

[CRad]

Originally posted by Solid
Those guys are all wearing US patches on their shoulders. I wonder what the operational doctrine is on those patches?

Solid

I can't recall the reason right off hand. I remember sewing several on uniforms though. And in a hurry too.

[Solid]

Do you have any more non-PERSEC/OPSEC pictures for comparison purposes?

Thank you,

Solid

[CRad]

Originally posted by Solid
Do you have any more non-PERSEC/OPSEC pictures for comparison purposes?

Thank you,

Solid

Last night I was thinking about the flag not the unit patches. Sorry. I do have several other pictures from other operations. Promote Liberty, Safe Border and various small missions.

It's up to the Admins. I'll post some if they don't mind.

[Airbornelawyer]

Any connection?

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=841

[Sacamuelas]

I do not know who is in the original pic, except I do suggest that one looks a LOT like Eagle5's mug he posted in another thread.

However, I am going to be extrememly disappointed if NDD is in that pic. WHY? B/c every rifle in that pic has a sling on it. I don't know how many times I have read posts where NDD has said that slings aren't for SF operators. HAHA

To keep with the thread... I will give my guess.
Using the observed things pointed out already, combined with statements from NDD about the 5.11 vests not having been sewn on backwords(translated- he is a lefty) then I would also choose the flag displaying gentleman with the grin as our favorite 18D. That and the fact that he needs binoculars to observe his targets with that brand new sniper training he would have just received from LR. He also commented on how patriotic and American that man displaying the flag is in this thread. We all know our NDD likes himself... more than anything else except Sofia, the kid, and his revolutions.

well, NDD? :munchin

[Para]

Originally posted by Airbornelawyer
Any connection?

http://www.professionalsoldiers.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=841
I think you may be on to something....

From the other thread:
Team Leader is a WO with CCN experience. Team Sergeant former Batt Boy who supported the Iran Op. Two really good demo guys, one of the best commo guys in Group, and two cherry weapons guys that just joined the Team for what all thought would be the upcoming social event. And the medic, well, the medic...

8 guys in the photo with an identifable WO. I am still holding fast that flag boy is the 18D.

[Solid]

Yeah, it'd be cool if it was NDD, just so that we have a face to go with the name and incomparable sense of "humour". :D

Solid

[Roguish Lawyer]

Originally posted by Para
I am still holding fast that flag boy is the 18D.

I don't think so.

[Para]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer
I don't think so.
Well sometimes I am stubborn like that. Besides, what better mental image could there be then our deerly beloved NDD wearing an ascot, one that color coordinates. :D

[Roguish Lawyer]

Why not make this interesting. Anybody want to bet? I am pretty sure that guy is not NDD.

Saca:

If you're game, my proposal is the loser has to display an avatar of the winner's choosing for one week.

:lifter

[echoes]

Originally posted by Roycroft201
Thanks for the suggestion, Dan. When I get fed up and frustrated with the neighbor, I just come in here and sign on PS.com and see if I can look for more frustrating clues in a picture of people I don't know, where I know next to nothing about the technical stuff and I am still trying to figure out the acronyms ! LOL
But I like the challenge - I really do. It reminds me that not everything we see is what it seems. RC201


RC, I had an idea for ya?

But, I edited it due to post by The Reaper saying that the photo in discussion goes no where, but here on PS.com...

So, new idea???
When I recently had a problem with an unruly neighbor, I went down to the local Army Surplus, got some cammo gear, and paint, and impredded upon those neighbor's that I was not going to take any B.S.

:)
Back to The Reaper's thread....I think NDD says it best, that a "lesson" is being taught here. How, Why, or When, I have No clue. But I believe NDD all the way.

Holly

[Sacamuelas]

Originally posted by Roguish Lawyer

Saca:

If you're game, my proposal is the loser has to display an avatar of the winner's choosing for one week.


That is a bet counselor..

My WAG is NDD in front with flag and yours is Back center if I'm not mistaken? To win.. one of us has to be right.. Otherwise, its a draw with no avatar change. Deal?

Personally, I don't think either is NDD. We have no solid reason to believe that he is even in the pic.. after all, he is probably much fuglier than either of the men we have unfortunately accused of being NDD. LOL :p

[Psywar1-0]

Yall are as wrong as 2 privates naked in the woodline with the Chaplain's assistant.

[Sacamuelas]

psywar-

Well, I am not surprised. This is a pure guessing game anyway.

To bad RL.. that pretty much takes care of the bet. :(

[Ambush Master]

Originally posted by Sacamuelas
That is a bet counselor..

My WAG is NDD in front with flag and yours is Back center if I'm not mistaken? To win.. one of us has to be right.. Otherwise, its a draw with no avatar change. Deal?

Personally, I don't think either is NDD. We have no solid reason to believe that he is even in the pic.. after all, he is probably much fuglier than either of the men we have unfortunately accused of being NDD. LOL :p

OK Boys, I'm going to "Sweeten the POT" !! In the event of a Tie, then it's "God Gun Rules" and NDD gets to set YOUR AVATARS for the week !!!

Remember where you're playing !!

[The Reaper]

Back in for a few days.

Originally posted by Para
I think you may be on to something....

From the other thread:

8 guys in the photo with an identifable WO. I am still holding fast that flag boy is the 18D.


Originally posted by Sacamuelas
That is a bet counselor..

My WAG is NDD in front with flag and yours is Back center if I'm not mistaken? To win.. one of us has to be right.. Otherwise, its a draw with no avatar change. Deal?

Personally, I don't think either is NDD. We have no solid reason to believe that he is even in the pic.. after all, he is probably much fuglier than either of the men we have unfortunately accused of being NDD. LOL :p


Wrong. That is the 18C, not the 18D. Lots of detective work going on here though.

For the rest of you budding Sherlock Holmes, given the presumptive date and location of the team pic, tell me why the only Latino on the team running around that place in BDUs with a weapon would want to wear a US Flag?

I think you should both be wearing forced avatars for missing that one.

The party(ies) in the pic may identify themselves at any time they feel the time is right and the purpose of this thread has been served. Those who know who they are please continue to wait.

Thanks for all of your interest.

TR

[NousDefionsDoc]

Ya'll ready for the answers?

[Sacamuelas]

DAMN!!! Ambushed by the MASTER.

Well, since we are both wrong as I think psywar knows NDD...then at least make it a poll or suggestion thread for everyone to get a little humor in before NDD decides.

ONe week? Deal I guess its big boy rules for big boy sites. :lifter

One request AM, avatar by NDD ONLY if the Reaper or the individuals in question tell us everyone who is in that pic that frequents this site.

[Ambush Master]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
Ya'll ready for the answers?

If you want, you may quote my earlier PM.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Is that it then? Ready?

[Sdiver]

Originally posted by The Reaper
For the rest of you budding Sherlock Holmes, given the presumptive date and location of the team pic, tell me why the only Latino on the team running around that place in BDUs with a weapon would want to wear a US Flag?

Thanks for all of your interest.

TR

Without going back and re-reading 15 pages.....have we established that this was in Panama during Urgent Fury?

If so....then the Fella/Latino wearing the flag, would want to wear it, so as not to be mistaken for being in the PDF.
Because didn't they (the PDF) get many of their supplies/uniforms/BDUs from the U.S.?

[Sacamuelas]

Yeah.. we are ready. If you are going to tell, then that means you are in the pic per Reaper's instructions.

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Sacamuelas
DAMN!!! Ambushed by the MASTER.

Well, since we are both wrong as I think psywar knows NDD...then at least make it a poll or suggestion thread for everyone to get a little humor in before NDD decides.

ONe week? Deal I guess its big boy rules for big boy sites. :lifter

One request AM, avatar by NDD ONLY if the Reaper or the individuals in question tell us everyone who is in that pic that frequents this site.

Is your position strong enough to be setting terms?

Noted that you are speaking for your partner in crime, is he the smart one, to let a dentist plea-bargain for the both of you?

I am not exposing any former teammate who does not care to identify himself. Those who do can fess up whenever they want.

I know who everyone is. At least one is still on AD, and will remain unidentified.

For those of you who have copied this photo, it better not appear anywhere else.

Aloha and Mahalo.

TR

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Sdiver
Without going back and re-reading 15 pages.....have we established that this was in Panama during Urgent Fury?



DAMN! MPs always invading the wrong AO for the operation!

If you were in Panama for Urgent Fury - you were a couple of countries too far north and about six years early. You didn't shoot anybody did you?

[The Reaper]

Originally posted by Sdiver
Without going back and re-reading 15 pages.....have we established that this was in Panama during Urgent Fury?

If so....then the Fella/Latino wearing the flag, would want to wear it, so as not to be mistaken for being in the PDF.
Because didn't they (the PDF) get many of their supplies/uniforms/BDUs from the U.S.?

That would be a feat, since I see no downside to being a Latino in Panama during Operation URGENT FURY, the invasion of Grenada.

TR

[Sdiver]

Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
DAMN! MPs always invading the wrong AO for the operation!

If you were in Panama for Urgent Fury - you were a couple of countries too far north and about six years early. You didn't shoot anybody did you?

D'oh !!

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Sacamuelas
Yeah.. we are ready. If you are going to tell, then that means you are in the pic per Reaper's instructions.

I never said I was going to tell, I'm asking if everybody is ready to know. Attention to detail Jawbreaker! "STOP, that's not the third molar!" LOL

[Ambush Master]

Originally posted by Sdiver
Without going back and re-reading 15 pages.....have we established that this was in Panama during Urgent Fury?

If so....then the Fella/Latino wearing the flag, would want to wear it, so as not to be mistaken for being in the PDF.
Because didn't they (the PDF) get many of their supplies/uniforms/BDUs from the U.S.?

Urgent Fury=Grenada, 1983
Just Cause=Panama, Dec, 1989

[Sdiver]

Originally posted by The Reaper
That would be a feat, since I see no downside to being a Latino in Panama during Operation URGENT FURY, the invasion of Grenada.

TR

D'oh !!!!

[NousDefionsDoc]

Urgent Hurry and Just Because

The Grenada op was named by the Department of Redundancy Department.

[Sdiver]

Originally posted by Ambush Master
Urgent Fury=Grenada, 1983
Just Cause=Panama, Dec, 1989

It's all part of my MASTER plan.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Ready for the answers?

[Para]

A2's in 1983? Wow, guess I need to refresh my weapon history. Is that an A1 in Chief's hands? The vest on the guy in the back left through me off on a date that old.

The flag bearer doesn't appear to be latino to me.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Ok, let's pull the wings and legs off the fly one at a time.

I am in the picture.

[Gypsy]

NDD....first row far right? Or will we not get to put the name to the face?

[Ambush Master]

OK here, the equipment tells the story !!

[NousDefionsDoc]

Yes, there is a sling on the weapon I am holding, however it is not my rifle. i carried a long gun on that op and had already cleaned it and put it away, the rifle I am holding belongs to the individual that took the picture.

[NousDefionsDoc]

The SF Warrior with the flag is indeed Latino, half Portuguese and half PR. We made him wear the flag to mess with him, telling him we didn't want to shoot him by mistake.

AM is right about the equipment.

[NousDefionsDoc]

I will not give names of the others, some are still AD and I don't have their permission.

bring the pic forward please.

[Team Sergeant]

NDD,
I think you should let them guess, I'd say a year before you spill the beans would be good.
TS

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by Team Sergeant
NDD,
I think you should let them guess, I'd say a year before you spill the beans would be good.
TS

LOL - but its pathetic!

[Sacamuelas]

.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Al was right, this is indeed the Team from the story about working with the Mushroomheads.

First row, from the left. the Chief is well, the Chief.

[ghuinness]

What the heck - I think you are in the back row, second
from left.

[NousDefionsDoc]

Originally posted by ghuinness
What the heck - I think you are in the back row, second
from left.

You better hope I never go back to Florida. :D

[NousDefionsDoc]

First row, second from left - Senior Engineer and Team Flag Bearer.

[rubberneck]

back row second from the right?

[NousDefionsDoc]

First row, third from left. One half of the best Commo duo to ever serve in Special Forces.

I can't remember them ever having anything less than 100% on their shots and yes Virginia, they know code.

The other half is on the board. He can identify if he wishes.