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Cincinnatus
02-06-2007, 19:45
This is motivated by curiousity rather than any real need for the best in HSLD gear, but I was wondering what guys on mountain teams recommend for boots and bindings for XC skis. I've been wearing Alpina boots that marry to the NNN BC binding and have been very happy with them. I particularly like that I can hike w/o difficulty in the boot. It has a fairly aggressive sole and at least for a short hike is quite comfortable.

I've trashed my skis and in looking at replacing them I've had folks tell me I should move to a three pin binding with a cable for around the heel. This is due more, I think, to my size (6'3", 230 lbs) than the dictates of the skiing that I do - mostly on skimobile trails, some groomed trails, some BC.

So, are there boot/ binding combinations any of you are particularly enamored with?

TIA

x SF med
02-07-2007, 08:01
C-
We were issued stuff that would make most people cry when I was in 10th Group. Ramer 'multipurpose' skis that didn't really work that well for any purpose, came with the Ramer bindings (toe slide with heel cable, lock downs for downhill, and realease for XC/Telemark) and they supposedly worked with the issued Hanwegs or the issued Chippewas with the issued Gaiters that worked about 70% of the time

Ok, now that the bitching is done - I became a pretty good skiier because of this equipment, we had to be very technically proficient with unforgiving equipment and accomplish our mission.

In the civilian world - it's much easier - rent various combinations until you find the setup you are most comfortable with - a few bucks in research, a series of test drives as it were. Most of the XC places are more than happy to set up different packages for rental - because they're going to try to sell you on a package, and if you come up with a combo, it saves them trail time.

Snaquebite
02-07-2007, 08:25
C,
Wish I could help but it's been a long time since I played in the snow. I did get up to intermediate instructor level back in 10th which I thought was a pretty good feat for a southern boy. On the another note....
Ramer multipurpose' skis that didn't really work that well for any purpose, came with the Ramer bindings
...we had wooden White Stars and leather bindings...(lots of fun) We did finally get Silveretta biindings before I left and they weren't much better.

Pigpen
02-07-2007, 11:23
With your height and weight you will definately want a broader back country ski. Like above I have been out of Skiing for a couple years. The last 10th group ski I did was a trip thru the Camp Hale area.

I acutally kept and still have my skis I used for the entire duration at 10th. The Eric's with the Silveretta 440(?) bindings. We got some of the newer skiis in a couple year before I left, I didn't like them they were too soft for me. Hence my initial statement.

BTW I have a broken heel peice, any help out there?

Go with the rental suggestion, just dont go to "Grand Theft Outfitters":p

x SF med
02-07-2007, 11:33
BTW I have a broken heel peice, any help out there?

Go with the rental suggestion, just dont go to "Grand Theft Outfitters":p

Bro- no help on the broken heel piece (you mean the heel lock down so the hinge works?). But thanks for the B/U on the rental suggestion. Lots of the ski and skate shops have rentals too - and they will definitely customize the binding/boot/ski combos.

Lucky bastard didn't have to do the Ramers with "skins" for uphill.

Jack Moroney (RIP)
02-07-2007, 14:30
We had a requirement to pass at a distance for locals hence we all bought civilian equipment and had an ecclectic assortment of skis, boots and bindings and because they were civilian they were better quality than issued stuff where quality is determined by the lowest bidder. As the folks have said, better to rent some stuff first to find out what fits your needs before you buy. You and I carry the same weight, however you seem to have been stretched beyond "normal" height and you will need a longer ski than most. If you are going to carry some additional weight and are looking at backcountry skiing my preference would be metal edged skis, higher than normal cross country ski boots, and a good touring type binding that you can repair on site if needed that matches your skill level.

mffjm8509
02-07-2007, 16:45
BTW I have a broken heel peice, any help out there?

Go with the rental suggestion, just dont go to "Grand Theft Outfitters":p

Grand West went out of buisness a year or so ago......probably after you retired.

I used to have an old pair of bindings laying around. I'll have to scrounge through my gear lockers next time I'm back in Colorado. I may have finally tossed them out, but I'll give it a look.

mp

incommin
02-07-2007, 18:42
C,
Wish I could help but it's been a long time since I played in the snow. I did get up to intermediate instructor level back in 10th which I thought was a pretty good feat for a southern boy. On the another note....

...we had wooden White Stars and leather bindings...(lots of fun) We did finally get Silveretta biindings before I left and they weren't much better.


Probably the same wooden White Stars I used in 1969 in the 10th!

Jim

longrange1947
02-07-2007, 20:39
Probably the same wooden White Stars I used in 1969 in the 10th!

Jim

I remember the winter of '69 and skiing on the golf course at Devens. We just got brand new Heads with Silverette bindings/chips and I was busting my butt in prep for a trip to Alaska and the great noothern ski school. :D

We wound up with the White Stars/White Mickey Mouse Boots/ and bindings that were leather and fiberglass. Can't remember the names of those suckers.

lksteve
02-07-2007, 21:25
boots are kinda funny....find something that fits your feet...bindings...well, when it comes to 3-pin bindings, i don't think there's much out there to separate one from the other...

of course, as a 10th Group guy, i've skied Chips and Death (White) Stars with Silveretta cable bindkings, Hanwags and Heads with Marker touring bindings (the sumbitch that dreamed those bindings up needs to be shot, hung and shot again), and when we were "allowed" to bring our own boots, i used Koflach Vallugas with a Silveretta 400 binding on a Vokl Renntiger (Alpine Touring HSLD for sure)...in Alaska, i used Mickey Mouse boots with a cable binding on Head skis...

i have a pair of Jaarvinen skis with Salomon boots and bindings, but they aren't touring skis...

right now, i have Karhu skis with Karhu 3-pin bindings and boots...it seems to be a workable combination...i tried Raichle 3-pin boots and Salomon as well, but they didn't seem to fit me right....and that's the key...if the boots don't fit, you will be one unhappy camper...

lksteve
02-07-2007, 21:28
We wound up with the White Stars/White Mickey Mouse Boots/ and bindings that were leather and fiberglass. Can't remember the names of those suckers.there was nothing HSLD about Winter Warfare training in Alaska...survival skiing, snowshoe marching and moving fast enough to keep from freezing were pretty much what we did...all the time...seven months out of the year...

you know, sometimes i miss those days...then the nurse brings me my meds...:D

kachingchingpow
02-08-2007, 08:30
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Didn't intend for my post to be in a 10th grp forum. Thought this was a "gear" topic.

Carry on.

alfromcolorado
04-12-2008, 16:57
Found this site a little late, but always like to post to BC ski gear threads...

Hanwags and Ramer bindings, no more 404s and Lowe plastic mountaineering boots. In the mid 90s who the heck got those 200cm no waist 2x4s with the tip curled up?

Anyway...

My rig now is Atomic MX:9s with Fritschi Freeride bindings and Nordica TR12 BC Touring boots.

"Drove" them in Garmisch this year too, just to make a few people jealous.

Aber der Schnee war nicht so gut dieses Jahr. Should have stayed in CO.

Al

SFS0AVN
04-13-2008, 10:43
Probably the same wooden White Stars I used in 1969 in the 10th!

Jim

That brings back some memories. Ltc Karavorie and Lt Thorne after the first snow fall, ve go kross contry now! He would put on his Finn XC skiis and the rest would take Army white stars with Kandahar bindings and the Mtn Boots made in Toelz. Later you could buy and use your own civilian skiis and boots in Toelz.

lksteve
04-13-2008, 10:47
Later you could buy and use your own civilian skiis and boots in Toelz.Yup...WW training uniforms of 1/10 used to give the students in the 7th Army NCO Academy fits..."But SGM, none of you guys are even wearing the same boots..."

SFS0AVN
04-13-2008, 10:53
"But SGM, none of you guys are even wearing the same boots..."

We couldn't let them get ahead of us.