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Team Sergeant
06-08-2006, 09:01
Google, We Help Put the “O” in OPPRESSION!
(Brin you are a spineless little man.)
TS
Google Says It May Revisit China Censorship Policies
By Keith Regan
E-Commerce Times
06/07/06 11:45 AM PT
Search giant Google (Nasdaq: GOOG) may seek to alter terms of the agreement it made in order to conduct its Web search business in China. Google co-founder Sergey Brin suggested the move after admitting the company's decision to agree to censorship conflicts with its philosophy and famous "do no evil" motto.
Brin has acknowledged in the past that Google's deal with China's communist government to censor certain search terms "wasn't what we ideally would like." However, the company has said that the opportunity to do business in China was too great to ignore, and argued that having a presence there could, over time, lead to more openness and free speech.
On Tuesday, Brin went a step further, saying the company may even reverse its earlier decision to agree to the censorship.
http://www.ecommercetimes.com/rsstory/50964.html
one-zero
06-08-2006, 09:43
Crush the chinese people by supporting the regime...but God forbid he helps USG in ID'ing Assbags using his service for research/tgt pkgs against America...
Guys like him and Soros who made their fortunes only by the grace of being in USA just don't get it
Slantwire
06-08-2006, 09:57
Should have removed the filters without making a statement. See how many people could find new and interesting ideas before the ChiComs noticed.
Do no evil, unless there's lots of money in it. :rolleyes: Tying into the leadership thread -- how much are your principles worth?
Should have removed the filters without making a statement. See how many people could find new and interesting ideas before the ChiComs noticed.
You'll find the filtered pages are blocked anyway.
You'll find the filtered pages are blocked anyway.
Thanks to Cisco.
Team Sergeant
06-08-2006, 12:13
"We felt that perhaps we could compromise our principles but provide ultimately more information for the Chinese and be a more effective service and perhaps make more of a difference," Brin said. "Perhaps now the principled approach makes more sense." Sergey Brin co-founder google
They didn't "compromise" their principles, they sold them.
Playboy published an interview with Larry Page and Sergey Brin in the September 2004 issue, which got them in hot water with the SEC based on the company's pending IPO (I had to read the article for class;) ). When asked what the company's motto meant, CEO Eric Schmidt replied, "Evil is whatever Sergey says is evil." Brin responded, "...we have tried to define precisely what it means to be a force for good - always to do the right, ethical thing."
The interviewer asked specifically about China, which had already blocked Google. At that time, several companies had already capitulated to China's demands on censorship, in return for access to the market.
PB: Have you ever agreed to conditions set by the Chinese government?
BRIN: No, and China never demanded such things....To be fair to China, it never made any explicit demands regarding censoring material. That's not to say I'm happy about the policies of other portals that have established a presence there.
PB: What would you do if you had to choose between compromising search results and being unavailable to millions of Chinese?
BRIN: There are difficult questions, difficult challenges. Sometimes the "Don't be evil" policy leads to many discussions about what exactly is evil. One thing we know is that people can make better decisions with better information.
Apparently, selling out is not "evil." Welcome to the public markets, Sergey.
"It's perfectly reasonable to do something different, to say, 'Look, we're going to stand by the principle against censorship and we won't actually operate there.' That's an alternate path," Brin said. "It's not where we chose to go right now, but I can sort of see how people came to different conclusions about doing the right thing."
article (http://news.com.com/2061-10812_3-6080738.html)
I saw the update TS posted in the MySpace thread. WTF is this guy talking about, I know he's way smarter than I am, but did he say this with a straight face? I can "sort of" see how this shows that sticking to your principles really is "something different."
Upon further thought, I guess this sell-out should not shock anyone, coming from a guy who thinks it's OK to generate revenue from reading and analyzing people's email messages.
x SF med
06-09-2006, 13:25
Upon further thought, I guess this sell-out should not shock anyone, coming from a guy who thinks it's OK to generate revenue from reading and analyzing people's email messages.
Hmmmm.... kinda like the No Speak About
Hmmmm.... kinda like the No Speak About
At least they're doing it presumably to hunt terrorists. Google does it to grab more advertising fees.
x SF med
06-09-2006, 16:48
vsvo-
are you sure? healthy skepticism and a moderate amount of paranoia will keep you from being too surprised by the bad guys, or even the good guys
vsvo-
are you sure? healthy skepticism and a moderate amount of paranoia will keep you from being too surprised by the bad guys, or even the good guys
About which part, Google?
Did anyone notice...
Yesterday Google made a special image for their search engine logo and linked it to the Chinese New Year info...but today they don't even acknowledge Presidents Day?!?!?
Team Sergeant
02-19-2007, 08:25
I've also read they (the two geeks that invented the search engine but counld not get a date) are eco friendly but purchased a custom 767 built for two. Money talks with those two.
sfbaby1982
02-19-2007, 10:51
Money talks to everyone these days. It definately speaks louder than that little angel.
Its all good until you have the money.
R
incommin
02-19-2007, 11:10
"Anythings fair in love and war"........put business in there too!
Jim
Warrior-Mentor
02-19-2007, 21:50
Did anyone notice...
Yesterday Google made a special image for their search engine logo and linked it to the Chinese New Year info...but today they don't even acknowledge Presidents Day?!?!?
How hard would it have been to have a "Mt Rushmore" imaged into their logo?
Where are they getting their engineers & web designers from? hmm... :munchin
LibraryLady
02-19-2007, 22:08
Did anyone notice...
Yesterday Google made a special image for their search engine logo and linked it to the Chinese New Year info...but today they don't even acknowledge Presidents Day?!?!?
They also didn't do a special image for Veteran's Day. :confused:
I've been using Dogpile (http://www.dogpile.com/), one of the better meta search engines, for a while now.
They also put up special graphics for the important days, like Veteran's Day, President's Day, Armed Forces Day, Flag Day...
LL - Not a Google fanatic
How hard would it have been to have a "Mt Rushmore" imaged into their logo?
Where are they getting their engineers & web designers from? hmm... :munchin
They used to swoop into Stanford, MIT, etc. and cherry pick the best Ph.D.'s. Now, the percentage of those hires who were of Chinese or Asian descent, I don't know.:) When they were dangling pre-IPO shares, coupled with the buzz of being The Tech Company, they could pick the best and the brightest.
sfbaby1982
02-20-2007, 03:45
Wow...get on with your bad self. +1:munchin
R
While I find the hypocrisy despicable, Page and Brin got exactly what they bargained for. I'm sure at one point they believed in those ideals, and maybe they still do today. But once they went public, they faced the truth of the markets: the primary goal of the firm is to maximize shareholder wealth. Everything else is irrelevant, unless it contributes to the primary goal.
Many companies and executives are weary of being slaves to the quarterly numbers. Much of the private equity money now is going into taking companies private. I worked for two startups during the internet go-go years. One made it to the IPO, the other one didn't. Today, the preferred play for a tech startup is to do everything possible to entice Google to buy you out.
I hope Page and Brin enjoy their personal jumbo jet and billion dollar net worth. Because none of it came free.
They also didn't do a special image for Veteran's Day. :confused:
I've been using Dogpile (http://www.dogpile.com/), one of the better meta search engines, for a while now.
They also put up special graphics for the important days, like Veteran's Day, President's Day, Armed Forces Day, Flag Day...
LL - Not a Google fanatic
Thanks. My homepage just went from Google to Dogpile.
Cheers, LL.
Google, IMO, is the epitomy of the DoubleSpeak and the "Big Brother is watching you" type of mentality of 1984, and their owners and workers are leftists, which = socialists most likely. I really don't like that company.
The owners may be leftists, but the workers are simply guys who work there.
You know how I know that? My brother in law works for Google. He isn't some socialist, just a techie just as most of the people working there are. To say Google (from a tech perspective) isn't an exciting and innovative place to work would be staying blind.
On the flipside, the internet services providers are scared [read AT&T] because they actually have a monopoly on the plumbing of the internet and till now were sitting happy and cozy. Google isn't the anti-christ nor are the internet service providers helpless creatures.
This is business and they're battling it out as they should. I don't want anyone stifling content or becoming a barrier to information flow for me. Whether it's google or the internet service providers.
I don't like the fact that Google will celebrate every other occasion, yet not American ones. Typical SF bay area stuff, but lets hold our comments to people who run the company and lay its strategy out. Not condem all the people who work there for a living. Microsoft isn't the antichrist, nor is Apple, nor is Google. They're businesses with one goal: profit. The rest of it is at the whims of their own eccentricities, which rich people who're worth billions can afford.
SouthernDZ
02-20-2007, 11:45
Thanks. My homepage just went from Google to Dogpile.
Cheers, LL.
ditto...
sfbaby1982
02-20-2007, 11:57
Thanks. My homepage just went from Google to Dogpile.
Cheers, LL.
Ditto+1
You know how I know that? My brother in law works for Google. He isn't some socialist, just a techie just as most of the people working there are. To say Google (from a tech perspective) isn't an exciting and innovative place to work would be staying blind.
Not trying to take this too far but Enron was a great place to work too, right before it caused a minor recession. Nazi German Army was a fantastic employer too right up until we entered that war. Reform starts at the grass roots and I think that your brother in law is in a great place to start making a change over there. Encourage him to do that rather than come here and tell us how they are innocent.
Just my .02
R
Not trying to take this too far but Enron was a great place to work too, right before it caused a minor recession. Nazi German Army was a fantastic employer too right up until we entered that war. Reform starts at the grass roots and I think that your brother in law is in a great place to start making a change over there. Encourage him to do that rather than come here and tell us how they are innocent.
Enron broke the law and conducted poor business practice and Nazi's were murderers responsible for genocide. Google is a tech company with billionaire hippies as owners. IMO, that is taking the comparison too far. The only reason this conversation is happening is because they want the Chinese market and would censor content, yet be spoiled kids and stick the thumb at the plate which feeds them (USA) by taking a stand against symbols of American history.
I do agree that reform starts at the grass roots, but the way to force change for a business is through the market. Also, I am the one claiming my brother in law's innocence (when a broad brush gets painted calling all Google employees socialists, strong words. We only know of managements attitude, not individuals working for a private company) he is not a part of this forum. As the company grows, more will have input into it and the bosses will have delegate more.
What Google is guilty of is doing what many corporations in America do - trying to make their top dollar but not own up to their misguided thoughts until called out on (when the bottom line gets hit.). If one has an issue, alternatives like dogpile are a place to start. Those against Microsoft's IE use Mozilla's firefox or other browsers.
82ndtrooper
02-20-2007, 20:50
BS,
Exellent Post !!