12-01-2005, 14:41
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Double Tap Ammo
Note: This data was posted by the owner of Double Tap Ammo. (TW)
Here are official gelatin results for all of the DoubleTap loads!
All of these tests were done using 10% ballistic gelatin provided by Vyse gelatin using all FBI protocols and 4 layers of denim and two layers of light cotton T-shirt in front of the gelatin.
DoubleTap .40 S&W Penetration / expansion
135gr. Nosler JHP @ 1375fps - 12.10" / .72"
155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1275fps - 13.00" / .76"
165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1200fps - 14.0" / .70"
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1100fps - 14.75" / .68"
200gr XTP @ 1050fps - 17.75" / .59"
DoubleTap .357 Sig
125gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1450fps - 14.5" / .66"
DoubleTap .357 Magnum
125gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1600fps - 12.75" / .69"
158gr. Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 19.0" .56"
DoubleTap 10mm
135gr JHP @ 1600fps - 11.0" / .70" frag nasty
155gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1475fps - 13.5" / .88"
165gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1400fps - 14.25" / 1.02"
165gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1425fps - 14.75" / .82"
180gr Golden Saber JHP @ 1330fps - 16.0" / .85"
180gr XTP @ 1350fps – 17.25” / .77”
180gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1300fps - 15.25" / .96"
200gr XTP @ 1250fps - 19.5" / .72"
230gr Equalizer @ 1040fps - 11.0" and 17.0" / .62" and .40"
DoubleTap .45ACP
185gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1225fps - 12.75" / .82"
200gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1125fps - 14.25" / .88"
230gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1010fps - 15.25" / .95"
DoubleTap 9X25
115gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1800fps - 10.0" / .64" frag nasty
125gr Gold DOt JHP @ 1725fps - 15.0" / .74"
147gr Gold Dot JHP @ 1550fps - 17.5" / .68"
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12-02-2005, 07:49
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Guerrilla Chief
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One day I hope to see all bullet manufacturers engaging us with terminal/wound ballistics data....what happens in gelatin has no correlation to the human body.
Wouldn't it be informative if they were able to get reports from hospitals and coroners offices about the true wound ballistics of their bullet. Then true comparisons could be made and an informed decision can be rendered by the individual shooter on what to carry in their weapon.........I have a dream.
I encourage everyone to contact these manufacturers and have them pursue this kind of information so that the data presented means something rather than nothing.
All medications go through 'phases' of trials until they do it in humans....gelatin is a phase 1 trial and should be listed that way (no corrolation to performance in the human body can be stated) ....I wonder why it has taken so long for this discussion to happen ands when the past poor data will become useful data.
just my rambling.....
ss
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12-02-2005, 09:51
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Originally Posted by swatsurgeon
One day I hope to see all bullet manufacturers engaging us with terminal/wound ballistics data....what happens in gelatin has no correlation to the human body.
Wouldn't it be informative if they were able to get reports from hospitals and coroners offices about the true wound ballistics of their bullet. Then true comparisons could be made and an informed decision can be rendered by the individual shooter on what to carry in their weapon.........I have a dream.
I encourage everyone to contact these manufacturers and have them pursue this kind of information so that the data presented means something rather than nothing.
All medications go through 'phases' of trials until they do it in humans....gelatin is a phase 1 trial and should be listed that way (no corrolation to performance in the human body can be stated) ....I wonder why it has taken so long for this discussion to happen ands when the past poor data will become useful data.
just my rambling.....
ss
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What would happen to all the dentists? I've heard for years that the dentists are the true internal, external and terminal ballistics experts and not the Trauma surgeons???? 
What they do for a living, who would then be able to dupe?
TS
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12-02-2005, 11:56
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Asset
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ballistics testimony
Last winter when I was in Texas, I had shot a deer. It was a .45ACP 230gr. COR-BON out of a 16 barrel. The shot was about 65 meters. I don't have any info on velocities but after dressing the deer, I am definitely a firm believer in HK carbines, .45 ACP and COR-BON. Entry was through a rib into it's heart. The round had flattened as expected, but the jacket had been peeled back and had come off. The round did not exit, I'm guessing it dumped all of its energy into the rib and heart. Between the broken rib, the copper jacket and the lead core, the inside was a mess. Yes this was a deer and those on this site are more worried about the 2 legged animals, but you can't deny the performance of that round.
If this is getting off topic or is better suited in another thread, please insert where best suited.
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12-02-2005, 16:26
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
I've heard for years that the dentists are the true internal, external and terminal ballistics experts ...
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AMEN brother!!!
I told you not to repeat that in mixed medical company though.  LOL
For those that don't know, TS was referring to the gelatin expert ofen quoted that happens to be a licensed dentist.
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12-02-2005, 16:35
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Guerrilla Chief
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is he still staying up with his recertifications in oral work or is that now just a past time?????
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'Revel in action, translate perceptions into instant judgements, and these into actions that are irrevocable, monumentous and dreadful - all this with lightning speed, in conditions of great stress and in an environment of high tension:what is expected of "us" is the impossible, yet we deliver just that.
(adapted from: Sherwin B. Nuland, MD, surgeon and author: The Wisdom of the Body, 1997 )
Education is the anti-ignorance we all need to better treat our patients. ss, 2008.
The blade is so sharp that the incision is perfect. They don't realize they've been cut until they're out of the fight: A Surgeon Warrior. I use a knife to defend life and to save it. ss (aka traumadoc)
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