Old 09-12-2005, 08:33   #1
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Would you mind helping me?

Hello,

Thank you for your time. My name is Jessica and I am a senior in high school who is doing a research paper on SF. My father is an SF currently stationed at Fort Braag and is an E-7. Not that you really cared, but I would ask him, but I never find the time. Right now I am at school trying to find links to research this enigma called the Green Brerets. Naturally, this is the only site that I was able to stumble across that actually has the information that I am looking for.

I suppose that all I am asking of you is to give me some feedback on other sites that possibly have information; information that I could access. Once again, thank you for your time. I really appreciate anything, even if it leads to dead ends.

I will continue my research in other areas other than the computer, but my most reliable source is the INTERNET.


Oh well, life goes on, my fair gents, oh how it drags on.


Keeping you in my thoughts
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Old 09-12-2005, 09:05   #2
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Masters of Chaos

Jessica,
usually a members first post goes in the introductions and it would be good if you went back and did that.
Time is scarce here and out of respect to who you say your father is, I will answer your question now.

Get and read the book "Masters of Chaos" by Linda Robinson. Ms. Robinson is a senior writer for US News and World Report. She will explain things about the greater SF that you will never learn on the internet.

If any Quiet Professional members here have a different opinion on this book, they will state it.

As long as your on the internet, stay at this website and use the search function. The publicly available history of United States Army Special Forces is all referenced here somewhere.

Please make a point of reading all the stickys for this website.

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Old 09-12-2005, 09:39   #3
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....My father is an SF currently stationed at Fort Braag and is an E-7. Not that you really cared, but I would ask him, but I never find the time.

Little 'ol me

Ditto to what the previous post by Bill said.

Also find the time to ask your dad. Talk with him about what he does. I'll assume that you are in the Fayetteville area. If you are and writing a paper about SF you should visit the SF Museum on Ft Bragg and the Airborne & Special Ops Museum in downtown Fayetteville.

Not everything is on the internet.

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Old 09-13-2005, 12:53   #4
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Yeah, I should go back to the INTRO thing, but I am not really computer inclined, lol. I am actually pretty lucky to actually stumble across this site. Just for your curiousity and humbled information, my dad is in the fayetville area, I am in the cincinnatti, considering my parents are divorced. I would ask dad, but I believe the answers I recieve may not be worth my time. Of course, I should at least give him the benefit of the doubt, so I will probably call him tonight. I really don't know what to ask or even how to address it. I love my dad, don't get me wrong, but man, he's a hardass. At no surprise, all of you who just read that line are probably laughing because you know it's true. I am proud of my dad, so proud that I brag about him more than I should.


Anyway, sorry, I like to ramble. Information is found in other places other than the internet, I know, but I feel more comfortable seeing written rather than it being told to me. You know what, perhaps I am just lazy, lol! The research paper only calls for four sources and two of them can't be from the internet.

The information on G.B./SF that I am looking for is historical stuff that have affected the GOVERNMENT (guess which class) like weren't Green Berets and CIA one when CIA was first formed? Stuff like that. We were allowed to pick the topics and perhaps I should have chose a better one, but then again, I could think of nothing better.


(What's all this about reading the handbook? Did I break a rule?)


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Old 09-13-2005, 13:05   #5
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Try This

Try This

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...c-history1.htm

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Old 09-13-2005, 13:18   #6
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THIS would be a great place for you to begin.

I read Tom Clancy's Special Forces and it gives a good overall history of US Army Special Forces. At least it did for me.

Mr. Harsey is right, Masters of Chaos was a great book, IMHO.

But you know what, if you go to the very beginning of this site, before you got to the forums, there are links on the left that are full of information, including history.

Also, do a search of the Book Reviews and Recommendations forum here on professionalsoldiers.com. You will have so much reading and researching to do you will not find time to post.

Good luck, and tell your father Thank You for me.
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Good link Pete, thanks. I hope Jessica uses that to help her understand the framework of the history of Army Special Forces.

Jessica,
No you didn't break a rule but following the protocols set here at Professionalsoldiers.com will get you "farther down the road faster". The point of this is to not waste your time or ours.

Use what you learn here to ask your dad questions, if he's hard to speak with, write out your questions in advance.
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Old 09-13-2005, 14:33   #8
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Post your introduction like the kind members have suggested.
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Old 09-13-2005, 16:34   #9
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Gawd!

"Yeah"?

"humbled information"?

"but I believe the answers I recieve may not be worth my time."?

"perhaps I am just lazy, lol!"

First of all, it is, "Yes sir"

You haven't asked yet and you've already decided your primary source won't be worth your time? Do research papers no longer require an open mind?

As for the last one, I think there is little doubt. I understand "cut and paste" is difficult from a book and you might have to actually read the book to get anything out of it, but are we doing the paper or are you?

Most of the information you are looking for is here or in the other sources you were given above. You have been shown an enormous amount of restraint so far by the members of this board. Get your act together and get on with it and quit trying to take the easy way out.
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Old 09-14-2005, 16:20   #10
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Jessica,
I had a thought about how to ask your Dad questions that he might be able to answer and you have a way of understanding.

For starters, find the place at this website that describes each Special Forces "Military Occupation Specialty" (MOS). Read what they all are, then ask your Dad what his "MOS's" are.

I'm sure you know that your dad may be bound as a matter of his job to not talk about details like missions, dates, places and some if not a lot of his training and schools.
This is simply the nature of the job.

If you read here long enough you will note that many things are not discussed for operational and personal security concerns.

Keep any answers to yourself, whatever he chooses to tell you is between you guys.

There are some amazing people here on this board. Be smart enough to take advantage of their knowledge and experience long after your paper is written. Again, I say this is out of respect for your father and yourself.

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Old 09-14-2005, 20:57   #11
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Jessica,

Another "print" resource you might try (if they allow you to cite magazine articles) is the article Imperial Grunts by Robert D. Kaplan, in The Atlantic (October 2005) or his book version, Imperial Grunts: The American Military on the Ground . Might give you a different perspective on "Green Berets" <ahem, kaff, kaff> Special Forces <ahem, kaff, kaff>. Mr. Kaplan went to two Area of Operations (AORs) - The Republic of the Philippines and Afghanistan, and interviewed the sort of people you are looking for, the ones that cut to the chase. As it relates to your government project, I believe you will be better served by the book format, but the magazine (he has also written previous articles on SF for the same magazine) will give you a quick intro to the amount of information that you can find in his book.

The anecdotes he relates about the Philippines, I can say, are rather factual as I have had the privilage of knowing some of the gentlemen that he mentions and have been there myself.

I hope that this helps you with your research.

V/R,

P.S. Remembering back to my high school days, there is not a Cliff Notes version of this book (yet). There is, however, an index. While there is no topic of "Government", I am sure that if you just reference (read: look up, read, and read the pages before AND after) the pages relating to specific countries, you will find what you need...and may end up reading the whole book; as each section, you will find, relates to the whole. Also, you may find that he has more information about how Sf affects American foreign policy within OTHER governments contained within his book. In all reality, his magazine article is a 5 -10 minute read on the bus. His book is a pop a CD in the player (PS2, Xbox, Computer, etc...) and lounge around read. Good schtuff!

Cheers! ...in teen(L33T)-speak, I believe that is L8Rs!
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