03-29-2006, 09:36
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Special Forces Recruitment problem solved!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,189421,00.html
WASHINGTON — Congressional Democrats promise to "eliminate" Usama bin Laden and ensure a "responsible redeployment of U.S. forces" from Iraq in 2006 in an election-year national security policy statement.
In the position paper to be announced Wednesday, Democrats say they will double the number of special forces and add more spies, which they suggest will increase the chances of finding Al Qaeda's elusive leader. They do not set a deadline for when all of the 132,000 American troops now in Iraq should be withdrawn...
The article goes on to quote numerous Democrats who are now claiming that the Democratic party is the "real national security party"...
ANYWAYS- All of you QPs that have been suffering long, back-to-back deployments should take heart and vote Democrat- it seems that they have a plan to instantly double the ranks of the SF community!
If you had only listened to "the real national security party", we'd have Bin Laden in a cage by now... 
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03-29-2006, 09:49
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I'd like to see their plan to eliminate OBL (what, more cruise missile attacks?) and to double the size of SF.
Again, lets review the rules:
SOF Truths
Humans are more important than Hardware.
Quality is better than Quantity.
Special Operations Forces cannot be mass produced.
Competent Special Operations Forces cannot be created after emergencies occur.
I believe the last Dem POTUS, named Clinton, IIRC, eliminated TWO SF GROUPS, and considered the elimination of Third Group.
TR
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03-29-2006, 10:33
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I really don't think they can accomplish much more. 18X contracts are already going out like candy, and lots of them can barely make it through OSUT. If you try to mass produce professionals such as these more than we already have, eventually the degradation of quality operatives will negate the purpose. As for spies, I'd love to see them penetrate the middleast. The fact that we haven't done much since Desert Storm should tell you something. Not that it can't be done, but certainly not on any massive scale atleast any time soon. Don't believe the hype.
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03-29-2006, 10:43
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I believe the last Dem POTUS, named Clinton, IIRC, eliminated TWO SF GROUPS, and considered the elimination of Third Group.
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And it is because of Slick willie's cowardly response that OBL attacked the U.S. and was allowed to continue to be a living part of the gene pool.
More SF does not equate to more dead terrorists.
TS
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03-29-2006, 15:54
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I love hearing how "THEY" are going to double the size of SF!! The funny thing is..."WE" who are responsible for the selection process have actually been selecting less in the past 7 months then they did in the past two years and by my math, that is less then "DOUBLE"!! Maybe "THEY" have a different pipeline then "WE" do!
Daver sends....
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03-29-2006, 16:05
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Originally Posted by TFM
I really don't think they can accomplish much more. 18X contracts are already going out like candy, and lots of them can barely make it through OSUT. If you try to mass produce professionals such as these more than we already have, eventually the degradation of quality operatives will negate the purpose. As for spies, I'd love to see them penetrate the middleast. The fact that we haven't done much since Desert Storm should tell you something. Not that it can't be done, but certainly not on any massive scale atleast any time soon. Don't believe the hype.
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I know I don't believe any of the hype since I see the results on a daily basis. Doubling the size of SF would be almost impossible as well. First, there are not enough qualifying individuals out there unless we let in anybody who is breathing and has heard of SF....that I promise you won't ever happen. Second, when the dems talk doubling, they are talking out their asses....they might mean doubling when you add in CS/CSS folks but not operators and we all know that as important as support soldiers are, they are force providers who don't go thru the rigorous selection and training process that we all did. Finally consider this...only 10-15% of the US population is eligible to enter the Army...that number is dropped to 1/10th of 1% of those 10-15% who might be eligible to enter SFAS. Historically, SFAS only selects 43%....my math is not perfect but added up, only those select few will ever be true SF soldiers and that is why in my humble opinion "THEY" will never be able to double our numbers.
Sorry about the long winded reply!
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03-29-2006, 16:12
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Roger that 
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03-29-2006, 16:19
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Dave:
I think that you may have identified a way for the Dems to actually double the number of SF soldiers.
The population of this country is roughly split between Republicans and Democrats.
Based on my quick survey, approximately 95% of all SF soldiers are Republicans or Independents.
If the Dems can actually find sufficient numbers of loyal party members ready to get their asses (or those of their kids) off the Hempfest, protest, and welfare lines, and into the pipeline, we can double the number of SF soldiers before President Bush leaves office, and reduce unemployment in the process.
I am sure that Teddy, Harry, Hillary, Barbara, Diane, Nancy, et al will be more than happy to send their progeny to pay the piper, along with several thousand of their loyal constituents.
"Hey, Teddy, that doesn't look very much like a push-up to me. Get your fat ass down and your belly off the ground."
Those not selected can serve in the Infantry and take care of their recruiting woes.
Just a thought.
TR
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03-29-2006, 17:55
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Now that's funny, I don't care who you are!
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03-29-2006, 19:04
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
"Hey, Teddy, that doesn't look very much like a push-up to me. Get your fat ass down and your belly off the ground."
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The dems have a plan....wow! Uh huh, we've heard this now for years and years. Know what I hear? The "waaa waaa whhhhaaa waaa waaah" jibberish sound from the teacher in the Charlie Brown cartoons.
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03-29-2006, 21:39
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Whats' wrong with this picture??
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I believe the last Dem POTUS, named Clinton, IIRC, eliminated TWO SF GROUPS, and considered the elimination of Third Group.
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Wait you have to think about Hillary Clinton's stand. When she was in the House.
La casa blanca... "mi casa blanca es su casa del whote"
She never wanted to see a uniform person/ member when she would walk around the White House. But now (and other DEMS) she is all about the military and the support of.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...ry-soldier.htm
So now these "people" are saying how great the military is. Most of them have never served in the military, but tell the military how to/should get bigger.
Now the military (DoD) SWC, USASOC, USASFC all look to see how "we" can "up" the numbers for the force. Wait isn't the force smaller, but why is that?? DEMS maybe.
Maybe we should add:
Dereliction of Duty : The Eyewitness Account of How Bill Clinton Compromised America's National Security, by Robert Patterson to the recommended reading list.
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Finally consider this...only 10-15% of the US population is eligible to enter the Army...that number is dropped to 1/10th of 1% of those 10-15% who might be eligible to enter SFAS. Historically, SFAS only selects 43%....my math is not perfect but added up, only those select few will ever be true SF soldiers and that is why in my humble opinion "THEY" will never be able to double our numbers.
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This is so true, you just can't make SF or "special people". Just like new initiatives, why do we need more special people when we have so many other units out there. I was never good at Math, I guess others weren't either.
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03-29-2006, 22:16
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Dumbasses
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03-30-2006, 13:22
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Dick Nixon had a secret plan to get us out of Vietnam...
Now the Dems have a plan to double SF?
Why don't they just annonce they have a secret plan to get us out of Iraq?
I won't put a link here...but Google "democratic plan to get out iraq" and see what comes up...more rhetoric... 
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03-30-2006, 16:42
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Doubling the Force
The Democrat Solution might be a combination of different things:
Mandate elimination of restrictive selection criteria (water down the standards to graduate more);
Mandate opening SOCOM combat positions to all genders and orientations;
Mandate USSOCOM accept and fund Marine MEU-SOCs.
See -- easy!
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03-30-2006, 17:18
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Mandate opening SOCOM combat positions to all genders and orientations;
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I guess that means democrats could essentially join.
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