1 Shot, 1000 Yards, Off Hand, 9 Witnesses

Ape Man · 06-02-2013, 09:26

Barrett M107, 1 Shot, 1000 Yards, Off Hand, 9 Witnesses

I know luck was most likely a factor, but it still impressed me. Maybe I would not have been quite as impressed if he used a different gun.

frostfire · 06-02-2013, 10:23

so....master Rick, how many times have you made similar shot few times in a row?

yeah, I want to see it done several times in a row

Sohei · 06-02-2013, 11:50

Regardless of the number of times he has made that shot....

That one was simply -- outstanding.

BryanK · 06-02-2013, 11:57

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Originally Posted by Ape Man

I know luck was most likely a factor, but it still impressed me. Maybe I would not have been quite as impressed if he used a different gun.

I was impressed when the guy who taught me long range shooting rang the 1060 yd plate from the sitting position (no sling, no sticks, no use of the bipod) twice (he only fired 2 rounds) with his .308

longrange1947 · 06-02-2013, 14:20

Really not that difficult. I have done it quite a few times and my avatar is me doing it at Hawthorne. In the mid 80s used the Haskins 50 as a demo gun and fired it standing offhand as well. Have a goodly number of people that have witnessed it as well.

Dragbag036 · 06-02-2013, 16:28

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Originally Posted by longrange1947

Really not that difficult. I have done it quite a few times and my avatar is me doing it at Hawthorne. In the mid 80s used the Haskins 50 as a demo gun and fired it standing offhand as well. Have a goodly number of people that have witnessed it as well.

As you would say my friend " that's a trunk slammer". Rick I just picked up a new bolt gun myself.

BryanK · 06-02-2013, 19:58

I've always been curious. The "hold hard guys" part of your sig line LR, to me sounds like you are to stiffen the hold. Is this for wind only? The way I was taught, you try to hold the same time every time semi-loosely (naturally) to ensure consistency of the shot. This is just me, but every time I've shot long range, I've been most successful holding kind of loose.

I'm not trying to sharp shoot, just curious.

Papa Zero Three · 06-02-2013, 20:27

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Originally Posted by longrange1947

Really not that difficult. I have done it quite a few times and my avatar is me doing it at Hawthorne. In the mid 80s used the Haskins 50 as a demo gun and fired it standing offhand as well. Have a goodly number of people that have witnessed it as well.

I'm glad you said this as I didn't find it as impressive as others do. If anything, holding that much weight is a testament to good technique. For a 50 cal, that distance isn't a big deal IMO, most of the guys on my team did this on targets much farther during a PMT.

TOMAHAWK9521 · 06-02-2013, 20:36

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Originally Posted by BryanK

I've always been curious. The "hold hard guys" part of your sig line LR, to me sounds like you are to stiffen the hold. Is this for wind only? The way I was taught, you try to hold the same time every time semi-loosely (naturally) to ensure consistency of the shot. This is just me, but every time I've shot long range, I've been most successful holding kind of loose.

I'm not trying to sharp shoot, just curious.

I was taught that way as well....Until I picked up a .338 Lapua. Sure, I may be a wuss here, but I've learned to adopt a tighter hold with the larger/hotter cartridges. Assuming that that semi-loose posture with a .338 Lapua or 300 RUM and it feels reminiscent of a mule kicking you in the eye/face. Bad positioning behind the gun will also get you. I dropped an elk up on the side of a mountain from a bad position and it earned me an Indian beauty mark in my forehead for my stupidity.

PSM · 06-02-2013, 21:26

I like Cleckner's videos on the NSSF site. I'm a non-LD shooter, but now have the time and place to work on it. He simplified the DOPE, angle, and wind info so that it wasn't so overwhelming for a beginner. I don't have the gun for it yet but I'm eager to get one and "reach out".

Pat

longrange1947 · 06-03-2013, 10:32

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Originally Posted by BryanK

I've always been curious. The "hold hard guys" part of your sig line LR, to me sounds like you are to stiffen the hold. Is this for wind only? The way I was taught, you try to hold the same time every time semi-loosely (naturally) to ensure consistency of the shot. This is just me, but every time I've shot long range, I've been most successful holding kind of loose.

I'm not trying to sharp shoot, just curious.

Hold Hard is a quote from a Marine CPT when they were out numbered. As the Japanese advanced on them at range, he told his troops to Hold Hard, (Steady) or it would be a long night.

On holding the weapon, the weapon needs to be held firmly into the shoulder and the weight of the head rested on the stock of the weapon. This reduces recoil movement of the weapon and allows your body to absorb that recoil. It allows the shooter to sense his shot placement and permits a rapid follow on shot. Many advocate pushing hard into the tripod to "load the tripod", I am not an advocate of that as it can only be accomplished in some shooting situations. That means you must change your technique as the situation changes. I prefer to keep my bipod neutral and maintain good head weight on the stock. This can be accomplished in all situations. It also allows for recoil reduction and shot follow on shot placement.

In standing off hand, it is important to bring the weapon to your head and set your jaw line on the top of the stock. Maintain good steady pressure into your should wiht your shooting hand but using only the middle and ring finger, not the little finger. This sets up a steadier and repeatable position while "reaching" for he stock means as your neck gets tired you will change your body position. One thing about shooting is that you must be consistent.

My thoughts on the subject.

BryanK · 06-03-2013, 18:51

Thanks for the clarification. I have yet to shoot long range while standing, but if a situation dictates a standing shot, I appreciate the input. Now, if I can just get my grubby mitts on one of those fancy schmancy 338's...

longrange1947 · 06-03-2013, 19:21

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Originally Posted by BryanK

Thanks for the clarification. I have yet to shoot long range while standing, but if a situation dictates a standing shot, I appreciate the input. Now, if I can just get my grubby mitts on one of those fancy schmancy 338's...

Cost per round will take your breath away!

frostfire · 06-03-2013, 21:48

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Originally Posted by longrange1947

Hold Hard is a quote from a Marine CPT when they were out numbered. As the Japanese advanced on them at range, he told his troops to Hold Hard, (Steady) or it would be a long night.

On holding the weapon, the weapon needs to be held firmly into the shoulder and the weight of the head rested on the stock of the weapon. This reduces recoil movement of the weapon and allows your body to absorb that recoil. It allows the shooter to sense his shot placement and permits a rapid follow on shot. Many advocate pushing hard into the tripod to "load the tripod", I am not an advocate of that as it can only be accomplished in some shooting situations. That means you must change your technique as the situation changes. I prefer to keep my bipod neutral and maintain good head weight on the stock. This can be accomplished in all situations. It also allows for recoil reduction and shot follow on shot placement.

In standing off hand, it is important to bring the weapon to your head and set your jaw line on the top of the stock. Maintain good steady pressure into your should wiht your shooting hand but using only the middle and ring finger, not the little finger. This sets up a steadier and repeatable position while "reaching" for he stock means as your neck gets tired you will change your body position. One thing about shooting is that you must be consistent.

My thoughts on the subject.

call me crazy but I tried the middle and ring finger trick on pistol some time ago. It works! It allows easier straight squeeze to the rear and quicker recovery. A good test is simple. Hold the pistol with death grip all over, then suddenly relax the ring finger. You'd see the front sight jump up a little. I'd venture to guess that as the grip gets tired this can occur, resulting in "unexplained" thrown shots. Now keep the death grip only on middle and ring, them suddenly relax the two. You don't see much movement at all. Using the bore as the main axis, it makes sense that force being applied furthest from the axis creates torgue.

That offhand tips is dead solid. I remember the few "looks" I got during vendor day at the range when I rang offhand the 400m half silhouette with my OBR and IIRC, the 16" KAC rifle used by the 2011 winner. I still can't make tiny hole without loading the bipod with semi platform though. It's doable with bolt.....but with semi I keep getting the bipod hop

Ramirez · 06-04-2013, 05:35

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Originally Posted by Papa Zero Three

I'm glad you said this as I didn't find it as impressive as others do. If anything, holding that much weight is a testament to good technique. For a 50 cal, that distance isn't a big deal IMO, most of the guys on my team did this on targets much farther during a PMT.

1000 yards IMO is not the feat here. It's with a 2 MOA rifle and standing as it's a 38lb rifle. While it's not the most amazing shot in the world, I think it's a well done video, and even the shooter said. "it's just goofing around" Chase Stroud for Team GAP did a standing 1000 yard shot the other day on a smaller target w/ a smaller caliber. I think 6mm Creedmoor. I'll see if I can find the video.

My LR rifle is 17lbs, and I practice shooting it off hand at 400 yards at some steel tanks. It's not easy, but I'm practicing more and more at it.

I guess what I'm saying is, it's a cool video, and the shooter was not trying to be a showoff IMO.

disclaimer

non military guy here, I just shoot long range a lot and compete in matches.